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Who is the better fisherman? 2024


fishing user avatarMattlures reply : 

Who is better?

The guy who catches the most small bass or the guy that catches the most big bass.

Seriously I am curious what you guys think


fishing user avatarChris reply : 

In a tournament the one who wins. Just a general topic the one who catches the most fish or the most big fish consistently with no luck involved.


fishing user avatarMattlures reply : 

I dont necessarily mean in tournaments. I am just asking who the better angler is.


fishing user avatarChris reply : 

The guy that catches the most big bass.  


fishing user avatarCaptain Cali reply : 

The guy who catches the most big bass. Big bass are smarter and when they do bite they are harder to land.


fishing user avatarNew Bass Man reply : 

I'm not sure that question can be answered definitively.  It's like the less filling--taste great dilema.  I suppose it depends upon what you value more.  More fish or bigger fish.


fishing user avatarKU_Bassmaster. reply : 

This is kind of like that golf saying .... "Drive for show, putt for dough"

I personally think that a person that can go out and put fish in the boat regardless of the conditions day in and day out is pretty impressive.

Although I would rather have a couple big fish than a bunch of little ones in each outing recreationally speaking. Tournament wise I would rather have a five bass limit everytime.

Great question ............... Actually I don't know what I think ... ;D :-?


fishing user avatarLow_Budget_Hooker reply : 

This is a trick question but an easy one just the same.

The ones who is smiling the most.  


fishing user avatarCephkiller reply : 

I think one's success can only be defined by oneself in any endeavor.


fishing user avatarBass Hammer reply : 

LBH has it right.

However, I feel it's the bigger bass.

I think on a particular peice of structure the bigger more dominate bass will be on the best part of that structure.

So, if somebody I'm fishing with is consistantly catching bigger fish than me I feel he is reading the structure better than me.


fishing user avatarMatt Fly reply : 

This is some what of a trick Question.   Theres alot more to fishing than landing the fish.   We have all read enough to know chasing true trophy class bass can go days without catching one at times and some days the magic is in the air and numerous trophies are landed.    Being able to read the lake, make changes on the fly, sometimes under pressure to produce a bass consistently takes a skilled angler, just as handling and landing quality trophies.

The question is who is better, and I think the all around angler is the better.  Being capable of studying a lake and game planning a trophy day or tournament day, they both require different mind sets and approaches.    

Mr Murphy goes out on the week and lands one of his 12 lb bass.  Nice, what he has is another memory of a 12 lb bass and not his goal of another true monster bass for his four days of fishing.

TO (Tak) goes out for the week at the Classic and consistently finds fish, changing  baits each day to adjust to the weather and clouds, tweeking his patterns from finese plastics to crankbaits while the clock is ticking.  For four days straight he's having to make adjustments and put weight in his boat.  He won the Classic, does this make him better than Bill Murphy?

Would this settle who is better.  Tak weighed in 40 lbs in 4 days, Mr Murphy had 25 pounds on 4 days.    Different mind sets, different goals, but each had to display some knowledge and skill to accomplish eaches goals.

My vote goes to the guy who displayed the most skill to accomplish his goal!!!

A guy that goes to numerous lakes a year, not some guy whos camped out on the same 3-4 lakes all year.  

If Bill Murphy came to the James River for Four days, and Rick Clunn  was to compete against him on the same days, most weight wins as normal tournament rules apply.   Rick Clunn waxes him.  Reverse the roles and let Rick go the Cal.  Rick still has a chance to put more weight in the boat in 4 days as Bill Murphy.  

I'm gonna go with a tournament angler,  he hardly ever gets home field advantage, always fishing new waters, has to perform under various weather conditions, where the other doesn't have to leave his home on bad weather days.  One gets his own bed every night, one travel.  One sees his family on a normal basis, the other doesn't.      Which guy has to produce under pressure?  Which one doesn't.


fishing user avatarsodaksker reply : 
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This is kind of like that golf saying .... "Drive for show, putt for dough"

Now that is a whole nother thread for a different forum :o


fishing user avatarFlyRod reply : 
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Who is better?

