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Got first boat...what do I need? 2024


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Ok, so I know this has been brought up all the time, but in this modern era, tech changes every day.  So I got my first boat and want to put a fish finder on it.  Going with a minnkota riptide 80lb for trolling motor.  Which fish finder is the best?  I know there's probably a ton of opinions, but is there one or two that separate themselves?  I am looking to try to keep it under $1000 and I'm just doing a console unit right now...I'll add a deck unit later.  I'm thinking the Humminbird 9" just because I have heard they are leading in the way of sidescan.  But I definitely know nothing about Lowrance...so I need to do some research!  Could you share your thoughts? Thanks!! 


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 

The best thing to do is educate yourself on what Down imaging, side imaging, create your own maps, CHIRP, 2d sonar, and so much more can do and if and how they fit your needs. Then educate yourself on Lowrance, Humminbird, and don’t forget Garmin. The more YOU learn the better of a decision you’ll make and the happier you’ll be. I could spend your $1000 in a second and you won’t have a clue what you have. So educate yourself so you can spend your money. 

 

I hope this helps. 


fishing user avatarTennessee Boy reply : 

I’ll add to what 12lb said.  If there are HD Lakemaster maps available for the lakes you fish,  that’s a big plus for going with Humminbird.


fishing user avatarWRB reply : 

My suggestion is use your $1,000 budget for 2 units. You fish 100% of the time from the deck and drive your boat from the console. Mapmaking is IMO a waste of time and money, GPS with Navoinics chip is all you need. Side imaging increases the cost and until you become effiencent at reading a sonar unit may also be a waste of money unless you plan to bass fish competitively.

Tom


fishing user avatarSmokinal reply : 

Spend some time in Cabelas/BPS playing with their units.  Go through the menus, change settings etc...and see which template you like better.


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Thanks. Yes, I'm trying to do my research as quick as possible.  I purchased the boat and it's 5 hours away from me.  The closest dealer to me is 1.5 hours...so I'm going to try to have the dealer go ahead and install everything now.  So that's why I am in a little bit of a rush trying to decide which to go with.  I just got off the phone with the service manager and he said that the boat is designed to have a Garmin 741xs which is 7".  There's not a lot of extra room on the console but I think a 9" Lowrance Elite would work since it's only 10.5" wide (the garmin is 9" wide).  Humminbird 9" is probably out since it's 13" wide.  From everything I have read in reviews, ppl recommend going with as big of screen as you can get.  So at this point it looks like I should go with the Lowrance.  What do you think?  I know they are all pretty good...I'm not tournament fishing here...just fun weekend stuff. I would love the humminbird, especially since all the lakes I fish are available on lakemaster, but with them not being touchscreen, they all are quite a bit larger. Thoughts? 


fishing user avatarredmexican5081 reply : 

If that Garmin 741xs is included in your base price and includes a transducer, I wouldn't change it out.  If you need to outfit the boat by adding a graph, any make/model can be done if you are open to mounting using a RAM mount 


fishing user avatarTennessee Boy reply : 

Everyone says get the biggest screen possible but I don't think it's that simple.  High screen resolution gives you more detail.  Large screen size makes it easier to view from a distance.   At the console you are setting close to the screen so go with the highest screen resolution which may or may not be the one with the largest screen.

 


fishing user avatarScott F reply : 
  On 3/7/2019 at 5:39 AM, Tennessee Boy said:

Everyone says get the biggest screen possible but I don't think it's that simple.  High screen resolution gives you more detail.  Large screen size makes it easier to view from a distance.   At the console you are setting close to the screen so go with the highest screen resolution which may or may not be the one with the largest screen.

 

If you only have one view open, a big screen isn’t that critical. Very often, you will have multiple views open at the same time. Maps, down view, and side view for example. On a small screen, all three views are too small to see. On a bigger screen, all three can be easily read at the same time.


fishing user avatarTennessee Boy reply : 
  On 3/7/2019 at 6:45 AM, Scott F said:

If you only have one view open, a big screen isn’t that critical. Very often, you will have multiple views open at the same time. Maps, down view, and side view for example. On a small screen, all three views are too small to see. On a bigger screen, all three can be easily read at the same time.

