First Boat, New Or Used? 2024
FlipSide reply :
I'm looking to buy my first boat... And I'm stuck between a few models and new or used. I can't decide if I want to buy a mid 2000's Bass Tracker or G3 used. Or if I want to take the money I have saved up and put it towards a new Ranger Aluminum series boat.
I definitely want an aluminum boat for my first boat and I plan on fishing small club tournaments out of it.
KDW96 reply :
I personally would opt for the used ones, IF, everthing checks out ok with it. You will save alot of money in the long run. Most importantly take your time. If something dont settle right with it-let it go. There are alot of boats for sale,and the right one will come your way. Good luck to you....................
FlipSide reply :
Thanks for the reply man, I'm gonna have my father in law check it out with me when I find one to look at. He has had boats all his life. Can anyone that has a bass tracker chime in and give me the pros and con's you have found with it
S Hovanec reply :
If it's your first boat, I'd say go used for a couple reasons:
1. You WILL make mistakes with it and scratch and dent it. You would hate to do that to a new boat.
2. You really don't know what you want in a boat yet. You may go through a couple used boats before you find what you really like.
I started by rebuilding a 14' Starcraft. I fished it for a year or so and found I wanted something bigger. Bought and rebuilt a 16' Sea Nymph. Got a year out of that one before I ordered a new 17' Lund. Been in that one for 9 years. I'd say I found what I was looking for!
FlipSide reply :
That's exactly the reason I want something aluminum, being my first boat I know I'm gonna hit something and I don't want to put a hole in fiberglass lol
S Hovanec reply :
I like aluminum boats. If I had my choice of boat with no budget, I'd end up in another tin rig, just bunches bigger than 17'!
FlipSide reply :
I think I'm going to try and find a boat art least 17.5ft.
Jig Man reply :
If you are looking aluminum decide what you want to have as far as storage, t motor, and cranker. Don't just jump on the first thing that comes along or you'll be sorry in a little while. Most Trackers are made for first time buyers and are way under powered both with tmotor and crankers.
FlipSide reply :
I'm going to try and find a boat with a motor at the top of the max HP rating. And preferably a trolling motor with at least a 55 lb thrust
Fishes in trees reply :
Just my opinion, but even 55 isn't enough for a 17' tin boat. I think you are taking too big a chance of running out of power. I'd go 24 volt, probably an 80 lb Minn Kota. You can't have too much trolling motor..
If you can swing it, I'd say go for the new Ranger aluminum model. They are very well thought out boats. They come with a warranty, which used ones don't. You are in charge of the maintenance from the start. There isn't any chance of you inheriting some one else's problem.
Just depends on how you want to pay for it.
jhoffman reply :
If you have the money I say swing for the fence. You just never really know what someone did to an outboard.
FlipSide reply :
I'll def have a good chunk of cash for a down payment on a new boat. I just have to wait until my credit builds up(I'm 21, not bad credit, don't have any at all). I was just hoping to get into a boat by the fall
Crappiebasser reply :
On 6/2/2014 at 8:23 AM, FlipSide said:I'll def have a good chunk of cash for a down payment on a new boat. I just have to wait until my credit builds up(I'm 21, not bad credit, don't have any at all). I was just hoping to get into a boat by the fall
Get a used boat you can pay cash for. IMO a boat is a foolish reason to go in debt. Used boats depreciate a lot slower than new so when/if you do want to upgrade you won't take a beating on the resale.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/2/2014 at 9:03 AM, Crappiebasser said:Get a used boat you can pay cash for. IMO a boat is a foolish reason to go in debt. Used boats depreciate a lot slower than new so when/if you do want to upgrade you won't take a beating on the resale.
I'll def keep this in mind. I know when I get use to having a boat I will want to upgrade. It will be a couple years down the road for sure and I know I will want a glass boat when I do upgrade
tcbass reply :
On 6/2/2014 at 3:27 AM, Fishes in trees said:Just my opinion, but even 55 isn't enough for a 17' tin boat. I think you are taking too big a chance of running out of power. I'd go 24 volt, probably an 80 lb Minn Kota. You can't have too much trolling motor..
If you can swing it, I'd say go for the new Ranger aluminum model. They are very well thought out boats. They come with a warranty, which used ones don't. You are in charge of the maintenance from the start. There isn't any chance of you inheriting some one else's problem.
Just depends on how you want to pay for it.
I agree on the TM power.
I bought my 1st big boat last year, a used 2000 17.5' Crestliner Fishhawk with a used trolling motor. Without a foot pedal indent I couldn't use the trolling motor, so I ended up going with a new Ipilot 80lbs thrust. Best thing I ever did. I love that trolling motor.
Because kids threw rocks in at the landing I took out a chunk of skeg when I was backing up from the dock. I was mad, but not nearly as mad as I would have been with a brand new boat.
I would definitely recommend a used boat, that way when it gets beaten up you won't be so mad and you will learn a lot about boating and not do it to your new boat. Plus, you can afford a new trolling motor or any other necessities.
martintheduck reply :
I bought my first REAL boat at 23 (im 25 now) and went through EXACTLY what your talking about --- new-vs-used in the tin rig department. I was going to buy a new Tracker 175 and bailed on that idea after some investigation --- I found I could find an AWESOME used rig for the same price point. I eyed craigslist for a few months to see what was selling and the prices.
After 6 or so months of eyeing craigslist, I got serious and started looking at boats in person. I looked at 3 used boats off craigslist and all 3 had problems. I took them all out for test runs and whatnot. I turned all 3 boats down and got frustrated and then decided to up my price range $5,000 and see if I could find some nicer rigs. I found an Xpress h18ss w/ a yamaha 150 pop up for sale shortly after and went to see it the next day. Sucker was in mint condition with only around 10 hours on the motor MAYBE. I was shocked. Talked him down to $19,000 and bought that sucker! So basically, I got a much better rig than a tracker for the same price... and ultimately I felt like I bought a new rig, not a used one. It was a stellar experience --- waiting it out and checking stuff out then finally finding the perfect fit for me.
Moral of the story? Don't buy new, buy used boat in good condition. Find someone who has taken good care of their baby and don't settle for anything less. I turned down one of my 3 boats because the guy let "his buddy" do all the maintenance on his boat and couldn't provide receipts for any of the parts he allegedly bought (the look of the boat didn't reflect that he cared too much too).
