What Kind Of Rig To Have A Plastic Worm Swimming 1-2Ft Subsurface? 2024
JazzPipes reply :
Hey guys, I was fishing the Jamaica Pond in Boston today and I had a little problem with the weed/grass. The pond is very shallow near the shore so any type of lures/bait I throw, cannot go lower than 1-2 feet bellow the surface. Otherwise it just becomes and rake on the bottom of the pond. I tried a worm texas rigged with a 1/4oz weight and it didnt work. As I only fish from the shore, I was wondering what would bring the odds to look good again.
Any suggestions for lures and set ups for this new angler?
I am mainly targeting bass, mostly large mouth.
MIbassyaker reply :
Just rig it weightless.
JazzPipes reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 8:20 AM, MIbassyaker said:Just rig it weightless.
I did, could not cast more than 10 feet. I was using a 6 ft rod with braided line.
FinCulture reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 9:06 AM, JazzPipes said:I did, could not cast more than 10 feet. I was using a 6 ft rod with braided line.
get a longer rod and some lighter line! Maybe get a worm rod/reel just for weightless plastics.
scaleface reply :
then use a senko type bait.They are heavy enough to use weightless.
Bassguytom reply :
If you want to swim a ribbon tail worm through weeds put it on an 1/8 oz. belly weighted swim bait hook. Texpose the hook. Money!
JazzPipes reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 9:15 AM, FinCulture said:get a longer rod and some lighter line! Maybe get a worm rod/reel just for weightless plastics.
Do you think 20# braid is too much? Thats what Im using.
I do have a 7ft rod coming to me tomorrow, its fast action, probably not the greatest cast in the planet, but the length will help. What do you think?
JazzPipes reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 9:17 AM, Bassguytom said:If you want to swim a ribbon tail worm through weeds put it on an 1/8 oz. belly weighted swim bait hook. Texpose the hook. Money!
What hook size would you use?
jonnyblazex reply :
Throw it on a spinning rod weightless with braid! You will be able to cast far and no backlash. Don't think a spinning rod wont be able to do what you want, it WILL do it for sure!
FinCulture reply :
I think that 20 lb should be sufficient as far as casting goes, but some type of fluorocarbon, whether it be a leader or your main line, would help a lot. maybe check out P-line fluoroclear. It's a great copolymer line with a fluoro coating. I find it great for fishing lighter baits. I just don't like braid a much when it comes to fishing weightless plastics.
FinCulture reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 9:38 AM, jonnyblazex said:Throw it on a spinning rod weightless with braid! You will be able to cast far and no backlash. Don't think a spinning rod wont be able to do what you want, it WILL do it for sure!
I don't know if you use spinning or casting but I would recommend spinning for your application as well.
JazzPipes reply :
Guys, I dont know what to say, I might be doing something really wrong because my rig today was with a spinning! So crazy, I couldnt cast for the life in me further than 10 feet or so! I tried texas rigging, weightless, carolina helped a little but it was still a miserable cast. I have no idea what is going on.
MIbassyaker reply :
20lb braid has diameter equivalent to about 6lb mono; that should be OK for casting a weightless worm, although 15lb braid may be better. I'm guessing the problem is your rod. Do you know what power rod you are using? I use weightless t-rigged worms on medium, and even medium light spinning gear with braid quite often. You could also just downsize your weight to 1/8 or 1/16 rather than get rid of it completely, or use a heavier worm like a senko, as scaleface suggests.
jonnyblazex reply :
What kind of setup are you using, line, rod, reel? It would really help a lot and possibly point out the answer.
JazzPipes reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 9:55 AM, MIbassyaker said:20lb braid has diameter equivalent to about 6lb mono; that should be OK for casting a weightless worm, although 15lb braid may be better. I'm guessing the problem is your rod. Do you know what power rod you are using? I use weightless t-rigged worms on medium, and even medium light spinning gear with braid quite often. You could also just downsize your weight to 1/8 or 1/16 rather than get rid of it completely, or use a heavier worm like a senko, as scaleface suggests.
My rod is an Ugly Stick GX2 6 ft... I know...
Its quite stiff, do you think that it would cause that big of a problem?
JazzPipes reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 9:59 AM, jonnyblazex said:What kind of setup are you using, line, rod, reel? It would really help a lot and possibly point out the answer.
