Could You Beat Kvd 1 Vs 1 If All He Could Use Is A Cheap Spincaster? 2024
GoCougs14 reply :
To make it more simple, lets day that electroics are not in the situation and that youre both in jon boats.
Kvd only get a super cheap spincaster, and you get to use all of your arsenal of rods.
And no restrictions on baits
00 mod reply :
Simply put, No!!
Jeff
Sam reply :
Nope.
flyfisher reply :
Pros in just about any sport are pros because of their skill. Equipment doesn't come into play as much as you think, especially when going against Joe Schmoes....I don't think i cold beat him but i also wouldn't even try. I see fishing like golf, you aren't competing against the other person as much as you are against the course/fish....
Catt reply :
I would fish against him on Toledo Bend & he could have all his equiptment!
Would I win?
He would know he was in a fight 
scaleface reply :
I couldnt beat mike Tyson in a fight but fishing against the KVD, I'd have a chance .
PondHunter reply :
I doubt many people could. I certainly couldn't! The only limitation the Spincaster would have for most baits is the wrong retrieve ratio, which might not suit some baits very well. He would still study a map and the conditions for the most likely place that Bass would be, and know exactly wait lures and presentations to use. His knowledge of the task at hand would outweigh any disadvantage in equipment.
Big C reply :
I could beat him...if the spin cast combo he was using had no line.
Spankey reply :
I think I could hold my own against him in the Delaware River. When the pros were in Pittsburg back some years ago it was not very impressive. I've never fished the Three River Area but think I could have done better than some there.
I won't limit him to the spincaster.
Derekbass02 reply :
NO
Big C reply :
On 11/3/2015 at 6:43 AM, Spankey said:I think I could hold my own against him in the Delaware River. When the pros were in Pittsburg back some years ago it was not very impressive. I've never fished the Three River Area but think I could have done better than some there.
I won't limit him to the spincaster.
So, you've never fished there, but you think you could "hold your own" against the (arguably) best fishermen to ever pick up a rod? And you would let him use his whole arsenal of like 30+ rods?
scaleface reply :
On 11/3/2015 at 6:43 AM, Spankey said:I think I could hold my own against him in the Delaware River. When the pros were in Pittsburg back some years ago it was not very impressive. I've never fished the Three River Area but think I could have done better than some there.
I won't limit him to the spincaster.
I'd like to take him on at a new lake neither of us has fished before . I wouldnt wager on myself but wouldnt be surprised if I beat him either .
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
He can use anything he wants ..ill choose a farm pond.im pretty sure i can take him their and ill even say i can take him on anything less then 100 acres .with no excess to a boat ramp.He needs a boat and electronics i dont.enough said, i respect him and all the big names but i can take um.
Felix77 reply :
I would just like opportunity regardless of the outcome. 
Bassguytom reply :
Nope. He would put a hurting on me. You are asking if we could beat arguably the best bass fisherman that ever lived. Regardless of equipment and even if he had an arm tied behind his back it is his cumulative knowledge of different waterways and seasonal patterns that make him one of the best ever. That's like asking if your wife wants to stop shopping. It's not happening.
Spankey reply :
I guess that's what I trying to say. I'm NO pro. I'll acknowledge that he is. A great fisherman he is. Clearly more skilled than I. A God he's not. Man vs. man. I would have like been in that Pittsburg Tourney. Getting equal time to do my homework even up.
I'm not saying I'd beat him. I didn't say I would beat him. You are the one saying you couldn't beat him. And I take it you don't think you'd stand a chance. Kripes it's a fish, got to believe you caught 100's. Pull it together and go at it with all your experience and prior success bass fishing.
I would try to approach it in such a way that it doesn't make me a head case. I would imagine the pressure one would put on oneself would be the killer. I would love the opportunity to get beat by KVD.
My sense is that you feel like KVD would crush you. 5/5 vs. 1/5, 5/5 vs. 0/5. Heck give yourself a little credit if you can fish. I'm just a regular ole river rat schlub that can handle myself, but doesn't fish as fast as the pros do. I'd just "never give up" like Ike.
bowhunter63 reply :
No, But it would be cool to fish against him.
Dwight Hottle reply :
I would whip his arse. Then I would wake up from the dream.
The man is a machine when it comes to casting. He could be beat drifting where the bait stays in the water except to reel in a fish. Just a thought.
Senko lover reply :
No, I couldn't. However KVD has professed that he hates fishing slow, so I think it would be pretty painful for him.
Catt reply :
KVD's weakness is Toledo Bend!
5 tournaments held during pre-spawn & spawn
15 days at 5 bass a day that's 75 bass for a total of 177.68 lbs or a 2.37 lb average!
Very amateurish at best!
flyfisher reply :
On 11/3/2015 at 7:16 AM, Maxximus Redneckus said:He can use anything he wants ..ill choose a farm pond.im pretty sure i can take him their and ill even say i can take him on anything less then 100 acres .with no excess to a boat ramp.He needs a boat and electronics i dont.enough said, i respect him and all the big names but i can take um.
are you for real? you honestly think a guy who is a pro can't fish a farm pond? that is where many if not all of the pros cut their fishing teeth so to speak.
MidwestF1sh reply :
Well said flyfisher!
MidwestF1sh reply :
In all honestly givin what the OP said he was stuck with. If it was on my home lake where I don't need a locator to tell me where all the hidden rock piles and brush piles are out deep then yes but realisticly no. Almost nobody could beat KVD except Aaron martens!
Hurricane reply :
No.. I don't fish enough to even think about it.. I would give it a try though. .
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
That was my point ,,farm pond small bodies of water i will say this though in 1000 acre lake or bodie of water with his 250hp boat and electronics he would whip me when im on my yak ,then again i may dissect a 1/4 mile stretch and beat him may be all i need ,,BTW we talkin a 5 slot limit or no limits or biggest bass in 1hr or 6. So many variables.or you saying put him on shore and im on his boat????
Hurricane reply :
It would be cool as hell to fish with him though I tell ya that..
A-Jay reply :
Big C reply :
This thread is kinda funny...Quantum owns Zebco, so he could beat any of us without a breach of contract.
DirtyDeuceGoose reply :
Maybe if he was blindfolded on my home lake!
Dye99 reply :
Of course I could. But Im busy lately beating Michael Jordan at basketball to even come close to having the time.
PitchinJigz reply :
I would be honored to be whooped by KVD.
