I just got a new Pinnacle XiHS in the mail and I wil be pairing it with my new Dobyns 734c when it comes in the mail! It will be really my go too all purpose combo, ive heard you can do all kinds of techniques with it so thats what i want to try!
Ill be using it for jigs, worm, and wacky unweighted senkos, some T-Rigged worms and shakey head worm/creature baits.
Depending on where Im fishing maybe even some spinnerbaits on this.
I may also be flippin pitchin into some cover.
Is there a line thats good for all of this? Im thinking braid with and without a leader depending on technique!
Suggestions of brand, type, and test rating woud be gladly accepted, as well as any advice!
I do have other combos but as I am a bank fisherman and maybe a small kayak if I get one soon, I dont wanna be luggin them all around ya know!
Thanks for the help!
Spool it with braid and change the leader as needed and you have the best of all worlds.
On 5/20/2014 at 5:45 AM, doyle8218 said:Spool it with braid and change the leader as needed and you have the best of all worlds.
any advice on leader length? ive heard some say no more than like a foot or maybe two, then ive seen where you should have like 5 ft for a carolina rig lol
40lb braid and a leader of either fluoro/mono. I use around a 4 ft leader honestly as I don't mind re-tying when need be
Can i ask ,what is the point of having braid with a leader? or better yet fluro with braid backing? what is braid backing and why do so many people suggest it
On 5/20/2014 at 7:21 AM, Mikell said:any advice on leader length? ive heard some say no more than like a foot or maybe two, then ive seen where you should have like 5 ft for a carolina rig lol
I use the length of the rod from the tip to the reel.
On 5/20/2014 at 8:24 AM, GoRavens said:Can i ask ,what is the point of having braid with a leader? or better yet fluro with braid backing? what is braid backing and why do so many people suggest it
Braid with a leader is used to get the strength of the braid but the "invisibility" of the floro leader, fishing stained water though its not needed. Ive fished areas with visibility down 7ft pretty clear in my opinion and have caught nice fish on straight braid, yes having the leader may get you a few more fish but in the end its personal preference and as far as using braid as backing im not sure, but you can use mono as backing to help fill up the spool so has to not have to use so much expensive baid or florocarcbon line
There are other advantages to using a leader: abrassion resistance and the ability to break-off when needed.
I have this reel (Pinnacle Xihs) spooled with #50 Kanzen/ Tatsu #20 (3' to start with). The Tatsu is "left-over",
so if you are buying line just for leader, #20 Seaguar AbrazX will be fine.
Braid bird nests are a nightmare- thats why I dont use braid in my BC's. I'm not saying don't use it, just keep in mind that you want to use a line diameter rated for your new reel. I tried 20# braid and did nothing but waste half a spool and a lot of time!
I would go straight FC ... For all purpose I use 15lb Seaguar InvizX. This is what I use on my "go-to" bank fishing rod.
P-Line CXX 10 lb test.
On 5/20/2014 at 10:45 PM, Raul said:P-Line CXX 10 lb test.
Hmm...
This from Mr. Trilene XT?
On 5/20/2014 at 10:13 PM, Fish Murderer 71 said:Braid bird nests are a nightmare- thats why I dont use braid in my BC's. I'm not saying don't use it, just keep in mind that you want to use a line diameter rated for your new reel. I tried 20# braid and did nothing but waste half a spool and a lot of time!
ive never had a birdnest in braid that i couldnt get out haha i know alot of people say its a nightmare but i run it on 2 of my reels anf they get main fishin time
On 5/20/2014 at 10:13 PM, Fish Murderer 71 said:Braid bird nests are a nightmare- thats why I dont use braid in my BC's. I'm not saying don't use it, just keep in mind that you want to use a line diameter rated for your new reel. I tried 20# braid and did nothing but waste half a spool and a lot of time!
