So i just read the "Hot weather crankin" on the main page and something caught my attention that i need some advice on. Is there any type of advantage to using a snap with your cranks? I understand changing out baits in seconds is a big one but does it help or hinder the action on your crankbaits. See this portion in the article threw me for a loop because i was always told to tie the line directly to the bait. What are you guys thoughts on this?
Thanks.
Joe
I have done both and caught fish both ways. The action of the lure may change with a snap, but sometimes that change can help, too. Snaps will gather more weeds and crap at times, but like I said, both have worked for me.
I always use snaps in mostly open water. They improve bait action over tying direct imo.
I always use Norman speed clips
I use them exclusively. They don't hamper the action at all, but I use the smallest and lightest ones I can find. I've never had one fail.
I almost always use them unless I find a lure that's working well and want it to collect less weeds. For instance if I'm ripping lipless cranks out of grass the snap can make that more difficult.
I would think the disadvantage of tieing direct with no snap or split ring would be the change in the lures action. The snap allows for quick changing of baits, it acts like the split ring and allows the bait to pivot about it. The snap will also collect more weeds.
I tried to use some dual locks on my cranks, but most of my lures that had that nice tight wobble ended up getting more of a wide wobble to them. I was killing bass on red eye shad tying to the split ring, but when I used the dual locks that tight wiggle was gone and didn't catch one bass. Ended up putting all of my split rings back on and ditched the dual locks.
So this question is to all the people who use snaps. Do you attach the snaps to the split ring or do you connect the snap directly to the lure?. I hardly HARDLY catch bass on crankbaits so i would love to try something new that might improve my chances.
If you use snaps you need to remove your split rings and snap directly to the bait. Also, you need to make sure to check your line often and retie when needed. Snaps can help develop some bad habits if you aren't vigilant about your line, you still have to retie.
Thanks Jrod.
On 7/11/2013 at 8:58 AM, Jrob78 said:If you use snaps you need to remove your split rings and snap directly to the bait. Also, you need to make sure to check your line often and retie when needed. Snaps can help develop some bad habits if you aren't vigilant about your line, you still have to retie.
I never take the split rings off, just put the Norman speed clip right onto the split ring, no problems there.
On my topwater poppers I leave the split ring on them so the snap swivel can be attached to it. I use the ball bearing snap swivels all the time. Even on my Carolina rig hooks. Using snap swivels gives my
crankbaits more side to side action. Snap swivels let the cranks actually hinge smoother.
Plus I can't tie knots in the dark, I can just tie them in the daylite. I got old so fast.
I use both the cross lock snaps or the Norman speed clips EXCEPT on my lipless cranks. I tie directly to the split ring on those. I find the cross lock snaps work better on the smaller lighter baits such as Rapalas and the speed clips work best on larger and heavier baits.
On 7/11/2013 at 10:29 AM, JeziHogg said:I never take the split rings off, just put the Norman speed clip right onto the split ring, no problems there.
Bill Norman Speed clips! I read your post and thought what is that? I just googled it, what a ridiculously awesome tool. I've been having the same issue with my cranks, tie direct get good action or use a snap to change out quickly. If these speed clips do what they advertise I'm sold! Wow never thought I'd get so excited over a little piece of metal. I love this forum!
On 7/11/2013 at 11:23 AM, jtharris3 said:I use both the cross lock snaps or the Norman speed clips EXCEPT on my lipless cranks. I tie directly to the split ring on those. I find the cross lock snaps work better on the smaller lighter baits such as Rapalas and the speed clips work best on larger and heavier baits.
Why don't you use them in lipless cranks?
On 7/11/2013 at 12:29 PM, ChicagoEd said:Bill Norman Speed clips! I read your post and thought what is that? I just googled it, what a ridiculously awesome tool. I've been having the same issue with my cranks, tie direct get good action or use a snap to change out quickly. If these speed clips do what they advertise I'm sold! Wow never thought I'd get so excited over a little piece of metal. I love this forum!
They work as advertised and are virtually weedless.
On 7/11/2013 at 12:58 PM, OkeechobeeAngler said:They work as advertised and are virtually weedless.
