Garmin 93sv, Lowrance 9 TI total scan 2024
JETSWU87 reply :
I'm going to be purchasing one of these units here soon (maybe as soon as Friday if I can snag the BF special at BPS)
I have an Motorguide XI5 on the boat already which has me interested in the Lowrance, however I'm not sure how much I would use them together.
I played with both units at BPS for a short while and the touch screen on the Lowrance is cool, but on the water rocking around with a wet hand? No telling.
I've read on a few forums the horror of dealing with Lowrance customer service if there's a problem with a unit, anyone care to share a recent story?
Then you have the Garmin with the CV transducer drama, anyone have one of these without the GT transducer? (CV Transducer doesn't have a true down scan element)
Currently all I have is a Garmin 53dv(non gps) on the boat, and we'll other than water temp and depth I find it pretty useless on the water's I fish which are all 25ft or less.
Garmin 93CV Pros
Pricing ($600)
Ease of Quickdraw (none of my lakes are HD on their mapping)
Cons:
Questionable downview
more button pressing to navigate.
Lowrance 9 TI pros
Links with my Xi5
True total scan
Touch screen? Maybe a pro
9 TI Cons
Price ($400 more not on sale)
questionable customer support
opinion of owners that have experience with these units?
Thanks in advanced!
NHBull reply :
I have owned both Garmin and lowrance and we’re in the same situation upgrading as you and I went with 93’s........in 2 days they will be even cheaper than what I paid
JETSWU87 reply :
On 11/21/2017 at 9:53 AM, NHBull said:I have owned both Garmin and lowrance and we’re in the same situation upgrading as you and I went with 93’s........in 2 days they will be even cheaper than what I paid
Thanks for your reply, have you had the boat on the water with the 93cv? Impressions?
What Lowrance unit did you have before?
12poundbass reply :
On 11/21/2017 at 10:09 PM, JETSWU87 said:Thanks for your reply, have you had the boat on the water with the 93cv? Impressions?
What Lowrance unit did you have before?
I've played with the 73sv Echomap unit in store and I thinks it's a great unit. Your lake may not be HD but you could use Quickdraw to fix that.
JETSWU87 reply :
On 11/21/2017 at 10:58 PM, 12poundbass said:I've played with the 73sv Echomap unit in store and I thinks it's a great unit. Your lake may not be HD but you could use Quickdraw to fix that.
The quickdraw is one of the main features drawing me towards the garmin. I have 6 lakes within 30minutes of me here that don't have quality mapping. Looking at the videos of the garmin in use the quickdraw looks ridiculously simple.
Scarborough817 reply :
On 11/21/2017 at 11:03 PM, JETSWU87 said:The quickdraw is one of the main features drawing me towards the garmin. I have 6 lakes within 30minutes of me here that don't have quality mapping. Looking at the videos of the garmin in use the quickdraw looks ridiculously simple.
this is pushing me towards garmin as well (striker plus 5cv) also seeing that they bought navionics you may be able to upload the maps so they can add them into the navionics card as well.
12poundbass reply :
On 11/22/2017 at 5:14 AM, Scarborough817 said:this is pushing me towards garmin as well (striker plus 5cv) also seeing that they bought navionics you may be able to upload the maps so they can add them into the navionics card as well.
No SV?
Scarborough817 reply :
On 11/22/2017 at 5:49 AM, 12poundbass said:No SV?
up here its a little pricy if i want the sv i have to go with the 7sv and that will run me at least $650cad
12poundbass reply :
On 11/22/2017 at 5:51 AM, Scarborough817 said:up here its a little pricy if i want the sv i have to go with the 7sv and that will run me at least $650cad
Holy crap!!!
Scarborough817 reply :
On 11/22/2017 at 7:14 AM, 12poundbass said:Holy crap!!!
So I'm going with the 5 instead which is only 400
JETSWU87 reply :
I did some significant reading last night about the CV52 vs the GT52 transducer drama...holy cow, so much to digest.
http://www.***/showthread.php?t=827658
After that's all said and done it has me gun shy on the garmin.