The guy who catches the most small bass or the guy that catches the most big bass.

Seriously I am curious what you guys think

Me! 8-)


fishing user avatarVyron reply : 

Its not about size.

The best is the one who catches BASS when others catch NOTHING


fishing user avatarSiebert Outdoors reply : 

I agree with LBH.

But also I would rather be the guy that catches 30 fish that weighs 2-3 lbs instead of the guy that catches 4 fish that weigh 4 lbs.  Drastic numbers yeah but I think it shows my reasoning more.


fishing user avatarguest reply : 
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Who is better?

The guy who catches the most small bass or the guy that catches the most big bass.

Seriously I am curious what you guys think

It's a simple question and deserves a simple answer.   I will say the guy who catches the most big fish.

But now for my real answer.  

The better fisherman is the guy who consistanly achieves his goal.

There are days when I just want to get into fish.  I'm not looking for size, I'm looking for numbers.  If I catch a bunch then I was a good fisherman that day.

Then there  are other days when I want to catch bigger fish.  If I catch a few sizable fish then I was a good fisherman on that day.

Matt, this was a good post.  But you have to be careful about making us think too much  ;D ;D ;D


fishing user avataralhuff reply : 

As far as I'm concered its the person who is fishing and catching the fish he/she is fishing for.

If you are fishing for large bass and catch large bass then you are doing good, and if you are fishing just to catch bass and you catch bass, no matter the size, then you are doing good.

Just being outdoors fishing is great and catching fish is a bonus.

Alfred


fishing user avatarroadwarrior reply : 

I don't know about "better", but I know a little bit about fun. For me it's not about "fishing" it's about "catching". Yep, I like getting out and I'm on a first name basis with my friend The Bait Monkey, but beyond all that, what thrills me is fighting a HUGE fish. Some of the fish the pros are catching, especially the "keepers" at the Classic, don't do a thing for me. If I'm fishing artificials I try to use lures that scare those little fish away. I don't fish 5" Senkos anymore because I used to catch too many little fish.

I like drinking beer, jumping in the river in the summer when it's hot and listening to country music with my buds. Oh! I like catching 20 lb stripers and 5 lb smallmouth, too. But I don't care anything about small fish. I don't wear a watch when I fish and I eat lunch when I'm hungry. I never worry about making it back in for weigh-in and I can fish past dark, we don't clean fish either!

I'm not saying my friends and I are better fishermen. No, we aren't challenged much either. We fish baits that fish like to eat. We fish where big fish live and we usually catch about a hundred pounds of some kind of fish every day. Yep, that's apiece! I only fish for two kinds of fish: Big ole gooduns' and good ole biguns'.

So, I don't know whether the guy that consistantly catches "limit" on all kinds of different water is a better fisherman than the guy who successfully targets monster bass. I don't know if I could catch any fish on your water fishing the way you want me to, but if you fish my water the way I want you to, you're going to catch lot's of fish and some of them will be HUGE!


fishing user avatarLightninrod reply : 

Never fished a tourny and though I still enjoy a dink on the end of the line vs. no Bass, there is no doubt in my mind that catching big(hopefully a double-digit soon) Bass far surpasses any number of small Bass for me.

Dan


fishing user avatar.ghoti. reply : 

The best fisherman today is the guy out on the water fishing, not sitting around here, like I am, fooling around on the net.


fishing user avatarRoLo reply : 
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Who is the better fisherman?

That is definitely a moot question.

I'd say that the Stringer Weight is probably the most telling gage,

because it incorporates both Quantity and Quality.


fishing user avatarGobbleDog reply : 

Big weight is always more impressive than catching a bunch of dinks.

2 months ago, I was in a club tourney on Lake Harris and weighed in 16 lbs. (took 2nd place). When people at my work asked how I did in the tourney and I tell them that I weighed in 16 lbs, they all think I must have been out there catching bass left and right.

