10lb Florida strain LMB equals? 2024
CroakHunter reply :
In your opinion, what size does a northern strain LMB, smallmouth, and spotted bass need to be to be comparable to a 10Lb FLMB? where i fish, we only have northern strain. So I would say a 7.5Lb would be equal to a 10Lb flmb. I cannot speak to the other 2 types as I have never seen or fished for these types of bass. Curious to hear what people say.
BASS302 reply :
@CroakHunter,
In-Fisherman has the following charts for master angler:
So, Master Angler awards
FLM = 10
NLM = 6.5
SM = 5 or 5.5 depending on region
SB = 3 or 5 depending on region
TnRiver46 reply :
The biggest bass we have are F1 hybrids. They stock Florida strain every year and the native fish out breed/outcompete them. The first generation hybrid between the native bass x Florida strain are always the biggest. They took a whole bunch of the 8+ fish weighed in and like 99% of them were the first generation F1 hybrids. So here the true Florida strain fish aren't as big
roadwarrior reply :
Well, I think 14 & 15 lb bass are "competitive".
http://www.wcyb.com/news/tennessee/bass-caught-in-tennessee-comes-close-to-state-record/680175458
TnRiver46 reply :
On 1/4/2018 at 10:59 PM, roadwarrior said:Well, I think 14 & 15 lb bass are "competitive".
http://www.wcyb.com/news/tennessee/bass-caught-in-tennessee-comes-close-to-state-record/680175458
14-15 lb absolutely are competitive but I can almost guarantee that was an F1 first generation hybrid. I was just saying that the pure Florida strain aren't as big here, F1 are always huge
Dwight Hottle reply :
Interesting topic. I have always felt that a 7lb smallie is the equivalent of a 10lb FLMB. Lots of people think it should a 6lb smallie but my catch rate tells me no.
For northern strain bass a 7-8lber should be the equal to a 10lb FLMB.
I don't have any experience with spots so I will decline on that one.
A-Jay reply :
I'll play ~
I'd say the LMB compared to SMB size Trophy fish comparison scale looks like this:
LMB = SMB
7 - 9 lb 5lb
10 - 12lb 6lb
13lb 7lb
14 - 15 8lb
16lb + 9lb
A-Jay
portiabrat reply :
On 1/4/2018 at 1:56 PM, BASS302 said:@CroakHunter,
So, Master Angler awards
FLM = 10
NLM = 6.5
SM = 5 or 5.5 depending on region
SB = 3 or 5 depending on region
Something seems off with those smallmouth numbers. In some of the spring tournaments on Lake Michigan, you need to average about 5.5 lbs per smallmouth to win. As someone who fishes Lake Michigan, I'd actually say that 6's are common there that time of year. People do make a big deal about anything over 7, though, so that might help give people an idea of what's considered a big fish in region 5.
TnRiver46 reply :
Hey @A-Jay, wonder if they could isolate the DNA of Michigan-strain SMB??? And stock them all over the world?? "Be a lot cooler if they did!"
A-Jay reply :
On 1/4/2018 at 11:36 PM, TnRiver46 said:Hey @A-Jay, wonder if they could isolate the DNA of Michigan-strain SMB??? And stock them all over the world?? "Be a lot cooler if they did!"
Big Water smb seem to have the capacity to grow big, super thick, deep & especially Tall body frames.
This allows them to get surprisingly heavy without being particularly long.
The term TANK is one I use - and I like that.
Fertility of the habitat (as well as an abundance of gobies) certainly helps.
A-Jay
WRB reply :
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FLMB: 15 lbs, WR 22.31 lbs, Japan
NLMB: 10 lbs, TBD (16.2 lbs SC, 1949 state record)
Smallmouth: 6 lbs, WR 11 lbs 11oz, TN
Spotted Bass, Alabama/Southern: 6 lbs, WR 10.8 lbs, CA
Spotted Bass, Kentucky/Northern: 3 lbs, TBD (5.5 lbs TX, 1966 state record)
FLMB vs NLMB; 50% weight differential and the reason the 2 strains should have separate record status.
Tom
PS, California NLMB and Smallmouth originally from Minnesota 1890.
FLMB from Florida 1959, S Spots from Alabama 1960, N Spots from Kentucky 1939.
