Scott Martin vs. Roland Martin 2024
Lucky Craft Man reply :
I really enjoy watching The Scott Martin Challenge and I like Scott Martin as a fisherman. Unfortunately, I can't really say the same about his father (Roland Martin). Why do you think Roland sold out by promoting everything on earth and his son seems down to earth and isn't pimping his "Martin" name out to everything?
bigtimfish reply :
I was really disappointed when Roland did the rocket launcher thing fishing thing.
Fishing Rhino reply :
QuoteI really enjoy watching The Scott Martin Challenge and I like Scott Martin as a fisherman. Unfortunately, I can't really say the same about his father (Roland Martin). Why do you think Roland sold out by promoting everything on earth and his son seems down to earth and isn't pimping his "Martin" name out to everything?
I'll hazard a guess to the "pimping" question.
Could it be that vendors are not asking him to endorse their products as much as they do/did for his dad?
May be wrong, but I doubt Scott has the same opportunities as his dad to "cash in" on or "pimp" his name.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
probably did it for the money , after all he is the greatest tournament fisher EVER ! i know alot of people will say ''but RICK CLUNN is '' but Roland straight dominated fishing during his career , he has so many sponsorship opprotunities that that's all it became , a buisness ......
SirSnookalot reply :
Making $ from product promotion and endorsements is not selling out, it's creating a business.
The hard work is building up their name to put themselves in that position, an accomplishment that many aspire to, I admire him.
bigtimfish reply :
Quoteprobably did it for the money , after all he is the greatest tournament fisher EVER ! i know alot of people will say ''but RICK CLUNN is '' but Roland straight dominated fishing during his career , he has so many sponsorship opprotunities that that's all it became , a buisness ......
It must suck to look at Bass Fishing as business. I always said that if Fishing and golf ever became not fun for me anymore, i would quit. I dont see that EVER happening. I wonder if Roland Martin still finds it fun or a challange.Tiger Woods too,is golf even fun for him anymore?
Big Bait Fishing reply :
i really don't think he bass fishes anymore , he is always talking about red fishing and other saltwater fish . too bad , he was a master at bass fishing and hero to alot of people growing up . even when you watch his shows he seems not that enthuzed when he fishes :-/QuoteQuoteprobably did it for the money , after all he is the greatest tournament fisher EVER ! i know alot of people will say ''but RICK CLUNN is '' but Roland straight dominated fishing during his career , he has so many sponsorship opprotunities that that's all it became , a buisness ......It must suck to look at Bass Fishing as business. I always said that if Fishing and golf ever became not fun for me anymore, i would quit. I dont see that EVER happening. I wonder if Roland Martin still finds it fun or a challange.Tiger Woods too,is golf even fun for him anymore?
SirSnookalot reply :
At least Roland Martin gives the impression of enjoying what he is doing, no doubt than he no longer needs to earn a living.
Tiger Woods on the other hand may not enjoy what he is doing but he is driven and obsessed to be the very best ever. He doesn't the money either.
cart7t reply :
I've heard that Rolands ex made out rather well in the divorce several years ago. I'm sure he's re-padding the bank account.
paragon reply :
I would chug a bottle of 5 hour energy for alot less then Roland but I don't think anyone woud care. Being a small business owner and always being self employed, I have learned that if someone offers money to do something you take it or the offer will go away. Some one else will get paid to shoot a rocket fishing pole, not you.
bass wrangler569 reply :
QuoteI would chug a bottle of 5 hour energy for alot less then Roland but I don't think anyone woud care. Being a small business owner and always being self employed, I have learned that if someone offers money to do something you take it or the offer will go away. Some one else will get paid to shoot a rocket fishing pole, not you.
I'd rather keep my dignity and pride than get paid to sell rocket fishing poles but that's just me...
tyrius. reply :
What's everyone's deal about the Rocket fishing rod? It's a cheap setup designed to allow kids to have fun fishing and to add a little bit of extra to the casting.