MIbassyaker reply :
Of course not. I wouldn't even have a home-lake advantage.....he may have fished my favorite waters already (a couple places I fish sometimes, i know he has)
MIbassyaker reply :
On 11/3/2015 at 12:07 PM, PitchinJigz said:I would be honored to be whooped by KVD.
I'd be too busy taking notes!
blckshirt98 reply :
He could probably get some line he finds on the shoreline and tie to a tree branch and beat me.
bassr95 reply :
Interesting question. I think his knowledge of fish location and behavior would trump the spincaster handicap and I would lose.
Bluebasser86 reply :
I would like to try and think I could keep it close, especially if all he had was spin-casting gear. I've had the chance to fish against a pro on his home lake once before, I'd like the chance to defend my perfect record 
senile1 reply :
Anyone who has fished for any length of time has experienced the situation where someone with less experience and knowledge catches the biggest fish or more fish. Anything is possible, but the probability is high that KVD would win the majority of the time.
jlperkins reply :
On 11/3/2015 at 12:09 PM, MIbassyaker said:I'd be too busy taking notes!
Thats what i was thinking i would be just following behind him learning.
stkbassn reply :
No way. By the end of the day he'd have me wondering if there really was something to that cheap combo and I'd be convinced that I needed an entire arsenal of them....lol
wenz41378 reply :
No. I don't think I could beat KVD or any top tier pro if all they had was a stick with some twine at the end. Their ability to read a body of water and conditions far exceeds any advantage in equipment I would have.
K_Mac reply :
On 11/3/2015 at 10:08 PM, senile1 said:Anyone who has fished for any length of time has experienced the situation where someone with less experience and knowledge catches the biggest fish or more fish. Anything is possible, but the probability is high that KVD would win the majority of the time.
Well said my friend. Of course one of us would beat him occasionally. The odds are not too good of that happening often though. He has devoted his life to catching bass, and has reached the highest level professionally. That did not happen easily, quickly or without great natural talent and a very strong commitment to being the best.
Raul reply :
The question is not about me being able to beat KVD him fishing with a spin caster, the real question is if he can beat me I fishing with a spin caster in my home lake, hell ....... I can´t even beat my home lake.
fishballer06 reply :
I'd probably finish in the top 2
NorcalBassin reply :
He uses Quantum... obviously he doesn't care about the quality of his gear. 
Outside of a miracle he'd smoke me with that set up, possibly even if the drag was broken.
Raul reply :
On 11/4/2015 at 1:19 AM, NorcalBassin said:He uses Quantum... obviously he doesn't care about the quality of his gear.
BassMaster17 reply :
on my home lake yes, anywhere else, Heck no!!
Jaderose reply :
Nope but I could sure as heck learn something!
gulfcaptain reply :
Let him come to the LA/OC area, fish the city parks and small bodies of water I do around town. I'd give myself a 50/50 shot in beating him. And I would rather him use his own gear as well. But there will be no boat and no electronics. Walk the bank, and bring what tackle you can carry. Lets see what he can do. Think the odds would be fairly close.
shimmy reply :
One big oversight here is remember that the pros who fish their home waters blow the competition away. Not because they are better fisherman, but because they know the lakes better. This is why KVD gets whooped all the time, even though he is one of the best fisherman of all time. Keep in mind, and from what I have heard, he got a lot of flack for winning a classic after learning about certain waypoints from someone else. The pros are alotted a limited amount of time to call guides before fishing a lake for a tournament. They get their info from people who are not labeled as a pro. Now with all that said, I know KVD would whoop me all day long on any lake we have never fished. But, location is and always will be the most important thing in fishing. He fishes my home waters, I got a great chance of beating him, not because I am better, but through blind luck and a ton of time on my lakes, I happened to find the channels and shorelines that hold better fish even though they logically do not look like they would be better. Yes all! We all would have a chance on our local waters, even against guys who will always be better fisherman than us.
BaitMonkey1984 reply :
Absolutely not. That man is dangerous. He is where he is because of his skill set and years of experience on the water,the two of which makes him a force to be reckoned with. Any advantage relative to the equipment would be far overshadowed by his skill, and he would kick my butt all day long. Change the game to a spinster with 2lb test line and now you got yourself a fairer competition in my mind. You know he's gonna catch him, but can he now play those fish correctly and land them.
Logan S reply :
Taking the part about the cheapo-spincaster out of it...
People underestimate just how good the top pros are. We all know how dominant KVD has been historically...But take a look at a guy like Edwin Evers...He has won Elite Series events by targeting all Largemouth (St Johns River and KY Lake), all Smallmouth (Lake Erie and St Lawrence), and all Spotted Bass (AL River). Talk about versatility, victories all over the country and on all 3 major bass species against the best in the world. You think someone like him isn't going to be able to catch fish from your local pond/lake/river? Not saying a good local angler doesn't have a chance 1-on-1, because they obviously would...But that's also assuming the 'good local angler' is actually GOOD . And even then, more often then not the professionals come out on top. For proof you can look at how often Elite Series pros win or finish near the top in BASS Opens, where the fields are presumably filled with the top local sticks.
For me personally, I'd consider myself a pretty big underdog in a 1-on-1 match up even on local places....But I'd like to think I'd have a small fighting chance. Who knows, maybe one day I'll get to see how I stack up against them for real .
WPCfishing reply :
The only chance most of us in here would have of beating a Pro would be divine intervention.. But hey if it makes you feel better to think you can or even have a chance have at it. 
stkbassn reply :
Not to derail but this is very similar to the pool hall. Every year we have a Toys for Tots tournament here and Allison Fisher comes to play exhibition games to raise money for the charity. For those of you who don't know she's a top pro in billiards and is also a pro snooker player. You can pay 20 bucks to play one rack against her and get an autographed picture as well as a photo with her. First of all this lady is all class. Second of all there's a lot of guys that run their mouth and say they're going to run out on her and she's not that good and we hear all of this chatter. So hours later when she's done running out on everyone and making them look like chumps all of that chatter is replaced with silence and awe. Point is there are some strong players that attempt to beat her in ONE rack of 9 ball and it rarely goes their way unless she's being generous. I'm not saying you can't win one once in a while and if you played for hours that you wouldn't get a few racks but in the end there's no chance you're going to be victorious over someone who's made it their life's work to get where they are. It's just unrealistic.
