Need some finesse jig feedback 2024
thebillsman reply :
Hey, I'm putting together an outfit for light jigs and finesse worms. I'm in PA so I'm not pulling any hogs out of heavy cover.
That said, I wanted to get away from Medium Heavy's and braid. I went with a Medium/Fast 7-footer and a 7.1:1 Lews TP which I know will be okay, but I got Sunline Sniper 14# for cheap and am wondering how this will cope. I don't have much experience with FC and don't want to use 14# if it will result in issues with lighter jigs.
5fishlimit reply :
What weight jigs are you talking about?
3/8oz, 1/4oz, or down to 1/8oz?
hawgenvy reply :
8 to12 pound FC would probably be a better match. But the 14 (since you have it) ought to work and might be nice to have if you're bit by a 4+ pounder. It'll still be invisible but might slightly affect the naturalness of the fall and wiggle of the bait.
Cgrinder reply :
Probably fine. I might go 12, but I could also see 16 if you need a little more oomph. Sniper's not thick for its pound tests and it handles pretty well.
thebillsman reply :
On 2/10/2016 at 10:47 AM, 5fishlimit said:What weight jigs are you talking about?
3/8oz, 1/4oz, or down to 1/8oz?
The ZMan shroomz I plan on using are actually 1/6oz. My plan is to be around 3/8 with the trailer rigged.
5fishlimit reply :
On 2/10/2016 at 10:52 AM, thebillsman said:The ZMan shroomz I plan on using are actually 1/6oz. My plan is to be around 3/8 with the trailer rigged.
I would use a spinning rod for the ned rig, and 14# is too much line for that rig, IMHO. 6#,or 8# is what I would be using.
thebillsman reply :
On 2/10/2016 at 10:55 AM, 5fishlimit said:I would use a spinning rod for the ned rig, and 14# is too much line for that rig, IMHO. 6#,or 8# is what I would be using.
Spinning rod not an option at the moment. Don't know if I would be comfortable with that low of a test on a baitcaster.
5fishlimit reply :
thebillsman reply :
On 2/10/2016 at 10:58 AM, 5fishlimit said:
It won't just be Ned's. Tungsten footballs and rigged worms will also see a lot of use with this outfit.
Jrob78 reply :
You should also know that when you say "finesse jig" people assume you're talking about a skirted finesse jig. Not a big deal but might help you get better feedback.
5fishlimit reply :
On 2/10/2016 at 10:57 AM, thebillsman said:Spinning rod not an option at the moment. Don't know if I would be comfortable with that low of a test on a baitcaster.
I would consider using a different presentation with your setup. I don't see how a 1/6oz mushroom head jig and TRD would weigh 3/8oz.
On 2/10/2016 at 11:00 AM, thebillsman said:It won't just be Ned's. Tungsten footballs and rigged worms will also see a lot of use with this outfit.
Different tools for different jobs. The football jigs and worms are fine.
Ned rig, not so much.
Robert Riley reply :
I have 10lb Sunline Assassin spooled up right now. Haven't used it yet. I throw 3/8 jigs on my DX745.
Bluebasser86 reply :
For finesse jigs like Jrob posted the picture of, I use a 6' 10" MH/F with a 200E7 Curado and 12lb InvisX.
For the Ned rigs like the OP is talking about I use a 6' 10" ML/XF spinning rod with a 30 size Supreme XT 24lb Gliss and a few feet of 8-10 pound leader.
You can get light spinning rods for very cheap, and it doesn't take anything special to fish a Ned (Ned Kehde fishes his namesake rig on cheap Shakespeare rods and 40+ year old Mitchell spinning reels with the bail removed). Frugality is one of the trademarks of Midwest Finesse (Ned Rig), fishing.
Puggz reply :
On 2/10/2016 at 10:05 AM, thebillsman said:Hey, I'm putting together an outfit for light jigs and finesse worms. I'm in PA so I'm not pulling any hogs out of heavy cover.
