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dam0007 reply :
So I get my black Friday order in today, trying Quantum Hot sauce for the first time. Grab one of my babies, I mean Shimanos, take spool off, handle off, bail assembly off oil everything clean it nice. Put it back together just as I've done all my reels a million times over. And I spin the retrieve, sure enough there's a knocking every revolution. I'm thinking at this point how could this be? Could the 2 oils F something up?? Nahhh. So I take off just what I took off and look. Seems like the shaft was loose for whatever reason.
Now I've only fully disassembled one of my reels before and I didn't have a problem with that, (baitrunner 6500). So I say let's do it!
Full dissassemlbe remove all parts clean, re grease, reassemble. Ok retrieve won't turn. Dissassemble again reassemble 12 or so times, knocking almost gone but now anti reverse doesn't work.
I don't know what to do?
But further more can 2 oils damage a reel before I screw something on another reel up.??
iabass8 reply :
You should be flushing the bearings prior to adding more oil or a different kind of oil. You may not have (excuse my lack of part knowledge) put the piece that jolds the 2 springs under the handle plate back correctly. Tht would cause the small gear shaft that drives the spool to feel geary or grinding.
J Francho reply :
Is this a spinning reel?
dam0007 reply :
Just re did it again. Sealed bearings I don't know how to flush them.. But I did have it where it was silky smooth again but would only turn 4 times then stop. Got it working again but its back to grinding and anti reverse isn't working.
Yes spinning reel
RyneB reply :
throw the Hot Sauce in the garbage.
dam0007 reply :
@Iabass8 just re read ur post I took apart the roller bearing to check all the springs, just realized u mentioned different springs smh. There aren't any other springs except the switch on the front and that one is fine. I think it has something to do with the gear that has the little notch on it that goes against the grove part at the end of the shaft. If I purposely don't line it up its fine but doesn't spin more than 4 or so revolutions.
@RyneB Bad experience with it??
iabass8 reply :
get some acetone from any hardware store, take all the bearings out and put them each in a different small glass (shot glass works perfect). fill the cup up just a little over the bearing and swoosh it around and let it sit. you will see excess junk come out of them. use a pencil or a small screwdriver to just swoosh them around in the glass a few times. i've found that i have to shake them a few times to get all the junk out. give it 10-15 min a piece and then redo the process again. take them out and let them air dry. after they dry, spin them on a pencil or something that can free spool the bearing. they will free spool like crazy. place ONE drop of oil on each bearing. one drop goes a long way. put them back in the reel.
i will post a link to a shimano curado schematic that will give you an idea. part numbers 1419 (near the middle of the picture) are the 2 springs i'm referring to. if you don't place these in correctly on part 3575 the reel can feel rough. part 3965 is right above the springs on the schematic and that goes in or next to part 3575. make sure all these parts are put securely in place and aren't bouncing around. the yoke (3575) is what holds the spool in place and in turn allows it to turn the gears inside properly.
http://schematics.pl...9CU201E7_v1.pdf
as for hotsauce, lots of reel repair services don't advise using it and it also voids the warranty on some reels when you do use it. i don't really like it. i just use ardent reel oil and it works fine. just try not to mix different brands of oil and greese together. use one oil and one greese.
Bankbeater reply :
Man up and do what I did. Take it to a reel repair place and have them show you what you're doing wrong.
.RM. reply :
On 12/4/2012 at 9:16 AM, dam0007 said:So I get my black Friday order in today, trying Quantum Hot sauce for the first time. Grab one of my babies, I mean Shimanos, take spool off, handle off, bail assembly off oil everything clean it nice. Put it back together just as I've done all my reels a million times over. And I spin the retrieve, sure enough there's a knocking every revolution. I'm thinking at this point how could this be? Could the 2 oils F something up?? Nahhh. So I take off just what I took off and look. Seems like the shaft was loose for whatever reason.
Now I've only fully disassembled one of my reels before and I didn't have a problem with that, (baitrunner 6500). So I say let's do it!
Full dissassemlbe remove all parts clean, re grease, reassemble. Ok retrieve won't turn. Dissassemble again reassemble 12 or so times, knocking almost gone but now anti reverse doesn't work.
I don't know what to do?
But further more can 2 oils damage a reel before I screw something on another reel up.??