Take the Humminbird SOLIX series.  There is a 10in, 12in, and 15in model.  All three models have the same 1280 x 800 resolution so you see exactly the same thing on all three units,  the pixels are just bigger on the bigger units.  I have the 10 inch version on my console and I'm usually 25 inches from it when I'm using it.  It's easy to see everything on the screen at that distance.  The pixels are much bigger than your typical cell phone.  My iPhone is 1792 x 828 on a 6.1 inch screen.  If you have poor vision that's a different story.


fishing user avatarWRB reply : 

Don't have the console unit built in or several reasons, the most important is you can't remove it when trailing your boat, can't adjust the light reflection or unit position. As suggested a RAM mount allows quick removal and adjustments and you are not limited to size.

Lowrance Split Shot US/CAN NAV+ , get 2 units.

Tom


fishing user avatarDelaware_lip_ripper reply : 

Online deal only at Cabela's...lowerance elite 7ti for 500$ (comes with total scan transducer) buy 2. Problem solved lol


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

is 7 big enough to see side scan real well?

 


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/8/2019 at 6:10 AM, clemsondds said:

is 7 big enough to see side scan real well?

 

Yes


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Robalo dealer really wants to install Garmin 7"...anyone have any experience with garmin?  Do they have sidescan and equivalent to humminbird and lowrance? I don't have a store near me that has all of these.  thanks


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/8/2019 at 6:14 AM, clemsondds said:

Robalo dealer really wants to install Garmin 7"...anyone have any experience with garmin?  Do they have sidescan and equivalent to humminbird and lowrance? I don't have a store near me that has all of these.  thanks

I have a Garmin and the side scan is comparable to both Humminbird and Lowrance. They are very user friendly. 


fishing user avatarDelaware_lip_ripper reply : 

Why are they wanting to install the Garmin so bad? Are you paying for no matter what brand? Pushing the Garmin cause they are authorized dealer or something? The elite 7ti is a hell of a deal for 500$. 


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Honestly I'm not real sure.  Seems like all boat sales near/on coast seem much bigger on Garmin and Simrad.  anyone have experience with the latest garmin 7" (I assume garmin striker plus 7sv) and the Lowrance 7 elite?  Would love to hear comparisons. Thanks again


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

If you buy two of that lowrance special deal, I assume it would come with two transducers. Can you use two?  Sorry for my ignorance 


fishing user avatarLonnieP reply : 

The Lowrance elites can be linked together so only one transducer is needed. The elite 7ti that's on sale at bass pro for 499 comes with Navionics mapping. The Garmin striker doesn't have mapping.


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/8/2019 at 9:51 PM, LonnieP said:

The Lowrance elites can be linked together so only one transducer is needed. The elite 7ti that's on sale at bass pro for 499 comes with Navionics mapping. The Garmin striker doesn't have mapping.

The Garmin Striker Plus units have QuickDraw mapping though.


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

What is that?


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/9/2019 at 1:15 AM, clemsondds said:

What is that?

QuickDraw? 

 

It’s where you create your own contour maps. You can map over 1 million acres of lakes. The contour maps created are 1’ contours.


fishing user avatarTennessee Boy reply : 
  On 3/8/2019 at 9:42 PM, clemsondds said:

If you buy two of that lowrance special deal, I assume it would come with two transducers. Can you use two?  Sorry for my ignorance 

Yes you can used two.  You will want to get a different one to mount to your trolling motor.  Lowrance might allow you to swap for free.  I know Humminbird does.  


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 

The transducers on the Striker and Echomap units are universal so you can mount them on the transom or trolling motor. No swapping and waiting on shipping them. ????

  On 3/9/2019 at 2:51 AM, Tennessee Boy said:

Yes you can used two.  You will want to get a different one to mount to your trolling motor.  Lowrance might allow you to swap for free.  I know Humminbird does.  