With or without split ring? I was hoping there was a you tube vid on these but no luck. So line directly to speed clip and then speed clip to split ring? Or straight to lure? Also, do you use these for jigs? How about trigs?
Never mind just found a tackle warehouse clip. Easy breezy can't wait to try these.
On 7/11/2013 at 12:31 PM, ChicagoEd said:Why don't you use them in lipless cranks?
For two reason, 1. It hinders the action of the bait and 2. when casting with the snap on it I have found that the bait would foul with the line getting caught up in the hooks. YMMV
I'm trying this out today with just some regular snaps that i would use on a C-rig. On 2 different Crankbaits, i took the split rings off and put the snap directly on the lure. I don't think i'm going to mess with my rat-l-traps but if i catch a fish today on one of those modified baits, i'm sold. lol
Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. It depends on where I will be fishing, the type of bait I will be using, and what cover/structure is in the lake.
I do. I do.
On 7/11/2013 at 6:05 AM, Dyerbassman said:I have done both and caught fish both ways. The action of the lure may change with a snap, but sometimes that change can help, too. Snaps will gather more weeds and crap at times, but like I said, both have worked for me.
x2
Most cranks are designed to be used with a split ring/snap, hence that's how they come. I always remove the split ring and use a snap, gives the same spacing on the bait to allow for the same action. If you tie direct, you are actually lose action on some of your crank baits...don't do it!
Tight lines,
Matthew
On 7/11/2013 at 8:54 AM, Big Stick Joe said:So this question is to all the people who use snaps. Do you attach the snaps to the split ring or do you connect the snap directly to the lure?. I hardly HARDLY catch bass on crankbaits so i would love to try something new that might improve my chances.
To the split ring.
Thank you NWBasslover and DaveP. I did catch a small carp on a crankbait that i swapped out the split ring for the snap. Other than that, i didn't notice any time of differents.
I use snaps on virtually every class of lure so yes to the answer. I haven't noticed any difference and I still seem to catch them on crankbaits.
i do
I use them as well. I don't think it hurts the action of any of my lures, and it saves a lot of line from not having to constantly cut one lure off, re-tie, fish awhile, cut another lure off, re-tie, repeat.
On 7/12/2013 at 5:15 AM, Dave P said:To the split ring.
Actually, the manufacturers all say that if you attach your snaps to a split ring you hurt the action. The bait becomes to 'floppy' and doesn't have the right support for the action. I have tested most of my cranks in the pool with and without splits and snaps and I have to say, they are right.
On 7/19/2013 at 12:19 AM, NWBasslover said:Actually, the manufacturers all say that if you attach your snaps to a split ring you hurt the action. The bait becomes to 'floppy' and doesn't have the right support for the action. I have tested most of my cranks in the pool with and without splits and snaps and I have to say, they are right.
Not saying that "all of the manufacturers say" isn't correct, but I've never seen any such thing myself. Nor have I noticed any difference on any bait over about 1/2 oz and definitely not on any bait like a 3-6 XDs or any other "deep diver" cranks unless it's something with a very narrow bill. I haven't notice any difference between round split rings and the oval shaped ones. I don't like snaps as much on small Bagley's and other light squarebills. I don't generally use the light ones. All mine are 1/2 oz on up. I don't use them on lipless because I think there's a vibration difference and I do feel they dampen the action a little.
From Kevin VanDam’s Bass Strategies Revised Edition. Page 100.
“Snaps: There are anglers who advocate tying all lures direct, but I’m not one of them. I use snaps on most of my crankbaits, spoons and sub-surface lures, although I tie topwaters, jigs and soft plastics to the line. Anglers claim that snaps will break or come undone, but I’ve never experienced any of those problems. I use a snap because it allows me to change baits quickly, and more importantly, I think it enhances lure action. Now, I don’t use snap ‘swivels’ because they add too much weight to the front of the lure and they stifle lure action. I use Berkley Cross-Lok snaps in 75-pound strength for most of my hardbait attachments. I’ve never had a problem with them, although I do change often. The wire clasp will lose its strength if you open and close it often, so I don’t take any chances.”
