The future of our reservoirs. 2024
Bucky205 reply :
I would guess there will be enough aluminum, plastics, and other junk thrown in the water today to easily build at least one airplane, and probably a few boats as well. Everyone here loves the water and we regularly discuss improving the quality of our sport, and increasing the quality of our catches. It’s no secret that one of the biggest problems is pollution. Both recreational and industrial trash is killing our sport. It may not happen in our lifetime but it will happen if it continues. Dive down 15 feet in you favorite fishing spot and take a look, you will see plastics, aluminum cans, fishing line, and an assortment of everything humans use and throw away. SI, (LOL, except my Helix 7 ), shows everything from whole boats, to cars, to drums of who-knows what. If you’re really brave take a water sample and submit it for analysis. My primary lake Logan Martin is so trashed that it has fish advisories advising not to eat pretty much everything, and several times a year to avoid swimming. Seeing sores on fish here seems to become more common year over year. I would bet most everyone here is an advocate of improving our sport and the quality of our water, others not so much. What can we do to stop the decline of the bass habitat and save our sport?
Happy 4th everyone, be safe.
WRB reply :
One of the advantages living in SoCal is we get very little rain annually and our lakes were built for water storage. Our small lakes are deep canyon/highland reserviors that see draw downs annually leaving about 30' average depth changes that expose 50' to over 100' of bare shoreline lake bottom that gets cleaned up each year.
The bad thing is during drought years our lakes can see over 50' to 150' draw downs leaving our lakes at less than 30-40% capacity until a wet cycle occurs filling the lakes.
The changing pool levels keep the lakes bottoms clean of unnatural debris. Maybe something can be learned from draw downs!
Tom
Catt reply :
We good 
Bucky205 reply :
On 7/5/2017 at 9:27 AM, Catt said:We good
The dead zone created by the Mississippi outflow is enough to be a serious impact. We use to catch fish right off the coast in LA. You could pull the boat up to the Mars platform and load up on tuna. BP didn't help any either.
Catt reply :
On 7/5/2017 at 11:31 PM, Bucky205 said:The dead zone created by the Mississippi outflow is enough to be a serious impact. We use to catch fish right off the coast in LA. You could pull the boat up to the Mars platform and load up on tuna. BP didn't help any either.
Ya need to do your research
BP had zero impact!
Got plenty buddies on the rigs who catch Yellowfin off the rigs.
From the Sabine River (where I'm at) to Grand Isle to Port Fourchon to Mobile is as good fishing as anytime.
Got buddies that guide Grand Isle & Port Fourchon; they are catching World Class Speckled Trout.
Got buddies White/Blue Marlin, Tuna, Wahoo, & Cobia off the coast of Venice.
As per Marlin Magazine "One of the most overlooked fisheries in the United States, the offshore action off Venice Louisiana is unmatched in the Gulf of Mexico. The nutrient-rich waters of the mighty Mississippi create an enormous food chain that ends with some of the largest collections of apex predators like wahoo, tuna, dolphin and marlin, anywhere along the whole Gulf." June 12, 2017
Where ya said ya got your info?
Kyhokie reply :
On 7/6/2017 at 10:55 AM, Catt said:
Ya need to do your research
BP had zero impact!
Got plenty buddies on the rigs who catch Yellowfin off the rigs.
From the Sabine River (where I'm at) to Grand Isle to Port Fourchon to Mobile is as good fishing as anytime.
Got buddies that guide Grand Isle & Port Fourchon; they are catching World Class Speckled Trout.
Got buddies White/Blue Marlin, Tuna, Wahoo, & Cobia off the coast of Venice.
As per Marlin Magazine "One of the most overlooked fisheries in the United States, the offshore action off Venice Louisiana is unmatched in the Gulf of Mexico. The nutrient-rich waters of the mighty Mississippi create an enormous food chain that ends with some of the largest collections of apex predators like wahoo, tuna, dolphin and marlin, anywhere along the whole Gulf." June 12, 2017
Where ya said ya got your info?