WPCfishing reply :
On 11/4/2015 at 11:39 PM, stkbassn said:Not to derail but this is very similar to the pool hall. Every year we have a Toys for Tots tournament here and Allison Fisher comes to play exhibition games to raise money for the charity. For those of you who don't know she's a top pro in billiards and is also a pro snooker player. You can pay 20 bucks to play one rack against her and get an autographed picture as well as a photo with her. First of all this lady is all class. Second of all there's a lot of guys that run their mouth and say they're going to run out on her and she's not that good and we hear all of this chatter. So hours later when she's done running out on everyone and making them look like chumps all of that chatter is replaced with silence and awe. Point is there are some strong players that attempt to beat her in ONE rack of 9 ball and it rarely goes their way unless she's being generous. I'm not saying you can't win one once in a while and if you played for hours that you wouldn't get a few racks but in the end there's no chance you're going to be victorious over someone who's made it their life's work to get where they are. It's just unrealistic.
Its a mental game as much or more as the physical.. Same as any professional sport.
Fishing local tournaments is one thing fishing against KVD or Iaconelli is another. We're the JV team..................................... 
SPEEDBEAD. reply :
LOL, I'm pretty confident in myself right now.
But.....No. LOL, not a chance.
Choporoz reply :
I think there may be a difference between the pool playing and the fishing. If only because it probably takes the pool player about 30 seconds to thoroughly understand the locals' table and hall peculiarities. The pro fisherman probably isn't going to get to know the locals' waters as well as the locals do after a day of fishing.
That said, I do think that on any given day......
But on 99.5% of the other days, KVD kicks ANY non pro's butt....anywhere.
scaleface reply :
If you think you can then you stand a chance . Its not like playing LeBron James one on one in basketball where his athleticism wold overwhelm you. If one can read a map and electronics locate and catch a good stringer then one would stand a reasonable chance at beating the best in the world .
NJSalt reply :
I think on a small body of water like a pond, anyone could out-fish these guys on a good day. To me though, that's not what it's all about. The most impressive thing about the pros (and what makes them so good) is the ability to break down 100's or 1000's of square miles of water into very small high-percentage area.
Which do you think gives you better odds?
1. Walking the bank of a 3 acre farm pond fishing against a pro.
2. Launching at the same ramp on Lake X and having to figure it out.
Derekbass02 reply :
I guess I might have a chance if he had to use a spincaster and a maximum of 6 pound line and we got to fish on the lake I fish most often. Some of the bass in there like to hang out in lily pads.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Walkin the banks odds are even..run and gun fishing does require a diff mindset and i know without a dought id get whipped.truth is even if it was Larry nixon or kvd.they still put there pants on one leg at a time.and bass have a brain the size of a pea .now if KVD or Larry can get a bass to put pants on while in the livewell id be sorta worried then.
Spankey reply :
I guess earlier in the post my thoughts came off like an azz but, on a good day and fishing hard I feel that KND wouldn't skunk me. Yes, I realize KVD is possibly the best fisherman that has ever lived. I guess it's easy for me here in eastern Penna. to question as to what was going on in the 2005 Classic that was in Pittsburg. I wasn't there. I've never fished there. I do know when that was taken place we were not in hurricane or flood conditions because I was fishing here on the opposite side of the state. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I did get out there the other year but not to fish. Happened to be out there for a different purpose. Thought it would be a cool place to comeback and fish sometime.
I realize I don't stand a Chinamens chance to fish with KVD, against KVD or even in a "can you beat Charlie Moore" version with KVD. Be pretty cool to have him woop ya and learn a few things.
In this new year I'm going to challenge myself to go fish that same area they fished in Steel Town. Be a neat road trip to do for a few days. I like river fishing, hopefully I will feel at home out there. I'll give it hell and see what they were up against. I don't have a jet motor on my bass boat so I'm probably at the disadvantage in what water I can cover vs. what they covered. I believe about 10-12 lbs. won that tourney. Not sure what they used for size limit? 12"? 15"? I'll go in July.
Catt reply :
It depends on the level of competition y'all are accustom to competing against.
Over an 8 year period from 1973-1980 I fished a total of 250 tournaments winning 18 of them.
This is the list of anglers I've fished against & have beaten on Toledo Bend.
Harold Allen, Jerry Dean (Honey Hole Circuit/Magazine), John Dean, Villis P "Bo" Dowden Sr, John Hall, Tommy Martin, Darren "Mad Man" Mooneyham, Larry Nixon, Terry Oldham (Oldham's Jigs), Ron/Rick Pierce (BassCat Boats), Zell Roland, Bob Sealy (McDonald's Big Bass Splash), Lonnie Stanley (Stanley Lures), & John Torain.
I respect Mr VanDam but on Toledo Bend I aint afraid of him!
Missourifishin reply :
I know KVD is an awesome fisherman. I'm not even half the bass fisherman he is. But on any given day, I think an amateur could catch a couple of hawgs and beat a pro who had an off day. Now, to consistently have success like that? No.
NJSalt reply :
For the sake of conversation lets control the playing field.
Fishing for 4 hours. Alternating with him running the boat in hour increments throwing the same baits. Who wins?
The beautiful thing about fishing is all the variables.....
stkbassn reply :
I'll comment one last time. I'll bet on KVD every single time against anyone on this thread. No disrespect to anyone here because most of you guys would whoop me I'm sure. I think my wallet gets fat 99.99999999 % of the time and the time he loses is when he gets an emergency call and has to call it a day before either angler boats a fish...and I think it might even end up as a tie on that occasion
Spankey reply :
KVD. I'm not going to fool myself. I would be happy to just hang in there fairly close.
A spinnerbaits is not a go to bait for me. I know it is for him. The game could be over for me at that point. On an educational stand point, what better guy to fish with.
hatrix reply :
You guys don't really give your self enough credit as fishermen. There is no denying the guy is a legendary. But fishing is a game of skillful luck. It is not the same every single time where as individual skill if basically the only factor. It is very much like poker. You can be the best in the world but if you get delt rags all day your probably going to loose. The same pros consistently make it in the money but they don't win. It is the same way with fishing.
Doing a five fish bag only serves to help your chances of winning against a pro. That is kibda a flawed system. Who is a better fishermen for the tournament. The guy who caught 200 fish with some nice ones mixed in there? Or the guy who caught 50? But always had those few that were just a little heavier every time?