I don't use the 75lb one's either. I use the smallest lightest cross locks that I can find. Maybe that makes a difference, I don't know. Their breaking strength is still higher than my line, so I don't worry about it at all. I use them for a few trips and toss them. I realize KVD doesn't directly address the split ring issue but it does leave no doubt that the man himself uses snaps.
i used to use them all the time, recently when fishing with a buddy of mine, he lost a good fish on a swimbait that was using a snap... NEVER AGAIN haha
On 7/11/2013 at 6:23 AM, JeziHogg said:I always use Norman speed clips
x2. I started using them this year and love them. Haven't seen a big difference with or without so its a plus for me to quickly swap lures without a retie
On 7/11/2013 at 6:23 AM, JeziHogg said:I always use Norman speed clips
Ditto...
Mike
I've always used snaps just because they're easy to swap out lures. Pretty much everything's been said in this thread, but like I posted in another thread
......an old timer once told me that with all the blades, clackers, rattles, and whirls our lures make, he's pretty certain a fish won't look at that "contraption" barrelling through the water and politely refuse to bite because I have a tiny little snap on my line.
On 7/11/2013 at 8:36 AM, TNBassin said:I tried to use some dual locks on my cranks, but most of my lures that had that nice tight wobble ended up getting more of a wide wobble to them. I was killing bass on red eye shad tying to the split ring, but when I used the dual locks that tight wiggle was gone and didn't catch one bass. Ended up putting all of my split rings back on and ditched the dual locks.
You should leave the split ring on, and attach the snap to that. It won't make a rattle bait "vibe" any less.
On 7/19/2013 at 1:47 AM, Dave P said:Not saying that "all of the manufacturers say" isn't correct, but I've never seen any such thing myself. Nor have I noticed any difference on any bait over about 1/2 oz and definitely not on any bait like a 3-6 XDs or any other "deep diver" cranks unless it's something with a very narrow bill. I haven't notice any difference between round split rings and the oval shaped ones. I don't like snaps as much on small Bagley's and other light squarebills. I don't generally use the light ones. All mine are 1/2 oz on up. I don't use them on lipless because I think there's a vibration difference and I do feel they dampen the action a little.
From Kevin VanDam’s Bass Strategies Revised Edition. Page 100.
“Snaps: There are anglers who advocate tying all lures direct, but I’m not one of them. I use snaps on most of my crankbaits, spoons and sub-surface lures, although I tie topwaters, jigs and soft plastics to the line. Anglers claim that snaps will break or come undone, but I’ve never experienced any of those problems. I use a snap because it allows me to change baits quickly, and more importantly, I think it enhances lure action. Now, I don’t use snap ‘swivels’ because they add too much weight to the front of the lure and they stifle lure action. I use Berkley Cross-Lok snaps in 75-pound strength for most of my hardbait attachments. I’ve never had a problem with them, although I do change often. The wire clasp will lose its strength if you open and close it often, so I don’t take any chances.”
I don't use the 75lb one's either. I use the smallest lightest cross locks that I can find. Maybe that makes a difference, I don't know. Their breaking strength is still higher than my line, so I don't worry about it at all. I use them for a few trips and toss them. I realize KVD doesn't directly address the split ring issue but it does leave no doubt that the man himself uses snaps.
Correct. I wasn't saying not to use snaps. I use them and a lot of the pros do also. I was saying that if you leave the split ring on and attach your snap to the split ring instead of directly to the bait I have seen performance issues. Granted, I have a shallow pool that I test my lures in, only 4' deep, so I do have to amend my earlier statement to say "shallow baits".
On 7/20/2013 at 1:01 AM, NWBasslover said:Correct. I wasn't saying not to use snaps. I use them and a lot of the pros do also. I was saying that if you leave the split ring on and attach your snap to the split ring instead of directly to the bait I have seen performance issues. Granted, I have a shallow pool that I test my lures in, only 4' deep, so I do have to amend my earlier statement to say "shallow baits".
Cheers!
I've always used snaps for all my hard baits.