I went fishing today, been catching them, caught 15 last time at this small lake. But, they weren't biting the usual plastic worm. I threw a spinner bait and in ten minutes, lost two bass. Both of them jumped and threw the lure. Aargh. Part of it is, I like to feel them pull and I can horse them in quicker if I want to. I could get horsey with them when they jump. Jumps aren't good, lol, except they look good. Anyway, it made me think... that spinner bait, due to its construction, heavy head, gives the bass leverage to throw it. I wonder if it's the easiest lure for a bass to throw.
Larger Treble hook baits are notorious for being thrown by jumping bass.
A-Jay
You can keep them from jumping a lot of times by dipping your rod tip down and pulling straight back. This doesn't work too well if they are way out though. A soft rod can keep them from jumping as much also.
Soft tips and a little stretch all help remedy these problems.
I haven't had one throw my Megastrike Strikeback yet. I wasn't sure if it was a gimmick at first, but I'll be the first to say (in this thread) that it works.
Bigger treble hook baits......swimbaits, larger cranks. Also have had fish throw buzzbait/spinnerbaits. Treble hook baits I seem to have better success rate when I change out standard round bend trebles and go with the EWG short shank hooks. The just seem to stay buttoned better. Spinnerbait and buzzbaits are a crap shoot.
Bass can throw any lure. Sure you can use techniques and styles to minimize losing fish, but landing a bass is never a 100%
On 4/24/2015 at 4:31 AM, gulfcaptain said:Bigger treble hook baits......swimbaits, larger cranks. Also have had fish throw buzzbait/spinnerbaits. Treble hook baits I seem to have better success rate when I change out standard round bend trebles and go with the EWG short shank hooks. The just seem to stay buttoned better. Spinnerbait and buzzbaits are a crap shoot.
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Me too - I use the KVD 1x Strong 2x Short Triple Grip Treble Hook and the difference is significant enough that I change them ALL.
I have Mustad on speed dial . . .
A-Jay
Bass don't throw baits. We throw baits in an attempt to catch them.
On 4/24/2015 at 4:16 AM, Choporoz said:I haven't had one throw my Megastrike Strikeback yet. I wasn't sure if it was a gimmick at first, but I'll be the first to say (in this thread) that it works.
Does the bait claim to reduce throw it outs?
EDIT: I found this: "There are several reasons why Megastrike designed the StrikeBack Spinnerbait’s mid section to be jointed. With the head being stationary and the tail section being loose, the bait will vibrate more than a solid bodied spinner bait. With the StrikeBack Spinnerbait, the tail section swings freely 180 degrees and the fish inhales just the hook section into its mouth. When the bass gets hooked—it will instinctively jump to try to dislodge the bait. If the bait is in one piece and is stationary, this allows the bait to have the leverage to be thrown."
Hmmm... interesting!
Not just claim it....Bobby would be happy to explain the physics of why it DOES reduce thrown baits.
Topwaters have proven to be the worst for me.
unless horsing a soft tip is your best defense. agree with the tip down to keep them down but if they are coming out, I want my tip out
a Rapala Glidin rap would be easy to throw if a bass ever ate it.
heavier the lure, and shorter the bite of the hook, easier it is to throw. This is especially true when the hook is not fixed to the lure body (ie, most hooks that are attached by a split ring) In my tackle box, this would point to my 5oz swimbait with 5/0 treble hooks.
I hardly ever get a bass to throw a lure, because I keep a very tight line. Last year, only had 2 throws out of hundreds of catches. 1 on a frog, 1 on a jerkbait.
Never had a bass throw a spinnerbait. Only treble hook baits and frogs.
A 5/0 treble? That is a huge Hook!!!! That's like gator snagging size!On 4/24/2015 at 6:51 AM, bigturtle said:heavier the lure, and shorter the bite of the hook, easier it is to throw. This is especially true when the hook is not fixed to the lure body (ie, most hooks that are attached by a split ring) In my tackle box, this would point to my 5oz swimbait with 5/0 treble hooks.
I hardly ever get a bass to throw a lure, because I keep a very tight line. Last year, only had 2 throws out of hundreds of catches. 1 on a frog, 1 on a jerkbait.
I back reel to stop smallmouth from jumping. I started doing this last when an old timer told me about it. It works well.