Any one could have a chance but it would be naive to think you would run circles around the guy like it was not even a contest.
DevinFishing29 reply :
Oh yeah I could beat him fair and square at any lake any time. Even if I had to use an ice fishing rod with 4 pound test. 
Derekbass02 reply :
On 11/6/2015 at 4:23 AM, DevinFishing29 said:Oh yeah I could beat him fair and square at any lake any time. Even if I had to use an ice fishing rod with 4 pound test.
You could not beat him at any lake any time. You could beat him if you both had a private fish tank with 1 bass in it and you got to start fishing an hour before he started.
DevinFishing29 reply :
On 11/6/2015 at 4:28 AM, Derekbass02 said:You could not beat him at any lake any time. You could beat him if you both had a private fish tank with 1 bass in it and you got to start fishing an hour before he started.
Ok maybe I wouldn't win but I would be close thats for sure.
Catch 22 reply :
YES I could=====if he is forced to wear a catchers mit on one hand.
Would love to see his face if he were to read this thread.
long island basser reply :
On 11/6/2015 at 1:23 AM, hatrix said:You guys don't really give your self enough credit as fishermen. There is no denying the guy is a legendary. But fishing is a game of skillful luck. It is not the same every single time where as individual skill if basically the only factor. It is very much like poker. You can be the best in the world but if you get delt rags all day your probably going to loose. The same pros consistently make it in the money but they don't win. It is the same way with fishing.
Doing a five fish bag only serves to help your chances of winning against a pro. That is kibda a flawed system. Who is a better fishermen for the tournament. The guy who caught 200 fish with some nice ones mixed in there? Or the guy who caught 50? But always had those few that were just a little heavier every time?
Any one could have a chance but it would be naive to think you would run circles around the guy like it was not even a contest.
I'm more in line with this, especially on your HOME LAKE..
He's showing up with a spincaster, that's it , he can fish out of another 12 Jon with trolling motor like I would.
There is no map of my lake to even study beforehand .
He has no clue where NON visible cover / structure even is... Roadbeds ,stump feilds,drop offs ,rock piles,weedbeds, humps and so on.
That would make a huge difference IMO.
I don't believe you guys are giving yourselves enough credit for your home waters with these conditions .
murphy13 reply :
I know on my favorite bodies of water in Ohio I can catch fish in numbers and on my best days I would stack my best bag against anyone I think that would be his strategy aswell(weedlines deep with crank). That being said though some of the local pros around here could very easily beat him given the size of bags they bring in on a constant basis.
Josh Smith reply :
A professional at anything is only a professional because he's good enough to make money at a thing and chooses to do so.
I am sure there are plenty of excellent anglers out there who remain in obscurity. They wish fishing to remain their own, calm, private past-time, but could run circles around any professional named.
Josh
Edited for spelling.
stkbassn reply :
On 11/6/2015 at 1:11 PM, Josh Smith said:I professional at anything is only a professional because he's good enough to make money at a thing and chooses to do so.
I am sure there are plenty of excellent anglers out there who remain in obscurity. They wish fishing to remain their own, calm, private past-time, but could run circles around any professional named.
Josh
I think you're right. They live a very humble life, maybe working in a cafe or even as a cashier at Walmart. They could hit the big stage and make millions but because they feel that fishing is a place for them to escape and find peace they wouldn't dare ruin the purity of that by making a name as a pro with all of the annoying sponsors, tv shows, tournament appearances, large pay checks...why would anyone do that when they can stay home eating tv dinners and watching A River Runs Through It on VHS.
murphy13 reply :
On 11/6/2015 at 11:31 PM, stkbassn said:I think you're right. They live a very humble life, maybe working in a cafe or even as a cashier at Walmart. They could hit the big stage and make millions but because they feel that fishing is a place for them to escape and find peace they wouldn't dare ruin the purity of that by making a name as a pro with all of the annoying sponsors, tv shows, tournament appearances, large pay checks...why would anyone do that when they can stay home eating tv dinners and watching A River Runs Through It on VHS.
While I sense your sarcasm you do bring up a good point. A reason a lot of people don't do those tournaments is that they can't afford to take a week off of work to learn the lake like these pros do. What they don't show you is that these guys get 30 to 40hrs on the lake before the tournament. Scott Martin FLW angler of the year fished 6 tournaments that's around 240hrs of vacation time who can afford that? That doesn't even include the cost of towing a boat all over creation, hotel costs, and boat maintenance. Yes I do know that they have sponsorships to offset some of the cost but acquiring the right type of those is a whole different issue hardly related at all to bass fishing.
stkbassn reply :
On 11/7/2015 at 1:58 AM, murphy13 said:While I sense your sarcasm you do bring up a good point. A reason a lot of people don't do those tournaments is that they can't afford to take a week off of work to learn the lake like these pros do. What they don't show you is that these guys get 30 to 40hrs on the lake before the tournament. Scott Martin FLW angler of the year fished 6 tournaments that's around 240hrs of vacation time who can afford that? That doesn't even include the cost of towing a boat all over creation, hotel costs, and boat maintenance. Yes I do know that they have sponsorships to offset some of the cost but acquiring the right type of those is a whole different issue hardly related at all to bass fishing.
Yeah, time on the water is key too which leads back to more experience and being able to adapt when things are tough. When you have those little golden nuggets stashed away you can change the game faster than someone who might slay the fish on their home waters when it's great but not so much when it's tough.
You also brought up something that I hadn't thought of that's a big factor, the cost and the time. Not that it's easy for any pro just starting or even someone who is established on the tour but the investment is massive. If you can afford to put the time in and take the time to fish a lake you're going to have a leg up on those guys just scraping to get from one tournament to the next and working a job to support a family. I know a guy here in Roanoke that fished the tour and we've had a lot of discussions about what it takes. He was working full time and fished the Bassmasters tour for a short while. It was extremely tough, period. He's a darn good fisherman and much better than me and he struggled on the tour against these guys. Talking to him made me that much more aware of how amazing these top guys are or just the guys that consistently cash. Even the guys who don't cash are most all great fisherman at the very least. If you're in the top 50 you are really doing something in my opinion. So hard. The guy I know finished 70th once and that was his best result. I admire him and respect him tremendously for his accomplishments that are far greater than any in fishing I'll ever have. But man it's TOUGH stuff boys!
scaleface reply :
Murph13 , KVD is probably better than you at every aspect of the game but if you can locate and catch fish then there are days you will smoke him . Some people just dont have that confidence . Theres a multitude of amateur anglers with great instincts and mind set . On any given day they can catch a big limit , at least they believe they can .