Hawkeye21 reply :
Majority of all my fishing is in Iowa and Minnesota and to me anything over 6lbs for a large mouth seems to be equivalent to a 10 pounder down south. I've only seen one bass over 6lbs in all my life of fishing up here.
Lucky Craft Man reply :
Interesting question. I have always asked myself a question like this, "How big would a fish have to be for me to consider getting a replica made?" below is the Spreadsheet Table I created that answered that question for me.
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
How can one tell differences between FLM VS NLM VS F1hybrid?
soflabasser reply :
On 1/4/2018 at 1:56 PM, BASS302 said:@CroakHunter,
In-Fisherman has the following charts for master angler:
So, Master Angler awards
FLM = 10
NLM = 6.5
SM = 5 or 5.5 depending on region
SB = 3 or 5 depending on region
A TrophyCatch sized largemouth bass in the state of Florida is 8 pounds, and 8 pounders tend to be around 24 inches in length, give or take a inch or so in length depending on thickness. 10 pound bass are rarely only 24 inches in Florida, more like 25-27 inches in length. I know this from experience weighing 100's of big bass( 5 pounds or better) in Florida. Our state rewards anglers who properly document largemouth bass over 8 pounds and that are approved by a team of biologist who know more about bass weight than most fishermen.
Raul reply :
On 1/5/2018 at 6:49 AM, JustJames said:How can one tell differences between FLM VS NLM VS F1hybrid?
FLM 70-72 scales on the lateral line
NLM 68-70 scales on the lateral line
so the tricky part is when you encounter a 70 scales along the lateral line, could be either, weight is not discriminatory since, at least in my neck of the woods, a 10 lber can be a NLM or a hybrid.
WRB reply :
On 1/5/2018 at 7:08 AM, Raul said:FLM 70-72 scales on the lateral line
NLM 68-70 scales on the lateral line
so the tricky part is when you encounter a 70 scales along the lateral line, could be either, weight is not discriminatory since, at least in my neck of the woods, a 10 lber can be a NLM or a hybrid.
Raul you may want recheck your source of info.
McClanes New Standard Fishing Encyclopedia
Northern strain Largemouth Black bass;
lateral line pore scales 59-68
Below lateral line scales 15-16
Above lateral line scales 7-9
Florida strain Largemouth;
lateral line pore scales 69-73
below lateral line scales 17-18
above lateral line scales 8-9
I don't know of a field method to deterime identification for intergrades such as F1, however the lateral line scale count 69+ should be a good enough identifier. During the late 60's when FLMB started showing up in San Diego lakes I research how to identify them and came up with the above info. It's easy to count lateral line pore scales on live bass by laying them on a wet towel with one end over thier head and start counting from the gill plate back towards the tail, when you get to 68 with a few more scales remaining it's a Florida strain.
Tom
TnRiver46 reply :
Welll....... woops
CroakHunter reply :
On 1/5/2018 at 9:54 AM, TnRiver46 said:Only a DNA test
I say we put them on the Maury Povich show if we are doing DNA tests!
TnRiver46 reply :
On 1/5/2018 at 9:58 AM, CroakHunter said:I say we put them on the Maury Povich show if we are doing DNA tests!
After I typed that I reAd tom and a few other replies. I have a degree In fisheries management and I would still mis-identify them on the test. We had to count scales and measure fin rays constantly and I wouldn't consider it an exact science
Bassin' Brad reply :
Does the weight to length to girth ratio vary from FLMB to NLMB? I know that each bass is different but I was curious if it consistently varied between the two.
I caught a 7 lb 4 oz 22" long LMB in new Mexico and then shortly after that I caught a 6 lb 23 1/2" long LMB in Oklahoma and wondered if one was FLMB and the other NLMB
Chance_Taker4 reply :
What happens if you put FLMB in say Ohio and NLMB in Florida? Will they sustain?
BassObsessed reply :
On 1/5/2018 at 10:56 PM, Chance_Taker4 said:What happens if you put FLMB in say Ohio and NLMB in Florida? Will they sustain?
The Florida strain won't survive the temps in Ohio.
Scarborough817 reply :
wow i guess i have caught a fish that is equal to a 10lb FLMB
WRB reply :
On 1/5/2018 at 10:57 AM, Bassin' Brad said:Does the weight to length to girth ratio vary from FLMB to NLMB? I know that each bass is different but I was curious if it consistently varied between the two.