That said, I wanted to get away from Medium Heavy's and braid. I went with a Medium/Fast 7-footer and a 7.1:1 Lews TP which I know will be okay, but I got Sunline Sniper 14# for cheap and am wondering how this will cope. I don't have much experience with FC and don't want to use 14# if it will result in issues with lighter jigs.
Personally I prefer a spinning rig for this application. A 6.5 to 7 ft medium light, mag lite, or medium action with 6 or 8lb FC.
smalljaw67 reply :
I live in PA too and I make a lot of tackle and you are the main reason I pull my hair out!!! LOL!!!!! 14lb line because the soft plastic is heavy and using it on a casting outfit and then when you fish it the next post you would make is that the hooks on the 'shrooms heads are junk because you'll bend them out with that set up. The hooks on those heads are called Aberdeen hooks, they are designed so they can be bent straight to free from snags and then be bent back again. The Ned rig is designed to be used with these hooks on a light to medium power spinning rod with 4lb to 8lb line max and believe me, it will work, I have landed many 4lb and 5lb Susquehanna river smallmouth with a 1/16oz ball head jig with a size 2 Aberdeen hook and the hook wasn't bent but I did it with a medium light spinning rod and 6lb line.
thebillsman reply :
On 2/10/2016 at 10:14 PM, smalljaw67 said:I live in PA too and I make a lot of tackle and you are the main reason I pull my hair out!!! LOL!!!!! 14lb line because the soft plastic is heavy and using it on a casting outfit and then when you fish it the next post you would make is that the hooks on the 'shrooms heads are junk because you'll bend them out with that set up. The hooks on those heads are called Aberdeen hooks, they are designed so they can be bent straight to free from snags and then be bent back again. The Ned rig is designed to be used with these hooks on a light to medium power spinning rod with 4lb to 8lb line max and believe me, it will work, I have landed many 4lb and 5lb Susquehanna river smallmouth with a 1/16oz ball head jig with a size 2 Aberdeen hook and the hook wasn't bent but I did it with a medium light spinning rod and 6lb line.
Thanks for the help.
I just want to restate that this isn't exclusively for ned rigs. I also have keitech tungsten jigs that will see a lot of use.
Getting away from Ned's, will 14lb fc be too much for standard 1/8-1/4oz jigs?
Turtle135 reply :
On 2/10/2016 at 10:33 PM, thebillsman said:Thanks for the help.
I just want to restate that this isn't exclusively for ned rigs. I also have keitech tungsten jigs that will see a lot of use.
Getting away from Ned's, will 14lb fc be too much for standard 1/8-1/4oz jigs?
I throw 1/4 ounce jigs on 14 and 17 pound test Trilene XT monofilament all the time. These are bottom contact football jigs and brush jigs with a craw trailer added that I use when I am looking for a smaller profile than a 1/2 - 3/4 ounce jig. The swim jigs I throw most frequently are 1/4 ounce. Trilene XT is a thick line that way overtests so you should be fine with the 14 pound test flouro.
Evan K reply :
I just got myself a new setup for throwing finesse jigs (among other finesse baits)- a ML XF Spinning rod and 2500 size reel, with 6 lb. P-Line Fluoroclear. I can get plenty of casting distance, the line is limp and manageable, and the rod is sensitive but has enough backbone to work a larger fish out.
thebillsman reply :
On 2/10/2016 at 11:03 PM, Evan K said:I just got myself a new setup for throwing finesse jigs (among other finesse baits)- a ML XF Spinning rod and 2500 size reel, with 6 lb. P-Line Fluoroclear. I can get plenty of casting distance, the line is limp and manageable, and the rod is sensitive but has enough backbone to work a larger fish out.
Thanks for the insight but I will be using a casting M/F. Wondering if 14lb will be overkill.
Felix77 reply :
I prefer a spinning outfit for finesse jigs. FWIW my setup
7' Medium spinning
Reel - 15lb PowerPro with 8-10lb FC Leader.