All my overruns with braid are usually easy to get out compared to mono or fluoro, but I DEFINITELY wouldn't try 20lb braid on a baitcaster. I have heard of people using 30lb/8dia, but I personally wouldn't go with anything under 40/10. I usually use 50/12.
I have used 30lb and 50lb braid I like both really but I just bought some 40 to see how it handles as well!
I hate birdnests in mono/floro they, IMO, are nightmares! ive had to cut them out at times and almost end my fishing day, but braid has always been decent for me
On 5/20/2014 at 11:21 PM, roadwarrior said:Hmm...
This from Mr. Trilene XT?
Nope, it´s Mr Trilene Big Game please.
However, one must be true and recognize that almost perfect is not completely perfect, that there are situations where you need a little extra which can be found I probably the toughest line I´ve ever fish with, handles horribly but when you see that huizache stump where you just hung up surface you gotta admit Trilene Big Game wasn´t going to do that.
There isn't a panacea line.
Fishing from shore you will not be flipping or pitching often, mostly casting somewhere between 30' to 90'.
Braid does back lash far worse than either mono or FC line, use a line conditioner regardless of what line you choose.
Braid is the lightest weight line and the reason it floats, mono is second in weight and FC the heaviest per diameter. Some anglers like braid as a backup because it saves a little spool weight.
If you choose braid with a leader on your baitcaster use at least 40 lb, 50 would be better due to the line diameter will cast better. Leader should be close to the diameter of the braid.
My preference for all around use would be premium mono like Sunline Shooter Defier 15 lb.
Tom
On 5/21/2014 at 9:40 AM, WRB said:There isn't a panacea line.
Fishing from shore you will not be flipping or pitching often, mostly casting somewhere between 30' to 90'.
Braid does back lash far worse than either mono or FC line, use a line conditioner regardless of what line you choose.
Braid is the lightest weight line and the reason it floats, mono is second in weight and FC the heaviest per diameter. Some anglers like braid as a backup because it saves a little spool weight.
If you choose braid with a leader on your baitcaster use at least 40 lb, 50 would be better due to the line diameter will cast better. Leader should be close to the diameter of the braid.
My preference for all around use would be premium mono like Sunline Shooter Defier 15 lb.
Tom
i actually flip and pitch alot from the place i fish my biggest fish was caught pitchin into a small ledge/crack in the underwater bank only 4 feet from me, there are also underwater piping and fallen trees in the places i bank fish, lots of opportunity to flip and pitch into that kinda stuff
and i still dont understand why people say it "does' backlash worse, when i compare the fact ive never had to cut out a backlash with braid, but i certainly have with mono and floro, i think its just luck of the draw here lol IMO
It's very difficult to flip when level with the water, underhand swing cast dropping a lure onto a close target like a pendulum isn't a flip cast, whatever.On 5/21/2014 at 10:44 AM, Mikell said:i actually flip and pitch alot from the place i fish my biggest fish was caught pitchin into a small ledge/crack in the underwater bank only 4 feet from me, there are also underwater piping and fallen trees in the places i bank fish, lots of opportunity to flip and pitch into that kinda stuff
and i still dont understand why people say it "does' backlash worse, when i compare the fact ive never had to cut out a backlash with braid, but i certainly have with mono and floro, i think its just luck of the draw here lol IMO
Braid tends to loosen deep within the spooled line,mono and FC is usually more near the surface of the spool or not as deep because it's heavier line in weight.
Next time you blow up a reel (deep backlash) don't start pulling it out, just put your thumb on the spool and reel the line back on. After the line is back on, then slowly pull out the line with your thumb on the spool and the under laying loops come out easily.
Good luck.
Tom
I use 20 lb Sufix 832 on a couple of baitcasters and really don't see any drama with it as far as backlashes or digging into the spool. I like the thinner braid because I fish a clear lake often and because all things equal, thinner is always better. I use it with a long leader of mono or fluoro - typically 10-12 ft. The long leader insures there will be plenty left if I have to re-tie multiple times during the day.
