Hey guys, I was looking to get some more braided line and I was wondering is if there is any advantages (other than noise through guides) that the Superslick has over the original. I have always used power pro original on all my braided setups. Thanks in advance!
NOTE: This braid would be used on both baitcasters and spinning.
Great question! I also use the original formula and have wondered about the new "slick" braid. I hope we get some input from the forum members.
FL
On 2/25/2014 at 7:30 AM, FlipnLimits said:Great question! I also use the original formula and have wondered about the new "slick" braid. I hope we get some input from the forum members.
FL
x2, but from other posts, the SuperSlick gets good marks, much quieter than regular. However, time reveals all, and I'd like to see how it continues to perform for those who use it.
Personally, I've stuck with regular Power Pro, and always return to it after trying other brands. I just haven't been willing to pull the trigger on the SS yet.
I've used both in 50#. The superslick has a waxy coating on it that gives it that slick feeling, where as the regular does not. The slick is slightly less noisy, but not a ton. It is easier to tie and cinch knots with the superslick because of the coating. LIne to line knots are a breeze. As far as casting distance, I don't really notice much difference. Also, the superslick's color fades very quickly. I have the timber brown and it is now a light color after only a few trips. The regular takes a lot longer to reach the same level of color degredation. I like both, but in the future will probably just stick with the regular. I don't see the advantages justifying the cost difference for the superslick.
On 2/25/2014 at 7:39 AM, DarrenM said:x2, but from other posts, the SuperSlick gets good marks, much quieter than regular. However, time reveals all, and I'd like to see how it continues to perform for those who use it.
Personally, I've stuck with regular Power Pro, and always return to it after trying other brands. I just haven't been willing to pull the trigger on the SS yet.
The first braid I ever used was spiderwire and I hated It. Then I found my self using regular Power Pro. When I first saw the Superslick, I thought it was a great idea, but I never got some to try because I thought that eventually the coating would wear down on it.
Ive use reg pp for 10 years and PPs8S a couple of years now. Less noise and a bit more smoothness is about the only difference. Strength seems the same color retention the same. If not bothered by the noise save the money or get PPS8S on sale and try it.
On 2/25/2014 at 7:39 AM, DarrenM said:x2, but from other posts, the SuperSlick gets good marks, much quieter than regular. However, time reveals all, and I'd like to see how it continues to perform for those who use it.
Personally, I've stuck with regular Power Pro, and always return to it after trying other brands. I just haven't been willing to pull the trigger on the SS yet.
Darren, like you, I always go back after trying other brands. Sometimes I wonder why I even try other brands, as regular PP is really quite good. I've also heard SS is quieter but the original hasn't hurt my ears so not really a problem there Makes you wonder if we are victims of advertising as there is no fault with some of the original products we use.
On 2/25/2014 at 7:48 AM, FlipnLimits said:Darren, like you, I always go back after trying other brands. Sometimes I wonder why I even try other brands, as regular PP is really quite good. I've also heard SS is quieter but the original hasn't hurt my ears so not really a problem there Makes you wonder if we are victims of advertising as there is no fault with some of the original products we use.
Wouldn't be the first time I was caught in the Advertisor's net, LOL. My wife has called me an "Adverisor's dream". Something I have to control, and fortunately, the older I get, the more self-control I get. Heh. At least I hope so. I had the opportunity to buy SS last year, but as I looked at the different braids, I reached down and grabbed regular PP simply because I know it and am comfortable with it. Not sure I'll ever change. I do want to try Sufix 832 one of these days, but I just don't know if I will....
On 2/25/2014 at 7:46 AM, GaterB said:I've used both in 50#. The superslick has a waxy coating on it that gives it that slick feeling, where as the regular does not. The slick is slightly less noisy, but not a ton. It is easier to tie and cinch knots with the superslick because of the coating. LIne to line knots are a breeze. As far as casting distance, I don't really notice much difference. Also, the superslick's color fades very quickly. I have the timber brown and it is now a light color after only a few trips. The regular takes a lot longer to reach the same level of color degredation. I like both, but in the future will probably just stick with the regular. I don't see the advantages justifying the cost difference for the superslick.