On another note --- I don't know how popular they are in KY, but look into Xpress boats. They ride literally, like glass. That hyperlift hull is a great ride. And as for tracker boats --- the problems I was hearing about involve minor issues (like a compartment latch breaking or a switch being bad) Nothing extreme. Solid first boat for sure.
I'll leave you with this bit of wisdom my buddy gave me and it has rung 100% true to me: "Whatever boat you buy, you'll have it for 6 months and want something else." That advice led me into going as "big" as I could afford and it has paid off in spades for me. Sure, I'd like a longer boat and more storage, but until I decide to make that endeavor, I 'm completely comfortable in my 60mph tin rig!
Cheers!
FlipSide reply :
On 6/2/2014 at 2:04 PM, martintheduck said:I bought my first REAL boat at 23 (im 25 now) and went through EXACTLY what your talking about --- new-vs-used in the tin rig department. I was going to buy a new Tracker 175 and bailed on that idea after some investigation --- I found I could find an AWESOME used rig for the same price point. I eyed craigslist for a few months to see what was selling and the prices.
After 6 or so months of eyeing craigslist, I got serious and started looking at boats in person. I looked at 3 used boats off craigslist and all 3 had problems. I took them all out for test runs and whatnot. I turned all 3 boats down and got frustrated and then decided to up my price range $5,000 and see if I could find some nicer rigs. I found an Xpress h18ss w/ a yamaha 150 pop up for sale shortly after and went to see it the next day. Sucker was in mint condition with only around 10 hours on the motor MAYBE. I was shocked. Talked him down to $19,000 and bought that sucker! So basically, I got a much better rig than a tracker for the same price... and ultimately I felt like I bought a new rig, not a used one. It was a stellar experience --- waiting it out and checking stuff out then finally finding the perfect fit for me.
Moral of the story? Don't buy new, buy used boat in good condition. Find someone who has taken good care of their baby and don't settle for anything less. I turned down one of my 3 boats because the guy let "his buddy" do all the maintenance on his boat and couldn't provide receipts for any of the parts he allegedly bought (the look of the boat didn't reflect that he cared too much too).
On another note --- I don't know how popular they are in KY, but look into Xpress boats. They ride literally, like glass. That hyperlift hull is a great ride. And as for tracker boats --- the problems I was hearing about involve minor issues (like a compartment latch breaking or a switch being bad) Nothing extreme. Solid first boat for sure.
I'll leave you with this bit of wisdom my buddy gave me and it has rung 100% true to me: "Whatever boat you buy, you'll have it for 6 months and want something else." That advice led me into going as "big" as I could afford and it has paid off in spades for me. Sure, I'd like a longer boat and more storage, but until I decide to make that endeavor, I 'm completely comfortable in my 60mph tin rig!
Cheers!
Thanks man! This helped a ton, I appreciate the input from someone who was in a simialr situation. Im not in a rush by any means on getting a boat. But I do want one lol.
Im just going to keep searching craigslist and local boat dealers for the right deal to come along.
so far I have gotten that I need:
Outboard near the Max HP rating for the boat
24v TM or a little wiggle room to upgrade when I buy the boat
Storage that fits my needs
The longest boat I can get for my money
I appreciate everyones help!
tcbass reply :
On 6/2/2014 at 9:35 PM, FlipSide said:Thanks man! This helped a ton, I appreciate the input from someone who was in a simialr situation. Im not in a rush by any means on getting a boat. But I do want one lol.
Im just going to keep searching craigslist and local boat dealers for the right deal to come along.
so far I have gotten that I need:
Outboard near the Max HP rating for the boat
24v TM or a little wiggle room to upgrade when I buy the boat
Storage that fits my needs
The longest boat I can get for my money
I appreciate everyones help!
No ones ever said, "I wish I got this boat just a bit smaller."
Boats always appear bigger out of the water.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 1:32 AM, tcbass said:No ones ever said, "I wish I got this boat just a bit smaller."
Boats always appear bigger out of the water.
I know what you mean there
My 12 ft Jon boat looks a lot bigger when it's not in the water
FlipSide reply :
What do you guys think about this.
http://lexington.craigslist.org/boa/4491622893.html
slonezp reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 8:51 AM, FlipSide said:What do you guys think about this.
http://lexington.craigslist.org/boa/4491622893.html
NADA lists the value for $3k less than the ad is asking. That boat probably cost $10k new. Way overpriced
FlipSide reply :
It seems like every boat like that in my general area costs more than the booking price. Greedy ppl lol
slonezp reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 11:00 AM, FlipSide said:It seems like every boat like that in my general area costs more than the booking price. Greedy ppl lol
The inflated prices of new boats have driven up the prices of used boats. Banks and insurance companies use NADA as a guide for valuing boats. Be patient. Owning a boat is not an investment. It is a hobby. I bought my 3rd and possibly last boat last year and it took 3 years of research and boat "hunting" to finally make the purchase. Good deals come along on used boats. You need to be informed and ready when it happens. If you don't already have one, find a trustworthy boat mechanic that can give the motor the once over before you pull the trigger. Truth be told, I've had more difficulty finding a good jon boat for a decent price than I had buying my Lund
FlipSide reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 11:20 AM, slonezp said:The inflated prices of new boats have driven up the prices of used boats. Banks and insurance companies use NADA as a guide for valuing boats. Be patient. Owning a boat is not an investment. It is a hobby. I bought my 3rd and possibly last boat last year and it took 3 years of research and boat "hunting" to finally make the purchase. Good deals come along on used boats. You need to be informed and ready when it happens. If you don't already have one, find a trustworthy boat mechanic that can give the motor the once over before you pull the trigger. Truth be told, I've had more difficulty finding a good jon boat for a decent price than I had buying my Lund
Thanks for the advice man,
Im def gonna take my time with this. I know eventually a good deal will arise.
