NOT FOR THE WEAK OF MIND PART II 2024

FIN-S-R reply :

Tell me what you think. I have compiled this from a few years of taking very careful notes and reading quite a bit of scientific as well as commercial literature on seasonal behavior. This is my start out guide and my "Im gettin' skunked better change it up guide". The lines are for average values or trend identifiers. The lure selection is based on some constructive criticism I have gathered from this forum and from other sources, as well as those lures that have been part of a winning pattern for the respective season. The pink boxes are areas that tend not to be associated with the general trends observed for a certain season, but continue to produce.

earthworm77, id like to hear your thoughts

SPEEDBEAD. reply :

I have come to the conclusion that I am weak minded

KU_Bassmaster. reply :

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I have come to the conclusion that I am weak minded

Me too. ;D

That looks like something you have put a lot of work into. I think it's awesome to see people put a ton of effort into to something like this. If it works for you, then that's all that really matters. I admire your effort.

Siebert Outdoors reply :

Fin- Have you noticed anything yet out of your report.

Notice the cycles that the fish go through. Its a basic pattern that I have found works year round and is consistent.

Also look at your lures. You can tell your primary lures and also what is fished at a specific time for sucess.

I bet if you did this for a few years you really wouldnt see any change. The graph would be the same year to year.

You can also see the similarities between Winter and Summer locations, also prespawn and post spawn fishing. The fishing technique is basically the same also.

I really like your report. I'm sure you have alot of hrs in it. This shows that the guys fishing shallow after the spawn are for the most part wasting their time in quality fishing.

senile1 reply :

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I have come to the conclusion that I am weak minded

Fin-S-R, I wouldn't consider myself weak-minded but I know I wouldn't go to the trouble of doing what you are doing. I'll look at my logs and make a mental note of what lures have worked best under specific situations but I don't place the data in a spreadsheet. My work requires too many mental gymnastics for me to go home and do this with my hobbies. I agree with KUB on the value of what you are doing. With just a glance you can see what has worked for you and what hasn't. I applaud your effort.

FIN-S-R reply :

Thanks for the kind words guys.

Just to shed a bit more light, the data used to generate this chart is from multiple years, and each year was overlayed atop the previous such that the trend produced would reflect mean data positions, not specifically a year to year succession. In addition to this, accepted movement patterns and common lure applications were considered in picking data qualifiers.

Siebert Outdoors reply :

ahhh, so you have unlocked the key to fish movement and staging areas on seasonal patterns.

Still an excellent chart. I need to start keeping more records like this.

KU_Bassmaster. reply :

Ahhhhhhh, the more I look at it, the more I get it. You have to look at them as two separate charts, but use them together.

Question though ....... Is this data from you only? One specific lake?

FIN-S-R reply :

This data is about 20% from me on 5 lakes with lots of habitat, condition, and species variety in south and central, eastern Oklahoma. I didnt put dates or any real definative parameters on things such that it can be used on a wider range of latitudes. The data is probably 50% from Scientific and commercial literature dealing with seasonal trends and the corresponding commonly successful techniques. The remaining info is from tourney stats from A BUNCH of tournament results where I could confirm winning patterns and the corresponding lures and techniques.

FIN-S-R reply :

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ahhh, so you have unlocked the key to fish movement and staging areas on seasonal patterns.
Still an excellent chart. I need to start keeping more records like this.

I guess I should have mentioned...I dont claim this is anything new, or some whoppin' big "discovery". Its just an organized collection of what we all know, or will find...maybe

guest reply :

Wow man,

I mean like how groovy is that. I mean like with all the pretty colors and wavy lines.

far out

fishbear reply :

I am another one of the weak minds, :o :o :o :o :o

ben23 reply :

I love it, great work!!

I'll be sure to bookmark this!

I know I should be making detailed records, and this gives me a little more motivation!

ben

cart7t reply :

Pick up copies (DVD or VHS) of Larry Nixons seasonal movements of bass.

One of the best guides to get you started in the right place I've ever seen.

dizzy5868 reply :

Great job! I use a similair program that I designed. Mine is for just one body of water though. I have a kept detailed records of air temp, water temp, river height, coloring, flow rate, ect on a daily basis for the past 6 years and enetered it into the spreadsheet to come up with a graph like yours. It works, however there is always the exception to the rule. I try more to see how the change in conditions affect the bass than the seasons. For example, post front, pre front, water rising or falling ect. It all comes down to what works for you. There are alot of commercial programs on the market that do this type of "log". Great job though.