12poundbass reply :
On 11/22/2017 at 10:36 PM, JETSWU87 said:I did some significant reading last night about the CV52 vs the GT52 transducer drama...holy cow, so much to digest.
http://www.***/showthread.php?t=827658
After that's all said and done it has me gun shy on the garmin.
Don't let that drama get to you. Honestly at first I was too but then I started reading more and researching more and I saw through all the B.S. and the butt hurt people. I'm guessing by your link and the fact that it's blocked that you probably read the same thing I did on the same forum?
JETSWU87 reply :
It's not the guy who rants and raves on every single forum...
That was the *** thread where they did some side by side testing.
What setup do you have? What do you think of it? Any screen shots?
12poundbass reply :
On 11/22/2017 at 11:20 PM, JETSWU87 said:It's not the guy who rants and raves on every single forum...
That was the *** thread where they did some side by side testing.
What setup do you have? What do you think of it? Any screen shots?
I don't currently have any. I've just been doing my research on "down seeing" sonar and "side seeing" sonar. In general terms that's what I call them because each brand has their own name.
I will say I was dead set on Humminbird at first. Then I found the Striker units and loved the price. Then the Echomap units were found and I'm sold.
Each unit has their positive and negative. I read about side by side comparisons as well. I watched a video Lowrance put out (maybe you did too) where they did a side by side with a Garmin unit. Basically IMO it was a smear campaign. If seen the same where the Garmin unit picks up things the Lowrance unit doesn't. The same can probably be said for a Humminbird and Raymarine unit.
The whole lawsuit deal is irrelevant to me. I don't care about what was done, some people who rant and rave on the forum we're both referring to have nothing better to do. Besides I believe it was dismissed and all that came from it was the name change from "downvu" to "clearvu".
Like I said before no matter what brand you buy you're going to get a great unit. Each brand has something the other doesn't. For me Garmin is the route I'm going to go. It's in my budget, I getting mapping where I'd have to cough up I've $100 if I got another unit. I only have to spend $20 to link two units together to share waypoints. Again over $100 with another unit. So like a lot of us it comes down to money. As far as the imaging goes, @slonezp set me strait, I don't need a pretty picture. I can see rocks, wood and others. I don't need to see the fish turd on the third largest rock.
Don't read too much into what this guy says or that. You can't go wrong. The best thing to do is keep reading and keep an opened mind. The more informed you are the more comfortable you'll be with your decision.
Sorry it's so long.
12poundbass reply :
May I ask what was it that you read that's making you rethink things a little?
JETSWU87 reply :
I'll PM you as the it doesn't seem this board allows you to link to other sites. haha forum drama?!
Comfortably Numb reply :
If Di is important to you than get a HB Helix. Garmin with either CV or GT transducers is pretty poor.
JETSWU87 reply :
Well a lot has changed since this post.
To update:
I purchased the 93SV at basspro on black Friday, after going out 3 times with it I'm not happy with the image quality on the unit.
Pros:
2d sonar is nice
quickdraw mapping for free is cool
built in mapping (but my lakes lake any real detail)
Easy install
Menu system is simple
Price
Cons:
SI quality is ok, but looks not near as quality as the competition
DI quality leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion
Not a ton of adjustment available as the menu system is so simple
No favorite buttons for quick switching of combos
On the fly adjustments to sonar not as simple as comp.
Needless to say I removed the unit from my boat last night and am returning it to basspro. I will be purchasing a Hummingbird Helix 10 SI (HDSI) that is on clearance right now for as low as $825. Still doesn't link up with my xi5 but the image quality on these units looks far and above anything else.
Below are a few screen shots of the SI/DI of the same tree in the water.
Picture below is the same brush...and than another example of a SI shot with a school of fish.
Comfortably Numb reply :
No body believed me LOL.
The Helix should be great
12poundbass reply :
On 12/13/2017 at 6:19 PM, Comfortably Numb said:No body believed me LOL.
The Helix should be great
He's getting the HDSI transducer.....it should be better, it's apples and oranges.
bugbee77 reply :
The 'bird is an awesome unit, but for anyone reading this considering an Echomap they can produce better images than what was posted above.
simek3ru reply :
I was pretty set on the Garmin Striker Plus 9sv, but after reading this, I am a bit skeptical. This unit comes with the CV52HW-TM Transducer that you guys say is pretty poor.