But in actuallity, during the entire eight hour tourney I only caught 2 bass and my fishing partner only caught 3 bass. They all happened to be monsters, but the fishing was actually pretty slow.


fishing user avatarMatt Fly reply : 

The best fishermen is the versitile fishermen.   He can read new waters and make it produce.     Most trophy fishermen are territorial, fish the same region, same waters their wholelife.   I call that homefield advantage, prove that same skill in 10 states instead of 1.    Big fish are nice and welcome here anytime.  But exclusively fishing for them full time doesn't not constitute who the best bass fishermen is.  just one phase of fishing.

Why do you think Tournaments started?  To prove who the best fishermen are.   Choose your weapon and fish.   How many tournaments are won with 2 fish weighing in at 20lbs.   How many days would a swim bait chunker make the cut on tour?  I don't see too many big bass experts making a living on tour.   How many trophy hunters qualified for the Classic last year, the year before that, and ........  We already have a system in place to decide this question, its called tournaments.  

The answer was Rick Clunn, the 4 time Classic winner and I don't classify him as a trophy hunter, but he does display the same mental attitude required to persue them.


fishing user avatar5bass reply : 

I will say tournament angler.You have a limited amount of time to bring back a limit of bass and catching that limit,at times,is alot harder than it sounds.That is why you see most limits weigh under 20 pounds.(unless the tournament is in Fla or Cali)

The non-tournament angler can fish where he wants(small ponds,private lakes),when he wants(before daylight,after dark) and what he wants(live bait in alot of cases).The tournament angler is definitely challenged more to catch fish.


fishing user avatarCujo reply : 

Big Bass!


fishing user avatarChris reply : 

Who is better?

The guy who catches the most small bass or the guy that catches the most big bass.

Seriously I am curious what you guys think

This is whacked the more I read this. You got guys that camp out on the same areas on the same lakes with the hope that they nail the same bass they caught the year before. Some guys that catch "the most trophy bass" have been catching the same group of fish time after time year after year. One day or two weeks in the year they catch them at the right time and everything works. If I go fishing tournament on water I have never seen before against guys who have fished it for 20+ years and still locate a limit and a kicker and win am I less of a fishermen that has the time to fish just for trophy fish? I would say the guy who can go from state to state and lake to lake and duplicate his "trophy ways" has a leg up on the guy who fishes the same group of fish he found on a hump out in 50 ft of water.


fishing user avatarMattlures reply : 

Yes it was a trick question. The reason I asked is because the greatest angler debate was all about Tournament fisherman. Tounament guys are very versitile and all around great anglers but........... they still are only masters at catching small fish. Any of you and I could catch fish like Clunn and Rowland and any other pro. Sure we cant do it as consistantly as they can. I know I am not even close to being as good as them. But I am not impressed with a 20lb bag. I have done it many times and I am sure you guys have too. They just do it better and under pressure. But How many of you have caught a 50lb bag or several bass over 18lbs. Probably none of you or myself or any of the big name tournig pros. My point is How come none of the trophy hunters were represented in the contest. Mike Long, The late Bill Murphey, Bob Crupie are at least as good as Clun or any other pro and In my opinion.  Mike Long is FAR superior to any touring pro yet wasnt even considered for the Greatest angler. I dont have current stats but he has caught about 40 bass over 15lbs. And about 15 over 17lbs. He has hundreds over 10lbs and ownes most of the lake records down in San Diego. He is clearly the best of the best of the trophy hunters. Now just so you all know he also dominates the tournaments down here. He often fishes solo and wins team T's.

It doesnt seem right that he would would not be the winner let alone not even be in the contest.

What do you guys think?


fishing user avatarpreach4bass reply : 
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The best fisherman today is the guy out on the water fishing, not sitting around here, like I am, fooling around on the net.

I agree with ghoti's logic 100%.  I went fishing today and caught a couple of small keepers.  That makes me the greatest fisherman today!  Sorry to toot my own horn ;D


fishing user avatarroadwarrior reply : 

Well Mattlures, you may not lose the argument, but you won't win if you're talking about the "show".

Little bitty fish caught over some artificially designated time period, usually in the worst part of the day for average bankbeaters...The Classic, fish you and I wouldn't even tell anybody we caught... Going nuts over a 12 pound bag, NO! somebody went 14.7! KVD catches his all time PB, second on the tour, all time...Well, way above average, but 11-3...Come on...