We’ll see who the better salesman is, how about that? ???? j/k

 

you really can’t go wrong with either brand these days.


fishing user avatarTennessee Boy reply : 
  On 3/9/2019 at 2:59 AM, 12poundbass said:

We’ll see who the better salesman is, how about that? ???? j/k

Ha Ha.  Well the transducer for my Humminbird was built in to my trolling motor so there........but it will also work with other brand fish finders so never mind.   ☹️


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

So what should I do?  What's the best 7" fishfinder out there?  money isn't really a concern.  Thanks again! 


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/10/2019 at 5:50 AM, clemsondds said:

So what should I do?  What's the best 7" fishfinder out there?  money isn't really a concern.  Thanks again! 

Ford vs Chevy 


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Can you explain a little more about transducers?  I know nothing about them. You mentioned something about using the trolling motor.  And then someone mentioned using two...any of that helpful and does it differ using lowrance over garmin? thanks


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/10/2019 at 5:54 AM, clemsondds said:

Can you explain a little more about transducers?  I know nothing about them. You mentioned something about using the trolling motor.  And then someone mentioned using two...any of that helpful and does it differ using lowrance over garmin? thanks

I don’t know enough about Lowrance so I won’t comment on them. The transducer that comes with the Garmin Echomap units can go on the transom or the trolling motor. With Humminbird you’d have to send the transducer in and swap it out for a trolling motor transducer. 


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Ok thanks. What’s the difference between the Garmin striker plus and the Garmin echomap? Plus, anyone know the reason why Garmin has on their website, the striker 7sv  as discontinued? 


fishing user avatarredmexican5081 reply : 

Echomap has maps, striker does not but you can make your own using quickdraw 


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/11/2019 at 12:24 PM, clemsondds said:

Ok thanks. What’s the difference between the Garmin striker plus and the Garmin echomap? Plus, anyone know the reason why Garmin has on their website, the striker 7sv  as discontinued? 

The Garmin Striker 7sv is discontinued because of the Striker Plus units replaced them. 

 

The he difference between the Striker and the Echomap units are the Echomap units have pre loaded maps. The Striker units you have to create your own maps using QuickDraw. 


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

 Do you feel as though the maps are worth the added cost? Are they helpful? 


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

 Geez I’m so frustrated ha. Went to field and stream today and messed with the various options. There were two workers in that area. Both were pretty knowledgeable. The older man recommended hummingbird or Garmin , and the younger guy recommended lowrance. The older guy says he prefers Garmin but said the humminbird helix 7 gen 3n that just came out should be the best 7” out.  He said with the fact that I use the minkota I-pilot, the humminbird was a no-brained. But then the younger guy went on about how the lowrance touchscreen was so much more helpful. He did agree though that the humminbird clarity was really good. Any other thoughts? 


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/12/2019 at 7:49 AM, clemsondds said:

 Geez I’m so frustrated ha. Went to field and stream today and messed with the various options. There were two workers in that area. Both were pretty knowledgeable. The older man recommended hummingbird or Garmin , and the younger guy recommended lowrance. The older guy says he prefers Garmin but said the humminbird helix 7 gen 3n that just came out should be the best 7” out.  He said with the fact that I use the minkota I-pilot, the humminbird was a no-brained. But then the younger guy went on about how the lowrance touchscreen was so much more helpful. He did agree though that the humminbird clarity was really good. Any other thoughts? 

Read, read, and read some more. Learn about the options. Go to the store and play with them some more. I recommend it again because like you saw first hand everyone you ask will give you a different answer. The more you learn the more comfortable and less confused you’ll be.


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Yeh that would be ideal...but I don't have time and that store doesn't have any of the gen 3 humminbirds. The dealer where I bought the boat from will have the boat for just another week, so I'd like to have it installed so I don't have to take it somewhere to have it done. 