Topwaters for me. It seems that fish never really get hooked well with a topwater lure. And minnow lures with those small hooks. Change them for large ones and you'll mess up the action. I caught a bunch of fish on a wacky worm last weekend I was using a 1/0 Gamakatsu finesse hook. I lost almost as many as I caught. But I'm just not used to setting the hook lightly. When I did hook up well with them, they were hooked deep in the mouth. And I lost a very good fish second time out this late winter on a spinnerbait. I can't imagine what I did wrong. Sometimes you just lose them.
When they try to jump drop your rod to the water and gently pull them sideways. If they go left, you pull right. They go right, you pull left. If they go straight away, get your tip up high. That will help a lot.
Top waters are the worst. If every lure you have gets thrown than I would attach different hooks to the lure such as gamukatsu
On 4/24/2015 at 8:00 AM, wuchr20 said:Top waters are the worst. If every lure you have gets thrown than I would attach different hooks to the lure such as gamukatsu
Yeah, Gamakatsu worm hooks and Fireline have been responsible for me landing more fish lately. I don't need a bone-jarring hookset with this combo. I've never been great a setting the hook with a spinning rod.
On 4/24/2015 at 7:11 AM, basshole8190 said:A 5/0 treble? That is a huge Hook!!!! That's like gator snagging size!
you snag gators with a 5/0 treble hook? do you know how big a 5/0 actually is
whichever bait i happen to be throwing and my PB is on the line....i didn't think anyone ever lost small fish
an 8 inch huddleston is very easily thrown by a bass, with all that weight near the front its like a giant 5 ounce jig.
On 4/24/2015 at 8:13 AM, bigturtle said:you snag gators with a 5/0 treble hook? do you know how big a 5/0 actually is
I know how big a 2/0 is and that's as big as I'll ever need for fishing for green fish or any freshwater fish. And yes when gator fishing in eufala the guys use anywhere from a 5/0 up to 10/0 treble on braid and a heavy setup to snag em.
Lipless/traps are the ones that plague me most.
Top water #1....Crankbaits #2....Spinnerbaits #3
Like someone said earlier.... Quality "Sharp Hooks" Huge difference.....Ratio hookup will increase for sure! Gama,Owner,Mustad,VMC
Moderate rod will help on the crankbaits!
Slap on a trailer hook to your spinnerbaits & they won't be throwing it ever again
On 4/24/2015 at 9:04 AM, basshole8190 said:I know how big a 2/0 is and that's as big as I'll ever need for fishing for green fish or any freshwater fish. And yes when gator fishing in eufala the guys use anywhere from a 5/0 up to 10/0 treble on braid and a heavy setup to snag em.
Fish up here are bigger than what you have down there if 2/0 is all you ever need. we have 30lb+ musky and pike that require 4/0-7/0 hooks up here in Canada. Large 7lb+ bass occasionally hit lures with 5/0 hooks too.
5/0 hook looks tiny to me if you are using it to snag alligator gars.
On 4/24/2015 at 9:16 AM, Jeff H said:Lipless/traps are the ones that plague me most.
This. Surprised no one mentioned this before.
Buzzbaits and spinnerbaits for sure.
Finding recently bladed jigs can get thrown a lot. Only happens when the bass choke it, and you hook that soft fleshy part inside their mouth. Just pulls through.
On 4/24/2015 at 3:58 AM, A-Jay said:Larger Treble hook baits are notorious for being thrown by jumping bass.
A-Jay
yup
yet oddly enough, the same baits are great at being totally engulfed by things with teeth, that you pray bites you off so you ain't got to go in that cave of razor teeth to get it out, but those are the times when even 4lb line becomes like steel.
Whatever lure you happen to be using in a critical moment during a tournament..........................is the lure most likely to be thrown by a bass.
On 4/24/2015 at 9:31 AM, bigturtle said:Fish up here are bigger than what you have down there if 2/0 is all you ever need. we have 30lb+ musky and pike that require 4/0-7/0 hooks up here in Canada. Large 7lb+ bass occasionally hit lures with 5/0 hooks too.
5/0 hook looks tiny to me if you are using it to snag alligator gars.
Catch 30lb+ stripers on 2/0 or less hooks. Also know of a few guys on here(myself included) who use 11" swimbaits or bigger with 2/0 hooks or less and they catch musky and pike in the 40"+ range.
On 4/24/2015 at 5:32 AM, Senko lover said:Topwaters have proven to be the worst for me.