Unfortunately I still shovel coal all week. When it's MY TIME, I don't need the Thrill of Victory and The Agony of Defeat...All I want to do is catch BIG fish. Your guys don't count anyhow, all they catch are GIANT BASS, they spend all their time REALLY fishing for the next World Record...How boring.


fishing user avatarcajun1977. reply : 

if you catch an equal number of fish   big and small youd have to be a fool  to say it was better to catch the little ones      but if your asking would i rather  catch   5    2 pound fish or 1  10 pound fish   im still gonna go big  


fishing user avatarLow_Budget_Hooker reply : 

Matt-What do I think?  

I think I wanna be like mike :)


fishing user avatardink reply : 

Amen Ghoti!  Actually the best is the grizzly bear....he fishes for survival.


fishing user avatarRattlinrogue reply : 

Big bass!


fishing user avatarRattletrap reply : 

The one who gets a consistent 5 fish limit. Now if you are comparing 5 fish limits. The bigger fish, 5 fish limit wins that one.


fishing user avatar5bass reply : 

I've thought about it some more and I'll say tournament angler no doubt......isnt that why they have tournaments in the first place?To find out who the best fisherman is! ;D


fishing user avatarroadwarrior reply : 

No.

It's just to find out who can catch five little bass in a short period of time. It excites the average fisherman to think they can catch little bitty bass in shallow water on BPS lures. Anybody can do it when they are just "out fishing". Those that don't fish tournaments think, "Well, I can do that." NOT!

Fishing for little bank runneres and getting lucky with a monster 3 lb bass is about all it takes to win. Sometimes it's four 12 oz bass and a 2 lber. WOW!

Sorry guys, it's a whole different mind set.


fishing user avatar5bass reply : 
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No.

It's just find out who can catch five little bass in a short period of time. It excites the average fisherman to think they can catch little bitty bass in shallow water on BPS lures. Anybody can do it when they are just "out fishing". Those that don't fish tournaments think, "Well, I can do that." NOT!

Fishing for little bank runneres and getting lucky with a monster 3 lb bass is about all it takes to win. Sometimes it's four 12 oz bass and a 2 lber. WOW!

Sorry guys, it's a whole different mind set.

I KNEW you'd be the first one to chime in about my last post!

Look at it this way RW,when someone is fishing a tournament and that tournament can be won with 4 dinks and a 3 pounder,(as you say),why would you even want to fish deeper water or catch bigger bass?Those 5 dinks that win the tournament arent really big enough to break my line or make a run into deep brush.......the little fish just come flyin' into the boat with no real threat of breaking off.Catching big bass in deep water during a tournament is really a waste of time.It takes the bait longer to reach the fish,you have to spend lots of time finding "the spot" and when/if you hook one,there's no guarantee that you will get it into the boat.I'd rather catch the high percentage dink,just like Shaq would rather dunk a basketball than shoot a 15 ft jumper.

As you can tell,I'm just messin' with you...... ;)


fishing user avatarroadwarrior reply : 

Yeah, I know.

I lived in Denver for 17 years and was a season ticket holder for the Nuggets for 5. We drafted Motumbo, the least talented player ever to play in the NBA, but he was BIG. Like a giant redwood tree in the middle of the court. The guy averaged less than 50% on dunk shots! 10% from the field and 20% from the free throw line. When we traded the slug to Atlanta he made the All Star squad, go figure.

So, B.A.S.S. fishing and tournaments in general are the same story: Mostly show and a tiny bit of go. Heck, if all fisherman fished like I do, BPS and Cabelas would still be selling lures in the back of a hardware store.


fishing user avatar5bass reply : 
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Yeah, I know.

I lived in Denver for 17 years and was a season ticket holder for the Nuggets for 5.

OUCH! That had to hurt!I bet you wish you had that money back.