Robert Riley reply :
To answer your question about overkill: I say yes. I fish 14lb max. The lightest line you can get away with is how light you want to fish. As I mentioned earlier, I use 12lb. You may even be able to get away with 10lb if you'd like to try. Seagaur and Sunline make great FC at a great price (Red Label and Model FC respectively). Go order a small spool of each from TW and have a trial and error spring season.
thebillsman reply :
On 2/11/2016 at 12:34 AM, Robert Riley said:To answer your question about overkill: I say yes. I fish 14lb max. The lightest line you can get away with is how light you want to fish. As I mentioned earlier, I use 12lb. You may even be able to get away with 10lb if you'd like to try. Seagaur and Sunline make great FC at a great price (Red Label and Model FC respectively). Go order a small spool of each from TW and have a trial and error spring season.
Well I always use 12lb Trilene which has a diameter of .013 and the 14lb Sniper is .0122. Sniper isn't going to stretch much no matter the test, but I don't want to be busting guides or bending too many hooks.
I was previously using 50lb braid for my 1/4oz jigs paired with a MH so that has to be putting much more stress on the hook in theory, no?
ChrisD46 reply :
On 2/10/2016 at 10:55 AM, 5fishlimit said:I would use a spinning rod for the ned rig, and 14# is too much line for that rig, IMHO. 6#,or 8# is what I would be using.
^^This^^ !! ... ML / Fast spinning rod with #6 lb. co-poly , mono or FC line ... For the rod / line setup you have I would look to buy Strike King Bity Bugs or small Booyah jigs in like 3/16th , 5/16th , 7/16th or 1/4th oz sizes and use a baby Net Bait Paca Craw , baby Strike King Rage Craw or smallest Berkley Chigger Craw . You could also look to use a small single tail or double tail grub (<3") or lastly a small paddle tail swim bait (<3") . Black & Blue and Green Pumpkin colors will cover the majorty of your needs in PA.
smalljaw67 reply :
On 2/10/2016 at 10:49 PM, Turtle135 said:I throw 1/4 ounce jigs on 14 and 17 pound test Trilene XT monofilament all the time. These are bottom contact football jigs and brush jigs with a craw trailer added that I use when I am looking for a smaller profile than a 1/2 - 3/4 ounce jig. The swim jigs I throw most frequently are 1/4 ounce. Trilene XT is a thick line that way overtests so you should be fine with the 14 pound test flouro.
Yes, 14lb for a 1/4oz jig is fine but not all jigs, I make some 1/4oz football heads that 14lb test would be overkill unless used on a spinning set up. I guess it matters to me since I make so many kinds of jigs but you are thinking of 1/4oz skirted jigs which normally have a hook that 14lb line can easily handle. The OP sounds as if he wants 1 rod for ned rigs and 1/4oz jigs, you can do it but that line will lead to bent and broken hooks so the best bet is to use a spinning set up for the light stuff.
thebillsman reply :
On 2/11/2016 at 3:16 AM, smalljaw67 said:Yes, 14lb for a 1/4oz jig is fine but not all jigs, I make some 1/4oz football heads that 14lb test would be overkill unless used on a spinning set up. I guess it matters to me since I make so many kinds of jigs but you are thinking of 1/4oz skirted jigs which normally have a hook that 14lb line can easily handle. The OP sounds as if he wants 1 rod for ned rigs and 1/4oz jigs, you can do it but that line will lead to bent and broken hooks so the best bet is to use a spinning set up for the light stuff.
Thanks for that!
I think I'm going to forego the Ned's and stick with light jigs that don't have light/wire hooks. I think I'll be okay.
