I may not be posting this in the right section but I'm currently looking for a tow vehicle. Currently I have a small truck and boat but wanting to buy a bigger boat so gotta buy a bigger truck. What do you guys tow your boat with and what kind of mpg are you getting out of it everyday driving and more importantly when towing your boats. Thanks.
I drive a gas hog Escalade. 13mpg without my 18' boat, just over 10 when towing it.
2006 chevy silverado 5.3L V8 towing a 18 ft full windshield walleye boat I get about 14 MPG... it gets about 20 without the boat...
Mitch
2013 Nissan Titan....pulled my 18' procraft easily......pulls my 21' procraft easily.......but sucks down the ol petrol.
Without boat on highway about 19/mpg
Without boat in city about 14/mpg
With boat highway about 14/mpg
With boat city.....dunno.....I don't pull the boat around town with me.
2010 Sierra 1500, 6.2L, 18-22 daily, 14-17 towing. I am using an Edge Systems CTS ECM/TCM program.
Old 1990 Suburban, 12 mpg no matter what I do, but it's paid for!
I stopped driving the truck as a daily driver and picked up a $3000 4 banger wagon. @ $3.50 a gallon it payed for itself in just under two years. If you've got the space for multiple vehicles then it's the smart way to go IMO. Keeps the miles and abuse off the truck and considering the resale value of trucks compared to crummy little 4 banger wagons, it's smarter to put the miles on the thing that's not worth much to begin with.
Tundra 5.7 I get roughly 13mpg with the boat in tow
On 1/29/2015 at 2:15 PM, slonezp said:Tundra 5.7 I get roughly 13mpg with the boat in tow
Also drive a Tundra, 14 without the boat, 12-13 with it.
08 2500 6.0 Chevy with a Bully Dog, 13 empty 10 with the boat. I starting towing with my 06 v6 Envoy to save some gas but I checked the mileage the other day and it got 9.8
Chevy 2500 hd truck
Champion 206 with 225 Merc boat
13-15 around town
17 hwy
12 towing in the Ozark mountains
When I use my 2009 Subaru I get 17 MPH when towing the boat.
F150 EcoBoost, 14 when towing, 18 around city and 24 on the highway not towing. All while having 420 ft-lbs of torque at 2400rpm, this is while stock.
On 1/29/2015 at 7:32 PM, Sam said:When I use my 2009 Subaru I get 17 MPH when towing the boat.
It must take you a while to get to the lake at that rate! haha sorry man, had to do it.
1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7 V8
Country driving mileage 14-18
Highway 17-20
Pulling a 17' Ranger 13-14 Doesn't seem to matter if it's freeway or otherwise
Pulling a 20' Ranger 10-12
I drive an '06 4-door Tundra. I don't track gas mileage. When it's empty, I fill it.
2014 Silverado half ton, 5.3. Average on trips better than 20 mpg. Towing my Z-8, 13 - 14 depending on the terrain.
Interesting, the new truck averages three to four mpg better than my 07 without the boat in tow. With the boat, that drops to only one mpg better with the new truck.
That's driving long hauls at or slightly above the posted speed limits on the 1200 mile trip from Massachusetts to Tennessee, Kentucky, or Alabama for the Road Trips.
Those runs included all types of roadways from fairly flat to hilly and mountain terrain.
How you drive, and a close second in importance is keeping all the tires inflated to recommended pressures, play a large role in mileage.
2000 Sonoma zr-2 V6 4.3l vortec
14-15 daily driving
9-10 towing a 19' boat
I need a smaller boat or bigger truck.
I used to tow with a 2006 chevy avalanche that was chipped. Got 19-20 without boat. 15-16 with boat.
Buy a diesel if you can afford it. Large, heavy duty trucks are just setup so much better to pull (though other trucks have the power) than smaller trucks. I have a 6.7 powerstroke and can get 15-17 mpg when pulling my boat, 19-20 or so without it, but ive had it up to as much as 22 on a long road trip. Ton of power and the engine braking system in tow haul mode is great. My old truck was an 8.1L chevy 496 gas burner with the allison tranny. Towed great, plenty of power, best tranny out IMO, but towing a boat was lucky to get 9mpg...not as big of a deal right now with gas prices but it was expensive a couple years ago!