This is a spinning reel I assume "bail assembly"..
You probably have the antireverse stack behind the rotor stacked with the small white tab in the wrong place.
I would recommend that you open the reels schematic and look at the AR assemblies stacking and placement.
Your guessing at the problem when you aren't using the reels schematic for maintenance..
If you don't have a copy of the schematic, post the model number or send me an email with it, and, I will send you the schematic by return email.
Good Luck & Tight Lines!... 
J Francho reply :
QuoteYour guessing at the problem when you aren't using the reels schematic for maintenance.
That's it! Your guess about the AR stack would be my guess too. Flushing and oiling the bearings isn't going to resolve the issue. In fact, I prefer to grease main gear support bearings in my own spinning reels for better smoothness. This requires specialized tools, though, and a drop of oil is fine.
As far as the Hot Sauce goes, the oil is fine. The grease is garbage, though. Breaks down too quickly.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
I'll make it unanimous on the importance of schematics. As far as mixing lubes goes, the chances of incompatibility are greater mixing greases than oils. If two lubes are incompatible they will not cause instant catastrophic failure. They simply don't lube as well as they would otherwise. Best practice is to clean and degrease parts prior to relubing. Doin't worry about over oiling bearings in a spinning reel a they are for support and not speed.
FWIW, any manufacturer that tries to blame failure of their product on the lube I use will suffer my fullest wrath as a consumer.
dam0007 reply :
Thanks everyone for advise! Yes I went by the schematics I mustve broke something on it, gonna try the acetone on the bearings.
J Francho reply :
Quotegonna try the acetone on the bearings
That won't solve your AR issue. But it won't hurt either.
Mikey reply :
really more hype than actual help.... I use Daiwa oil or even Rem-oil is good.On 12/4/2012 at 10:57 AM, RyneB said:throw the Hot Sauce in the garbage.
.RM. reply :
Don't make it worse, box it up and send it in!...
Tight Lines All! 
roadwarrior reply :
On 12/5/2012 at 4:33 AM, .RM. said:Don't make it worse, box it up and send it in!...
Tight Lines All!
When the hole gets deep enough, quit digging!
dam0007 reply :
I could just return it to my buddies shop and swap it out no problem, but I would like to fix it if I could.
dam0007 reply :
Fixed the anti reverse was a dumb mistake I had a washer upside down. Other than that I repositioned the the 2 main gears instead of having the arrows aligned diagnoly I put them horizontal all clunking is gone and spins fast as hell but its not smooth at all and its loud..?? Used to be very quiet
iabass8 reply :
Lots of spinnning reels pack their bearings with grease so if you flsuh them it will lose thst butter smooth feeling. The bearings in a spinning reel dont act the same as in a baitcaster. Be careful eith the AR bearng. If you over oil it the AR can fail when its cold or will engage on its on when you set the hook. Id advise you to eother exchange it or send it in. Tampering with spinnjng reels can be the devil.
dam0007 reply :
Swapping it out tomorrow, never again will I dissassemble a new reel, or any reel for that matter. Lmaooo 3 nights fiddling with this thing and I know its the 2 main gears are not aligning properly regardless of the stupid arrows on them. I give up.
Also I looked into Hot Sauce a little bit more seems like quantum recommends you use their grease with the oil rather then just oiling alone on bearings. ??? Also the reviews of the stuff is really mixed so many people love it hate it or feel its same as regular oil. I prefer to have a quiet smooth reel over loud and fast.
shimmy reply :
ever read all the responses in a post and wish you had the knowledge of those posting...This site does this to a man. I kinda felt smart reading it though if that counts despite not knowing 99% of it. I will eventually have to learn the manliness way of reel maintenance after reading articles like this and then grow a beard and then go hunt something. Just plain awesomeness.
NBR reply :
What DVT said about spinning reels. Spinning reel shafts revolve at such a slow speed that except fot eliminating a bit of looseness I can't understand the need for ball bearings except for marketing reasons. Same with bait casters except for the bearings on the spool shaft and the anti-reverse roller bearing.
J Francho reply :
On 12/6/2012 at 10:46 PM, NBR said:What DVT said about spinning reels. Spinning reel shafts revolve at such a slow speed that except fot eliminating a bit of looseness I can't understand the need for ball bearings except for marketing reasons. Same with bait casters except for the bearings on the spool shaft and the anti-reverse roller bearing.