I don't have a mechanic to look it over, but I have my father in law. He has owned boats all of his life and knows a good deal about outboards so Im going to take him along for the ride lol
WIGuide reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 8:51 AM, FlipSide said:What do you guys think about this.
http://lexington.craigslist.org/boa/4491622893.html
That boat is over priced and it's got a great big old "don't go there" hanging off the back. That motor, although says made by Mercury is still a Force motor. You probably don't know but those are about the worst motors in the history of outboards. There are a very select few that haven't had many problems, but the vast majority do. Before the company was bought out by Mercury the motors would test out severely under the 10% horsepower rating. (new motors are allowed to be within +/- 10% of their rated horsepower). I know their older 150's were only putting out about 85 HP. I've heard a lot about their horrible tolerance on parts as well. You can order a part for the motor you have and it won't fit the same as what was on there. A lot of times when you see boats with them on the back for sale, they have problems selling even at deep discounts since you'd be better off buying one without a motor.
As far as NADA goes, it's a little on the low sided. They've been doing some updating lately so it's a little more accurate but if you can find one close to that price it's usually a pretty good deal unless it's all beat up.
My friend has an 05 Tracker PT 175. It's a pretty nice boat. It'd be a good starter boat for you, even though there are some things they do with them that just don't make sense but it would do the job for you. I've heard really good things about the Ranger aluminum boats too. Ranger might not be the cheapest, but that's because they're the best.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 10:36 PM, WIGuide said:That boat is over priced and it's got a great big old "don't go there" hanging off the back. That motor, although says made by Mercury is still a Force motor. You probably don't know but those are about the worst motors in the history of outboards. There are a very select few that haven't had many problems, but the vast majority do. Before the company was bought out by Mercury the motors would test out severely under the 10% horsepower rating. (new motors are allowed to be within +/- 10% of their rated horsepower). I know their older 150's were only putting out about 85 HP. I've heard a lot about their horrible tolerance on parts as well. You can order a part for the motor you have and it won't fit the same as what was on there. A lot of times when you see boats with them on the back for sale, they have problems selling even at deep discounts since you'd be better off buying one without a motor.
As far as NADA goes, it's a little on the low sided. They've been doing some updating lately so it's a little more accurate but if you can find one close to that price it's usually a pretty good deal unless it's all beat up.
My friend has an 05 Tracker PT 175. It's a pretty nice boat. It'd be a good starter boat for you, even though there are some things they do with them that just don't make sense but it would do the job for you. I've heard really good things about the Ranger aluminum boats too. Ranger might not be the cheapest, but that's because they're the best.
Thanks for the heads up man. How do I tell if it is a Force motor or not? So I will know when looking in the future.
Also, I really really like the Ranger aluminum series, but I don't want to wait that long to get one. More than likely it would be winter before I had enough credit built up to finance.
I have around 7k right now, I know that would be a hefty down payment but I'm not sure if they would finance even with the good downpayment and no credit.
WIGuide reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 11:37 PM, FlipSide said:Thanks for the heads up man. How do I tell if it is a Force motor or not? So I will know when looking in the future.
Also, I really really like the Ranger aluminum series, but I don't want to wait that long to get one. More than likely it would be winter before I had enough credit built up to finance.
I have around 7k right now, I know that would be a hefty down payment but I'm not sure if they would finance even with the good downpayment and no credit.
The older Forces before they were bought out were either Force or Chrysler. Chrysler would have been no newer than about early 80's . In the range it looks like you're looking in they would have been called the Mercury Power Series motors. Some of them do say Force on them. Unfortunately the pics the guy posted on the link you shared didn't show it in great detail. Here's what you don't see in his pics,
http://greatlakesskipper.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/0/1047038-2.jpg
The Mercury's will look completely different and depending on the year may or may not be called the "Pro Series".
The other way you can tell, is by the shape of the motor.
Force:
http://fishingboatwiring.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/1989-Force-85.jpg
http://www.smalloutboards.com/images/f4094xjun11/side2.jpg
Mercury:
http://blueoceansmarine.com/132-357-thickbox/1999-used-50-hp-mercury-outboard-motor-for-sale.jpg
http://media.channelblade.com/boat_graphics/dealers/6631/digi49986100_l.jpg
As for financing, you can always look into it and see if they'll do it. If not, you can buy a pretty decent used boat with what you've got saved up.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 2:26 AM, WIGuide said:The older Forces before they were bought out were either Force or Chrysler. Chrysler would have been no newer than about early 80's . In the range it looks like you're looking in they would have been called the Mercury Power Series motors. Some of them do say Force on them. Unfortunately the pics the guy posted on the link you shared didn't show it in great detail. Here's what you don't see in his pics,
http://greatlakesskipper.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/0/1047038-2.jpg
The Mercury's will look completely different and depending on the year may or may not be called the "Pro Series".
The other way you can tell, is by the shape of the motor.
Force:
http://fishingboatwiring.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/1989-Force-85.jpg
http://www.smalloutboards.com/images/f4094xjun11/side2.jpg
Mercury:
http://blueoceansmarine.com/132-357-thickbox/1999-used-50-hp-mercury-outboard-motor-for-sale.jpg
http://media.channelblade.com/boat_graphics/dealers/6631/digi49986100_l.jpg
As for financing, you can always look into it and see if they'll do it. If not, you can buy a pretty decent used boat with what you've got saved up.
Thanks a lot man. You probably just saved me a world of headache. I appreciate it
I might call tomorrow if I get a chance and see about financing. Are there any other used aluminum boats that are going to be around the 10k mark and be better than a tracker.
slonezp reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 6:38 AM, FlipSide said:Thanks a lot man. You probably just saved me a world of headache. I appreciate it
I might call tomorrow if I get a chance and see about financing. Are there any other used aluminum boats that are going to be around the 10k mark and be better than a tracker.
There are tons of used tin boats that could fit the bill. Be patient. If you want an aluminum "bass" boat, look up Sea Ark, Xpress, G3, Lowe, Crestliner, War Eagle, Alumacraft, Alweld, and probably a few more. For 10k, you should be able to find something in the 90hp range around 8-10 years old.
FlipSide reply :
http://nashville.craigslist.org/boa/4479650846.html
How about this?