There is no need for a diesel for a simple bass boat. 1500 sized trucks have towing capacities 3 to 4 times the weight of a boat. My 2013 F150 Ecoboost is a little over 11000lbs towing, the new 2015 is over 12k. The other manufactors are not much less than that. The only manufactor to have a diesel in a 1500 is Dodge and its a smaller unit for gas mileage. To get to the larger diesels requires a 2500 and 3500 which are extreme overkill. Save the money instead of paying the extra unless you need the larger truck for other reasons. More money for the boat, electronics, power poles, etc....
chevy 2500hd
maybe 12 on highway.
about 7 when I pull the camper
10 with the jon boat...
So, I have to buy a $60k truck to get another 1-2 mpg?
03 path finder 1k in tow about 17-20 without a boat I would guess 15-16 with. I can't even feel it behind the suv. Plus the boat launch is 3 miles away. I'm a lucky guy.
JFranco, which truck you referring to for 60k?
I want a diesel colorado for towing. My frontier won't make it. Colorado is supposed to get 35+mpg. How that translates to towing I dunno. Has a ton of torque though 350 plus I think.
1994 Ford F-150, 10-12 with a 20' Ranger.
Technically not a tow vehicle.. But the 2007 Toyota FJ w/aftermarket tires/wheels gets about 17. I'll have to see how it does with the yaks on top this year.
Brian, any new 3/4 ton pickup outfitted like my half ton.
On 1/30/2015 at 9:44 AM, BrianinMD said:There is no need for a diesel for a simple bass boat. 1500 sized trucks have towing capacities 3 to 4 times the weight of a boat. My 2013 F150 Ecoboost is a little over 11000lbs towing, the new 2015 is over 12k. The other manufactors are not much less than that. The only manufactor to have a diesel in a 1500 is Dodge and its a smaller unit for gas mileage. To get to the larger diesels requires a 2500 and 3500 which are extreme overkill. Save the money instead of paying the extra unless you need the larger truck for other reasons. More money for the boat, electronics, power poles, etc....
The towing capacity is not the real reason i recommended a 3/4 ton diesel. I have pulled a lot of boats with half ton trucks and gas mileage and power arent the issue....its 5 years down the road when the wear and tear of the extra weight of towing a bass boat finally catches up and things start wearing out. Also, its much easier to stop a 20ft loaded down bassboat quickly (and safely) with a 3/4 ton truck than with a 1500, when that car in front of you decides to abruptly come to a stop with no warning. Safety and reliability are why i choose diesel, to each his own! Do what works for you OP
I'm gonna sell on the notion that weight = shorter stopping distance as well. It was a lot less to get a 1/2 ton with big brakes than step up to a 3/4 ton. Mass is mass - you still gotta stop the truck itself. If a bigger truck doesn't stop as fast as a smaller one, why would it magically do better with the same boat in tow? Bass boats are all at the bottom of the towing range, so I say you can rule out control as well. I can tell my 22' boat is back there, but I guarantee I get better performance in 0-60, 60-0, cornering, and at the pump.
Anyone got data to support this?
You'd be surprised how well some of those "big diesel" trucks actually do perform under a load even though a bass boat isn't much. If you can afford the big 3/4 ton plus trucks then there is advantages to them. When taken care of the diesel will last longer than most gas trucks. A 6.7 cummins can also get about 20 mpg under a load.
I cannot find any "bass boat towing" specific data, i am going by my personal experience with trucks and towing anything from boats, to hay, to dozers. And its not as simple as putting "heavy duty brakes" on a half ton truck and it will stop better than a 3/4 ton. 3/4 ton trucks have not only uprgaded brakes, but stronger frames, axles, and transmissions as well, which are built to last much longer under strain than their half ton counterparts. And I am curious about your performance statements J, what truck do you tow with?
I've used 3/4 ton to tow. It's not really any different. A stronger frame, axles, and transmission aren't going to change footprint, mass, and the potential of the brakes to dissipate heat. I've got over 90k on my truck. Toes my Bullet just fine. Now if you're gonna tow a monster 26'+ offshore boat, sure. For just about every bass boat, it's overkill. And costly.