Alonerankin2 reply :
On 11/3/2015 at 10:41 AM, A-Jay said:A-Jay
Hehe.. Clearly we are approaching wintertime.
A-Jay reply :
On 11/7/2015 at 3:33 AM, Alonerankin2 said:Hehe.. Clearly we are approaching wintertime.
I Refuse to even acknowledge that stuff right there . . . .
A-Jay
murphy13 reply :
I do not think I am a better fisherman than kvd. The question was could you beat kvd the fact of the matter is fishing is not like bball there is no chance of beating LBJ in one on one in 100 games. I talked to a guy who fished a tourney with a man that did nothing but sit in the back of the boat drifting senkos and chain smoking ciggs caught 20lbs of bass had the best coangler weight and boater weight. I'm not going to say I would never ever stand a chance or that I would beat him regularly but very occasionally I would/could get him.On 11/7/2015 at 3:14 AM, scaleface said:Murph13 , KVD is probably better than you at every aspect of the game but if you can locate and catch fish then there are days you will smoke him . Some people just dont have that confidence . Theres a multitude of amateur anglers with great instincts and mind set . On any given day they can catch a big limit , at least they believe they can .
murphy13 reply :
I meant to say very rarly on occasion not very occasionally
For whatever reason it won't let me edit that post
SPEEDBEAD. reply :
I believe Mike Tyson said it best....Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
While not boxing, I think you can draw the parallels.
A-Jay reply :
Could You Beat Kvd 1 Vs 1 ?
Maybe, but only if I could add one of these to my tackle box . . .
But even then it would still probably be pretty close.
A-Jay
bkohlman reply :
I think he would beat me even if I got to fish for 2 days and he only got 4 hours.
scaleface reply :
On 11/7/2015 at 4:28 AM, murphy13 said:I do not think I am a better fisherman than kvd. The question was could you beat kvd the fact of the matter is fishing is not like bball there is no chance of beating LBJ in one on one in 100 games. I talked to a guy who fished a tourney with a man that did nothing but sit in the back of the boat drifting senkos and chain smoking ciggs caught 20lbs of bass had the best coangler weight and boater weight. I'm not going to say I would never ever stand a chance or that I would beat him regularly but very occasionally I would/could get him.
I didnt mean that you thought you were better . No one is better . He'd smoke us in AOY . But if amateurs didnt have a chance against pros then there would be no new pros . All pros were once amateurs .
I bested a pro angler " one" tournament. He has since qualified for several classics . After the weigh in he sought me out and quizzed me . I thought that was cool .
murphy13 reply :
On 11/7/2015 at 6:50 AM, scaleface said:I didnt mean that you thought you were better . No one is better . He'd smoke us in AOY . But if amateurs didnt have a chance against pros then there would be no new pros . All pros were once amateurs .
I bested a pro angler " one" tournament. He has since qualified for several classics . After the weigh in he sought me out and quizzed me . I thought that was cool .
I agree with what you posted I just didn't read it correctly when I responded I read it afterwards but didn't want to retract what I said since there had already been replies.
Rick Howard reply :
The way I see it... Fishing is a skill. That is proven by those who can continuously make a living fishing. However, fishing is part game of chance because there ar elements outside of a persons control that constitute luck. I believe the skill of an angler can reduce the element of luck but not totally negate it. I'm going somewhere witht this... Logically speaking... Yes it could happen and the probability is very low.
Ozark_Basser reply :
Yep. Winter is just around the corner.
Lil Joe The Grinder reply :
3crows reply :
Is the cheap rod and reel a pink Barbie outfit?
Alonerankin2 reply :
On 11/7/2015 at 4:40 AM, A-Jay said:Could You Beat Kvd 1 Vs 1 ?
Maybe, but only if I could add one of these to my tackle box . . .
But even then it would still probably be pretty close.
A-Jay
KVD Equalier tool.jpg
Hmm, you just gave me a ideal for the ex-wife, lol
Josh Smith reply :
On 11/6/2015 at 11:31 PM, stkbassn said:I think you're right. They live a very humble life, maybe working in a cafe or even as a cashier at Walmart. They could hit the big stage and make millions but because they feel that fishing is a place for them to escape and find peace they wouldn't dare ruin the purity of that by making a name as a pro with all of the annoying sponsors, tv shows, tournament appearances, large pay checks...why would anyone do that when they can stay home eating tv dinners and watching A River Runs Through It on VHS.
I don't know if this is arrogance or ignorance.
How about engineers? CEOs? Doctors?
Some simply don't have an overwhelming desire to compete.
Something we learned in martial arts: No matter how good one is, there is always someone better.
Josh
pbrussell reply :
On 11/4/2015 at 1:15 PM, BaitMonkey1984 said:Absolutely not. That man is dangerous. He is where he is because of his skill set and years of experience on the water,the two of which makes him a force to be reckoned with. Any advantage relative to the equipment would be far overshadowed by his skill, and he would kick my butt all day long. Change the game to a spinster with 2lb test line and now you got yourself a fairer competition in my mind. You know he's gonna catch him, but can he now play those fish correctly and land them.
Baitmonkey, is that really you?
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Ill even do one better.we both fish for a month he does his thing traveling the country.i do mine we see who catches the most bass plus lunker and weight total for 1 month.this is the kicker i have 20 farm ponds within 20 minutes of each other i can fish all day and night.he can too BUT he may have to drive a day to limit out to keep up.truth is he does have unlimited resources to FISH but catching fish is what separates all the variables,he does what he is best at and i do what im best at.he will have to rest i wont
Josh Smith reply :
On 11/7/2015 at 9:44 AM, 3crows said:Is the cheap rod and reel a pink Barbie outfit?
No, that's Scott Martin.
thirtysixit reply :
Does KVD have arms and or fingers in this scenario?
In either case probably not...
Alonerankin2 reply :
Who the heck is KVD?
Josh Smith reply :
On 11/8/2015 at 6:07 AM, Alonerankin2 said:Who the heck is KVD?
Jean-Claude's little brother..?
bigbill reply :
He seems like an ok guy. What are we fishing for?