I caught a 7 lb 4 oz 22" long LMB in new Mexico and then shortly after that I caught a 6 lb 23 1/2" long LMB in Oklahoma and wondered if one was FLMB and the other NLMB
You need to consider the girth as a body mass indicator, football shaped bass have a good eccosystems with lots of food source, flat shaped bass with lengths the are more then 75% of the girth have light weight body mass. Florida strain bass living in Floridia tend to have a more average length to girth ratio of 75-80%, one reason 18 lb FLMB are so rare in Florida and more common in California where over 85% girth to length (football shaped bass) tend to be the norm. I have never measure a LMB over 30" long (month closed to end of the center of the tail, not the tips) and believe that is close to maximum for the species.
Lateral line pore scales are in a straight line and easy to see on big bass because of the hole in each scale.
Tom
TnRiver46 reply :
On 1/5/2018 at 11:13 PM, BassObsessed said:The Florida strain won't survive the temps in Ohio.
They don't survive the temps in Tennessee either but the breed with the natives and form the massive F1 hybrid
BassObsessed reply :
Iv'e been tempted for years to get some f1's shipped up here for a couple of my ponds but don't think they'll make it.
WRB reply :
On 1/6/2018 at 2:26 AM, BassObsessed said:Iv'e been tempted for years to get some f1's shipped up here for a couple of my ponds but don't think they'll make it.
Prolonged exposure to water less than 45 degrees is the Florida strains minimum water temps for survival. F1 is the 1st generation NLMN and pure FLMB intergrade, it's 1 generation, not a sub strain of LMB. 2 F1's doesn't = F1 offspring.
Spring fed pond should have 50-60 degree water near the spring year around.
Tom
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
@WRBwould you think FLMB would survive in Canyon Lake? I'm serious joining bass club here this year and I know they do stock new bass to the lake from time to time.
So far I've heard the biggest bass being caught here is around 12lb. If I can get FLMB into the lake, wow possibilities of bigger and easier DD bass.
WRB reply :
On 1/6/2018 at 8:05 AM, JustJames said:@WRBwould you think FLMB would survive in Canyon Lake? I'm serious joining bass club here this year and I know they do stock new bass to the lake from time to time.
So far I've heard the biggest bass being caught here is around 12lb. If I can get FLMB into the lake, wow possibilities of bigger and easier DD bass.
No reason why they wouldn't survive and may already be in the lake? George Kramer would know if they already have been introduced in Canyon lake.
Tom
TnRiver46 reply :
On 1/6/2018 at 7:05 AM, WRB said:Prolonged exposure to water less than 45 degrees is the Florida strains minimum water temps for survival. F1 is the 1st generation NLMN and pure FLMB intergrade, it's 1 generation, not a sub strain of LMB. 2 F1's doesn't = F1 offspring.
Spring fed pond should have 50-60 degree water near the spring year around.
Tom
Basically what they do here is stock pure Florida strain every year and the result is F1. If they didn't stock more pure Florida every year then eventually the natives would outcompete them completely. That first generation F1 is cold tolerant and can get abnormally large
BassObsessed reply :
Read in the book where the northern strain genetics will dominate over the f1's which will result in smaller potential down the road.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 1/6/2018 at 8:54 AM, BassObsessed said:Read in the book where the northern strain genetics will dominate over the f1's which will result in smaller potential down the road.
One of the power plant lakes I fish was stocked with Florida strain LMB many years ago and had a streak of producing many fish over 10 pounds as a result. Now the pure Florida genes have been mixed with the northern strain genes and those giants are rarer and rarer. They still grow bigger than most any other lake in the state though, with a 10lb 1oz, and 10lb 15oz giant being caught last spring. The latter was less than a pound from the state record.
WRB reply :
The FLMB average life in CA is about 15 years. When pure FLMB are stocked it's usually fingerlings or slightly larger juvenile size bass, not adults. It takes a few generations for all the pure FLMB to mix with NLMB, so there will a few generations of FLMB spawning together producing more FLMB. This is the reason that a few giants show up after 30 of more years after the initial stocking of FLMB.
Tom
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