So if I could get your best recommendation.  Again, it's not the end of the world. I'll eventually get a unit for the deck that's larger.  So this doesn't have to be perfect...just wanted to try to find the unit that shows where the fish are the best. Thanks again


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/12/2019 at 10:14 AM, clemsondds said:

Yeh that would be ideal...but I don't have time and that store doesn't have any of the gen 3 humminbirds. The dealer where I bought the boat from will have the boat for just another week, so I'd like to have it installed so I don't have to take it somewhere to have it done. 

So if I could get your best recommendation.  Again, it's not the end of the world. I'll eventually get a unit for the deck that's larger.  So this doesn't have to be perfect...just wanted to try to find the unit that shows where the fish are the best. Thanks again

You’ll be happy with the Garmin or the Humminbird. You really can’t go wrong. Another important aspect that we haven’t talked about is customer service (if needed) I’ve heard nothing but good things about both companies. 


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

If using minkota riptide, is there a brand gps/fishfinder that works better with it?  Just trying to figure out differences between the three. Thanks


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/12/2019 at 9:52 PM, clemsondds said:

If using minkota riptide, is there a brand gps/fishfinder that works better with it?  Just trying to figure out differences between the three. Thanks

I believe there are adapters available so you can hook any unit to the proper Minnkota TM but that’s beyond my pay grade to say for sure.


fishing user avatarTennessee Boy reply : 
  On 3/12/2019 at 9:52 PM, clemsondds said:

If using minkota riptide, is there a brand gps/fishfinder that works better with it?  Just trying to figure out differences between the three. Thanks

Riptide is not a specific trolling motor.  It designates their saltwater trolling motor line.  Do you know which specific Riptide you are getting?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 
  On 3/12/2019 at 10:38 PM, Tennessee Boy said:

Riptide is not a specific trolling motor.  It designates their saltwater trolling motor line.  Do you know which specific Riptide you are getting?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh I didn't know that would matter for fishfinders.  Looking at the Riptide I-Pilot 80lb prob. Maybe the Terrova? Seen several advertisements for Humminbird/Minnkota One-Boat network...just didn't know if there was an advantage to going with humminbird since I'll have Minnkota tm. Thanks


fishing user avatarTennessee Boy reply : 

There are two ways that you can connect a trolling motor to a fish finder.  You can connect the FF to a transducer thats built into the trolling motor.  I checked the Minn Kota web site and I didn't see any Riptide models that have built in transducers.  You can also connect most higher end Humminbird FFs to some Minn Kota TM using i-Pilot Link.  Do not confuse i-Pilot with i-Pilot link.  The trolling motor must be i-Pilot Link to link with a Humminbird FF.  I-Pilot link gives you a number of navigation feature like being able to select a waypoint on the fishing finder for the trolling motor to navigate to. i-Pilot (non link) gives you most of these features but you must use a hand held remote instead of a fish finder.

 


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

oh ok.  now if i have the transducer on the trolling motor, it will only work when it's in the water.  So how do you tell your depth when it's out of the water?  Do most people have a high speed transducer put on the back?  


fishing user avatarTennessee Boy reply : 
  On 3/13/2019 at 2:17 AM, clemsondds said:

oh ok.  now if i have the transducer on the trolling motor, it will only work when it's in the water.  So how do you tell your depth when it's out of the water?  Do most people have a high speed transducer put on the back?  

Your console unit will be connected to a transducer on the transom.  You will use your bow unit when fishing and it will be connected to the transducer on the trolling motor.  Sonar will not work when the transducer is out of the water but the GPS will.   If the two units are networked together,  then you can view sonar data from either on both units.  I don't think a high speed transducer is critical. I don't have one.  I loose depth readings when I reach about 25MPH.  I use GPS and maps to make sure I'm running in safe water and slow down if the water is questionable.


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

But I was planning on just purchasing one unit right now...so there's no way to have one console unit connected to both trolling motor transducer and a transom mounted transducer?  I spoke with humminbird twice...one lady told me I could and the other lady told me I would burn up the motor if the trolling motor wasn't in the water since they would be working together.  


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Ok what if I just do the basics and go with Helix 7 CHIRP MSI GPS G3N with the regular transom mount?  Am I really missing out on that much not having the transducer mounted to the trolling motor?  Is that something I can add later when I add another unit on the bow?  Thanks!! 