Thank you for your reply. Spiderwire had/has a coating that came off and it was annoying, so switched to PP years ago. Sounds like no great improvements in the SS so staying with the original formula. Thanks!
On 2/25/2014 at 7:53 AM, DarrenM said:Wouldn't be the first time I was caught in the Advertisor's net, LOL. My wife has called me an "Adverisor's dream". Something I have to control, and fortunately, the older I get, the more self-control I get. Heh. At least I hope so. I had the opportunity to buy SS last year, but as I looked at the different braids, I reached down and grabbed regular PP simply because I know it and am comfortable with it. Not sure I'll ever change. I do want to try Sufix 832 one of these days, but I just don't know if I will....
Lol, don't we just love our wives!? My wife has a heart attack when I share the "fishing" bill with her. I am open about it and food money isn't spent on it so she's ok with that. Haven't tried Sufix braid but my partner has, he came back also, for what it's worth.
I switch to the SS in May and am now switching everything back. The wax coating is a little quieter but it is stiff and I don't like the way it casts. I'm going back to the original 100%
I began using PowerPro and switched one spinning setup to slick. I also didn't care for the waxy coating. I also found my knots would give with the slick. I switched back to regular.
I guess I am in the minority here because i like the super slick better. It doesn't seem to get that fray like the regular power pro does over time and it seems to be a smaller diameter but that may be attributed to the fray on regular PP. It does seem like the super slick is a little more abrasion resistant to so not sure if that is due to more strands or what but that is my experience when using it around rocks.
They are both really good though and i wouldn't hesitate using either one of them.
On 2/25/2014 at 7:53 AM, DarrenM said:Wouldn't be the first time I was caught in the Advertisor's net, LOL. My wife has called me an "Adverisor's dream". Something I have to control, and fortunately, the older I get, the more self-control I get. Heh. At least I hope so. I had the opportunity to buy SS last year, but as I looked at the different braids, I reached down and grabbed regular PP simply because I know it and am comfortable with it. Not sure I'll ever change. I do want to try Sufix 832 one of these days, but I just don't know if I will....
my personal experience with PP vs 832 is that PP wins that one every day. i can't say what the scientific reason/explanation is, but 832 will "kink" in the line just from taking your fingers and "folding" the line over. for some reason it just retains shapes or something really well which for me makes it a nightmare trying to cast. pitching and flipping, no problem, spinning gear, no problem, but trying to cast it out on a baitcaster is a miserable experience FOR ME…..
I have some left and will likely not even use it or perhaps save for some use later on but do not intend on spooling back up with 832 anytime soon. will be sticking to REGULAR PP from here on… the slick just doesn't feel right with that waxy coating
I much prefer suffix 832 over power pro super slick 8. I bought both in #30 last year and after a bit of fishing it became apparent that SS has got some problems. While it's super smooth to the touch and limp, it breaks down to an overly limp state much quicker than any other braid I've used. The stuff is already broken in out of the box, but because of this, don't expect it to live as long on the spool. I also experienced wind knots with SS. The line is very light weight and limp resulting in the wind picking it up on windy days.
832 was just as limp, casts just as far, stayed in a like new condition longer and wasn't affected by the wind.
On 2/25/2014 at 8:26 AM, flyfisher said:I guess I am in the minority here because i like the super slick better. It doesn't seem to get that fray like the regular power pro does over time and it seems to be a smaller diameter but that may be attributed to the fray on regular PP. It does seem like the super slick is a little more abrasion resistant to so not sure if that is due to more strands or what but that is my experience when using it around rocks.
They are both really good though and i wouldn't hesitate using either one of them.
