shimano ? i just don't understand 2024
bronzeback01 reply :
I know that i'm going to get a lot of crap for this but i have a sustain 2500 fb and from day one i've never been happy with it. The rotor has play and the handle has play so i haven't bought a shimano reel for years .Tonight i thought i'd give them another chance so i went to bass pro and looked at the stradic mgfb 159.99 the sustain fe 249.00 and the stella 3000 fd .I'll give them the stella , it's extremely nice BUT it's also 650.00 ,the new sustain and the stradic both had play in the rotor and handle , granted not as much as the older one but it still had play even the salesman who is a diehard shimano guy was disgusted so i ended up leaving with another pfeluger supreme for 100.00 and NO play in the handle or rotor. SORRY SHIMANO FANS BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FACINATION WITH THESE PAPERWEIGHTS.
hawgchaser reply :
Shimano has a reputation for being durable. They have held up over the years better than many others. However, I will say that I think several companies have caught up to them. I don't get the fascination either. I fish with curados, some older citicas, and several spinning reels. IMO the Bass Pro Extreme reels are just as good as a curado. I do not see one single advantage to the curados.
I know that a lot of folks will argue this BUT the extreme reels are every bit as smooth, more durable(see my post from a few weeks ago below), and half the price. There are many other reels that are just as nice. However, shimano makes a darn good real.
http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1207490444/3#3
KU_Bassmaster. reply :
I am a Shimano guy, but I have and have had just about all main brands in the past. I agree there are nicer reels out there that have the "bling" factor that catch anglers at first.
The difference I have found with Shimanos is that they will actually be catching fish for years and years to come. In MY findings they stand the test of time better than any other brand I have ever used. That's what is most important to me.
Redlinerobert reply :
I'm not a shimano guy. Hving said that, the only shimano reels that I do have that I wont sell are the Stella 3000 and Core. I hate the play in the Core's handle, but it is a good,light reel.
There are better reel designs from Daiwa at similar price points.
roadwarrior reply :
I've been a Shimano fan for a little more than eleven years. Although I have given my older, introductory models away to friends, every Shimano reel I have ever owned is still in use and continues to perform as well or better than the day they were purchased.
Strong, smooth, silent and reliant. These are attributes incorporated in every Shimano reel. This company has grown their reputation by building reels that have stood the "test of time". As competators are forced to improve their product offerings, we all benefit. Individually, there will be preferences among brands and models, but it seems they are all still "compared" to the standard, and Shimano has set the bar high.
8-)
jbasscus reply :
I have a Calais 4X8 DC and a Stella 400FB. I couldnt' be happier with either reel. I also have a Steez which I also couldn't be happier with. It's just like guitars or just about anything else for that matter, good to have more than one company to choose from. IMHO
guest reply :
Abu-Garcia and Pflueger products last just as long. Actually a lot of the older guys here have old ABU round reels they have been using for over 2 decades.
Alpster reply :
QuoteAbu-Garcia and Pflueger products last just as long. Actually a lot of the older guys here have old ABU round reels they have been using for over 2 decades.
I still have a Shimano Bantam that's more than 30 years old and It still fishes like new. Not trying to argue or defend, just stating a fact.
All of the major reel manufactures make awesome reels nowadays, but for some reason, fans of other brands seem to feel a need to attack and degrade Shimano reels. I honestly don't understand it.
Ronnie
dave reply :
The reason you get bit in the butt is because your in front. 
senile1 reply :
QuoteQuoteAbu-Garcia and Pflueger products last just as long. Actually a lot of the older guys here have old ABU round reels they have been using for over 2 decades.I still have a Shimano Bantam that's more than 30 years old and It still fishes like new. Not trying to argue or defend, just stating a fact.
All of the major reel manufactures make awesome reels nowadays, but for some reason, fans of other brands seem to feel a need to attack and degrade Shimano reels. I honestly don't understand it.
Ronnie
Well put, Ronnie. Like others, I like Shimano for the reliability and consistency. My first Shimano was also a Bantam and it was a reliable tool for years. I would agree that some manufacturers are right there with Shimano and some are making products that possibly surpass Shimano's quality. But Shimano has never let me down. The competition among the manufacturers will only lead to better reels from all of them in the future.
tyrius. reply :
QuoteSORRY SHIMANO FANS BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FACINATION WITH THESE PAPERWEIGHTS.
Thanks for yelling. I don't think I would have got your point if you had used lower case letters.