Rob

FIN-S-R reply :

No Critcism? I know this thing is far from perfect, and it is just a starting place for finding. Developing a pattern after finding the fish is more of a personal preference issue, ie..what you LIKE to catch em' on. In NOT FOR THE WEAK OF MIND PART I, I mentioned a technique of finding an average and working both sides of that average..ie, picking a spot and tecnique, then being able to work the more and less main lake ares, as well as the more reaction and less reaction sides of the presentation. Does this communicate that effectively as a tool for finding? Anyhow, thanks again for all the kind words, and if you decide to try this thing out, send some feedback.

guest reply :

Wow thats a lot of work I consider myself sucsessful if my screen doesnt freeze at least once a session

I am KING OF THE WEAK MINDED

SPEEDBEAD. reply :

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Wow thats a lot of work I consider myself sucsessful if my screen doesnt freeze at least once a session
I am KING OF THE WEAK MINDED

You got that wrong my friend....You are the court jester!!!! ;D

Hookem reply :

8-) and I used to do that sort of thing myself. Love spreadsheets.

Then I realized that creating metrics for fishing was too close to work metrics. >

fishinyank reply :

What happened to the good ol' bar graph or pie chart? Man Id love to read that thing if I knew how!

I avoided all things technological while in school so if you could maybe help with how to read it. What do the numbers represent? And whats a position score or rxn? Sorry for the weak mind but but when it comes to anything computer oriented, my mind couldnt hurt a fly!

boondocks reply :

Call me an idiot, but what do the numbers in the gray rectangles represent. :-?

SPEEDBEAD. reply :

Glad I'm not the only one!!!

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

I always fell under the art and lanuages category moreso than the maths. The old right brain ,left brain dominant theory.

For now I'm just gonna keep going to BIG fish water with baits I know work and make a many casts as humanly possible while still making the rent, phone and car payment.

I don't know if there's a graph for that yet but I know there are a few videos.

fishbear reply :

LBH, I am totally with you on this one my man. :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

pipho reply :

great chart!!

Topwater_Popper reply :

Weak minded am I!

FIN-S-R reply :

Back from vacation and lots of time on the lake with a couple of smallies in the fours and a LMB over six...winter crankin' is great. Anyway, there were some questions about the numbers and terms used in the chart, so Ill try to explain it as best I can...remember i made it and i know what it means, so that may make it hard for me to explain it very well, so if I leave somthin' out, just hit me again.

The numbers on the left hand side on the top table in the chart represent arbitrary "ratings" for different areas of a lake. They are "rated" from the most main lake to the least main lake with a score of 1 being the most main lake location. The numbers in the gray boxes in this table are simply the extremes of the most and least main lake positions associated with the corresponding typical seasonal patterns. The line that runs through the chart from left to right going up and down respresents the calculated "middle" spot for that seasonal pattern. At the bottum of the table there is a row titled position score, this is just the middle position previously reffered to. The pink boxes represent the sort of places that dont exaclty fit the accepted pattern, but always hold resident fish, for ex. some fish spawn in main lake pockets...they dont all go to the backs of protected shallow coves off the main lake.

So in short, the first table in the chart is a position prediction tool.

The second table in the chart is for choosing a couple of techniques to try on the locations the first table pointed you to. RXN is just a chemistry abreviation for reaction. The Low and High RXN rows at the bottum give an indication of the mean technique reaction level for slow and fast moving lures that have some history showing they work well in the corresponding season. This is expressed in the title of table 2 "finnesse to reaction gradient". I split it into 2 types of techniques which are divided by the red line. Above the red line are slower plastic type tech.s, and below are hard bait type techs. The numbers in the gray boxes for this table are the corresponding numbers from the first collumn of the table (gradient from least RXN=1-weightless plastic to most RXN=16-vibration bait like vibe or lvr)

Now Im not gonna claim this will make you catch fish 100% of the time, but it will help you eliminate unproductive techniques and ares quicker, so that you can find the fish and figure out what they are doing in a very effective and efficient manner. It worked for me to the tune of an 18lb limit this weekend.

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