WIGuide reply :
That's not too bad, but it seems a little high especially given the fact it's a little under powered. Those are rated for a 150 and I found somewhere online that new with a 150 they ran about around $14K. Not quite as important, but something to note...that red carpet will turn pink as it fades so that's something to think about.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 9:09 PM, WIGuide said:That's not too bad, but it seems a little high especially given the fact it's a little under powered. Those are rated for a 150 and I found somewhere online that new with a 150 they ran about around $14K. Not quite as important, but something to note...that red carpet will turn pink as it fades so that's something to think about.
I could probably use those things to negotiate him down a bit... If I end up getting a used boat more than likely I'm going to replace the carpet in it this winter. I need a good project anyways.
I really like the fact that its a 20' boat, and from the pictures looks really wide.
I wonder what the total package weight would be... I have a 2011 Jeep Liberty and its has a 5000lb tow rating. I think I read somewhere to stay below 80% of that which would be 4000lb.
Do you think the 125 would have any trouble pushing that boat around?
WIGuide reply :
You're right it is a big boat. The hull weight is 1040 lbs, the motor is probably in the upper 3's plus a trailer and all your gear. Figuring on the high side you'd be talking around 3000 to 3500 lbs. The motor will push it around ok I'm sure, but you're going to notice more of a difference when you add weight. If you take a buddy with and add in the weight of a full livewell, gas and extra gear, it might be a dog out of the hole. I see it has a fin which usually means it was a dog to begin with. If I'm not mistaken that Mercury has the 2+2 design. It kicks out 2 cylinders while idling at a low RPM to help save gas and also to make it quieter. They've been known to be a little laggy because they don't kick in instantaneously. Overall though it looks like a pretty good boat, the price just seems high. Worst part is there's not tons of them out there to look around and see what the market value is. If I remember correctly from the ad, it's been advertised for a while, which is a good indicator of a price that's on the high side. Boats that are good deals on CL can vanish in a matter of hours.
Christian M reply :
Definitely go used. A Tracker is a great starter boat, as are many other brands out there. If you find a boat for the right price that doesn't have the trolling motor that you want, installing a new one is pretty easy if you're handy. I was in the same position as you two years ago. I was fishing tournaments out of an old, all electric tri-hull, and it was time to set up to a Bass Boat. I wanted a tin boat for many of the same reasons. After doing a good amount of research and scouring Craigslist for about 4 months, I found a 96 Tracker PT17 sitting on a matching 06 Tracker Trailstar. The guy that I bought it from had just finished paying it off and needed the money. The boat had been kept it in a heated garage, and it was obvious that it was rarely used. Three of my buddies had the same model Trackers, (late 80's up to 2010), which I had fished out of dozens of times and fell in love with. I knew that the trolling motor was underpowered, and that the rod storage was way too short. The boat originally had a 40hp Mercury Tracker on it, but due to HP restrictions in NJ, he had it swapped out for a 9.9 Mercury Tracker with maybe 5-10 hours on it, which was fine by me. I ended up talking him down to $2500 and buying the boat. From there I spent the leftover money on a 55lb MK trolling motor in front, a kicker bracket for my 55lb transom mount MK, two new Humminbird FishFinder/GPS combos, and 3 new Optima batteries. It took a while to swap everything out, but for what amounted to about $1200 extra, I set the boat up exactly how I wanted, and learned a lot about tin Bass Boats in the process. Personally I really enjoy working on my boat, and I get a sense of pride when I make an upgrade. Anyway, all turned out well for me & I hope it does for you too, good luck!
P.S- What are you going to be towing the boat with? Thats definitely something you want to put some thought into.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 11:16 PM, Christian M said:I'd say go used, you'll save a ton of money, you own it flat out, and thats one less bill every month. A tin boat (especially a tracker) is a great starter boat, and you can get to know the ins and outs of a bass boat. Personally, I really enjoy working on my boat. Installing a new trolling motor is pretty easy if you're handy, and you can upgrade & add pretty much whatever you want to it. I bought a 96, lightly used Tracker & I've added a 55lb TM in the front (pushes the boat just fine), a 55lb TM in back (for larger electric only lakes), and I swapped out both fishfinders. It cost me about a third of what a new boat would have, and I get compliments all the time. Like most of the posts say, dont rush into a buy, there are plenty of boats for sale out there.
I'm really back and forth on the new/used thing, It will probably depend on when I find a nice used boat and if I have credit built up then. Im leaning away from the bass trackers though, I've been reading a lot of reviews and correct me if I'm wrong but the better route to go would be a G3, Xpress, or Sea Ark. I don't think the trackers are bad boats by any means, I just think that they are a lot more common and therefore mishandled and the proper upkeep is not done by the majority.
On 6/4/2014 at 11:10 PM, WIGuide said:You're right it is a big boat. The hull weight is 1040 lbs, the motor is probably in the upper 3's plus a trailer and all your gear. Figuring on the high side you'd be talking around 3000 to 3500 lbs. The motor will push it around ok I'm sure, but you're going to notice more of a difference when you add weight. If you take a buddy with and add in the weight of a full livewell, gas and extra gear, it might be a dog out of the hole. I see it has a fin which usually means it was a dog to begin with. If I'm not mistaken that Mercury has the 2+2 design. It kicks out 2 cylinders while idling at a low RPM to help save gas and also to make it quieter. They've been known to be a little laggy because they don't kick in instantaneously. Overall though it looks like a pretty good boat, the price just seems high. Worst part is there's not tons of them out there to look around and see what the market value is. If I remember correctly from the ad, it's been advertised for a while, which is a good indicator of a price that's on the high side. Boats that are good deals on CL can vanish in a matter of hours.
So from that I would say that the Liberty would handle that fine.
and sorry for my lack of knowledge but what is a fin?
The high price and time on the market could be a good thing, might be able to talk the guy down considerably if I end up liking the boat.
Christian M reply :
On 6/5/2014 at 2:48 AM, FlipSide said:I'm really back and forth on the new/used thing, It will probably depend on when I find a nice used boat and if I have credit built up then. Im leaning away from the bass trackers though, I've been reading a lot of reviews and correct me if I'm wrong but the better route to go would be a G3, Xpress, or Sea Ark. I don't think the trackers are bad boats by any means, I just think that they are a lot more common and therefore mishandled and the proper upkeep is not done by the majority.