It has nothing to do with marketing. Marketing only points out a bearing count. It's where the bearings are located. Many less expensive reels use more bearings simply to keep parts aligned in a poorly made frame, or a frame made out of a flexible material. The shaft doesn't rotate at all, it's fixed, and the rotor rotates on the shaft, at gear ratios as high as 6:1. As far as bearings go, they keep gears precisely aligned, and provide durability where rotating parts come in contact with each other. The roller bearing, where the line takes a 90° turn is often overlooked, and if locked up, can cause serious twist and wear to line. Lower end reels will use a plastic bush in place of a bearing to reduce cost. These wear out, and gears will go out of alignment, cause early wear. Higher end reels will support BOTH ends of the main gear and pinion, and typically hold up a lot longer. Add in either worm gear or offset cam oscillation, and you'll see why spinning reels have so many bearings. Many higher end add in two bearings to support the spool on the shaft for better alignment and even payout when a fish is taking drag.
.RM. reply :
X2............On 12/6/2012 at 11:01 PM, J Francho said:It has nothing to do with marketing. Marketing only points out a bearing count. It's where the bearings are located. Many less expensive reels use more bearings simply to keep parts aligned in a poorly made frame, or a frame made out of a flexible material. The shaft doesn't rotate at all, it's fixed, and the rotor rotates on the shaft, at gear ratios as high as 6:1. As far as bearings go, they keep gears precisely aligned, and provide durability where rotating parts come in contact with each other. The roller bearing, where the line takes a 90° turn is often overlooked, and if locked up, can cause serious twist and wear to line. Lower end reels will use a plastic bush in place of a bearing to reduce cost. These wear out, and gears will go out of alignment, cause early wear. Higher end reels will support BOTH ends of the main gear and pinion, and typically hold up a lot longer. Add in either worm gear or offset cam oscillation, and you'll see why spinning reels have so many bearings. Many higher end add in two bearings to support the spool on the shaft for better alignment and even payout when a fish is taking drag.
OkobojiEagle reply :
On 12/6/2012 at 9:13 AM, dam0007 said:Swapping it out tomorrow
Be sure to tell them it worked just fine until you took it apart three times and couldn't put it back together. I'm certain they'll be ecstatic to exchange it for you.
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dam0007 reply :
My buddy owns the shop I could swap out something I bought at Walmart if I wanted too 
And it was like 300 times not just 3. Lmaooo
dam0007 reply :
So swapped out for the new reel today, my buddy said he's heard that the hot sauce works best when the reel desperately needs oil and that he doesn't have any experience with it of his own. So I was thinking about a old Shimano Sienna I have, $30 reel. This reel was bought for scenerio a buddy who doesn't have gear tags along. Any how so I get home reel was pretty rough, all I oiled was the right and left bearings of where the handle goes. Reeled a few times let it sit 10 mins or so later spinned it for idk maybe 200 cranks. Night and day difference. Still not smooth but much much better. Think I'll keep this stuff and try it out on some of my saltwater gear mid season next year.
LgMouthGambler reply :
That Sienna is a good little real. I just got one from NAFC. Put 30# braid with a YoZuri leader, and I use it for finesse fishing on a M action rod. This thing is smooth, and handle fish real nice. Its a 2500 series, and is perfect for small baits. Cheap, maybe, but perfoms like a $80 reel.
dam0007 reply :
Yea its def a cool budget reel.
slonezp reply :
On 12/6/2012 at 9:13 AM, dam0007 said:never again will I dissassemble a new reel.
You never heard "If it works don't fix it"
I'm a skilled tradesman. I posses skills men yearn for LOL. If my truck breaks down, I take it to a mechanic. If my boat motor breaks down, I take it to a mechanic. If my reel breaks down I take it to a mechanic. If my heat, a/c, or fridge breaks down, I fix it myself, I am a mechanic. Trying to save money, more often than not, ends up costing people more. You are very fortunate you have a buddy who can warranty your screw up.
dam0007 reply :
Well it was more of the initial work which I've done countless times and never a prob that caused the problem. Lol so yea ur right!
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