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/13/2019 at 4:58 AM, clemsondds said:

Ok what if I just do the basics and go with Helix 7 CHIRP MSI GPS G3N with the regular transom mount?  Am I really missing out on that much not having the transducer mounted to the trolling motor?  Is that something I can add later when I add another unit on the bow?  Thanks!! 

How big are the lakes you fish?


fishing user avatarWRB reply : 

Side scan trolling motor mounted TD doesn't work well, transom mounted and networked with the front unit works plus you can have a front down scan TD independant of the Console unit.

Self mapping features arecaxwaste of time if your lake has 1' Navonics maps chip.

If you fish a lake that doesn't have a map chip available self mapping may be of some harp.

I't always a good idea to have 2 units the same make and technology support, both Lowrance and Hummigbird have good customer service availble anywhere in the US.

Tom


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/13/2019 at 6:38 AM, WRB said:

Side scan trolling motor mounted TD doesn't work well,

I completely disagree 


fishing user avatarjbsoonerfan reply : 

Get the Garmin, add Panoptix Livescan later.


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 
  On 3/13/2019 at 6:04 AM, 12poundbass said:

How big are the lakes you fish?

Pretty small 


fishing user avatarjbsoonerfan reply : 
  On 3/7/2019 at 7:22 AM, Tennessee Boy said:

Take the Humminbird SOLIX series.  There is a 10in, 12in, and 15in model.  All three models have the same 1280 x 800 resolution so you see exactly the same thing on all three units,  the pixels are just bigger on the bigger units.  I have the 10 inch version on my console and I'm usually 25 inches from it when I'm using it.  It's easy to see everything on the screen at that distance.  The pixels are much bigger than your typical cell phone.  My iPhone is 1792 x 828 on a 6.1 inch screen.  If you have poor vision that's a different story.

Do you understand fractions? When the entire screen is larger, each section is also larger (thus easier to see).

 

That's like saying a 50" TV is the same as a 75" TV because the resolution is the same.


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Anyone have a helix 7 g3n? I read that the mega imaging transducer doesn’t read depth at speed. So you need a separate DI transducer if you want  depth while at speed.  Can anyone confirm this?  I hate to spend that much money and not be able to tell what depth I’m at as I’m going up the river/lake. 

Thabks! 


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/13/2019 at 8:48 AM, clemsondds said:

Pretty small 

That’s pretty vague. My small lakes are 50 acres, a lot of the southern guys would call that a mud hole. My big lake around me is 450 the southern guys would call that a pond. 

 

If they around either size size I explained I’d put it up front. My reason for this suggestion is the lakes are small enough the you can find a ‘spot’ on the map and get pretty close to it without having the fish finder at the console then drop the TM and get on top of it once you get close. 

  On 3/13/2019 at 11:22 AM, jbsoonerfan said:

Do you understand fractions? When the entire screen is larger, each section is also larger (thus easier to see).

 

That's like saying a 50" TV is the same as a 75" TV because the resolution is the same.

Wrong. The way a former member on here who is a beta tester for Humminbird the pixel size stays the same. As you get a bigger screen those pixels get stretched (my terminology not his) thus making the picture less crisp the bigger screen you get. I’m not familiar with the Solix units but with the Helix units the 10” Helix gave you a better image (more crisp) than a 12” Helix.


fishing user avatarTennessee Boy reply : 
  On 3/13/2019 at 11:22 AM, jbsoonerfan said:

Do you understand fractions? When the entire screen is larger, each section is also larger (thus easier to see).

Yes I do understand fractions.  When I view down imaging at full screen on my solix I'm looking at 1280 x 800 of detail  of what's in the water column.  When I view down imaging on one quarter of the screen I'm looking at 640 x 400 of detail of what's in the water column.  That's considerably less detail than I would get from a Helix 5.  Same math on a Solix 15 as a Solix 10.