Fishing challenge, ill put up one of my wife Italian fresh made pasta, fresh meatballs, sausage, fresh made bread,
You put up two dinners at a seafood lobster / fish house.
No boat
No electronics
From shore at my hot spot for four hours or who hits a 6 bass limit first. Catch any other fish but a bass it's minus one point.
We split the fishing area in half. In two hours we switch halves.
I'd rather fish up against the Irish godfather Charlie Moore in mass. Than fish with KVD. Me the real godfather up against the imposter.
They use there rods I use mine.
I'm the pro shore bass fisherman. Lol sounds good. I'm just a knucklehead who loves to fish.
bigbill reply :
If you ever want to have some real competition get a few buddies. You each get a dozen of worms and have a panfishing tournament. We do this once in a while it's a blast.
fish devil reply :
"Ike" Mike Iaconelli fishes winter league tournaments here in South Jersey against us regular fishermen. He does not win all the time. So anything is possible.
bigbill reply :
You can be as good as you want to be. They are men like us. They maybe icons or gods to us. I think it would be fun to fish with them.
Ratherbfishing reply :
Not most of the time, no.
*Hootie reply :
I bet if KVD is reading this right now, with some of the comments, he is probably shaking with fear right now. Wait,....that shaking isn't fear, .....he's laughing his head off.
Hootie
scaleface reply :
Good thing Bryan Kerchal didnt have that "no way i can do it attitude. "
stkbassn reply :
On 11/7/2015 at 12:50 PM, Josh Smith said:I don't know if this is arrogance or ignorance.
How about engineers? CEOs? Doctors?
Some simply don't have an overwhelming desire to compete.
Something we learned in martial arts: No matter how good one is, there is always someone better.
Josh
And some just can't admit when they don't have what it takes. As far as I know, unless you're a pro and operating under an alias here you aren't going to win the battle against the likes of KVD. To me, I'm not the one being arrogant or ignorant on this thread, quite the opposite in fact. I would accept the challenge but not expect to win. It has nothing to do with my attitude, just my grasp on reality. Some don't have that.
kikstand454 reply :
Is it possible? Certainly!
Any given day, any set of variables......even a mostly novice fisherman could have a shot. Anything is possible.
PROBABLE??? Hardly.
Consistently? No chance. Consistancy is the real strength of the pros. Sure....all of us have had 20# days. Some of us may have 20# stretches....... But these guys have to have 4 straight days of 15# bags, every weekend, all year....all over the country....in all conditions. Just to make enough money to get to the next tourney.
scaleface reply :
On 11/10/2015 at 9:49 AM, kikstand454 said:Is it possible? Certainly!
Any given day, any set of variables......even a mostly novice fisherman could have a shot. Anything is possible.
PROBABLE??? Hardly.
.... But these guys have to have 4 straight days of 15# bags, every weekend, all year....all over the country....in all conditions. Just to make enough money to get to the next tourney.
No they dont .
Catt reply :
On 11/10/2015 at 9:49 AM, kikstand454 said:Is it possible? Certainly!
Any given day, any set of variables......even a mostly novice fisherman could have a shot. Anything is possible.
PROBABLE??? Hardly.
Consistently? No chance. Consistancy is the real strength of the pros. Sure....all of us have had 20# days. Some of us may have 20# stretches....... But these guys have to have 4 straight days of 15# bags, every weekend, all year....all over the country....in all conditions. Just to make enough money to get to the next tourney.
What you remember is Kevin's 20 wins 4 of which were Classic wins but what you don't remember is his 260 loses!
Kevin's best 5 bass stringer on Toledo Bend was 17.17 which in almost every tournament I know of would not place you in the money.
bigbassin' reply :
I'm shocked at how little confidence a lot of y'all have. If you fished against him 1000 times on a random body of water neither of you have been on, he'd probably win a good chunk of time, but there are so many factors outside his control that you would win from time to time.
Bankbeater reply :
Bass don't bite the reel they bite the bait. That being said I would take the challenge just to have a chance to fish with KVD.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Thats my point his feel good spots are running and gunning.none of us can do that as well as he does it.For him thats his advantage.but it all stops there unless he finds a sweet spot he has to travel its in his mind set.i can stay on a pond and if its a competition i can catch every bass at each pond for 5 days and have my limit all the while he will HAVE too do it 20.its in his blood
Josh Smith reply :
On 11/9/2015 at 11:41 PM, stkbassn said:And some just can't admit when they don't have what it takes. As far as I know, unless you're a pro and operating under an alias here you aren't going to win the battle against the likes of KVD. To me, I'm not the one being arrogant or ignorant on this thread, quite the opposite in fact. I would accept the challenge but not expect to win. It has nothing to do with my attitude, just my grasp on reality. Some don't have that.
If a person is able to think and pattern, and has the time to practice on the water, he stands a pretty good chance.
I will not limit my own abilities in anything due to what others think I can do. I'll reach my own limits and exceed them.
I've debated participation in local tournaments. I like camaraderie. I do not like ego, and I despise hero worship.
Never have I liked folks telling me what I can't do. Chances are I'll turn around and do it to prove them wrong.
You're safe in this argument because it's hypothetical. Mr. KVD is likely too busy doing what he does to stop and fish with any one of us. I've never liked people who argue hypotheticals as a sure thing as a way to look smart without facing the possibility of losing that argument.
I'm sure you're a good enough guy in your way. You rub me wrong, though, and I'm really sorry for that. I'll find out if this forum has an "ignore" button feature, and if so, I'll use it so as to prevent future misunderstandings.
Regards,
Josh
stkbassn reply :
On 11/11/2015 at 1:26 AM, Josh Smith said:
If a person is able to think and pattern, and has the time to practice on the water, he stands a pretty good chance.
I will not limit my own abilities in anything due to what others think I can do. I'll reach my own limits and exceed them.
I've debated participation in local tournaments. I like camaraderie. I do not like ego, and I despise hero worship.
Never have I liked folks telling me what I can't do. Chances are I'll turn around and do it to prove them wrong.
You're safe in this argument because it's hypothetical. Mr. KVD is likely too busy doing what he does to stop and fish with any one of us. I've never liked people who argue hypotheticals as a sure thing as a way to look smart without facing the possibility of losing that argument.
I'm sure you're a good enough guy in your way. You rub me wrong, though, and I'm really sorry for that. I'll find out if this forum has an "ignore" button feature, and if so, I'll use it so as to prevent future misunderstandings.