On 5/21/2014 at 11:06 AM, WRB said:It's very difficult to flip when level with the water, underhand swing cast dropping a lure onto a close target like a pendulum isn't a flip cast, whatever.
Braid tends to loosen deep within the spooled line,mono and FC is usually more near the surface of the spool or not as deep because it's heavier line in weight.
Next time you blow up a reel (deep backlash) don't start pulling it out, just put your thumb on the spool and reel the line back on. After the line is back on, then slowly pull out the line with your thumb on the spool and the under laying loops come out easily.
Good luck.
Tom
well the place i fish has sloping shoreline so i can actually be 3-4 above water lever so it actually is possible for me to flip and pitch there lol
ill try that for sure, backlashes on the fc and mono havent been fun for me i am able to pul alot of them out but those ones i have to cut get real annoying
On 5/21/2014 at 7:42 AM, Raul said:Nope, it´s Mr Trilene Big Game please.
However, one must be true and recognize that almost perfect is not completely perfect, that there are situations where you need a little extra which can be found I probably the toughest line I´ve ever fish with, handles horribly but when you see that huizache stump where you just hung up surface you gotta admit Trilene Big Game wasn´t going to do that.
Oops!
You would think after all these years I would have gotten that right!
I have every reel changed over in the last 2+ years to 832 Sufix, I have tried about,,,every line out there, for abrasion resistance it is rated as good as it gets over braids. I also use leaders for every setup I have ---over 20--- for tuff situations I have found Trilene Big Game to be the toughest line made, but to much memory for mainline. In rocks grass wood pilings steel post you name it, very abrasion resistant. Now when you hang one of them heave hooked lures up on anything solid,,,,,it's nice to have anything lighter than your main line to break off when you have to without sacrificing main line. This makes adding backing or changing main line a thing of the past. For gin clear water I go with Seaguar Abrazx or Invisx. I always fish 2 to 10 lbs test lighter than my mainline depending on the situation and technique!
if I had to choose just one line for one rod: I would go with either a really good mono or Yo-Zuri Hybrid. Fluro and Braid have too many limiting factors to use either one as a one for all.
Braid: can't use spooks and I LOVE spook fishing. it also has relatively bad slack line sensitivity. I have found that to personally be a deterrent for me using braid.
Fluoro: no topwater or, if you do manage to keep it afloat, it's a pain in the butt. It is also finicky about knots, abrasions and backlashes.
**note: I am ONLY using these as reasons to not use either line type as a "one line to rule them all". I am not just pointing out flaws of either for the sake of pointing out their flaws. For their applications, I can see and appreciate the use of both and actually use all 4 line types.
A good mono or copoly are far more versatile than fluoro or braid.
In my opinion the most versatile line is 50 pound braid. its based on the state you live and the types of water you are covering, 50 pound is versatile where i live but in other state it might not be, so thats one thing you have to consider.
On 5/20/2014 at 10:05 PM, roadwarrior said:There are other advantages to using a leader: abrassion resistance and the ability to break-off when needed.
I have this reel (Pinnacle Xihs) spooled with #50 Kanzen/ Tatsu #20 (3' to start with). The Tatsu is "left-over",
so if you are buying line just for leader, #20 Seaguar AbrazX will be fine.
The ability to break your line with a leader is huge. On the other hand with no leader and depending what you are using you can just bend hooks out and get your lure back.
14 or 16 lb fluoro
Braid with a leader is used to get the strength of the braid but the "invisibility" of the floro leader
i couldn't disagree more...the "strength" is only as strong as your knot and/or the leader you use. you don't have 40lb strength when using 40lb braid and 20lb leader.
as for an "all around" line... i would go with a 10-12lb mono of your choice. that leaves you open to top water (which fc does not) and that line strength doesn't limit the depth of cranks as a heavier line might and a good mono will hold up well enough for texas rigs, etc. imo.
I cant believe people are still commenting on this bahaha
Another vote for braid + leader