  On 3/13/2019 at 11:22 AM, jbsoonerfan said:

That's like saying a 50" TV is the same as a 75" TV because the resolution is the same.

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying.  Putting a 75" TV is a small apartment where you are sitting 5 ft from the screen is a waste of money.  Once you get close enough to differentiate between the pixels on a screen,  making them bigger just makes the image blocky.  


fishing user avatarjbsoonerfan reply : 

I understand that no matter the size of the screen they all have the same amount of pixels. But when comparing a 7 to say a 12 you can't tell me the 7 is easier to see, especially when viewing more than one screen. If you are only looking at one screen then I can understand, but if he wants one unit to do it all, then I think he should opt for the biggest one he can afford. It would be like sitting 15 ft from your TV and watching a 32" or a 50" and trying to read the scores at the bottom as they scroll across. Maybe more defined on the 32" but easier to see on the 50". 


fishing user avatarTennessee Boy reply : 

The key thing to understand when buying a fish finder is that higher resolution gives you more detail to help you interpret what you’re seeing on the screen.  Larger screen size makes it easier to see the screen at a distance.  When comparing different models and brands,  they do not all have the same screen resolution.  Where you’re putting the unit and to some extent the size of the boat should be considered.

 

If all fish finders were free,  I’d have two Solix 10s at the console and a Solix 12 and 15 on the bow of my boat.


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Anyone have a helix 7 g3n? I read that the mega imaging transducer doesn’t read depth at speed. So you need a separate DI transducer if you want  depth while at speed.  Can anyone confirm this?  I hate to spend that much money and not be able to tell what depth I’m at as I’m going up the river/lake. 


fishing user avatarTennessee Boy reply : 
  On 3/13/2019 at 10:22 PM, clemsondds said:

Anyone have a helix 7 g3n? I read that the mega imaging transducer doesn’t read depth at speed. So you need a separate DI transducer if you want  depth while at speed.  Can anyone confirm this?  I hate to spend that much money and not be able to tell what depth I’m at as I’m going up the river/lake. 

Speed will be an issue with any depth finder.   Some claim to work at speeds up to 70 MPH.  I’ve never gone that fast so I can’t confirm.  My boat came with a low end Lowrance Hook with a skimmer transducer design for higher speeds.  I used it once while I was doing the break in.  It worked up to about 35MPH.  If your concern is safety,  you should never rely on a depth finder to determine if you’re in safe water.  It will not tell you how deep the water is in front of you which is all that matters.  The depth can go from 40ft to 6in in a second.   


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 
  On 3/14/2019 at 12:26 AM, Tennessee Boy said:

Speed will be an issue with any depth finder.   Some claim to work at speeds up to 70 MPH.  I’ve never gone that fast so I can’t confirm.  My boat came with a low end Lowrance Hook with a skimmer transducer design for higher speeds.  I used it once while I was doing the break in.  It worked up to about 35MPH.  If your concern is safety,  you should never rely on a depth finder to determine if you’re in safe water.  It will not tell you how deep the water is in front of you which is all that matters.  The depth can go from 40ft to 6in in a second.   

thanks


fishing user avatarWRB reply : 
  On 3/13/2019 at 6:43 AM, 12poundbass said:

I completely disagree 

What side scanning TD do you have mounted on the TM that doesn't rotate with the TM motor?

Tom


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/14/2019 at 3:58 AM, WRB said:

What side scanning TD do you have mounted on the TM that doesn't rotate with the TM motor?

Tom

None. Why? 

What issue do you have with is side scan transducer rotating?


fishing user avatarWRB reply : 
  On 3/14/2019 at 5:23 AM, 12poundbass said:

None. Why? 

What issue do you have with is side scan transducer rotating?

Every time you move the TM to steer where you are fishing the side scan image turns with it. Not a problem going straight with a transom mounted TM because the boat doesn't move quickly like a TM does. Try looking though binoculars and turn your head from side to side, that is what the side image looks like when TM mounted, can't see anything clearly. Slow spready movements work, quick adjustments like everyone does with TM while fishing in the wind doesn't work worth a darn.