Ok here it is:
rod: Ugly Stick GX2 6 ft
reel: shimano sedona SE4000FD
20# braid
bait was ribbon tail worm, around 8inches rigged in several different ways as mentioned above
MIbassyaker reply :
If it's the medium-heavy Ugly stik, then yes, that may be the problem. I'm guessing it is if you have a 4000 size reel on it.
RiverDave reply :
Hmmm. Something is going on. The GX2 lists 4 rods at 6'. The Light, Medium and Medium Heavy all can handle 1/4 oz. The Heavy is rated for 3/8 to 1 oz. Which GX2 6' rod do you have?
The Sedona 4000 is a good size (big) reel. The specs say it can spool 240 yards of 8 lb. (20 lb. braid = 6 lb. test). Is your reel filled properly? If not, it won't "fly" off the reel and get caught on the edge.
Check that the rod can handle it and the reel is filled properly. What are the specs on your incoming 7' rod?
Hope this helps..
JazzPipes reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 10:19 AM, MIbassyaker said:If it's the medium-heavy Ugly stik, then yes, that may be the problem. I'm guessing it is if you have a 4000 size reel on it.
It was the one that comes with the combo rod+reel. Its a cheap cheap rod. The tip is very firm, so Im guessing its at least a medium-fast.
I bought the bigger reel because I know its a matter of time until I upgrade the rod. I just made a big purchase of tackle and rods for surf fishing so I was not planing in buying new fresh water rods.
I was wondering if I could solve this problem without having to change the rod. I know its a big part of the gear, but when my wife uses it with a bobber for bluegill and sunfish, it casts really well. So that got me thinking that the tip might not be the problem. The problem is actually that the rod is made to throw heavier lure (probably something around 1/2oz and 1.5oz) but Im using a super light worm weightless...but then again... If I use weights I will get tangle in the weed/grass madness.
So I think the question is: Given that I have a rod that is better for lures around 1oz, how do I cast lighter ones without changes the rod and reel?
But I think I know the answer... you just dont...
JazzPipes reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 10:30 AM, RiverDave said:Hmmm. Something is going on. The GX2 lists 4 rods at 6'. The Light, Medium and Medium Heavy all can handle 1/4 oz. The Heavy is rated for 3/8 to 1 oz. Which GX2 6' rod do you have?
The Sedona 4000 is a good size (big) reel. The specs say it can spool 240 yards of 8 lb. (20 lb. braid = 6 lb. test). Is your reel filled properly? If not, it won't "fly" off the reel and get caught on the edge.
Check that the rod can handle it and the reel is filled properly. What are the specs on your incoming 7' rod?
Hope this helps..
I think you are getting warmer to solve this...
I just checked the rod, its 6ft medium.
The reel is 80% filled. It has some mono on the bottom and braid on top. I just got it done at bass pro.
It was my first time fishing with braid, so I cant really judge how good it was filled.
I did get some wind knots, but nothing major.
The new rod is again an Ugly Stick (Im fishing on a budget! hehehe) but its a Elite model 7ft, medium power, fast action, model USESP701M
RiverDave reply :
Okay. That's the medium power Ugly Stik. The web site says it handles 1/4 to 5/8 oz. lures and 6 - 14 lb. test line. The extra length should help casting.
Load it up with a 1/4 to 1/2 oz weight and watch the reel and how the line flows off when you cast. That's the next factor in my opinion.
Get that out of the way and you can move on to techniques, what to throw, etc.
Good luck!
JazzPipes reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 11:08 AM, RiverDave said:Okay. That's the medium power Ugly Stik. The web site says it handles 1/4 to 5/8 oz. lures and 6 - 14 lb. test line. The extra length should help casting.
Load it up with a 1/4 to 1/2 oz weight and watch the reel and how the line flows off when you cast. That's the next factor in my opinion.
Get that out of the way and you can move on to techniques, what to throw, etc.
Good luck!
Thanks a lot my friend! I will take care of that!
Fishes in trees reply :
without going into details of your presentations issues, consider throwing a wobble head with a Zoom trick worm.. This will give you the swimming action you're looking for, wobble head will help with the casting distance issues. The wobble head is relatively easy to keep shallow, as long as you keep it moving.
Senko lover reply :
I use this technique all the time with the Rage Cut'R worm, fastest tail action of any worm. (or so they claim)
I rig it with a 3/0 Straight Shank hook, 1/4 oz. bullet weight pegged or sometimes I'll just leave it loose.