Wow, I've had the exact opposite experience, I've found (the hard way) S8S to fray and cut much easier around wood and rock than regular PP. I was a huge S8S fan for about a year there but now I only have it spooled on one reel. I think S8S really shines anytime you need braid with a leader, as another poster already pointed out, S8S ties fantastic knots and IMHO casts and handles a bit better than regular PP. I lost a big fish while frog fishing last summer when I had 65# S8S cut on a small piece of wood like a hot knife through butter. Since that day I've only used it when attaching a leader. Still really like the braid just have no faith in it when tied directly to a lure.
S8S also casts and handles better to me on spinning gear, but again this is just my opinion.
I've tried 832 and while it's a good braid I just didn't care for it. It handles and fishes different than any other braid I've tried prior. Not a bad thing, as some prefer 832's characteristics, I on the other hand prefer PP, S8S, and P-Line Spectrex. I'm in the process of trying out some of Spiderwire's latest lines, Invisibraid and Ultimate, and I have to say I'm really impressed with both so far.
I'm actually a fan of super limp braid so S8S is great IMHO when broken in
I've tried quite a few brands of braid and Power Pro is still the best that I have used. I always seem to switch back to it. I have not tried the new Waxed Power Pro and I doubt I will.
I am going to switch all my 20lbs PP to yellow high vis. Does anyone know the yellow fades quicker in the regular or the slick?
I will take any 8 weave or higher braid over power pro any day. My favorite braid is Varivas , daiwa boat braid and daiwa samurai
On 2/25/2014 at 7:53 AM, DarrenM said:Wouldn't be the first time I was caught in the Advertisor's net, LOL. My wife has called me an "Adverisor's dream". Something I have to control, and fortunately, the older I get, the more self-control I get. Heh. At least I hope so. I had the opportunity to buy SS last year, but as I looked at the different braids, I reached down and grabbed regular PP simply because I know it and am comfortable with it. Not sure I'll ever change. I do want to try Sufix 832 one of these days, but I just don't know if I will....
I love the old power pro also. I picked up a box of 832 at walmart once in a pinch because they were out of the original power pro in my size and i couldn't justify the extra expense for it, I never bought it again.
I didn't care for the Super Slick that much on my baitcaster, it had a tendency to dig in easily.
However, it works like a dream on my spinning rod. I'll likely never find anything like that again. Casts like a bullet and is simple to manage.
I've had no problems with SS8 in 20 and 30lb on baitcasters. The only braid I like as much or more is Sunline SX1, but I prefer the visibility of the aqua green SS8. I've tried other braids, but just realized I've never tried regular PP! I should probably do that.
On 2/25/2014 at 1:15 PM, bass1980 said:I am going to switch all my 20lbs PP to yellow high vis. Does anyone know the yellow fades quicker in the regular or the slick?
both faded incredibly quick for me in high vis yellow.
Thanks for the responses guys, I stuck with my gut and went to the store and got two packs of the original PowerPro. Maybe next year I will go try the 832 braid. Thanks again
-Jack
I've got 10# SS on light spinning, as well as original PP 10-15-20-30# on a number of other reels. What I do like about the SS is wind knots pull thru easier, other than that I don't feel one being better than the other. Being as I tie my knots correctly and use my drag, strength isn't a concern for me, whatever line I'm using.
I tried SS8 in 20lb on a Daiwa Procaster Z. I have had this reel since 2000 and know how to cast it. I had a problem with the SS8 backlashing. Not a lot but just enough that I had to pull out a few feet way to often. I finally took the line off and put on some regular PP. When I bought my Tatula R I loaded it with PP and it casted great. After a few weeks I decided to try the SS8 on the Tatula as it casted a lot better than my old Procaster. I immediately had the same problems with the SS8 as I did before. The SS8 feels almost sticky to me and it just had a tendency to backlash too often. I think the problem is the finish that PP is using on the SS8 line. I have decided not to use it on a bait caster. I really wanted to like the SS8 line but it didn't perform for me.
Frank
Not a braid fan, but I do have a Tatula spooled with some Cabela's Ripcord8 and I like it better than both Power Pro and Super Slick. I had good luck with Samurai, 832, and FX2 in the past and the Ripcord8 is right up there with them. Plus, Cabela's has sales all the time. The stuff just came out and I already bought it for 20% off a few weeks ago. Made in the USA too, if that matters to anyone.