Trackers are definitely one of, if not the most popular or common aluminum bass boats, and theres a reason for that. If taken care of and properly maintained, they last forever, and hold their value. I like to call them the Jeeps of Aluminum Bass Boats. Yes Xpress and SeaArk make a great boat, even superior to Tracker, but you feel it in you're wallet when you spring for one. As far as lack of upkeep, well that will kill any boat, no matter what the brand. Also, Tracker is one of the only welded aluminum boats that you can buy in that price range. I've seen a Tracker fall off of the trailer into the road, and with a little welding, it was as on the water the next day without a dent or leak. It was sold for twice what the guy paid a year later. I'm definitely bias because I've had nothing but good experience with Trackers. Go for the boat that feels right, you'll know when you find it.
Christian M reply :
With a 3.7 Liberty, you're gonna wanna stay in the 2500lb range. I have an 07 Xterra with a 4.0 with a 5000 lb tow rating & my father has a 2011 Wrangler Sport. I've towed my Tracker, which weighs in at around 2000lbs & both pull the boat with no problem. My Xterra has more towing power, but the Wrangler has more stopping power. You Should be ok, my mechanic says that you shouldn't exceed 50% of the max tow rating, but I think 75% is more realistic.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/5/2014 at 3:30 AM, Christian M said:Trackers are definitely one of, if not the most popular or common aluminum bass boats, and theres a reason for that. If taken care of and properly maintained, they last forever, and hold their value. I like to call them the Jeeps of Aluminum Bass Boats. Yes Xpress and SeaArk make a great boat, even superior to Tracker, but you feel it in you're wallet when you spring for one. As far as lack of upkeep, well that will kill any boat, no matter what the brand. Also, Tracker is one of the only welded aluminum boats that you can buy in that price range. I've seen a Tracker fall off of the trailer into the road, and with a little welding, it was as on the water the next day without a dent or leak. It was sold for twice what the guy paid a year later. I'm definitely bias because I've had nothing but good experience with Trackers. Go for the boat that feels right, you'll know when you find it.
Im saying that there are more trackers that you see beat into the ground because they are so common, its hard to find one that has been kept up properly.
Im just going to keep looking and if something catches my eye and checks out okay then ill go for it
Christian M reply :
Definitely, I wouldnt go for a Tracker, or for that matter a Ranger, if it was beat into the ground. Take your time & find a boat that suites your needs amd wants. Dont get pressured or rushed into a sale & make sure you really love the boat you end up with. You cant go wrong that way.
WIGuide reply :
On 6/5/2014 at 2:48 AM, FlipSide said:and sorry for my lack of knowledge but what is a fin?
The high price and time on the market could be a good thing, might be able to talk the guy down considerably if I end up liking the boat.
http://images.craigslist.org/00G0G_4HtrxcGjkdv_600x450.jpg
What it is: http://www.basspro.com/StingRay-XRIII-Hydrofoil-Stabilizers-for-Boat-Motors/product/91124/
If you look in the pic see the red and gray thing under the water. That's a fin. It bolts to the cavitation plate to help planing. They do work at helping get the boat up on plane. As far as the rest of the claims, not usually so much. Their marketing makes them out to be a bolt on performance add on that's the best thing since sliced bread, but most people associate them with a boat that is a dog and under powered.
You might be able to get him down some. Not sure if it'll be enough but hey, the worst he can say is no so go ahead and check it out.
This is a little high on the price too but you might want to check it out. It looks like it's in very good shape. Bargaining points would be under powered TM, lack of electronics, and that it's 7 years old already. http://nashville.craigslist.org/boa/4483029239.html
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FlipSide reply :
On 6/5/2014 at 8:28 PM, WIGuide said:http://images.craigslist.org/00G0G_4HtrxcGjkdv_600x450.jpg
What it is: http://www.basspro.com/StingRay-XRIII-Hydrofoil-Stabilizers-for-Boat-Motors/product/91124/
If you look in the pic see the red and gray thing under the water. That's a fin. It bolts to the cavitation plate to help planing. They do work at helping get the boat up on plane. As far as the rest of the claims, not usually so much. Their marketing makes them out to be a bolt on performance add on that's the best thing since sliced bread, but most people associate them with a boat that is a dog and under powered.
You might be able to get him down some. Not sure if it'll be enough but hey, the worst he can say is no so go ahead and check it out.
This is a little high on the price too but you might want to check it out. It looks like it's in very good shape. Bargaining points would be under powered TM, lack of electronics, and that it's 7 years old already. http://nashville.craigslist.org/boa/4483029239.html
Edited for link issue
I see what your talking about now, I'll be sure to keep on the look out for those.
That tracker looks to be in very good shape, I'm sure I could get him down a little bit, according to NADA book value on it would be $6900. Other than the price that looks like a very solid boat. I'm definitely going to talk to the guy and see about going to look at it.
WIGuide reply :
On 6/5/2014 at 9:26 PM, FlipSide said:I see what your talking about now, I'll be sure to keep on the look out for those.
That tracker looks to be in very good shape, I'm sure I could get him down a little bit, according to NADA book value on it would be $6900. Other than the price that looks like a very solid boat. I'm definitely going to talk to the guy and see about going to look at it.
NADA tends to be on the low side of retail, but it never hurts to let him know that number. I'd say somewhere in the mid 7's would be a decent buy.
jhoffman reply :
Do yourself a favor and go look at the price of a new motor. Think about shelling that out of your bank account when it doesnt run how you want it. Do you know what a brand new even 60hp motor goes for these days? $7k! Now think about wanting a new 150 or 200 on the back. Outboards generally are built really well and will give a long long service life if taken care of.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/6/2014 at 12:50 AM, jhoffman said:Do yourself a favor and go look at the price of a new motor. Think about shelling that out of your bank account when it doesnt run how you want it. Do you know what a brand new even 60hp motor goes for these days? $7k! Now think about wanting a new 150 or 200 on the back. Outboards generally are built really well and will give a long long service life if taken care of.
I looked that up thinking I could save some money by finding a boat with a bad motor and just buying one. Found out pretty quick my pockets don't go that deep lol
FlipSide reply :
On 6/5/2014 at 11:06 PM, WIGuide said:NADA tends to be on the low side of retail, but it never hurts to let him know that number. I'd say somewhere in the mid 7's would be a decent buy.