Catt, I normally defer to your expertise, but saying that spilling almost 5 million barrels of oil directly into the gulf had ZERO impact is not only foolish, it's wrong.
Koz reply :
I've always said that a good plague will solve most of the world's immediate problems...
Seriously - the world population has more than tripled in my lifetime. More people means demand for more resources and that means a lot more trash and waste. Modern medicine has had a lot of unintended consequences.
When I take my son fishing we always do a walk around and cleanup before we leave, even if that means picking up the trash that ignorant people left behind.
Bucky205 reply :
On 7/6/2017 at 10:55 AM, Catt said:
Ya need to do your research
BP had zero impact!
Got plenty buddies on the rigs who catch Yellowfin off the rigs.
From the Sabine River (where I'm at) to Grand Isle to Port Fourchon to Mobile is as good fishing as anytime.
Got buddies that guide Grand Isle & Port Fourchon; they are catching World Class Speckled Trout.
Got buddies White/Blue Marlin, Tuna, Wahoo, & Cobia off the coast of Venice.
As per Marlin Magazine "One of the most overlooked fisheries in the United States, the offshore action off Venice Louisiana is unmatched in the Gulf of Mexico. The nutrient-rich waters of the mighty Mississippi create an enormous food chain that ends with some of the largest collections of apex predators like wahoo, tuna, dolphin and marlin, anywhere along the whole Gulf."
Where ya said ya got your info?
LOL, I'm pretty comfortable in the validity of my research. I agree the fishing out past the 100 fathom curve is still really good. You can still catch Yellowfin off MARS if you can get your bait past the Blackfin. But if you don't think were polluting the hell out of our lakes and rivers you might want to check your research. The pollution pouring down the Mississippi is creating a huge dead zone. Heres somes link for the rest, since BP did zero damage, some of those captains need to return those big checks. The state Louisianna claims it had a 174 million dollar impact on fishing. Marlin Magazine may be better informed than NOAA, but I somehow doubt it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/06/21/scientists-predict-a-gulf-of-mexico-dead-zone-the-size-of-new-jersey-this-summer/?utm_term=.f8b35edc0a17
http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2017/02/toxic_bp_spill_oil_component_s.html
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/pollution.html
http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2016/09/bp_oil_may_have_hurt_bluefin_t.html
Catt reply :
Without getting into a political debate your researchers are simply try to get more money out of BP oil plan & simple!
It was the same thing with Hurricane Katrina, you never hear about Rita or Ike.. Why?
Ever ask yourself why Deepwater Horizon was where it was located?
Your quoting the social liberal engineers who are pushing Global Warming/Climate Change
"You never let a serious crisis go to waste"
Buy into whatever ya want
Bucky205 reply :
On 7/6/2017 at 12:16 PM, Catt said:Without getting into a political debate your researchers are simply try to get more money out of BP oil plan & simple!
It was the same thing with Hurricane Katrina, you never hear about Rita or Ike.. Why?
Ever ask yourself why Deepwater Horizon was where it was located?
Your quoting the social liberal engineers who are pushing Global Warming/Climate Change
"You never let a serious crisis go to waste"
Buy into whatever ya want
Catt I respect you opinion, and always enjoy reading your post. The post was never about BP or the spill. I drove a boat out of Mobile for the clean up, and know Mobile bay is polluted beyond belief. Most of it is human trash and has little to do with BP. I was just encouraging everyone to do what they can to help keep our waters clean and to protect our reservoirs for future generations.