He's not promoting it to tourney anglers in search of giants.
And Aaron isn't pimping his name out because his name isn't worth nearly as much.
SirSnookalot reply :
QuoteI would chug a bottle of 5 hour energy for alot less then Roland but I don't think anyone woud care. Being a small business owner and always being self employed, I have learned that if someone offers money to do something you take it or the offer will go away. Some one else will get paid to shoot a rocket fishing pole, not you.
Paragon, seeing you're from Michigan , some trivia. My former doctor Jimmie Bragman in W. Bloomfield is the developer of the 5 hour energy drink.
Grey Wolf reply :
Why do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?
Lucky Craft Man reply :
QuoteWhy do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?
I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money. What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned. If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use. I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole. For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is. That's the only point I am trying to make.
KYntucky Warmouth reply :
QuoteWhat's everyone's deal about the Rocket fishing rod? It's a cheap setup designed to allow kids to have fun fishing and to add a little bit of extra to the casting.He's not promoting it to tourney anglers in search of giants.
And Aaron isn't pimping his name out because his name isn't worth nearly as much.
:-?
Triton21 reply :
QuoteQuoteWhy do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money. What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned. If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use. I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole. For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is. That's the only point I am trying to make.
I think both of their attitudes suck. I met Roland but not Scott. Quote by Scott in ad, "Never give 100% when you can get by with 50". They are Lazy 'want-to-be' and 'has-been'.
Kelley
bigfish88 reply :
QuoteMaking $ from product promotion and endorsements is not selling out, it's creating a business.The hard work is building up their name to put themselves in that position, an accomplishment that many aspire to, I admire him.
nough said snookalot..
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money. What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned. If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use. I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole. For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is. That's the only point I am trying to make.
I think both of their attitudes suck. I met Roland but not Scott. Quote by Scott in ad, "Never give 100% when you can get by with 50". They are Lazy 'want-to-be' and 'has-been'.
Kelley
This describes 98% of the workforce in America .the most important part of goin to work is clocking in and clockin out . 
mase088 reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money. What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned. If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use. I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole. For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is. That's the only point I am trying to make.
I think both of their attitudes suck. I met Roland but not Scott. Quote by Scott in ad, "Never give 100% when you can get by with 50". They are Lazy 'want-to-be' and 'has-been'.
Kelley
I guess that really depends on the situation, in a football game if your team is killing the other team, don't you take your starters out? Or do you leave them in because you want to give 100%?
Somethings just don't require as much effort, and maybe to them fishing is one of those things. Not saying I agree necessarily, just another view.
tyrius. reply :
QuoteQuoteWhat's everyone's deal about the Rocket fishing rod? It's a cheap setup designed to allow kids to have fun fishing and to add a little bit of extra to the casting.He's not promoting it to tourney anglers in search of giants.
And Aaron isn't pimping his name out because his name isn't worth nearly as much.
:-?
Monetarily.
The name Kevin Van Dam on something is worth more in brand recognition than a lesser known angler or a no-name guy like me. That's also why you see a ton of tackle with KVD on it.
bass wrangler569 reply :
QuoteQuoteWhy do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money. What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned. If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use. I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole. For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is. That's the only point I am trying to make.
I agree with you completely. Promoting terrible products that you have no faith in just for the sake of money is unethical.
And yes Bass-Brat, I am begrudging him for trying to make money unethically. Crack dealers are just "trying to earn some money." Is that ethical? What about a used car dealer who tells a client that the car runs great when they know full well that the car barely runs at all? Is that ethical? There are a lot of things people could do while "trying to earn some money" but it doesn't make those things morally right. I would never begrudge somebody who makes money selling something they believe in, but to market something you know is junk just to earn a quick buck is wrong.
CWB reply :
First I think Tyrius has Aaron Martens mixed up with Scott Martin.