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On 4/24/2015 at 11:34 AM, basshole8190 said:Catch 30lb+ stripers on 2/0 or less hooks. Also know of a few guys on here(myself included) who use 11" swimbaits or bigger with 2/0 hooks or less and they catch musky and pike in the 40"+ range.
too small
On 4/24/2015 at 9:19 AM, aprilbass101 said:Top water #1....Crankbaits #2....Spinnerbaits #3
Like someone said earlier.... Quality "Sharp Hooks" Huge difference.....Ratio hookup will increase for sure! Gama,Owner,Mustad,VMC
Moderate rod will help on the crankbaits!
Slap on a trailer hook to your spinnerbaits & they won't be throwing it ever again
Not all sharp hooks help when it comes to spinnerbaits!!! I've been making spinnerbaits for just about 17 yeas now and there use to be 2 brands of hook I wouldn't use but now there are 3, Gamakatsu, Owner, and Trokar, and this is even with a trailer hook. I only use Mustad and VMC spinnerbait hooks, and that is because I was trying out some Gamakatsu hooks on my spinnerbaits about 10-12 years ago, I was catching smallmouth and I would lose about 1 out of 4 and I could not understand why until I landed a fish and as soon as I lipped it and took the pressure off the line, the spinnerbait fell out and it was then when I learned a good lesson. Gamakatsu, Owner, and Trokar are hooks that use a cutting point, that means they have multiple edges that cut like a knife, Mustad, VMC, and Eagle Claw have needle points (Owner makes an Aberdeen hook with a needle point now), needle points have a single sharp point and it pierces throught the fish's mouth rather than cuts through it. So, when you throw a spinnerbait and the fish hits it from the side, if it gets the hook in the membrane part of the mouth and jumps and head shakes, the cutting points will actually tear a larger hole allowing the fish to turn an throw the bait. A softer rod helps but does not eliminate the problem but when I use needle point, round bend hooks my landing percentage is much higher. BTW, trailer hooks are good for short strikers, I once had a fish throw the main hook only to end up with the trailer hook sticking him in the gill and the fish was just about dead, after that I will no longer use a trailer hook, just my preference, but it doesn't keep them from throwing the bait.
On 4/24/2015 at 7:54 AM, Bassguytom said:I back reel to stop smallmouth from jumping. I started doing this last when an old timer told me about it. It works well.
What does back reel mean?
On 4/24/2015 at 7:09 PM, livemusic said:What does back reel mean?
Disengage your reels anti reverse so the reel handle turns backwards. I do this in favor of using the drag but no idea how you would do it to stop a fish from jumping?
On 4/24/2015 at 5:53 PM, smalljaw67 said:Not all sharp hooks help when it comes to spinnerbaits!!! I've been making spinnerbaits for just about 17 yeas now and there use to be 2 brands of hook I wouldn't use but now there are 3, Gamakatsu, Owner, and Trokar, and this is even with a trailer hook. I only use Mustad and VMC spinnerbait hooks, and that is because I was trying out some Gamakatsu hooks on my spinnerbaits about 10-12 years ago, I was catching smallmouth and I would lose about 1 out of 4 and I could not understand why until I landed a fish and as soon as I lipped it and took the pressure off the line, the spinnerbait fell out and it was then when I learned a good lesson. Gamakatsu, Owner, and Trokar are hooks that use a cutting point, that means they have multiple edges that cut like a knife, Mustad, VMC, and Eagle Claw have needle points (Owner makes an Aberdeen hook with a needle point now), needle points have a single sharp point and it pierces throught the fish's mouth rather than cuts through it. So, when you throw a spinnerbait and the fish hits it from the side, if it gets the hook in the membrane part of the mouth and jumps and head shakes, the cutting points will actually tear a larger hole allowing the fish to turn an throw the bait. A softer rod helps but does not eliminate the problem but when I use needle point, round bend hooks my landing percentage is much higher. BTW, trailer hooks are good for short strikers, I once had a fish throw the main hook only to end up with the trailer hook sticking him in the gill and the fish was just about dead, after that I will no longer use a trailer hook, just my preference, but it doesn't keep them from throwing the bait.
The piercing vs cutting statement makes lots of sense.
Blade baits are my plague of bass throwing hooks.
And when you get down to it,what does it matter if you lose a few fish,its usually c & r .
C22
The last two outings I've had a squarebill spit back at me, twice. Of course I landed the crappie and catfish that decided they wanted to eat it.
Lipless cranks on a fast tip rod....