Thanks for this report, FrankW. I've long debated whether to switch my preferred SS8 to my Tatula. I will stick with my Seaguar Red Label fluoro.
On 3/6/2014 at 4:58 AM, FrankW said:I tried SS8 in 20lb on a Daiwa Procaster Z. I have had this reel since 2000 and know how to cast it. I had a problem with the SS8 backlashing. Not a lot but just enough that I had to pull out a few feet way to often. I finally took the line off and put on some regular PP. When I bought my Tatula R I loaded it with PP and it casted great. After a few weeks I decided to try the SS8 on the Tatula as it casted a lot better than my old Procaster. I immediately had the same problems with the SS8 as I did before. The SS8 feels almost sticky to me and it just had a tendency to backlash too often. I think the problem is the finish that PP is using on the SS8 line. I have decided not to use it on a bait caster. I really wanted to like the SS8 line but it didn't perform for me.
Frank
Another vote for the regular PP. Wasn't a fan of the Superslick.
I also like regular power pro but have spooled up a reel with sunline sx1 and have been impressed
Tight lines
Andrew
I hate braid. I hate braid so much that when I was getting ready for a dream trip to Lake Istopogka I was dreading buying the braid I knew I'd have to use for all the pads. I was going to toss the braid as soon as the trip was done because I hate braid so much. So i wanted to go on the cheap if possible. I got regular power pro even though I knew all the bad experiences saltwater anglers report on floridasportsman forum. I got a spool of Spiderwire Stealth and a spool of PPSS8. I used each one on my trip. Just like others reported on the other forum, the original power pro broke easy. The spiderwire didn't break but fuzzed up and looks like twine. Both bleed so bad my reels and rod seats were green as if from algae in the water. But it was the line, now nearly white. The SuperSlick8 stayed close to original color and kept its slick coat. None of the reels spooled with it had any green residue on them. I still hate braid but the super slick was transferred to my spinning reels and is worth keeping. The other 2 are just a trip expenditure!
On 3/6/2014 at 6:12 AM, michang5 said:Thanks for this report, FrankW. I've long debated whether to switch my preferred SS8 to my Tatula. I will stick with my Seaguar Red Label fluoro.
I would suggest you try SS8 on your Tatula and see what happens. I may have had an isolated problem and I would like to hear your comments after you use it. Particularly if you use the 20lb line. I used the 20lb SS8 on the Tatula for fishing sweet beavers with a skirt and 1/8oz weight. The Tatula handles this setup really well and I pitch with it all the time in shallow water but with standard PP.
Frank
On 3/6/2014 at 8:42 PM, 119 said:I hate braid. I hate braid so much that when I was getting ready for a dream trip to Lake Istopogka I was dreading buying the braid I knew I'd have to use for all the pads. I was going to toss the braid as soon as the trip was done because I hate braid so much. So i wanted to go on the cheap if possible. I got regular power pro even though I knew all the bad experiences saltwater anglers report on floridasportsman forum. I got a spool of Spiderwire Stealth and a spool of PPSS8. I used each one on my trip. Just like others reported on the other forum, the original power pro broke easy. The spiderwire didn't break but fuzzed up and looks like twine. Both bleed so bad my reels and rod seats were green as if from algae in the water. But it was the line, now nearly white. The SuperSlick8 stayed close to original color and kept its slick coat. None of the reels spooled with it had any green residue on them. I still hate braid but the super slick was transferred to my spinning reels and is worth keeping. The other 2 are just a trip expenditure!
High 0119,
You live in Florida and don't like braid??? If there is any State that needs braid it is Florida. I have used braid since 2000 and have never experienced the bleeding problem you described. The color does come off but it is over time and I only notice the color being lost. I think you will be pleased with how the braid works on your spinning reels. What line do you use for jigging and punching?
