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rchiuz reply :
Hi all,
Was doing some frog fishing this morning and my frog decided to leave me lol. I was doing an overhead cast and the braid knotted on the spool. All I saw was my frog Bomb out to the Lily pads. Any one has a solution to this? Should I avoid trying to whip it out there!
Any advise is appreciated as I am still learning to frog. At least I got one fish on. The frog before it was gone lol
WRB reply :
What knot did you tie?
Tom
Dave Jakes reply :
Did the line break at the knot to the frog, at the knot in the spool, or somewhere in the middle?
rchiuz reply :
The line somewhere connected to frog. The knot was a San Diego Jam Knot
ABW reply :
Use a palomar instead.
FinCulture reply :
PALOMAR KNOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also it helps if you have a good amount of line between the frog and the rod tip before you cast to avoid backlashes. Also check your settings on your reel and adjust if needed.
rchiuz reply :
Thanks will try that on my next frog trip
lectricbassman reply :
Thats happened to me...twice! Palomar knot and check it or retie OFTEN if your fishing in the nasty stuff!
MIbassyaker reply :
For braid, I double the palomar knot for good measure -- make a second overhand knot before putting the lure/hook through the loop end.
Just make sure to wet the line well before cinching.
5 Dollar Fishing Game reply :
Braid does not do well with the San Diego jam. I always use Palomar for braid!!!
BassinLou reply :
Sorry to hear about your frog, that's why you have spares.
rchiuz reply :
On 9/14/2015 at 8:02 AM, BassinLou said:Sorry to hear about your frog, that's why you have spares.
LOL, all that does is make me want to buy more
BassinLou reply :
On 9/14/2015 at 8:10 AM, rchiuz said:LOL, all that does is make me want to buy more
I lost a frog myself yesterday. Its just one of those things that happens. Soooooo.... I will just have to buy 2 to replace the one I lost. Lol!!
buzzed bait reply :
what size braid were you using?
this happens with braid. even the palomar knot will snap off when you cast and hit a snag/backlash. i did this recently with a megabass giant dog x and saw my $20 bait sail through the air..... luckily i was able to cast another lure out and eventually snag my lure back.
it's impossible to tell since you can't find/see your lure, but it's very possible that the line broke above your terminal knot....
all that said, i would still suggest a palomar knot for the future....
tonesfoyobones reply :
On 9/14/2015 at 4:35 AM, MIbassyaker said:For braid, I double the palomar knot for good measure -- make a second overhand knot before putting the lure/hook through the loop end.
Just make sure to wet the line well before cinching.
Couldn't of said it any better myself.
Choporoz reply :
You must be terribly relieved! What a stroke of luck. First off, now you have a good reason to feed the monkey...not like we need a reason, but you CAN'T be without a frog. Second, I consider it great luck that you lost it on the cast. That knot was NOT going to hold up to pulling a personal best out of a field of lily pads. That would have sucked far worse.
wnybassman reply :
My gut feeling is it has nothing to do with the knot. I fish cranks with braid, and still occasionally sail one off the line from time to time. This happens when I try to get just a little more "uumph" out of my cast than I should, and about halfway out there, the line tangles on the spool just a touch stopping the spool dead. Something has to give, and it is always the line. Fortunately, in a boat, I can go retrieve the bait and never once have I picked it up and not had at least some line left on the bait, anywhere from 6 inches to 30 feet, depending where a weak spot might have been. I use 30 pound braid for this. Once I figured out what I was doing wrong, this issue has nearly gone away.
By you saying "Should I avoid trying to whip it out there!" makes me believe you were trying to get a little more than you should have as well.
boostr reply :
I use the Trilene knot, and never had a problem.
bigbill reply :
I'm not sure what my knot is called but I run the line three times through the eye, then twist the line, pull it to chinch it but stop the run the end through the open part near the eye twice then wet it and chinch it tight. Never had a knot come apart again.