04 Silverado v8 and the tow package. Approximately 14 pulling a 20' 6" boat
On 1/31/2015 at 7:17 AM, J Francho said:I've used 3/4 ton to tow. It's not really any different. A stronger frame, axles, and transmission aren't going to change footprint, mass, and the potential of the brakes to dissipate heat. I've got over 90k on my truck. Toes my Bullet just fine. Now if you're gonna tow a monster 26'+ offshore boat, sure. For just about every bass boat, it's overkill. And costly.
J,
How can you say "it's not really any different"? If you actually travel and fish tournaments why you wouldn't spend the extra money on a diesel is beyond me. I have owned and towed with 3 different vehicles in the recent past here is my experience:
1) Ford f-150 (150k miles) - Blew while towing up hill, less than 10 mpg while towing
2) Ford Expedition (120k miles) - Transmission gave away and motor begin to miss/bog down. less than 10 mpg towing
3) Ford f250 7.3 Powerstroke (118k miles) - Never had an issue, stays under 2500 rpms while towing up Tennessee mountains. to many benefits to list. 15-18 mpg towing.
When you're traveling longer distances, that extra 5-8 mpg really adds up. I can go 400+ miles on one tank of diesel, i would be lucky if my gas trucks got 300. Diesels last way longer (and that is a fact), tow better, get better mpg (towing and not towing), have bigger and better components that wont break down after towing for 50k miles. Diesel may be more expensive at the moment but when you're comparing 3.30 to 3.80 your only saving 10 dollars at the pump but your going to go a lot farther with that extra 10 dollars.
Once you OWN and tow with a 3/4 ton you will never go back.
Last thought, you say you are well under the weight limit for a half ton with your boat. the specs given by boat manufactures on "weight" may not include trailer weight, motor weight, and the extremely heavy gear and gas that are in the boat.
Just my 2 cents on the topic. Obviously im giving my opinion to the OP and if you can't afford a 3/4 ton than don't get one, but if you can its well worth it.
I'm pulling a 1996 Ranger with a old H1. As for mileage.....disappointing.
I would buy a diesel if it came in close to what my truck currently costs to operate on a daily basis. I don't make my purchasing decisions based on a one aspect of it's use. I do a tournament every other weekend from Late June to ice out. I drive the truck everyday. A 3/4 ton diesel adds more cost than I can recoup through fuel savings. Furthermore, it adds zero performance. In fact, most are slower than what I use. If I plowed in the winter, towed a heavy tool trailer daily, and ran my boat three days a week on long hauls, then maybe the cost and wear and tear would be offset. But as a wholesale recommendation to tow a bass boat, a 3/4 ton or larger is just an ego trip. The numbers don't add up.
Well, when you're running biodiesel, you'll save the money.
Ok, now I have to add to my list the time to harvest used cooking oil, the equipment to process this into bio diesel, and the time and effort.
Ok, I'll hop in my cheaper truck, fill it with cheaper gas, and go fishing while your busy with that. Lol.
I will just try to keep this directed at the OP and answer the question. Other people can comment on it all they want haha.
Currently towing: 2000 Champion 181 single axle Mercury Optimax 150. Tow with a 2003 Tahoe Z71 5.3l 3.73 gears 4x4. I get between 10 and 12 overall towing so far. If I drive strictly in downtown Sacramento I get around 12-14 without the boat. If I'm "mixed" it's around 14.5-16, if I drive freeway I can get from 18-21.
How you drive makes a world of difference is all I will say when it comes to "safety", mileage and wear on a vehicle.
I hope you find a vehicle that you love to drive if you're going to be paying for it. I recently upgraded to mine and I love driving it.
Sometimes I'll tow my friends Stratos or Champion, I get about 9-11 mpg on my truck.
I drive a 2007 Dodge Ram 1500 1/2 ton Big Horn Edition with several upgrades.
On 1/30/2015 at 8:10 PM, Montanaro said:I want a diesel colorado for towing. My frontier won't make it. Colorado is supposed to get 35+mpg. How that translates to towing I dunno. Has a ton of torque though 350 plus I think.