Easy mistake.
Second, in Scott's commercial that he says"why get by on 100% effort when you can get by with 50%" he is referring to the effort it takes to stow and deploy the trolling motor he is selling, not his own personal work ethic. He does come off a little arrogant in that commercial but it's probably all part of the schtick.
JMHO. I did meet Roland at a local boat show and he was very gracious. I got a signed picture - for free!
mac reply :
A lot of people take pot shots at Roland but he is in bussiness an making a living like the rest of us.I was at a seminar a few years ago with Basil Bacon and he said that Rick Clunn was an awesome fisherman but in his eyes and a lot of other pros Roland Martin is the greatest fisherman of all time by a long long way. 
Grey Wolf reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money. What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned. If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use. I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole. For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is. That's the only point I am trying to make.
I agree with you completely. Promoting terrible products that you have no faith in just for the sake of money is unethical.
And yes Bass-Brat, I am begrudging him for trying to make money unethically. Crack dealers are just "trying to earn some money." Is that ethical? What about a used car dealer who tells a client that the car runs great when they know full well that the car barely runs at all? Is that ethical? There are a lot of things people could do while "trying to earn some money" but it doesn't make those things morally right. I would never begrudge somebody who makes money selling something they believe in, but to market something you know is junk just to earn a quick buck is wrong.
So you are comparing what he sells to what a crack dealer sells. You are totally out of line. What he hawks will not ruin a life.
bass wrangler569 reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money ?I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make some money. What I am questioning is the ethics behind how that money is earned. If I was famous on any level (which obviously, I'm not), I would only promote or represent products I believe in and use. I can't imagine Roland really believes in or uses the helicopter lure or the Rocket Fishing Pole. For example, I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Stick Rod and I don't really recommend it to people who ask my advice on it, but wouldn't you think I would be a hypocrite if all of a sudden you gave me let's say $20,000 to go around the country proclaiming how great the Ugly Stick is. That's the only point I am trying to make.
I agree with you completely. Promoting terrible products that you have no faith in just for the sake of money is unethical.
And yes Bass-Brat, I am begrudging him for trying to make money unethically. Crack dealers are just "trying to earn some money." Is that ethical? What about a used car dealer who tells a client that the car runs great when they know full well that the car barely runs at all? Is that ethical? There are a lot of things people could do while "trying to earn some money" but it doesn't make those things morally right. I would never begrudge somebody who makes money selling something they believe in, but to market something you know is junk just to earn a quick buck is wrong.
So you are comparing what he sells to what a crack dealer sells. You are totally out of line. What he hawks will not ruin a life.
Out of line? :-? :
Do you honestly think I'm saying that Roland Martin is on the same level as crack dealer, I'm sure you're intelligent enough to know that that's not the point I'm trying to make. I was using that as an example to show that needing to make money isn't an excuse for unethical actions. You said "Why do some of you people begrudge others who want to earn some money?" My point is that there are a lot of people who are just trying to earn money but are going about it in unethical ways. So yeah, Roland Martin using his name to sell junky products isn't nearly as heinous as selling an addictive substance, but that doesn't make what he's doing right. So is your standard of ethics, "well, as long as it doesn't ruin a life it's okay?" I doubt it. There are lot of things that are legal and don't ruin anybody's life that aren't ethical and this is one of them. You don't tell people a product is the greatest thing to grace the earth when you know its complete crap and you wouldn't use it yourself. I'm not saying that everyone who sells a subpar product is unethical, but when you are somebody like Roland Martin, whose incredible fishing career has gained people's trust, you don't abuse that trust by selling products that you know are gimmicks designed to take people's money. There are some things that are more important than just making money, and self-respect is one of them. A nice car, a nice house, and a nice boat wouldn't mean very much to me if I knew I was paying for those things by ripping other people off.
mase088 reply :
It isn't unethical to market a product. Fishing equipment quality is opinion based anyway. You may like Daiwa over Shimano, but that does that mean its unethical to market Shimano reels?