I've caught quite a few fish with that setup.
the reel ess reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 9:06 AM, JazzPipes said:I did, could not cast more than 10 feet. I was using a 6 ft rod with braided line.
I use a 7' MH spinning combo wit 20# Fireline for Zoom Trick Worms, rigged weightless. It gets the job done. You still won't be casting a mile, but you'll get it far enough. Might I suggest you try one of their "neon" colors like Bubble Gum, Methiolate or Limetreuse. They flat work.
Bassguytom reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 9:33 AM, JazzPipes said:What hook size would you use?
Depending on the size of the worm. Usually a 3/0 screw lock.
Mike L reply :
On 9/1/2015 at 6:18 PM, Senko lover said:I use this technique all the time with the Rage Cut'R worm, fastest tail action of any worm. (or so they claim)
I rig it with a 3/0 Straight Shank hook, 1/4 oz. bullet weight pegged or sometimes I'll just leave it loose.
I've caught quite a few fish with that setup.
Love dem Cut R's!
I throw mine on a 4/0 skip gap hook with the rudder up.
Mike
Raul reply :
Man you can weight your bait, but it doesn´t have to be a friggin 1 oz sinker.
Senko lover reply :
On 9/2/2015 at 12:02 AM, Mike L said:Love dem Cut R's!
I throw mine on a 4/0 skip gap hook with the rudder up.
Mike
And the nice thing is, literally within seconds, I can drop the worm and be fishing it like a normal texas rig.
Mike L reply :
On 9/2/2015 at 2:41 AM, Senko lover said:And the nice thing is, literally within seconds, I can drop the worm and be fishing it like a normal texas rig.
Or like a Shakey head, or wacky rigged and let that tail do it's thing, or cut in half and use as a trailer....want/need some real crazy action, put it on a scrounger head and throw it through grass just like a swim bait.
Point is it's a very versatile bait that can be used many different ways to give many different looks.
Mike
blckshirt98 reply :
Use any plastic just use a weighted hook!
CrazyFluker reply :
Not sure if its been said but I'd try a shakyhead. I like the way they stand them up.
WillBass24 reply :
If u have ever heard of a wake bait then that's the way to go. It's a crankbait that only diving about 1/2-1ft deep and they are sometimes very deadly. Also 4 inch tube jigs and just throw it out and jig it eradicaly all the way back
massrob reply :
I don't know why you can't cast far it doesn't make sense to me. But once you can cast try buzzing the surface with any type of plastic I love the rage cutr worm but really anything can be buzzed. Most of the ponds that I fish are just like Jamaica pond infested with weeds. I just throw topwaters all day so I don't have to mess with the weeds.
Mike L reply :
Another option that is just a killer this time of year down here is a magnum speed worm.
You can skim it across the top or swim it at your target range.
I use an unweighted 4/0 Skip Gap hook.
Mike
hatrix reply :
Just use a couple small splitshots and a spinning reel. It's basically a mojo rig and that is basically a Carolina rig or fished like one. I do it quite often at weedy places with a trick worm and it usually kills them. It will rest right on top of the weeds. It is a super deadly technique when it's like a million degrees out and fishing is terrible.
Cyacnba reply :
You can catch bass with top water frogs in JP early in the morning and afternoon. Also, if you go to the boathouse, you can see bunch of bass. I've caught a bunch using the Rage tail crawfish and Thomas Buoyant golden spoon. Last month, I caught a 5.5lbs and 2.5lbs bass on the Livetarget black frog as well.
everythingthatswims reply :
Put a trick worm or finesse worm on a 3/0 or 4/0 superline EWG hook. The extra weight of the hook helps it sink and dart better. Make sure you set the hook hard since it's harder to get a hook that big to penetrate.
timsford reply :
try a smaller weight like a 1/16oz, a larger hook and no weight, or a belly weighted hook like is used for swimbaits or rage rigs. what size reel are you using? a larger spool makes it easier to get longer casts. the rod could be a little longer, but i can cast a size 6 hook and a piece of crawler with no additional weight farther than 10ft on my old 5'6" medium original ugly stick spinning rod using a 2500 size reel and 10lb mono. some of the problem could be in your casting technique. try spreading your feet a little and step into it as you cast while using both hands to fling it out as hard as you possibly can
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