Regards,
Josh
You don't exactly give me the warm and fuzzies either. I didn't start the thread by the way and you've responded on here as well so you are also arguing "hypotheticals" by being part of it. KVD is not my hero, I don't have any. I just know where I sit on the food chain no matter what romantic and naive ideas might be floating around in my head from time to time. So what if I win one or two battles against KVD or any pro, it proves absolutely NOTHING and I won't be walking away with my chest puffed out like I've accomplished something. I am still not that good and no matter how much I believe in myself after watching after school specials I know I can't attain his level of greatness. I'm good with that.
Ignore away. I do have a smart mouth, you got me there.
BaitMonkey1984 reply :
On 11/8/2015 at 8:32 AM, fish devil said:"Ike" Mike Iaconelli fishes winter league tournaments here in South Jersey against us regular fishermen. He does not win all the time. So anything is possible.
Not too long ago I saw something about this, someone crying that it was unfair that Ike was fishing these tournaments because he is a pro. The guy loves to fish. Th Elite Series is over, and I don't believe he hunts, so I see no issue with hit. From the headlines that I see on the results, he does have a history of pretty good finishes even if he doesn't always come in first. Anything is possible, but not probable.
BaitMonkey1984 reply :
On 11/8/2015 at 7:42 AM, bigbill said:He seems like an ok guy. What are we fishing for?
Fishing challenge, ill put up one of my wife Italian fresh made pasta, fresh meatballs, sausage, fresh made bread,
You put up two dinners at a seafood lobster / fish house.
No boat
No electronics
From shore at my hot spot for four hours or who hits a 6 bass limit first. Catch any other fish but a bass it's minus one point.
We split the fishing area in half. In two hours we switch halves.
I'd rather fish up against the Irish godfather Charlie Moore in mass. Than fish with KVD. Me the real godfather up against the imposter.
They use there rods I use mine.
I'm the pro shore bass fisherman. Lol sounds good. I'm just a knucklehead who loves to fish.
Fishing with Charlie Moore would be one of life's guilty pleasures. I live outside MA and his show has been a staple for me for years. Good fisherman and great guy. May have more fun off the water with him then on the water, and I do not know if I could say that about anyone else.
My dad loves him and I tried to book a full day guide with him in Winnipesauke earlier this year. His schedule was booked, they added me to the waitlist. I expected as much. I think I have a date held for next year. However, when they told me I was added to this years' waitlist they apologized and asked if I would like some free goodies. I received dads, books, multiple signed photographs, 3 mad fish hats, and all of the spices in his spice collection. Had to be $200 worth of gear because they felt bad that due to his show, family commitments, and other guide clients he was unable to take us out this year. An absolute class act and cannot wait to one day fish with him.
bigfruits reply :
id probably have a bigger chance of beating KVD with him using a spincast than I would beating Mike Tyson with one arm tied behind his back.
rboat reply :
KVD is a guy who has won tournaments in all parts of the country, in all weather conditions, all water conditions, all different seasons, lakes, rivers, coastal areas, etc. He probably fishes more than most of us, because it is his job. It is not his gear, but his ability to read water and conditions related to bass movements very quickly. He simply knows where they are, which is the biggest part of the puzzle. I am not doubting anyone on this site because I know we have great anglers who help us with this crazy sport we all love, but sorry, my money would be on KVD. I know he would beat me, but it would be fun! Hey ESPN, I think we have a winner for a new reality show. I know it would be better than "Beat Charlie Moore."
scaleface reply :
On 11/11/2015 at 3:08 AM, rboat said:KVD is a guy who has won tournaments in all parts of the country, in all weather conditions, all water conditions, all different seasons, lakes, rivers, coastal areas, etc. He probably fishes more than most of us, because it is his job. It is not his gear, but his ability to read water and conditions related to bass movements very quickly. He simply knows where they are, which is the biggest part of the puzzle. I am not doubting anyone on this site because I know we have great anglers who help us with this crazy sport we all love, but sorry, my money would be on KVD. I know he would beat me, but it would be fun! Hey ESPN, I think we have a winner for a new reality show. I know it would be better than "Beat Charlie Moore."
Who's money wouldnt be on KVD ? Everybody here acknowledges that the top pros are better than us . KVD is not magic . He has his bad days just like everyone else . If I was to fish the same area as him I would have almost zero chance . If I found a better spot or area than him, which is not far fetched , then the odds of beating him are pretty good . Thats all anyone on here is saying .
bigbill reply :
I would go fish with Charlie Moore and have fun and laughs.
Alonerankin2 reply :
On 11/11/2015 at 3:48 AM, bigbill said:I would go fish with BigFoot and have fun and laughs.
There, I fixed that for ya, bigbill, lol
bigbill reply :
Sure share some fish with bf too. Some nice bass.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
If KVD never lost any tourney ,,he has ever fished in the last 20 yrs then id be just a little worried.mostly on a big lake with a boat pushing 250 hp and 10 gran in electronics then id sweat a little.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
When the week is over and i beat KVD he wont be upset he just knows the rest of the yr he is gonna whooop azz and take names.he is a good guy no matter what.
fisherrw reply :
kvd would beat me...
*Hootie reply :
On 11/12/2015 at 1:54 AM, fisherrw said:kvd would beat me...
He would beat me too fisher, but think of what we could learn, even if we just sat in the back of the boat
and watched.
Hootie
kcdinkerz reply :
Nope I'd be to busy trying to get him to sign my baby
Karsonclowers reply :
He could easily figure something out
fisherrw reply :
On 11/12/2015 at 2:28 AM, *Hootie said:He would beat me too fisher, but think of what we could learn, even if we just sat in the back of the boat
and watched.
Hootie
x2 Hootie
FrogFreak reply :
I have read all the replies and i'm shocked! Come on you guys, the OP asked if you could. I have seen posts where a lot of you have given some great information on different techniques and doled out some superior fishing wisdom. I do believe Catt could bet him on Toledo Bend. i also think SpeedBead (sp) could get some pigs with his swimbait prowess and I know AJ and Hootie have caught some huge fish over the last couple years. Tom seems like he has the SoCal area locked down tight and he has caught lots of DD fish. Heck even some of the newer fisherman on the forum could do it. I know he's a pro but so what. On any given day......