I had originally referenced this thread to make my decision. Seemed like most guys were using between 15 and 20lb for their jig outfits.
http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/117269-fc-for-jigs/
smalljaw67 reply :
I probably fish some of the same waters as you do and I like to use the ned rig a lot but we've been using it for a long time only we used to fish it on a 1/16oz ball head and call it a dog turd because we used brown 3" senkos and that is what it looks like. Anyway a good medium power spinning rod with 6lb to 8lb line is great for those types of things. I just poured, painted and tied some Eakins style jigs in 5/16oz, I used a 4/0 Owner 5326 cross eye hook (flat eye) in that jig and it is considered a light wire hook and I throw that on 14lb line. The difference is that it isn't an Aberdeen style hook, most jigs that have a 90 degree line tie, like the mushroom head you were talking about, are Aberdeen style and do better with light line, but finesse jigs like the one I'm telling you about can be fished on the heavier line. I don't know how much experience you have with finesse fishing but there are different types with different hooks and some of them require lighter set ups but that is what finesse fishing is all about.
thebillsman reply :
On 2/11/2016 at 4:53 AM, smalljaw67 said:I probably fish some of the same waters as you do and I like to use the ned rig a lot but we've been using it for a long time only we used to fish it on a 1/16oz ball head and call it a dog turd because we used brown 3" senkos and that is what it looks like. Anyway a good medium power spinning rod with 6lb to 8lb line is great for those types of things. I just poured, painted and tied some Eakins style jigs in 5/16oz, I used a 4/0 Owner 5326 cross eye hook (flat eye) in that jig and it is considered a light wire hook and I throw that on 14lb line. The difference is that it isn't an Aberdeen style hook, most jigs that have a 90 degree line tie, like the mushroom head you were talking about, are Aberdeen style and do better with light line, but finesse jigs like the one I'm telling you about can be fished on the heavier line. I don't know how much experience you have with finesse fishing but there are different types with different hooks and some of them require lighter set ups but that is what finesse fishing is all about.
Thanks for the great information.
So, given that the majority of my football jigs tie on from the top should I be using lighter line?
I never had any issues bending hooks with a MH and 50lb braid.. why would I now experience it with a M/F and 14lb FC?
smalljaw67 reply :
The football jigs you are using are probably made with a heavy wire, 60 degree hook which are also on the top. Go you You Tube and look my name up, smalljaw, I have a video explaining different hook types, you'll want to see part 1 I believe, it may help show you what I'm trying to tell you.
thebillsman reply :
On 2/11/2016 at 5:02 AM, smalljaw67 said:The football jigs you are using are probably made with a heavy wire, 60 degree hook which are also on the top. Go you You Tube and look my name up, smalljaw, I have a video explaining different hook types, you'll want to see part 1 I believe, it may help show you what I'm trying to tell you.
Will do.
If you don't mind me picking your brain. Do you think my current outfit will suffice for open water, soft banks and jigging rocks? I wasn't originally set on making this rod a Ned setup, I just wanted a much lighter option for bottom contact and rigged plastics.
WPCfishing reply :
I'm into jigs. I buy from Siebert now and then. I put these together with his jigs and my skirts.
Smoken Good!
I use braid with a 15# CX leader with the finesse jigs.
Turtle135 reply :
On 2/11/2016 at 3:16 AM, smalljaw67 said:Yes, 14lb for a 1/4oz jig is fine but not all jigs, I make some 1/4oz football heads that 14lb test would be overkill unless used on a spinning set up. I guess it matters to me since I make so many kinds of jigs but you are thinking of 1/4oz skirted jigs which normally have a hook that 14lb line can easily handle. The OP sounds as if he wants 1 rod for ned rigs and 1/4oz jigs, you can do it but that line will lead to bent and broken hooks so the best bet is to use a spinning set up for the light stuff.
I was replying to his question: "Getting away from Ned's, will 14lb fc be too much for standard 1/8-1/4oz jigs". I think the OP knew by this point of this thread what he was doing was not optimal. Yes he would be limiting casting distance and yes he runs the risk of straightening a light wire hook. I figured I would throw a picture in there of a fairly standard 1/4 ounce swim jig so that we would be on the same page.
BassWhole! reply :
6'9" Medium, Extra Fast, 12 lb Big Game and a 6.3 reel. Everything from 1/16 T-rig to 5/16 jigs of all sorts. I catch a lot of fish with this setup. If I'm pitching into heavier cover, I'll step up to a 7' MH and 14-17 lb test, but I'm sure I'd get most out with the lighter outfit.
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