Should I have reservations? Or are there plenty of people happy with the Garmin units?
12poundbass reply :
On 1/2/2018 at 6:36 AM, simek3ru said:I was pretty set on the Garmin Striker Plus 9sv, but after reading this, I am a bit skeptical. This unit comes with the CV52HW-TM Transducer that you guys say is pretty poor.
Should I have reservations? Or are there plenty of people happy with the Garmin units?
Go to a store that has them and check them out. Only you can make the final decision.
NHBull reply :
On 1/2/2018 at 6:36 AM, simek3ru said:I was pretty set on the Garmin Striker Plus 9sv, but after reading this, I am a bit skeptical. This unit comes with the CV52HW-TM Transducer that you guys say is pretty poor.
Should I have reservations? Or are there plenty of people happy with the Garmin units?
Love mine and the price was right!
Comfortably Numb reply :
As I said if Di and Si are important to you, dont get a Garmin.
On 12/28/2017 at 8:20 AM, bugbee77 said:The 'bird is an awesome unit, but for anyone reading this considering an Echomap they can produce better images than what was posted above.
Show me some. I had the top of the line 7608 and GT50 transducer and my images were identical to the ones shown. Grainy and blurry.
12poundbass reply :
On 1/6/2018 at 4:52 PM, Comfortably Numb said:As I said if Di and Si are important to you, dont get a Garmin.
Show me some. I had the top of the line 7608 and GT50 transducer and my images were identical to the ones shown. Grainy and blurry.
Pulled these off another forum. Pretty good images.
CroakHunter reply :
The one thing I'm dreading about having my own boat one day is learning to see what this stuff is. Looks like abstract art
12poundbass reply :
On 1/6/2018 at 10:47 PM, CroakHunter said:The one thing I'm dreading about having my own boat one day is learning to see what this stuff is. Looks like abstract art
Lol I'm still learning too. The top one appears to be a bridge. The other two appear to be a bunch of rocks on the bottom.
@Comfortably Numb you see the top image is from a 7610?
Comfortably Numb reply :
On 1/6/2018 at 11:10 PM, 12poundbass said:Lol I'm still learning too. The top one appears to be a bridge. The other two appear to be a bunch of rocks on the bottom.
@Comfortably Numb you see the top image is from a 7610?
Most units show bridges good as they are so hard. Brush and pics are more difficult and what most fisherman are interested in
Here is a screen shot from a Bill Dance video for Garmin. Impressive LOL. This is more typical of the performance I got. Just tryin to help someone to know what to expect.
12poundbass reply :
On 1/7/2018 at 9:46 AM, Comfortably Numb said:
Most units show bridges good as they are so hard. Brush and pics are more difficult and what most fisherman are interested in
Here is a screen shot from a Bill Dance video for Garmin. Impressive LOL. This is more typical of the performance I got. Just tryin to help someone to know what to expect.
What are you expecting? )Lowrance is the same. Humminbird is the same. You upgrade to the HDSI transducer on the Humminbird you get better quality images, add MEGA imaging you're comparing apples and oranges even the Garmin and Lowrance guys will admit to that! Give it time! What are you expecting?
bugbee77 reply :
I have screenshots I can pull off my other computer in the next few days from my echomap. But I'll say two things: 1) Mega Imaging or a paper graph doesn't matter if your looking in the wrong place altogether. If you have a decent idea of what cover fish are holding on, MEGA is the best but the SI on the Garmin is enough to find what you need 2) The traditional sonar on the Garmin is my favorite part by far. It was ok on my old lowrance so I didn't use it too much, but now that I have real solid traditional on the Garmin I probably use that more than the SI.
Edit: Adding two more points. 3) Improper install, wiring, and set up and great way to make a unit disappointing. 4) Lets at least agree that the 'bird and the Garmin are both better than the Lowrance Elites. Their SI can't read past 30ft. I have shots of my Garmin reading 150ft off each side.
bugbee77 reply :
Okay here are some screenshots that I like. They aren't the best that have come up on the unit but are pretty solid. Also remember the detail of these on a 9" screen looks better than blown up on a 15" monitor.