I had an 2009 Frontier and that little truck was a BEAST for a small truck. I towed a 24' open fisherman to the Keys every summer no problem. I chipped it so power was about 275HP w/ close to 300lbs of torque, which was pretty good back in the day. As far any bass boat, any 6 cylinder will tow with easy. I have a 2011 Ford F-150 Ecoboost (3.5 liter turbo charged) 4x4 and it gets about 14-16 towing boats around town/highway, about 21-22 highway without towing and 17-18 city, not much better than my old Nissan Frontier.
Small truck wise though you are right theupcoming Chevy Colorado in the 2.8L Duramax I-4 diesel platform looks pretty nice, it only tows about 7,000 not much better than a gas powered Nissan Frontier or Toyota Tacoma, but MPG is higher with diesel.
Have not looked into the Colorado, used to have a Frontier though. The only thing that concerned me with the smaller size trucks are the short wheelbase, and how they handled crosswinds on the highway when towing.
The short wheelbase is actually a plus. Much easier and quicker to maneuver.
My friend pulls his 17' Triton with a Jeep (not the military type), and it has a much smaller turning radius than a standard pickup, even if the pickup has a short bed.
If there is a down side it's that it takes a bit of getting used to when backing up. You need much less steering input than with a long wheelbase tow vehicle.
I agree it is easier to maneuver, my concern is stability on the highway.
On 2/4/2015 at 9:17 PM, BrianinMD said:I agree it is easier to maneuver, my concern is stability on the highway.
If you are towing anything under the rated capacity you'll be fine, trust me.....famous last words! The Nissan Frontier did just fine towing a 23' Proline (6K lbs trailered) filled with fuel, washdown water, rods, coolers, etc. making 250 mile round trip. I had the shorter wheelbase vehicle, not full crew cab. The overseas highway can get steep, very wind, slippery, especially in the Summer, and the V-6 powered and lightweight relatively small Nissan did just fine!
I have a first gen frontier. Going up a steep grade on interstate is difficult with nothing in the truck...add a boat and I'll be limping.
There is a huge difference between the first gen and the one South FLA is referring to. The v6 in it is very strong, power was not a concern. It is built on a shortened version of the Titan frame so it is also very strong in that regard.
Yes I am a fan of Nissan trucks, all I owned before my F150 Ecoboost. Just couldn't see buying a Titan again without it being updated for so long, rather behind the times. Interested to see what the new one next year will be like.
In my business in the last 31 years I've owned a lot of trucks. Diesel and gas. I've done the math on the diesel and it doesn't add up. Maybe if your running 60,000 plus miles a year or pulling very heavy loads all the time but my trucks running 30,000 a year with about 1,500 pounds of tools just doesn't pay for it. The motor costs you $5,000 plus more, then you have higher costing fuel plus it will cost you around $1,500 to replace your injectors at 100,000 miles. One can buy a lot of gas for that.
There is a difference between a guy that hauls 1,500 pounds every day 24/7 and a guy that hauls a load now and then. My trucks get a good test on how good they really are. I've never had a Nissan so I can't say how they are but we've had the rest and the best work truck by far has been the Toyota Tundra. I'm running the small V8 and we're getting around 17 mpg on a average. I never got that on the Ford or Chevy diesel. The one I drive has 147,000 miles and I have not done anything to it other then tires, brakes and oil changes. That's unheard of in a work truck. Normally by now we would be looking to trade. Transmission, rear ends, tie rods, bearings and you name it would have gone bad. I also drive one for a personal truck and it pulls my 2010 Z519 like it's not even back there. And it has the small V8 too. My mileage will drop to 12 mpg pulling but who cares, I'm not pulling it every day.
On 2/6/2015 at 8:06 PM, BrianinMD said:There is a huge difference between the first gen and the one South FLA is referring to. The v6 in it is very strong, power was not a concern. It is built on a shortened version of the Titan frame so it is also very strong in that regard.
Yes I am a fan of Nissan trucks, all I owned before my F150 Ecoboost. Just couldn't see buying a Titan again without it being updated for so long, rather behind the times. Interested to see what the new one next year will be like.
