I was looking at this reel to start me out in the bait casting world. Found it for 100.00 which seems like a good deal to me. I was curious what ppl thought.
I'm planning on using it to throw everything from weightless t-rigged worms to small top water swimbaits, crankbaits and everything in between. I'm hoping to match it to a 7' St. Croix Avid bait casting rod.
I'm EXTREMELY new to the baitcasting world and I'm just trying to put together a quality all around beginners outfit. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
this is the EXACT reel I'm talking about
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pflueger-Summit-Baitcast-Reel-New-Box-/400131670696?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
The number of bearings in a reel really doesn't mean anything if they aren't a good quality bearing. I'm not saying that reel doesn't have good bearings, it may or may not.
I have one and bought it when I was just getting into low profile baitcasting. Overall I like the reel, but it doesn't really blow my hair back. In general it is super smooth all the way around. However, I do have a few complaints. The reel does not like to throw light stuff, and it seems to prefer mono or braid instead of top-shoting floro. I also "lightly" stepped on the reel one of the first times I fished it and the handle bent. I was able to bend it back easily, but that was almost just as worrisome.
I don't own a Shimano Curado, but if I had to do it over again I would have saved the extra twenty bucks and prob snagged one of those based on what I have heard and read. The Citca is another good option if you can't find a deal on a Curado.
I have the narrow spool version. It is nice and light. The stock bearings are pretty good, and the reel is smooth. I do find the spool a little heavy for pitching lighter lures. For $100, I think it is a good deal.
I had one for a couple of years. It was an OK reel but it seemed to require a lot of TLC (lube and grease) to keep it smooth. They originally sold for $169 so $100 is not bad.
I have 3 of them and really like them use 1 with 15# floro for pitching jigs and soft plastics 1 with 12# p-line for worming and one with 15# mono for topwater and they all seem to perform really well as far as maintanice all I've done is a little cleaning and a little oil and grease at the start of the season and their still working just as well now as when they were new
Hey guys thanks a lot for the responses and input. All in all I'm thinking I might want to wait and pick something a little higher in quality up for my first all around baitcaster.
The rod I chose should be a good match for pretty much any decent baitcaster I'm thinking.
What about the Shimano Curado 300DSV? I'm all over the place on this I just want a good quality reel to start out with so I have a good experience and then I can move into more specialized reel/rod combo.
Again ppl thanks for all the input and anything anyone has to say on this matter is greatly welcomed, it's a lot to think about and a hard decision to make.
If you want something inexpensive, good quality, that will last you for a while. Pick up the BPS Pro Qualifier. New ones in the store retail at 100 bucks. I'm sure you can find them on Ebay cheaper. If not, they're on sale several times a year in the stores for 80 bucks. I beat the snot out of the ones I have, still work just fine.
Well I definitely want quality and don't need to go TOO cheap. I don't think I can pull a Daiwa Zillion type R but I might be able to get up into the 200 dollar range. There's a local store that has some pretty insane deals on some pretty decent gear, so I was trying to capitalize on that. But I don't want to make a decision just based on that. The Summit seemed to be the best low profile casting reel in the store.
I was looking at the shimano caenan as well, I don't know why the price is so low but the reel looks pretty good through my novice eyes.
Anyway thanks again for the suggestions keep them coming!!
the summit is a great reel and blows away anything shimano has close in pice.if your gonna spend what a curado costs get a pflueger patriarch instead.
Thanks again for the info.
Some ppl are saying the summit doesn't like to throw light lures which I do sometimes, so I'm kind of shying away from it. Just got up after a long night so I'm going to do some more researching today and hopefully make my decision in the next few days.
I'll check out what deals I can find on a patriarch too.
So I'm thinking I'm gonna go with the curado, there are SO many nice reviews.
Now I'm just wondering if I should go with the 300 over the 200. I'd like to be able to spool it up with some heavy line if I'm ever using it for some big guys or heavy cover.
If you are bass fishing, then I think the 300 is overkill. For working heavy cover, you still will not likely need thatm uch line, and teh 200 should be sufficient.
I actually had that same reel for almost a year. I really didnt like it. I sold it and bought a abu garcia orra and havent looked back. I would steer clear of it if i was you.
Are there downsides to a curado 300 over a 200, like does the 300 not do too well with smaller baits? Whats the upper end of what a 200 can handle?
I'm trying to match to a 7' mhf st croix avid if that helps.
Thanks again for the responses
300 For large swimbaits and big cranks. 50E for light weight and weightless. 200E for everything inbetween. 8-)
Thanks - looks like it's 200e cuz I want something right in the middle. I throw a lot of worms for bass but I want to be able to throw a variety of lures from smaller swimbaits to (if possible) weightless worms from time to time.
I'm thinking I don't necessarily need the 7:1 and should go with the e5 or is this a mistake?