What's the big deal with this so called "play" anyways? Do mean that the anti reverse allows the spool and handle to turn a microscopic amount? Do you think that is really going to affect your fish catching? There's a saying about mountains and molehills, you're yelling about paperweights certainly fits it.
guest reply :
Ronnie I don't knock Shimanos. The only one I have, Well Elaine has was a gift from RW, it is a Stradic and a fine reel. In relaity, if you look at these forums a lot of Shimano guys talk down other brands, some who never used the other brands, it is not to hard to find Shimano guys talking down other reels here at all, almost every few pages or so. I believe like you there are a lot of maufacturers making excellent reels basically we all use waht we like , and like Lady Day BILLIE HOLIDAy says' Taint nobody's business but my own"
This forum is very Shimano heavy and biased, I am sure some comes from long time experience and some guys just are talking outta the other ends of their bodies ;D
senile1 reply :
Dom, I always took any comments you have made about Shimanos as jokes and good fun . . . . like the text below your avatar. I always think of Blazing Saddles when I read that. "Badges?! We don't need no stinking badges!"
guest reply :
Hey Ed: I don't really have any opionion on Shimano products, because it's not what I use. I put that up to give the Sherriff (RW) some heartburn :
Many of my friends use them and love them, most of my friends here use Pfluegers and ABU's , including myself. They are great products and I can say this from fishing them.
Grey Wolf reply :
QuoteI know that i'm going to get a lot of crap for this but i have a sustain 2500 fb and from day one i've never been happy with it. The rotor has play and the handle has play so i haven't bought a shimano reel for years .Tonight i thought i'd give them another chance so i went to bass pro and looked at the stradic mgfb 159.99 the sustain fe 249.00 and the stella 3000 fd .I'll give them the stella , it's extremely nice BUT it's also 650.00 ,the new sustain and the stradic both had play in the rotor and handle , granted not as much as the older one but it still had play even the salesman who is a diehard shimano guy was disgusted so i ended up leaving with another pfeluger supreme for 100.00 and NO play in the handle or rotor. SORRY SHIMANO FANS BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FACINATION WITH THESE PAPERWEIGHTS.
Way to stir the pot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bronzeback01 reply :
The big deal with play is that a fishing reel that cost $250.00 should not have any play at all , it's pretty sad that a 99.00 reel has no play or a 110 diawa has no play but a 229 or 250 dollar shimano does.
Dan: reply :
I should preface this by saying I don't know that much about reels but I am a fan of Shimano and Pflueger but not enough to bias me against other reels...
but just because something costs more and doesn't have one feature doesn't make it worse. A Rolls Royce without power windows is still a nicer vehicle than a Ford Escort that does...even though it costs more but lacks one feature.
djmax22 reply :
I started out using ABU ambassadors many years ago before switching to Shimano. Last year I decided to give a Pfleuger President instead of buying the redesigned Curado. It is a solid reel. I havent tried a Revos yet, but all many people on this forum have postive things to say about them.
My money still goes to Shimano just because of past performance. However, it seems like the competition has caught up and that is good things for all consumers. The proof is in the pudding. The shimnao curado is getting redesigned once again.
guest reply :
Ford Escort NOW THERE"S A PAPER WEIGHT
Hawg Fan reply :
They must have something good about them, because the cream rises to the top.
.RM. reply :
IMPO don't try to understand it.
Just use what you can afford these days, and what you feel good with....
Tight Lines!!!!
roadwarrior reply :
QuoteThe big deal with play is that a fishing reel that cost $250.00 should not have any play at all , it's pretty sad that a 99.00 reel has no play or a 110 diawa has no play but a 229 or 250 dollar shimano does.
The "play" is designed into the reel to protect the gearing. Other companies have decided this is not important to them. This has nothing to do with engineering tolerances or craftmanship, it is a feature Shimano feels is important.
tyrius. reply :
QuoteThe big deal with play is that a fishing reel that cost $250.00 should not have any play at all , it's pretty sad that a 99.00 reel has no play or a 110 diawa has no play but a 229 or 250 dollar shimano does.
Why shouldn't it? What's the impact to the reel's ability to catch fish?
guest reply :
QuoteIMPO don't try to understand it.Just use what you can afford these days, and what you feel good with....
Tight Lines!!!!
WHAT HE SAID, thats it RW Case Closed Mooks!!!!!!!!! 8-)
Dan: reply :
that's true, even a well maintained Ford Escort can get you from point a to b like a Rolls.
roadwarrior reply :
Well...
"I don't need no stinkin Shimano Reels"
8-)
Hawg Fan reply :
What do you use RW?
jbsoonerfan reply :
I really wanted to stay out of this, but here goes.