GrumpyOlPhartte reply :
I guess I can't wrap my brain around man-caused and natural disasters; I have to think at a micro-level. According to @Glenn in the introduction to the General Forums, there are thousands of members in BR. Now it seems to me that if each of us was to pick up a couple of beer cans, empty fishhook wrappers, or wads of cast-off line each time we went out, the individual effort might appear minimal, but the collective effort would be pretty impressive. That's a boatload of garbage removed from our waterways. I like the idea of sticking a small garbage bag in my pocket for collecting junk. I realize I can't "save the world" but I can surely make my local environment better. I don't know, but I'd rather focus on where I can make a difference than rely on politicians, corporations, or Ma Nature to make a difference. All are out of my control. (Dang! Gotta get me a soapbox for my kayak instead of a milk crate!!)
NHBull reply :
@Bucky205 I can't speak to waters outside of New England, but can say that we have never been better and awareness has never been higher. Truth be told, environmental publications are saying the use of senkos and other plastics are doing more to hurt fish populations than trash.....but that's another topic
scaleface reply :
A few years back I tube floated a popular river with clear water here in Missouri. I took a snorkel to look for valuables . It was like floating over a dump .
GrumpyOlPhartte reply :
@NHBull: The simple solution is ... quit catchin' so danged many bass! Those beasts shred a senko! LOL! I'll never be accused of that type of pollution given the number of soft plastics I toss into the garbage at the end of a typical day of fishing (or just save for the next trip.) Hey! We less-accomplished fishermen are actually unwitting conservationists!
ClackerBuzz reply :
On 7/6/2017 at 12:16 PM, Catt said:
Your quoting the social liberal engineers who are pushing Global Warming/Climate Change
oh lawdy...
Catt reply :
Follow the money!
Choporoz reply :
I agree pretty with both, @NHBull and @GrumpyOlPhartte. I believe that most of our waters are in some of the best shape of my lifetime. Not that anyone should relax, nor that awareness isn't a good thing. Just that, I'm not particularly alarmed right at the moment. And, I have always...and will continue to always....leave a place better than I find it. I carry out more trash than I take in. And I will 'educate' others as I see a need.
WRB reply :
The world class bass fishing in the San Juaqine delta also known as the California delta future is threatened, not from pollution but from water greed. Govenor Jerry Brown approved the periphery canal tunnels that will triple the water being transport south primarily for agriculture use. Under Senate bill S 1894 non native predator fish like LMB, SMB, stripe bass populations are scheduled for removal from delta waterways to protect native fish like salmon smolt, young steelhead trout and the delta smelt. This means the end of sport fishing in the delta within a decade if sporting groups can't change this.
Tom
12poundbass reply :
On 7/6/2017 at 11:29 PM, WRB said:The world class bass fishing in the San Juaqine delta also known as the California delta future is threatened, not from pollution but from water greed. Govenor Jerry Brown approved the periphery canal tunnels that will triple the water being transport south primarily for agriculture use. Under Senate bill S 1894 non native predator fish like LMB, SMB, stripe bass populations are scheduled for removal from delta waterways to protect native fish like salmon smolt, young steelhead trout and the delta smelt. This means the end of sport fishing in the delta within a decade if sporting groups can't change this.
Tom
If I may quote Mr. Catt "follow the money"
Catt reply :
Washington Post I aint even gonna commit on!
NOLA.com thinks our new Governor is gonna tax us to prosperity!
NOAA...ROTFLMFAO
You can believe someone sitting behind a computer running Algorithms!
Personal I'm gonna believe the people who actually have boots on the ground!
BassWhole! reply :
On 7/7/2017 at 12:20 AM, Catt said:You can believe someone sitting behind a computer running Algorithms!
Math and science? I'll stick to the Magic 8 Ball...