You may not NEED all of the 7.1 but you can always slow down with a 7.1, you cant speed up with a 5. If you really want a 6.X:1 gear just buy the Citica gearing and replace. With the 200 you will be able to almost everything, including small swimbaits and weightless worms, but it wont excel in weightless like its little brother the 50E.
But definately go with the E7 unless your going to use it for cranking solely 8-)
Thanks for all the help man you sound like you know ur gear
Your welcome!
Dude, it's your first baitcaster. Throwing light bait is going to be hard with any reel! You're expecting too much out your equipment. It's learning to use a baitcaster (any brand) that you should focus on; IMHO of course.
I'm sure you won't be disappointed with a Curado but the Summit is a great reel, by the way.
i had the LP version (standard width) of the summit. meh, it was okay. very smooth but below average when it came to casting distance, especially the lighter the lure. i also found i didn't care for spin-on handles nor did i like the taper on the spool.
as for 300-size reels, too big and heavy for most bassing fishing.
I will admit that I am liking my Summit a lot more since I paired it with my new Daiwa Celio and spooled it up with 20# PP. I also changed the braking to where I only have 2 pins engaged on the brake. These changes have greatly increased my ability to throw lighter rigs with it. In fact it maybe become my new drop shot rod/reel.
got my 200e7 today hehe
I'm thinking 20# braid?? 30???
Flouro leader? Mono?? No leader??
lol I wanna get out and check this thing out!!
I would go w/ 40# braid at the lightest. Some people get away w/ 30, but the small line diameter can cause it to dig into the spool when under load.
I started w/ 30# when I was new to braid and quickly changed to 50#. I'm using power pro so I'm not sure what the diameters of other braids are off the top of my head.
Unless your in really clear water, a leader is not nec. IMO.
p.s. your going to love that reel!
haha thanks man!!
with the recent cold front I want to get out there so bad right now cuz I'm thinking the bite should be on but it's gonna be hard to make it work today, maybe some quick practice casts from shore lol I know a spot where I can catch a few 18"ers pretty quick from shore on a good day.
So I saw the "braid knot" on a web page, I was assuming I'd just use the same knots as I would for mono but do I have to tie diff knots for braid?
Go with 50# braid or higher (Samurai Braid is my preferred braid!).
Use the Palomar knot. It's dead simple and extremely effetive with braid.
Don't bother with a leader unless you know your uni-uni or Alberto knot well, and you're fishing gin-clear water. Even then... I was fishing 30+ foot visibility water for smallmouth bass a few weeks ago and had a fluoro leader for wacky rigs and tubes. I was OUTFISHED by my partner who had straight 50# braid in that rediculously clear of water. Leaders = useless, IMO. (On the other hand, sight-fishing in 30+ feet of water = incredibly fun!! The only thing better was topwater poppers in the same water and seeing a bronze missile come up from the bottom and get airborne on it!).
The Palomar knot is easy enough but the thing about it, to me, is if I have larger lures I'm trying to tie then at times it becomes awkward having to put a loop around the whole lure if you know what I mean.
It's not that big a deal but ideally I'd like to use a quicker knot.
As far as leaders, I messed around a little with the uni uni knot and didn't find it that hard, but to me it makes since that a leader probably isn't really needed so I'll start with no leader for now. Just gotta start somewhere and go from there.
I'm new this year to BC reels. I have 40 lb. Sufix Performance on one reel (Brand selected because of TT's review of 3 braided lines). According to the package, it is equivalent to 10 lb. mono (.013 dia.) I can attest to the fact that light lines (referring to mono) backlash easier than heavier lines. Also can attest to the fact that a light lure is much harder to throw than a heavier one. Can verify that it is easier to backlash a light lure than a heavy one. No doubt because I usually throw it harder. Can verify that throwing for the moon will cause more backlashes. :) ;D ;D
So based on my experience, I would suggest using a heavier line with a lure weight on the heavy side of the rod's lure rating to start off with. Don't muscle the rod at first. Braid is easier to cast without backlashing than other forms. It is also easier to pick out backlashes. So I've read. Haven't gotten a bird's nest with the braid yet, but I'm sure that is because I haven't used that rod/reel combo enough. 40 lb. is a bit overkill for where I have been fishing. Braid is also a lot more expensive. Because of this it has been suggested that a beginner start with a cost effective heavy mono. I've only had to cut some line off once. It was 8 lb. mono. Probably wouldn't have been necessary to cut it if it had been my reel that is spooled with 12 lb. mono. I've been told that 15-17 lb. is even better to start with. Plus it is the size line you may need if fishing in heavier cover than what I am fishing. One reason for my using 8 lb. line is because the water is relatively free of heavy cover.
All very good info - thanks man, good to hear the perspective of someone else who is new to the world of baitcasting