In fishing as well as everything in life, people are going to think what they use is the best. Those that fish with Shimano think they are the best. Those that drive Chevy's think they are the best. Those that wear Nike's think they are the best. Those that play Titleist irons think they are the best. Those that use Goodyear tires think they are the best. Well I think you get the point. I have heard this reliable, with stood the test of time, this that and the other until I am sick of it. Abu has been making fishing reels as long or longer than Shimano, yet because they design a new reel, the Revo, people say "Let's see how they hold up over time" Why? Abu has been around forever. Why when Shimano redesigned the Curado was this question not asked. I know the "possee" is going to think I am talking nonsense, but I was once where you were as well. I fished Shimano's for 8-10 years, then decided to give Daiwa's a try. Was there anything wrong with my SHimano's? NO. I was just willing to give something else a try. After having made the switch, there are actually a few things that I like better about the Daiwa's. But I will never say that Shiamano makes a bad reel. They make a great reel. But those who use Shimano's don't want to think that there are other reels out there that are as good or better. In the end it all comes down to personal preference. Same as with trucks, shoes, golf clubs, or tires. It all depends on what you prefer. Because generally what we prefer, we also preceive as better, when that may not always be the case.
tyrius. reply :
QuoteBecause generally what we prefer, we also preceive as better, when that may not always be the case.
Well said.
I'm merely trying to figure out why this backplay "issue" weighs so heavily on some people's minds. I honestly can not think of a situation where it would negatively affect the reel's ability to function.
guest reply :
He Ty some guys think it can cost hookups when setting the hook :
roadwarrior reply :
QuoteWhat do you use RW?
Just trying to lighten up the thread...
I fish Shimano, but...
I recently received a Revo STX as a gift...
So, now I'm a Divo Revo, too!
:
bronzeback01 reply :
RW if the play is engineered into the reel to "protect the gearing"why doesn't the 650.00 stella have any play in the handle or rotor ?
Mike-in-WV reply :
Well said jbdaiwafan!
Some people feel that there should not be any play or slop in there reel for the money they paid for it. Whats it hurt?, maybe nothing but that's not the point.For the money you pay for a decent reel today the engineering should be just about flawless. If Shimono Say's they built that slop into there handle on purpose I find it very hard to swallow but I'm not an engineer or even close so it could be possible. The bottom line is try one before you buy it and if it bothers you don't buy it or take it back right away and get your money back.
Shimono has been manufacturing reels for many years and I will not knock them but I sure wont say they are the best either. Mike
roadwarrior reply :
QuoteRW if the play is engineered into the reel to "protect the gearing"why doesn't the 650.00 stella have any play in the handle or rotor ?
Don't know, but it could be a marketing ploy to make
some people think it's now a "better reel". I have three
of the old, shabby Stella FBs and they all have a little give.
8-)
Grey Wolf reply :
This is almost as bad as a dicussion on religon or politics.
tyrius. reply :
QuoteHe Ty some guys think it can cost hookups when setting the hook :
Ahh, so it's a "confidence" thing?
Good thing I don't put much stock in that either.
Maybe I'll go check my Citica's and Symetre to see how much line actually released during the backplay. My guess is that it would be in the fractions of an inch. Yeah THAT is going to affect setting a hook.
tyrius. reply :
QuoteFor the money you pay for a decent reel today the engineering should be just about flawless. If Shimono Say's they built that slop into there handle on purpose I find it very hard to swallow but I'm not an engineer or even close so it could be possible.
If you are saying that you're not even close to an engineer then why do you "find it very hard to swallow" and/or "all that slop"? What's the basis for that opinion?
jbsoonerfan reply :
QuoteThe "play" is designed into the reel to protect the gearing. Other companies have decided this is not important to them. This has nothing to do with engineering tolerances or craftmanship, it is a feature Shimano feels is important.
RW, do you have any evidence to back up this claim?
roadwarrior reply :
Nothing more than conversations with Shimano representatives. I suspect David Green has tired of this thread, but if he happens to see this question, he might address the issue.
jbsoonerfan reply :
Cool, just wondering.
Raul reply :
You don 't like Shimano ? -----> Don 't buy Shimano
Alpster reply :
QuoteYou don 't like Shimano ? -----> Don 't buy Shimano
I'd say that pretty much covers it.
guest reply :
Well it's that time again fellas :who wants some?
2 more pages tops :-X
Raul reply :
QuoteWell it's that time again fellas :who wants some?
With butter ? cuz if it ain 't with butter don 't count me in.
guest reply :
I put butter, Creole Seasoning and Romano cheese on mine 8-)
roadwarrior reply :
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