Guy sent me more pics and is suppose to be sending more here in a bit. Looks really clean. How do I post them here from my android?
FlipSide reply :
http://carbondale.craigslist.org/boa/4449342425.html
What do you guys think about this. I talked to the guy and I feel like I may be able to talk him down a bit and have some money left over for a few upgrades
slonezp reply :
That's probably the most reasonably priced boat you've posted. One thing to take note of. It could be the pics, it could be the boat. It looks like the hull has never been cleaned. Not necessarily a bad thing but it's a sign that maybe it wasn't taken care of. I urge you to have the motor checked professionally.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/6/2014 at 11:43 AM, slonezp said:That's probably the most reasonably priced boat you've posted. One thing to take note of. It could be the pics, it could be the boat. It looks like the hull has never been cleaned. Not necessarily a bad thing but it's a sign that maybe it wasn't taken care of. I urge you to have the motor checked professionally.
I'm going to look at it on Saturday. I'm taking my father in law. No professional but he knows quite a bit about them. Gonna have him check it out. Gonna take it out on the water and see how it runs. The guy said the motor was just serviced and had new spark plugs put on.
Hubtech reply :
+1 for Tracker as a first. I just purchased my Grandfathers 94 TX17 and it's perfect for what I wanted. Only has a Merc 40 on it which is a little slow, but it gets me going around 27. Rated up to a 70 horse, may upgrade if i have spare change laying around. anywho, love the boat, good big deck front and back, I like that pt 17 you posted.
WIGuide reply :
That one looks a little rougher but that's not saying it's bad, but you can tell it wasn't taken care of as well at least cosmetically. As far as the boats go, there are trade offs to both. The 04 is older, not as well taken care of, and at least in my opinion, the layout isn't as good and it's not that much cheaper. The 07 has a smaller Motor, TM, and a cheaper locator. If I had to choose between the two, I know which one I'd be looking at, but it really comes down to which is a better option for you. Also, remember these are not the only two boats out there, and if the deal is not right, the deal is not right. Boat prices should be going down slightly as the summer goes on and will be cheapest in the fall/winter months.
If you want to post pictures I think you have to upload them to an image hosting site. I know imgur has a good smart phone app that you can upload them on there and then post the link to the pics on here.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/6/2014 at 8:55 PM, WIGuide said:That one looks a little rougher but that's not saying it's bad, but you can tell it wasn't taken care of as well at least cosmetically. As far as the boats go, there are trade offs to both. The 04 is older, not as well taken care of, and at least in my opinion, the layout isn't as good and it's not that much cheaper. The 07 has a smaller Motor, TM, and a cheaper locator. If I had to choose between the two, I know which one I'd be looking at, but it really comes down to which is a better option for you. Also, remember these are not the only two boats out there, and if the deal is not right, the deal is not right. Boat prices should be going down slightly as the summer goes on and will be cheapest in the fall/winter months.
If you want to post pictures I think you have to upload them to an image hosting site. I know imgur has a good smart phone app that you can upload them on there and then post the link to the pics on here.
The one you posted the other day is a no go, the guy thats selling it seems sketchy, I asked about a title and he wouldn't give me a straight answer, said he has only had the boat for 2 months. Not going down that road.
WIGuide reply :
Good choice then, if it seems sketchy do not proceed.
FlipSide reply :
http://www.renegademarine.net/inventory.asp?cat=3&pid=298
What are you guys thoughts on this. Gonna call tomorrow and get a price.
Edit: I don't think that's a force motor on it, but if anyone could help me out I would appreciate it
Didn't go look at the 04 tracker this weekend. Again, title issues. Did stop by a couple dealers here in town and checked out a Lowe stinger 175. It was pretty nice but had 2 live wells. Seems like wasted space to me. Did figure out I want something at least 17ft long. Seen a 16ft and it just didn't have any storage
WIGuide reply :
What was the title issue? That looks like it's in pretty good shape. It is not a Force so you're in the clear there. One thing to note is that being that it's at a dealer the price will be higher, that's just a given.
RoLo reply :
Before comparing any two boats, I'd suggest that you create a long list of your priorities.
For instance, which is more important to you, stability at rest or stability underway,
top speed or fuel economy, draft or freeboard, helm space or deck space ~ ~ ~ ~.
In this manner you might be able to curtail the serial boat-buying curve
that afflicts most boat owners, myself included 
Roger
FlipSide reply :
On 6/9/2014 at 10:49 PM, WIGuide said:What was the title issue? That looks like it's in pretty good shape. It is not a Force so you're in the clear there. One thing to note is that being that it's at a dealer the price will be higher, that's just a given.
Said he has had the boat for 8 months, got it in a trade and decided last week to go register it in his name and was waiting for it in the mail. I dont really believe it, maybe im just being to cautious, but I really dont think so.
and I called about the one at the dealer, they want $8900! Doesn't seem just a little steep to me, seems quite a bit steep. Especially being a 2000 model. Wonder if I offered them cash if that would change their mind.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/9/2014 at 11:16 PM, RoLo said:Before comparing any two boats, I'd suggest that you create a long list of your priorities.
For instance, which is more important to you, stability at rest or stability underway,
top speed or fuel economy, draft or freeboard, helm space or deck space ~ ~ ~ ~.
In this manner you might be able to curtail the serial boat-buying curve
that afflicts most boat owners, myself included
Roger
I have the list of priorities! Just not on paper, lol
its in my head, it would probably be a good idea to write that down. Im still wondering if I should just save up and buy something new so I dont have to deal with other peoples problems.
Im startying to think that is gonna be my best route the way these boat prices are.
RoLo reply :
On 6/10/2014 at 1:44 AM, FlipSide said:I have the list of priorities! Just not on paper, lol
its in my head, it would probably be a good idea to write that down. Im still wondering if I should just save up and buy something new so I dont have to deal with other peoples problems. Im startying to think that is gonna be my best route the way these boat prices are.
Based on what I've seen and heard from other boaters, my leaning has always been toward new boats.
When moving from spot-to-spot, most boaters seem compelled to run at full-throttle with the engine screaming for mercy.
Buying a used boat can save you a bundle of money, but insist on a test spin so you can see, hear & critique the powerplant.