Very similar feelings here, had a 2009 Frontier, own a 2011 Pathfinder and a Eco Boost F-150.
I'm getting 13mpg towing my skeeter zx185c with my 04' Chevy 5.3L CrewCab. 16mpg without anything in tow.
Here is my rig and I'm not sure what I'm getting per gallon, it seems like some trips to the same lake are better than other.
2500HD Silverado 6.0L 15 mpg solo, 11 mpg pulling my Z119c, and 9 mpg pulling a 6000lb camper. 180,000 miles and going strong. Bought a 1995 camry 4 cyl beater work car for $3000 and I get 34 mpg and up to 250,000 miles and going strong it paid for itself in under a year and gives me more money for fishing trips. :-)
I'll add buying a second car to my list of why a 3/4 ton is the better deal.
A stick shift helps out with stopping.
My auto downshifts…automatically, lol.
Good luck finding anything above a compact truck with a stick. No one makes them anymore.
On 2/10/2015 at 10:53 PM, J Francho said:My auto downshifts…automatically, lol.
Good luck finding anything above a compact truck with a stick. No one makes them anymore.
That is true. When I was younger most trucks were the other way. Either a stick on the floor or a three on the tree.
Ye Olde 4 Speed… remember when you had to push down and left then up to find reverse?
On 2/11/2015 at 8:25 PM, J Francho said:Ye Olde 4 Speed… remember when you had to push down and left then up to find reverse?
You mean grind reverse.
Lol, yep.
Well guys I sold my small truck and Monday I purchased a 2003 GMC Sierra Z71 extended cab w/5.3L I have a 3 day weekend coming up so we'll see how she does on the fuel mileage with a boat in tow. I really appreciate all the feedback.
Laugh all you want. Last batch we cooked up at roughly 17c a gallon. When was gas that low? Not in my lifetime. Granted, startup cost was disturbing...On 2/4/2015 at 12:43 AM, J Francho said:Ok, now I have to add to my list the time to harvest used cooking oil, the equipment to process this into bio diesel, and the time and effort.
Ok, I'll hop in my cheaper truck, fill it with cheaper gas, and go fishing while your busy with that. Lol.
17 cents s gallon? Apparently startup costs are atrocious and not part of the math. I'd like to see the break down of your biodiesel production. Sounds like a more expensive hobby than fishing. I'm literally lol.
The tank and chemicals are what makes it so expensive. Being related to an owner of a local race track, the fuel components cab be gotten cheap. Lye on the other hand, very controlled in the amount we buy. Oil is free. Tank ran almost 2 grand. We have since regained what we've spent on all the items.
If you have a diesel and are willing to do the work and chemistry, it's a great money saver in the long run. And, you can sell the byproducts of the process. Glycerin. Make soap. And sell.
I guess your time and effort, along with the fuel and mileage to harvest oil didn't figure in either.
My cousin has been making bio diesel for over a decade. It's pretty cool. It's a lot of work, unless you are getting it from someone else that's doing all that harvesting and processing. It isn't a good reason to recommend a heavy duty diesel truck for a bass boat. Plus, you smell like French fries. It makes everybody hungry.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to drive a big truck - they're fun, and all the power is cool. But it isn't in the cards. Besides, I'd rather get the less expensive trucks, and have money to buy better gear.
As its been described to me, when figuring the cost of doing something take the hours spent and calculate its value with the per hour rate you are paid at your work. Time is money and make some things done to "save" money not such a great deal.
Like driving ten miles to save a nickel on gas? Lol.
On 2/10/2015 at 3:22 AM, J Francho said:I'll add buying a second car to my list of why a 3/4 ton is the better deal.
If that 3/4 ton is a diesel, then this won't be necessary. We take family vacations regularly in the truck.
On 2/10/2015 at 10:53 PM, J Francho said:My auto downshifts…automatically, lol.
Good luck finding anything above a compact truck with a stick. No one makes them anymore
And if a stick is what tickles your fancy, dodge still offers that option.
Diesel for life... Lol. Just stirring the pot a little looks like the OP has already made his purchase decision so mission accomplished.
On 2/12/2015 at 8:07 PM, J Francho said:I guess your time and effort, along with the fuel and mileage to harvest oil didn't figure in either.