In my humble opinion, i think that there are anglers out there that pursue this crazy hobby with passion but don't care about tournaments and making money doing it. I hope that several of you could and would do it. I would watch and I wouldn't root for KVD or any other pro against one of the non-pro BassResource members.
bassdisaster reply :
If KVD reads this it may give him the confidence to overcome this "slump" he is in. I actually think you guys give him too much credit, I think I would have a good chance of beating him 1 on 1 in a one day tournament. Now a year long aoy race is a different story at this point in my fishing career given his vast knowledge of fishing and competition.
smr_hga reply :
He can have whatever he wants... If its bank fishing with no fancy gear i think i could do ok against him. Especially if i get to choose the battle ground.
It would be fun to even try though 
fish devil reply :
"Ike" fished a local buddy tourney yesterday and did not win. Nor did he make the top 3. 17 boats competed at a highly pressured puddle about ten minutes from his house. It's impossible to win every event.
Brayberry reply :
Sure I think I could beat KVD if he was limited to a spincast reel. The rods that go with those reels are flimsy, and would be hard to work most lures, not to mention the gear ratio in it would drive you nuts. With him never using a spincast reel, he'd be less accurate with it and the reel would feel awkward to him. He may be able to find the fish, but he'd be frustrated all day trying to catch them. Good luck running and gunning with that combo also, flipping is pretty much out also.
Worm Man 2020 reply :
Key word: one against one?
I would win! With my, 6 outing of experience.
That, would be so easy.
First 2-3 days before, I would locate power plant, near to body of water, that you will be competing on.
Second, I would drag large cable from power plant to said, body of water, throw the cable in water and turn on switch, stun all the fish.
Then, I'd gather all fish and place them gently into, one or several semi-truck size aquariums, (he always has at the BPS events).
Lastly, cherry pick the 5 biggest bass, and anchor/livewell, cull, them in little corner of body of water. Note: stash them near ramp.
Then, use blow dart, dipped in some spider venom, (not sure of species), just to slow him down. Dull his senses.
He leaves ramp, I could run over to my 5 Big Bass,
WHAT !!!!!! He has already located them and is having a KVD, Square bill, commercial advertising, how great it searches for bass with that tight pattern.
P.S. I Dart myself, and win in my dreams, ***..
N Florida Mike reply :
It would be like a division 2 school playing a good Sec team.They might win 1 out of 35 times or so.So,sure KVD could be beaten under any circumstance, just not very often.
FloridaFishinFool reply :
It would also depend on the circumstances... Would someone be going up against him on his home turf fishing for smallies they never fished for before, or would he be on their home turf? Or, would both be out of home base?
KVD would be tough to beat in any given situation because he has many years of experience under his belt. But it is a toss up when fishing! Even lucky can win sometimes! Even a blind squirrel can find a nut sometimes!
clh121787 reply :
On my home lake, the competitor in me says I've got a shot. Last february I caught 5 fish that went 42 pounds.... but the realist in me says the chances are highly unlikely.
Fishinthefish reply :
In my lake, with my gear, no electronics for either of us and he gets a spincaster? I'd have a chance. Not a great chance, but still a chance.
Mosster47 reply :
KVD and all the top pros today do their homework along with fishing with local guides, getting GPS waypoint cards from fans and locals, and pre-fishing as much as possible.
That's why the average Joe and most pros can't touch them.
cgolf reply :
If I can pick the lake, I stand a good chance. He is a numbers guy, finds some big bass too, and while I can't fish as fast as he can, I can always scrape together a good batch of 5 fish on this lake. Also being a northern WI bass lake there just aren't a lot of big bass which would keep it close where anything can happen.
I wanted to add that he can use all his gear, if I were to beat him I would want to earn it. Him fishing with inferior stuff would just make it an unsatisfying victory. I would rather get pummeled then win that way
It would be a lot of fun to fish against him for a day and then With him for a day to see how he picks apart a lake.
On 2/3/2016 at 12:40 AM, Mosster47 said:KVD and all the top pros today do their homework along with fishing with local guides, getting GPS waypoint cards from fans and locals, and pre-fishing as much as possible.
That's why the average Joe and most pros can't touch them.
I listened to KVD on Ike's show and it sounded like they aren't into getting waypoints, but does sound like some guys out there are. That isn't right, but I don't think they could really ever police it. Maybe that is why those two have struggled the last couple of years.
Mosster47 reply :
On 2/3/2016 at 12:19 PM, cgolf said:If I can pick the lake, I stand a good chance. He is a numbers guy, finds some big bass too, and while I can't fish as fast as he can, I can always scrape together a good batch of 5 fish on this lake. Also being a northern WI bass lake there just aren't a lot of big bass which would keep it close where anything can happen.
It would be a lot of fun to fish against him for a day and then With him for a day to see how he picks apart a lake.
I listened to KVD on Ike's show and it sounded like they aren't into getting waypoints, but does sound like some guys out there are. That isn't right, but I don't think they could really ever police it. Maybe that is why those two have struggled the last couple of years.
I've heard Hackney speak out against it to, but he was pretty diplomatic about it and stated a couple times that because there are no rules against it you can't fault anyone for doing it.
Rick Clunn had the best take on it. Regardless of how good a fisherman you are, the guy with the card is going to beat you most the time. If a cove has 30 docks the average guy has to fish every dock to find fish. The guy with the card zooms in, fishes the two that hold fish and is out of there.
I love KVD and I'm a spinnerbait disciple because of him, but if you're not on the cutting edge you get left behind.
lbriggs reply :
My home lake is a little river cove that holds a good amount of smallmouth and some largemouth. It's very tough to fish and I have found the best approach is to wade, not even be in a boat. I fished it nearly everyday for an entire summer and I feel like I have that place on lock; what baits work when and where. I think that given his expertise and his amazing reputation as an angler, I may have a 50 to 60 percent chance on any given day on beating him. If the conditions were tough and the fish were finicky, he wins. If the fish are in the current by the edge of the cove and the conditions favor my favorite ways to fish (front moving in, overcast) I could fight him for a win. I would have more rods and a lot more knowledge of the tough fishing of Iowa, and would win in those conditions maybe 65 percent of the time. Not to discredit KVD, he's an awesome angler.
In an ideal world, he still has the cheap spincaster and we fish against eachother for Northern Pike. I win 80 percent of the time (or I like to think I would).
Paul Roberts reply :
Take away his retrieve speed??! That is an interesting question.
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