Roger
WIGuide reply :
Although it does seem a little sketchy, it may not be. If he got it as a trade and the previous owner had it registered, he could use it that way without transferring the title or paying the tax. If he didn't use it like he thought he would, or didn't like it as much as he thought he would and decided to sell, he would have to get the title in his name to sell it otherwise he would be title jumping. Not saying that's what it is, but there are explanations for it. In fact, I sold my boat to upgrade about two years ago and got registration renewal papers sent to me this spring. The guy decided to use it until the registration expired and this year he'd have to put it in his name.
Haha yeah, I mean it is an 18 footer with a 90 so it's value is going to go up but that is a bit high.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/10/2014 at 5:11 AM, WIGuide said:Although it does seem a little sketchy, it may not be. If he got it as a trade and the previous owner had it registered, he could use it that way without transferring the title or paying the tax. If he didn't use it like he thought he would, or didn't like it as much as he thought he would and decided to sell, he would have to get the title in his name to sell it otherwise he would be title jumping. Not saying that's what it is, but there are explanations for it. In fact, I sold my boat to upgrade about two years ago and got registration renewal papers sent to me this spring. The guy decided to use it until the registration expired and this year he'd have to put it in his name.
Haha yeah, I mean it is an 18 footer with a 90 so it's value is going to go up but that is a bit high.
Still not going down that route lol, honest or not it sketches me out so I'm going to pass.
As for the '00 I thought so, It books for around 6k so I was thinking offering them 6.5k they would jump all over it. But that is logical thinking and I'm learning every day that more and more people don't possess the logical thinking gene.
WIGuide reply :
Haha very true! I think you're learning that buying a boat isn't something you just wake up one morning and decide to do, it's more of a process! You'll find the right one, just keep looking!
FlipSide reply :
On 6/10/2014 at 7:52 PM, WIGuide said:Haha very true! I think you're learning that buying a boat isn't something you just wake up one morning and decide to do, it's more of a process! You'll find the right one, just keep looking!
It definitely is a process lol
As for the right one, I'm now considering driving up to 6 or so hours away to find one. A one day trip for something I'm going to have quite some time doesn't seem like a bad idea at all, especially since once I go around 4 or 5 hours away the possibilities pretty much double.
slonezp reply :
On 6/10/2014 at 9:08 PM, FlipSide said:It definitely is a process lol
As for the right one, I'm now considering driving up to 6 or so hours away to find one. A one day trip for something I'm going to have quite some time doesn't seem like a bad idea at all, especially since once I go around 4 or 5 hours away the possibilities pretty much double.
You might find someone on one of the boards who lives where the boat is located. Some might be willing to give it a preliminary look for you before you make the trek.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/10/2014 at 9:13 PM, slonezp said:You might find someone on one of the boards who lives where the boat is located. Some might be willing to give it a preliminary look for you before you make the trek.
I didn't really think about that, hell I would even throw 20 or 30 bucks to them if they went and checked it out for me
tcbass reply :
On 6/10/2014 at 9:08 PM, FlipSide said:It definitely is a process lol
As for the right one, I'm now considering driving up to 6 or so hours away to find one. A one day trip for something I'm going to have quite some time doesn't seem like a bad idea at all, especially since once I go around 4 or 5 hours away the possibilities pretty much double.
My buddy drove 6 hours to see a boat. Didn't buy it. Drove another 4 hours to see one and bought a great boat. Older but only used a few times. The guy bought it and died. It was stored for years until his family got around to selling it. It's like in new condition and he got a great price because the family just wanted to get rid of it.
jhoffman reply :
I bought my boat local, dropped about 2k in it right off the start for electronics and what not that were shot, thursday its getn its new rebuilt motor thats another 2k... point is, I wouldve had a new one half paid off by now.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 4:11 AM, jhoffman said:I bought my boat local, dropped about 2k in it right off the start for electronics and what not that were shot, thursday its getn its new rebuilt motor thats another 2k... point is, I wouldve had a new one half paid off by now.
Thats exactly what I don't want to end up doing, putting a ton more money into it right after I buy it. Im also leaving room in my budget to have a little left to repair if necessary.
jhoffman reply :
Im telln you, if you got it, go buy the new boat. Machines in life live one of two lives, babied and cared for or strait up beat. Its really hard to find the guys that take care of their toys, not impossible but its typically reflected in price. If you see a boat that you think wow thats really nice but his price is a tad high, he probably has an entire folder on the maintenance done to whatever that machine might be. Theres so many ways for something mechanical like a motor to fail that if you dont keep on top little things fail which lead to big things.
Maybe the guy saw it quit peeing and ran it all day anyhow in short bursts cause he just felt the need to fish, do you know that happened? Of course you dont. Did they change the lower unit oil regularly? If it was a four stroke did they change its oil, if its a two stroke did they mix it right? Did they spray ether in the carb throat to start it one day? Do they ever lube the grease fittings. Its on and on and on. The only way to ever know is to buy the machine new and then you know what happened from day one.
Youll read about a guy finding a good boat for a killer deal, but for every boat a guy got a deal on ten guys got blindly screwed without ever knowing.
I read on a texas forum the other day, guy bought a three year old nitro that delaminated the hull within two weeks of purchase. Being that he was now the third owner, it wasnt under warranty. A lot of guys thought the previous hit something and never told him and my guess is thats exactly what happened. He was out.... $30k
jhoffman reply :
If I were gonna buy another used boat tomorrow my criteria would be that it be less than 5 years old and I want proof it was taken care of. I want compression readings, I want receipts, I want information from the dealer if serviced there. I want an oil sample if its a four stroke and Im sending it to blackstone labs for an analysis. Yeah, its anal, but man getting the stickns on big money toys hurts me way to much to just take it.
Ive missed the spawn two years in a row now dealing with motor issues due to neglect. Its why its getting a rebuilt motor from a dealer thursday. I saw motors cheaper, but once you have towed a boat to a ramp several times and not gone fishing, you get sick of that real quick.
slonezp reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 5:56 AM, jhoffman said:If I were gonna buy another used boat tomorrow my criteria would be that it be less than 5 years old and I want proof it was taken care of. I want compression readings, I want receipts, I want information from the dealer if serviced there. I want an oil sample if its a four stroke and Im sending it to blackstone labs for an analysis. Yeah, its anal, but man getting the stickns on big money toys hurts me way to much to just take it.