SI is a great tool used properly.

Tom


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/14/2019 at 5:38 AM, WRB said:

Every time you move the TM to steer where you are fishing the side scan image turns with it. Not a problem going straight with a transom mounted TM because the boat doesn't move quickly like a TM does. Try looking though binoculars and turn your head from side to side, that is what the side image looks like when TM mounted, can't see anything clearly. Slow spready movements work, quick adjustments like everyone does with TM while fishing in the wind doesn't work worth a darn.

SI is a great tool used properly.

Tom

I agree with you 100% on what you’re saying. A constantly moving TM or windy days it’s not going to work. On calm days it’s an extra tool. For an extra $100-200 I’d say it’s worth it. 


fishing user avatarWRB reply : 
  On 3/14/2019 at 6:16 AM, 12poundbass said:

I agree with you 100% on what you’re saying. A constantly moving TM or windy days it’s not going to work. On calm days it’s an extra tool. For an extra $100-200 I’d say it’s worth it. 

Net worked from the transom SI or 360 scanning TD you have the front TM downscan and map for real time input and delayed look at the SI or scanning, everything is history that is displayed anyway. The big SI TD's are a problem on the TM hitting things like rocks, stumps and collecting weeds.

Some boaters stick mount the bigger TD's independant from the TM  and that works.

Peace,

Tom


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Thanks guys. Decided to go with the Helix 7 G3N.  Has the mega imaging and seems to be the best 7" out right now. Hopefully it will last at least 3 weeks before being obsolete ha. I did get a lot of info on it.  Can't do the trolling motor transducer if you want depth readings while not using trolling motor obviously.  So had to go with transom mount transducer that comes with the unit.  That transducer doesn't read about 10mph, so had to get a second 2D transducer to go on the transom as well, to give depth while at speed. Got the unit for $699. Y cable for $40, 2nd transducer for $90 and install is 5 hour =$550.  That seem right? 


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Anyone know if it takes about 5 hours to install unit and two transducers?  Or is it too tough to tell without knowing the details of the boat? Thanks


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/16/2019 at 2:23 AM, clemsondds said:

Anyone know if it takes about 5 hours to install unit and two transducers?  Or is it too tough to tell without knowing the details of the boat? Thanks

When I was at a dealer talking about a set up I wanted he said about half a day, so what you’ve been told is on par. I imagine every boat is different though and I bet if it takes them 3 hours you’ll still pay for their lunch break. ????


fishing user avatarJ Francho reply : 
  On 3/14/2019 at 5:23 AM, 12poundbass said:

None. Why? 

What issue do you have with is side scan transducer rotating?

You can actually use this as a tool to see under a dock.  Plenty of guys scanning a dock, by steadily swinging the TD head sitting still next to a dock.  No, it isn't the clearest picture, but you can see of there's a fish or a brushpile there.


fishing user avatar12poundbass reply : 
  On 3/16/2019 at 2:42 AM, J Francho said:

You can actually use this as a tool to see under a dock.  Plenty of guys scanning a dock, by steadily swinging the TD head sitting still next to a dock.  No, it isn't the clearest picture, but you can see of there's a fish or a brushpile there.

Oh I know. It was a rhetorical question. Tom has always been vocal about SI being a waste up front, so I asked that to get the debate going.


fishing user avatarclemsondds reply : 

Ok thanks everyone! How about transporting boat and exterior...what all do I need?  Should I buy straps to ratchet down the boat when traveling?  Any other tips/things to buy that I will need?  Thanks again! 


fishing user avatarjaimeastin reply : 
  On 3/16/2019 at 2:23 AM, clemsondds said:

Anyone know if it takes about 5 hours to install unit and two transducers?  Or is it too tough to tell without knowing the details of the boat? Thanks

Why not install the finder yourself?  Save the is stall money for another finder for the bow.  

 

You will get to know your boat, if there is anything wrong, you will know where to fix it, and you get to have two finders.  

 

Lots of info to install it, we can help, and it comes with instructions. 




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