Frank
I'm in Florida as well, I use nothing but braid with the exception of 2 saltwater setups. I mainly use original PP with no real issues, I've tried other brands as well and the same story. At present I have 1 light set up with PPslick, 10# test that I use for pond fishing and peacock bass, it seems to work just fine and windknots do pull thru much easier. If anything about braid regardless of brand is an excessive amount of windknots for me. I actually get more in freshwater fishing, I do have my theories on why.
Frank W, I see you are a fairly new member, people that have read my posts know I use spinning for 100% of my fishing both fresh and salt and, heaviest braid I use is 20#.
Hi Warrior,
Yes I am new to the forum but not to Bass fishing. I also use a spinning rod a lot. I had wind knots, lure fouling and line wrapping around the tip with 10lb braid. Those problems went away when I moved up to 20lb braid. I love braid but it does funny stuff when the wind blows.
Frank
On 3/7/2014 at 2:40 AM, FrankW said:High 0119,
You live in Florida and don't like braid??? If there is any State that needs braid it is Florida. I have used braid since 2000 and have never experienced the bleeding problem you described. The color does come off but it is over time and I only notice the color being lost. I think you will be pleased with how the braid works on your spinning reels. What line do you use for jigging and punching?
Frank
Almost all the water I fish in Florida is gin clear or tannic. Visibility of braid is a factor I cannot get over, let alone tons of other negatives I see with braid. But most importantly I fish a combination of wood and marl (sort of like prehistoric coral) rock. Braid has the poorest abrasion resistance of any line. It cannot even stand up to the gill covers of a snook or the mouth of a tarpon. Both species that occupy my bass waters. Other than use on a spinning reel to avoid memory or twist, I see braid as only a negative.
I swung by local Walmart today to pick up a ship-to-store order of 300yds of 15# PP S8S yellow braid. No local stores carry it and the WM price was quite a bit cheaper.
I'm eager to see of it is a good compromise between the 10# and 20# braid I'm currently using on my two different spinning reels.
Con: I've experienced more than a couple of wind knots on the 10#, the worst being when I'm breaking off a snag and the line flies back toward me. I've never had a wind knot that required cutting on the 20#.
Pro: Granted I'm using different sizes reels and different rods, but I can cast the 10# much farther than the 20#.
FrankW, I just might recycle the 20# that is currently on my spinning reel onto my Tatula for a test. Ooh... That's a smart and economical idea.
Can't say I never had braid wrap around my tip but it doesn't happen to me very often. I don't notice any significant casting difference between 10-15 and 20#, maybe a little bit. These windknots can be a nightmare and I got a lot of them. Less in saltwater and my theory is I'm using heavier lures (exceed the max rod wt. all the time), I do believe the line comes off the reel straighter and doesn't hit the first guide as often, that's where the windknots happen. Don't forget braid still gets twist on retrieve by being wrapped around a fixed spool, that can cause the knots too. I agree with 0119 about the abrasion from fish, rocks, coral, cement pylons, etc. I do lots of respooling, I like braid so it's worth it to me.
I know lots of guys think this is just "marketing hype" but the newer Shimano reels with the Line Propulsion Spool Lip design really are head and shoulders better than reels without it with regards to wind knots. I have an older Sahara that was a great reel with mono or fluoro but a nightmare with braid. If I tried to get any distance on my casts using braid on that reel wind knot city. I picked up a Sedona FD 2500 to use on the rod I'd been using the Sahara on and I've not had another wind knot since.
I have a Stella, Stradic, Symetre, and the Sedona all with the Propulsion Lip design and I can't remember a single wind knot using them. I know some guys don't particularly like Shimano gear and that's fine, I'm not trying to say they're superior to all the other brands in every way I'm simply saying in this one instance they definitely got it right.
I agree with War Eagle, I get winds knots all the time, must have 6-8 or them in a couple hours yesterday. I've never had a wind knot with my stradics, spheros' and daiwas. Despite other issues I have with Shimano reels, I'm actually leaning in the direction of a new stradic 4000.