Ive missed the spawn two years in a row now dealing with motor issues due to neglect. Its why its getting a rebuilt motor from a dealer thursday. I saw motors cheaper, but once you have towed a boat to a ramp several times and not gone fishing, you get sick of that real quick.
I know guys who regularly trade in boats once the motor warranty is up
FlipSide reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 5:56 AM, jhoffman said:If I were gonna buy another used boat tomorrow my criteria would be that it be less than 5 years old and I want proof it was taken care of. I want compression readings, I want receipts, I want information from the dealer if serviced there. I want an oil sample if its a four stroke and Im sending it to blackstone labs for an analysis. Yeah, its anal, but man getting the stickns on big money toys hurts me way to much to just take it.
Ive missed the spawn two years in a row now dealing with motor issues due to neglect. Its why its getting a rebuilt motor from a dealer thursday. I saw motors cheaper, but once you have towed a boat to a ramp several times and not gone fishing, you get sick of that real quick.
I guess the smart thing to do would be to just fish out of my Jon boat for the remainder of the season and pick something brand new up in the fall. I should have enough credit built up by then and at least a 10k down payment. It would probably be much easier in the long run.
I was just wanting to get into a boat by late summer to fish the latter half of the tourneys in my area. But I suppose fishing as a co angler won't hurt a thing.
I really appreciate everyone's advice. I'm glad to be a part of such a helpful community here.
FL Bass Abducter reply :
Even if you were to buy a brand new top of the line Ranger, Basscat, Legend, etc, it would take you the first year to get all of the bugs worked out of it. Guys on here who have never owned a big rig probably think I'm nuts LOL Trust me, every new boat has problems.
Let someone else get those problems straightened out AND take the hit on depreciation.
The new Ranger tin boats are very nice, but very expensive. Might I suggest taking a look at an Xpress? They are very well built, all aluminum, no wood anywhere, welded, have a pad type hull, and run like a glass boat. I've fished out of G3 and Tracker boats. My opinion is that I would steer clear of them. They don't compare to Xpress in build quality or performance.
Good luck!
slonezp reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 11:57 AM, FlipSide said:
I guess the smart thing to do would be to just fish out of my Jon boat for the remainder of the season and pick something brand new up in the fall. I should have enough credit built up by then and at least a 10k down payment. It would probably be much easier in the long run.
I was just wanting to get into a boat by late summer to fish the latter half of the tourneys in my area. But I suppose fishing as a co angler won't hurt a thing.
I really appreciate everyone's advice. I'm glad to be a part of such a helpful community here.
Buy in the late winter during boat show season. You will have the choice of last years leftovers, as well as the latest years promotions.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 12:34 PM, FL Bass Abducter said:Even if you were to buy a brand new top of the line Ranger, Basscat, Legend, etc, it would take you the first year to get all of the bugs worked out of it. Guys on here who have never owned a big rig probably think I'm nuts LOL Trust me, every new boat has problems.
Let someone else get those problems straightened out AND take the hit on depreciation.
The new Ranger tin boats are very nice, but very expensive. Might I suggest taking a look at an Xpress? They are very well built, all aluminum, no wood anywhere, welded, have a pad type hull, and run like a glass boat. I've fished out of G3 and Tracker boats. My opinion is that I would steer clear of them. They don't compare to Xpress in build quality or performance.
Good luck!
From what I've seen a new Ranger aluminum is cheaper than a new Xpress, and used Xpress boats are very hard to come by.
jhoffman reply :
If I were buying brand new aluminum id go for the xpress too. You might have to give up something to come down to what you can afford but the xpress is proven. I cant in good faith give you a recommendation on a ranger, that design is too new. If it was glass, yeah sure.
Did jfranco ever sell his xpress? If not that would be the used boat for you to buy. Might be a long trip but worth it.
FlipSide reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 6:35 AM, jhoffman said:If I were buying brand new aluminum id go for the xpress too. You might have to give up something to come down to what you can afford but the xpress is proven. I cant in good faith give you a recommendation on a ranger, that design is too new. If it was glass, yeah sure.
Did jfranco ever sell his xpress? If not that would be the used boat for you to buy. Might be a long trip but worth it.
I'm not knocking the xpress boats. It was actually mentioned by someone earlier and I looked into them. I wish their website would let you build one to your specs and show the price
slonezp reply :
Ranger RT188 with a 115 can be had around $26k. They are having some issues with porposing which they are trying to correct
FlipSide reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 8:22 AM, slonezp said:Ranger RT188 with a 115 can be had around $26k. They are having some issues with porposing which they are trying to correct
Some people are saying that the older models didnt come with tabs welded on the bottom or something like that. I think you can get them installed for free under warranty.
Not sure if that completely took care of the issue or not though
FlipSide reply :
What do you guys think about these?
http://louisville.craigslist.org/boa/4523829972.html
http://louisville.craigslist.org/bod/4523373666.html
http://louisville.craigslist.org/bod/4523326144.html
FrankW reply :
Hi FlipSide,
I see from your pictures that the boats you are looking at have ribs on the bottom. Most metal boats with the angle iron ribs on the bottom has multiple ribs near the rear of the boat. This ribs are a major pain if you fish stump fields. You can trap a stump or limb between the ribs and it takes a bit of effort to get off. My express has a stepped hull and is the best choice for fishing stump fields.
Most of the boats you have shown have inexpensive fish finders that came stock on the boat. Fish finders and trolling motors are one place Tracker and others save money on. When someone sells their boat they remove the upgraded fish finder and replace with the old cheap one. Very few will have a GPS on a used boat. The Fishfinder/GPS is the most important piece of equipment on the boat.
You don't have a lot of deck space on a 17' boat and you need to have a rod storage compartment down the one side that connects with the back deck. This gives you a place to lay rods as you fish. You also don't want the console to be flush to the side of the boat. A design with a small flat area between the console and the gunnel gives you an area to lay rods. Even 4" is useful.
Frank
FlipSide reply :
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/boa/4527378189.html
Found another one I might be interested in, Let me know what you guys think
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