Bucky205 reply :
Ok I’m very bored, severe thunderstorms outside, and electronics at Humminbird getting checked out. Give me a break, this is going on everywhere, the US is better than most countries but getting worse. July 4th 2016 there were swim advisories for most of the Florida panhandle, and a lot of Louisianna. I’m not sure I understand how discouraging people from the coast makes money for those states. It doesn’t matter which coast, or reservoir your on, you’re seeing trash get worse. Ignore it and I guarantee it will damage our sport. Swimming and fishing in fecal bacteria is not for me, I’m not real fond of PCB’s and mercury in my fishing water either. My whole family is ROFLTAO about “boots on the ground experience”, your right I have very little. I grew up in south Alabama, with friends and family running shrimp boats, step-mother died in a boating accident when I was 16, overcome by carbon monoxide from a faulty Onan generator. I spent 20 years Navy diving off almost every country in the world. I have worked as a captain for TowBoat US, BP, and private clients; I have fished and guided both salt and fresh. Many of my friends carry everything from a 6-pack to a 100 ton-masters license, many are guides, and share the same opinion on pollution getting worse. Eight years living on a 42' Island Packet sailboat cruising the Caribbean. I’ve worked for Westmarine giving technical advice to mariners. I lived in Hawaii for ten years where both my kids were born and we fished a 37' Trojan. I did Alaska for two years where the salmon fishing was great, but I didn't like watching eagles eat of out of the garbage containers left open by careless people. I never fished for crab, but I like the TV show. I lived on the base in the Philippines for 3 years walking into the city across a waterway we had a nickname for it was so polluted. I served in Florida for 6 years where I experienced some of the best bass fishing of my life at Rodman Reservoir, and the St John’s River. My ex-wife managed Crystal Cove Marina that BASS used for years fishing Palatka, FL. I have met many of the BASS pros from the 90’s, and had drinks or dinner with several. I knew KVD when he was starting out, and he was incredible then. I have worked BASS tournaments on several different occasions as a favor to Ray Scott. I spent a day towing and checking on people on the water, after Lady BASS was hit by a tornado in Palatka, FL. Ron Pierce, founder of BassCat I met years ago, we had drinks and talked about airplanes, he’s always said come out and they would build whatever I wanted. I just can’t afford a BassCat, especially being retired. In the past I have owned new Skeeters, and Rangers. Currently I’m driving a very used 2002 ProCraft 185 PRO that I’m still using for local tournaments and winning money. I tease my friends that if they can’t beat an old blind guy they may want to consider saving their entry fee. I have dove and spear fished most waters of the world. I have been in the water with sharks more times than I care to count. bulls, tigers, and hammerheads make me nervous, whites and oceanic whitetips scare the hell out of me. Two trips over the dirty ice of the artic seeing the trash there. I have crewed and captained everything from kayaks to a 68' Hatteras. My boots haven't been on the ground but they've spent some time on boat decks and wet. I would be willing to bet I have more time asleep on a boat than most boaters have total water time. The Gulf of Mexico has always been part of my home waters, so I follow it closely, and care about it deeply. My FB page is listed here in my profile, there are over 400 people there that will tell you everything stated here is true, and when it comes to being in, on, or under the water I've spent a little time. I’m not a tree hugger by any stretch, my 56 years of life have just always involved water for work and pleasure. I started this thread to encourage those that love fishing, to encourage others not to sink their trash in the water over the 4th, and to be safe. I didn’t want to get into a boating/fishing experience debate, but I’m more than qualified to go there.
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/06/beach_advisories_along_gulf_co.html
scaleface reply :
" I spent 20 years Navy diving off almost every country in the world. I have worked as a captain for TowBoat US, BP, and private clients; I have fished and guided both salt and fresh. Many of my friends carry everything from a 6-pack to a 100 ton-masters license, many are guides, and share the same opinion on pollution getting worse. Eight years living on a 42' Island Packet sailboat cruising the Caribbean. I’ve worked for Westmarine giving technical advice to mariners. I lived in Hawaii for ten years where both my kids were born and we fished a 37' Trojan. I did Alaska for two years where the salmon fishing was great, but I didn't like watching eagles eat of out of the garbage containers left open by careless people. I never fished for crab, but I like the TV show. I lived on the base in the Philippines for 3 years walking into the city across a waterway we had a nickname for it was so polluted. I served in Florida for 6 years where I experienced some of the best bass fishing of my life at Rodman Reservoir, and the St John’s River. "
Thats forty-eight years .