I'm sure no matter what he is selling, someone out there thinks its a great product, including the rocket launcher rod thing. There is probably a kid catching bluegill on it right now.
mase088 reply :
QuoteSo yeah, Roland Martin using his name to sell junky products isn't nearly as heinous as selling an addictive substance, but that doesn't make what he's doing right.
Can you list a few of these "junky" products other than the previously stated rocket launcher rod? I'm sure there is a member on this forum that has used and liked to a certain extent the product. There may be some better, but that doesn't make the product he is selling "junky."
bass wrangler569 reply :
QuoteIt isn't unethical to market a product. Fishing equipment quality is opinion based anyway. You may like Daiwa over Shimano, but that does that mean its unethical to market Shimano reels?I'm sure no matter what he is selling, someone out there thinks its a great product, including the rocket launcher rod thing. There is probably a kid catching bluegill on it right now.
If he believed in his product, as I'm sure the owners of Daiwa or Shimano do, then no, it wouldn't be unethical, but I find it impossible to believe that a fisherman of Roland Martin's caliber actually believes in the "helicopter lure." It's a gimmick and he knows it. Anytime that you have to outright lie to people to sell something than that's immoral IMO.
As far as the rocket launcher rod goes, you're right, I'm sure there are kids who love that thing, and if it brings youth to the sport than that's great! However, some of Roland's other products are just a ploy to sell have-baked lures to the people who trust his name.
djs fishing reply :
I actually fished with Scott for two days.
He is a super nice guy and was a great guide. I enjoyed talking with him and he was very humble. He helped make the trip awesome.
Lazy? You do not get that far being lazy. He got up early for us to get us out there. He put aside items at the store for us. Not lazy at all.
I would have to say Roland Martin has had a way better career. Not sure there is even a comparison.
If you watch Scotts show he plugs a lot of items so he is marketing things as much as anyone.
The ethical lines are to blurry on this type of thing. If you really believe commercials that much that there can be an ethical question. You might want to know they all lie.
Comparing it to crack?
tyrius. reply :
QuoteFirst I think Tyrius has Aaron Martens mixed up with Scott Martin.Easy mistake.
Definately had the first name wrong. Woops.
I have seen Scott's show though and I was talking about Scott Martin, just calling him the wrong name. I like his show a LOT more than his dad's, but Roland's name is much more well known.
S I G M A reply :
QuoteTiger Woods on the other hand may not enjoy what he is doing but he is driven and obsessed to be the very best ever. He doesn't the money either.
I find it hard to believe that Tiger doesn't like playing golf... or anyone not liking playing golf
dave reply :
Quote by Scott in ad, "Never give 100% when you can get by with 50".
Just in case it was missed in the paragraph, this was said during an advertisement for the trolling motor he was using. It takes half the effort raise and lower.
CODbasser reply :
if i could use my name to make money...your darn right i would...as long as i wasnt actually lying about it...im sure when he was promoting the rocket rod thing he wasnt trying to push it as a tournament quality rod or something tournament fisherman would use...and the helicopter lures are not the greatest bait ever, but my gma bought me some when i was little for my bday and i caught alot of fish on them out of the ponds i fished when i was younger...it was sort of like a soft plastic buzz bait....if someone offered you say... i dunno 50,000 to plug a product you didnt like are you telling me you wouldnt take it??haha cant blame the man for making an easy living...im sure he is well aware that tournament fisherman like us probably wont buy something we dont think will work anyway..
grimlin reply :
I've seen first hand what those rocket fishing poles do.They've let down a lot of kids by having so much problems with them.
I think what some of the guys are saying is,why push a crappy product like that using your name.
I understand it's all about business,but at least endorse something that is decent and works right.(This is where i kind of disagree with roland's marketing methods)
I realize it's a kid's toy....but even a snoopy pole will work better.
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