My cousin has been making bio diesel for over a decade. It's pretty cool. It's a lot of work, unless you are getting it from someone else that's doing all that harvesting and processing. It isn't a good reason to recommend a heavy duty diesel truck for a bass boat. Plus, you smell like French fries. It makes everybody hungry.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to drive a big truck - they're fun, and all the power is cool. But it isn't in the cards. Besides, I'd rather get the less expensive trucks, and have money to buy better gear.
The oil isn't hard to come by and you can actually put scents in it. I do my own too. Get off at midnight, 20 mile drive usually gets me home at 12:30. 1am if I stop at all the fast food places and ask for the oil. It just feels weird walking into McDonals and saying....Let me get a 20 piece, large coke, and all the used cooking oil you have.
On 2/12/2015 at 11:29 AM, Trent Wilson said:Laugh all you want. Last batch we cooked up at roughly 17c a gallon. When was gas that low? Not in my lifetime. Granted, startup cost was disturbing...
Where I'm from law enforcement will go after you for running diesel #2 on the road because it doesn't contain a road tax and is intended for farm use. I can't imagine them being too happy about homegrown biodiesel.
On 2/13/2015 at 10:58 AM, TorqueConverter said:Where I'm from law enforcement will go after you for running diesel #2 on the road because it doesn't contain a road tax and is intended for farm use. I can't imagine them being too happy about homegrown biodiesel.
They can't do a thing. I do see where you're coming from, but that's only a requirement for actual farm use diesel. And TN state troopers love those tickets. You pay your tax on the methanol. In the last 2 years I've been running it, I've been stopped multiple times, tested everytime, and fined everytime. You're given a reciept for the methanol that has the same tax as any fuel. Show papers and you're clear. If you can prove it's 100% biodiesel, you're free to go.
Ok guys I ended up getting 13mpg with the boat in tow and 15mpg without it. Loving the new wheels btw and thanks for all the input again.
On 1/29/2015 at 9:05 PM, WIGuide said:It must take you a while to get to the lake at that rate! haha sorry man, had to do it.
1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7 V8
Country driving mileage 14-18
Highway 17-20
Pulling a 17' Ranger 13-14 Doesn't seem to matter if it's freeway or otherwise
Pulling a 20' Ranger 10-12
WIGuide, I do look odd towing an 18.5 foot boat with my Subaru but we get there safely.
What is really funny is looking at the trucks and trailers when parked.
The go truck, truck, truck, truck, Subaru, truck, truck, truck........
Congrats! Enjoy the new wheels.
I am one of the diesel guys. I have an obs powerstroke and I average between 17 and 21 mpg. Towing with a smaller rig is fine if your not dealing with 8% plus grades or have big rims and tires.
03' Tundra, smaller v8, yankin a heavy 20ft bass boat. I get 13-14mpg towing. I can feel the load going uphill. Don't like it but I just have to slow down and wave to the guys going 70.
On 2/18/2015 at 8:55 AM, Sam said:WIGuide, I do look odd towing an 18.5 foot boat with my Subaru but we get there safely.
What is really funny is looking at the trucks and trailers when parked.
The go truck, truck, truck, truck, Subaru, truck, truck, truck........
Hey whatever works! You can always just say that you want to stand out! I don't see anything wrong with it at all. I just got a chuckle from the typo that turned your fuel consumption into a speed.
If all works out well in the near future, I'll be towing with a new Silverado 6.2 or a Colorado 3.6. Just have to really sit down and think about which I like better...
2014 Tundra Crewmax
13.5-14 mpg without boat
12-13 mpg with boat
On 1/29/2015 at 9:53 AM, mjseverson24 said:2006 chevy silverado 5.3L V8 towing a 18 ft full windshield walleye boat I get about 14 MPG... it gets about 20 without the boat...
Mitch
mine the same as mitch only difference is 2012
I have a 2010 Dakota and get 15 mg pulling my boat. The price of gas keeps her in the garage when I don't really need the truck. Had a diesel Liberty before that and it delivered 25 MPG towing, those are hard to find now. Not many were sold in the U.S.