Bucky205 reply :
On 7/7/2017 at 7:31 AM, scaleface said:
" I spent 20 years Navy diving off almost every country in the world. I have worked as a captain for TowBoat US, BP, and private clients; I have fished and guided both salt and fresh. Many of my friends carry everything from a 6-pack to a 100 ton-masters license, many are guides, and share the same opinion on pollution getting worse. Eight years living on a 42' Island Packet sailboat cruising the Caribbean. I’ve worked for Westmarine giving technical advice to mariners. I lived in Hawaii for ten years where both my kids were born and we fished a 37' Trojan. I did Alaska for two years where the salmon fishing was great, but I didn't like watching eagles eat of out of the garbage containers left open by careless people. I never fished for crab, but I like the TV show. I lived on the base in the Philippines for 3 years walking into the city across a waterway we had a nickname for it was so polluted. I served in Florida for 6 years where I experienced some of the best bass fishing of my life at Rodman Reservoir, and the St John’s River. "
Thats forty-eight years .
LOL, Some of us can do more than one thing at once, and some of us know the water is getting worse. 20 years Navy with 6 years serving in Florida, 10 in Hawaii 3 in the the Phillipines, and 2 in Alaska. When we wereren't out on detachment we were home in Hawaii. I also drove for Towboat US, and BP while living on the sailboat after I retired from the Navy. I'm fixing to be 57, Sorry I confused you, I'm terrible with essays. I forgot 6 months in Okinawa, and 6 months in Iceland, 6 months in Diego Garcia, and a free trip to Iraq .
.ghoti. reply :
Let's keep the politics out of this, folks.
Catt reply :
On 7/7/2017 at 8:13 AM, .ghoti. said:Let's keep the politics out of this, folks.
Which is why I can not properly answer
MassYak85 reply :
I think regardless of what any of us think is the current trend in the state of our waters, we can all do a part to improve them. Like Tom said with drawdowns, they are a great opportunity and if your local water has them it's a great chance to just pick a stretch of shoreline, take a trashbag and spend a couple hours cleaning it up. Even when we are out fishing it's pretty easy to scoop up a bottle as it floats by, or pull that line out of the tree we're standing next to on the shore.
Bucky205 reply :
New Alabama advisory. It's shellfish and naturally occurring, but still concerning.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/10/health/alabama-vibriosis-bacteria-coastal-waters/index.html
d-camarena reply :
Mr. .ghoti. coming in with clutch
This thread has some good reading. Im not taking sides but if i had to it would be a tough one
fishballer06 reply :
I almost always go out of my way to pick up trash that I see floating in the water whenever I'm out on a boat. Trash bags, pool noodles, buckets, drums... The list goes on and on with the amount of things I've pulled from the lake.
Doelman reply :
The worst thing we can do is politicize keeping our waters clean. I think we're all on the same side here in wanting to have healthy fish to eat, clean water to swim in, and garbage free waters to enjoy. Here in Alabama the health department issues fish consumption warnings every year, there are literally hundreds of waterways in this state with some kind of fish consumption warning, there are several that tell you not to eat ANY kind of fish at all. That's just absurd, we should never consider this acceptable, and it's all because corporations and individuals want to make greater and greater profits at the expense of out waterways.
http://www.alabamapublichealth.gov/tox/assets/2017-al-fish-consumption-advisory-final-july-6-2017.pdf
You don't realize how dirty and polluted our waters are until you spend some time in virtually untouched waters of the world.
As an aside, I have no idea how good the fish was off Venice before, but I had a trip down there this year and the fishing was excellent. I strongly suggest anyone that wants to experience world class blue water fishing to book a trip down there. The river itself was absolutely nasty though, so much trash.
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