*Hank reply :
Ya, a Palomar knot would help a lot!
corn-on-the-rob reply :
On 9/14/2015 at 4:57 AM, 5 Dollar Fishing Game said:Braid does not do well with the San Diego jam. I always use Palomar for braid!!!
wait what? This is not true.
BassinLou reply :
On 9/15/2015 at 7:44 AM, wnybassman said:My gut feeling is it has nothing to do with the knot. I fish cranks with braid, and still occasionally sail one off the line from time to time. This happens when I try to get just a little more "uumph" out of my cast than I should, and about halfway out there, the line tangles on the spool just a touch stopping the spool dead. Something has to give, and it is always the line. Fortunately, in a boat, I can go retrieve the bait and never once have I picked it up and not had at least some line left on the bait, anywhere from 6 inches to 30 feet, depending where a weak spot might have been. I use 30 pound braid for this. Once I figured out what I was doing wrong, this issue has nearly gone away.
By you saying "Should I avoid trying to whip it out there!" makes me believe you were trying to get a little more than you should have as well.
I agree with this post. Reading carefully to what happened to the OP, the majority is quick to jump on the knot. I am sure if we were to find that frog, the knot will be in place and the line snapped elsewhere. Bad knots slip, they don't "snap"
boostr reply :
On 9/15/2015 at 11:41 AM, bigbill said:I'm not sure what my knot is called but I run the line three times through the eye, then twist the line, pull it to chinch it but stop the run the end through the open part near the eye twice then wet it and chinch it tight. Never had a knot come apart again.
The "BigBill" knot...
buzzed bait reply :
On 9/15/2015 at 7:44 AM, wnybassman said:My gut feeling is it has nothing to do with the knot. I fish cranks with braid, and still occasionally sail one off the line from time to time. This happens when I try to get just a little more "uumph" out of my cast than I should, and about halfway out there, the line tangles on the spool just a touch stopping the spool dead. Something has to give, and it is always the line. Fortunately, in a boat, I can go retrieve the bait and never once have I picked it up and not had at least some line left on the bait, anywhere from 6 inches to 30 feet, depending where a weak spot might have been. I use 30 pound braid for this. Once I figured out what I was doing wrong, this issue has nearly gone away.
By you saying "Should I avoid trying to whip it out there!" makes me believe you were trying to get a little more than you should have as well.
Precisely
PAGreg reply :
I've had this same thing happen. 40# Smackdown, palomar knot. Line snapped in the middle of the spool. I had to take the spool out of the reel to finally dig the tag end out as it was buried.
flippinbassinKY reply :
The reason your frog broke off during that backlash is because braid has 0 stretch.
This means that when all that sudden pressure is put on the line, something has to give, wich would be the weak point in your line.
The weak point could have been a place in your line, or the knot.
boostr reply :
You have to really whip that frog to get it to snap the braid. A hollow body frog doesn't weigh that much.
bigbill reply :
On 9/16/2015 at 12:19 AM, boostr said:The "BigBill" knot...
I lost $30 worth of new lures in 15 minutes. I was in a rush to fish. My casting was way off. Everything was hanging in the trees. This was twenty years ago. We bought a lot for $30. Funny I been good ever since but I did tripple loop my knot. Some days it happens.
hatrix reply :
I have never had a issue with a SDJ and braid. And if it doesn't work well with braid thays news to me. His line stopped mod cast and it snapped the braid is all.
ClackerBuzz reply :
On 9/15/2015 at 7:55 PM, BassinLou said:I agree with this post. Reading carefully to what happened to the OP, the majority is quick to jump on the knot. I am sure if we were to find that frog, the knot will be in place and the line snapped elsewhere. Bad knots slip, they don't "snap"
x3.
any knot and even 80lb braid will snap during a backlash. adjust ur reel and equally important is to follow through with ur cast. if you abruptly stop ur rod/cast short u will backlash every time. make sure to cast thru to finish pointing ur rod tip at 12 o'clock ie ur target. casting from 6pm and stopping at 2pm will cause that snap will all hate
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