Edit: Hold on, it won't let me upload them. Anyone have a favorite image sharer for here? Is Imgur allowed?
Edit Again: Check this album for some decent shots. https://imgur.com/a/R8d1U
Comfortably Numb reply :
https://postimages.org/
JETSWU87 reply :
I posted a lot more screen shots on the "other" board for review along with my install, I moved the transducer around but after comparing to other shots people posted I felt I was within reason of expectations. The 93sv for $599 is capable unit, the 2d was very sharp and the GPS was fast. Everything else was just OK at best in my opinion.
I did end up getting the Helix 10 SI, I did install it a few weeks ago but the weather around here has been pretty poor for the last 5 weeks so I haven't been on the water with it.
With any luck I'll get out next month and post some comparison shots, I will say the menu system and navigation between them is far better just sitting on the boat. The SI/DI Enhance is going to make on the fly adjustments easier with the bird. Also the bird basemaps have my lakes but lake any real detail like the garmin maps...Nothing new, same with navioncis. I have been watching some youtube videos to get an idea of basic settings and what to adjust, benefit of the birds is there's a ton of that info readily available.
I think with the Helix 10 SI @ $825 it's a lot of unit for the $. It's also apart of their "Select" group which get's you an extra year of warranty and some customer service perks.
12poundbass reply :
On 1/18/2018 at 12:09 PM, JETSWU87 said:I posted a lot more screen shots on the "other" board for review along with my install, I moved the transducer around but after comparing to other shots people posted I felt I was within reason of expectations. The 93sv for $599 is capable unit, the 2d was very sharp and the GPS was fast. Everything else was just OK at best in my opinion.
I did end up getting the Helix 10 SI, I did install it a few weeks ago but the weather around here has been pretty poor for the last 5 weeks so I haven't been on the water with it.
With any luck I'll get out next month and post some comparison shots, I will say the menu system and navigation between them is far better just sitting on the boat. The SI/DI Enhance is going to make on the fly adjustments easier with the bird. Also the bird basemaps have my lakes but lake any real detail like the garmin maps...Nothing new, same with navioncis. I have been watching some youtube videos to get an idea of basic settings and what to adjust, benefit of the birds is there's a ton of that info readily available.
I think with the Helix 10 SI @ $825 it's a lot of unit for the $. It's also apart of their "Select" group which get's you an extra year of warranty and some customer service perks.
Just to be fair it needs to be said that the Helix 10 SI comes with the HDSI transducer so you're comparing apples and oranges. The HDSI transducer produces better and more crisp images than a Garmin or Lowrance transducer.
bugbee77 reply :
On 1/18/2018 at 12:09 PM, JETSWU87 said:I posted a lot more screen shots on the "other" board for review along with my install, I moved the transducer around but after comparing to other shots people posted I felt I was within reason of expectations. The 93sv for $599 is capable unit, the 2d was very sharp and the GPS was fast. Everything else was just OK at best in my opinion.
I did end up getting the Helix 10 SI, I did install it a few weeks ago but the weather around here has been pretty poor for the last 5 weeks so I haven't been on the water with it.
With any luck I'll get out next month and post some comparison shots, I will say the menu system and navigation between them is far better just sitting on the boat. The SI/DI Enhance is going to make on the fly adjustments easier with the bird. Also the bird basemaps have my lakes but lake any real detail like the garmin maps...Nothing new, same with navioncis. I have been watching some youtube videos to get an idea of basic settings and what to adjust, benefit of the birds is there's a ton of that info readily available.
I think with the Helix 10 SI @ $825 it's a lot of unit for the $. It's also apart of their "Select" group which get's you an extra year of warranty and some customer service perks.
So are you saying that you got the $1700 Helix 10 with mega for $825?
MittenMouth reply :
On 1/19/2018 at 12:30 AM, bugbee77 said:So are you saying that you got the $1700 Helix 10 with mega for $825?
The one he is talking about does not have mega. It’s going EOL so anyone left with it is in the $800-$900 range for the most part.
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