Bottom line....whether its big or small,a bass is a bass!


fishing user avatarguest reply : 

To answer Mattlures second question about why the world record hunters weren't included in the best angler debate.  Well It's simple.  ESPN BASS is all about tournament pros.  They are the ones who sell fishing tackle.  Some guy spending 12 hours a day fishing the same huge lure to catch one fish is not what put the billions in the coffers of the tackle companies.  Ray Scott and his crazy idea did that.  

Hey RW, did you take your redneck pill for this thread?   ;) ;D


fishing user avatarroadwarrior reply : 

Thank you avid...I'm done...


fishing user avatarRattletrap reply : 

My fishing partner and I caught 10 fish at 60lbs once. We were culling out 4 pounders.  5 to 9 pounders.That was a Sluggo day. When they first came out. What an awesome day that I will never forget. We never repeated that again. We released them all to fight another day.  :)


fishing user avatarCaptain Cali reply : 
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To answer Mattlures second question about why the world record hunters weren't included in the best angler debate.  Well It's simple.  ESPN BASS is all about tournament pros.  They are the ones who sell fishing tackle.  Some guy spending 12 hours a day fishing the same huge lure to catch one fish is not what put the billions in the coffers of the tackle companies.  Ray Scott and his crazy idea did that.  

Hey RW, did you take your redneck pill for this thread?   ;) ;D

While you are correct...I started bass fishing in June of 2005 because I read about Bod Crupi not because I read about KVD. I might be the exception to the rule but BIG bass excite me while little bass are fun to catch but not very exciting.


fishing user avatarDDbasser reply : 

In my mind, ::) the best fisherman would be the guy that can go out and catch bass regardless of size, whether it's 85 degree's and sunny or 32 degree's and snowing.

The guy that can catch bass shallow and deep with a variety of lures and techniques, day in and day out!  


fishing user avatarearthworm77 reply : 

DD, I think your is the best response, It is based on consistency, something I always preach. I have more respect for the guys who go out there everyday and do it with consistency. Winning a tournament means nothing, especially if you are not a high dollar pro. Anyone can win on accident. Do it regularly like KVD or catch the biggest fish all the time like Long, Crupi, Arujo, Siemantel or become a legend based on what you accomplished during your life Mann, Rolaand Martin, Brewer, Westmorland. That is worthy of kudos.

And guys, don't look at this as a tournament angler vs. recreational angler. Only the top Pro's are tournament anglers, you guys who do it on weekends are still just weekend warriors like the rest of us. Having the title of tournament competitor doesn't mean you are more skilled or less skilled for that matter. It only means you compete. Nothing more.


fishing user avatarrocknfish9001 reply : 

I cant answer your question really, but when i am fishing with anyone, I always catch a couple less fish, but mine are usually bigger. Once i was out with my dad, who caught 1 keeper about 14", and 4 littler guys, while i caught only 3, but each was about 2-3 lbs. and from 16-17"


fishing user avatarRattletrap reply : 

ME.  ;)


fishing user avatar5bass reply : 
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Winning a tournament means nothing, especially if you are not a high dollar pro. Anyone can win on accident.

Winning a tournament means nothing huh?To me it means that there were X amount of people who gathered to see who was the best on a particular day and threw down money to find out.

I'd say most guys that win a tournament whether it be a local 20 boat tournament or the Bassmasters Classic,the winner has done their fair share of homework to take the first place check.

Winning a tournament is a confidence builder and also a small step towards a bigger goal,not to mention,it looks good on a resume' when the wins pile up and you go searching for sponsors to promote yourself to them to help them sell products.....if anybody on this board could understand that premise,I figured you'd be the one.I'm surprised to hear you of all people say that winning a tournament means nothing.Come on,EW.....


fishing user avatarGobbleDog reply : 
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And guys, don't look at this as a tournament angler vs. recreational angler. Only the top Pro's are tournament anglers, you guys who do it on weekends are still just weekend warriors like the rest of us. Having the title of tournament competitor doesn't mean you are more skilled or less skilled for that matter. It only means you compete. Nothing more.

I'm in a local 20 boat club. I agree that it's still just weekend warrior type fishing. What I mostly get out of it is being forced to fish lakes that I would normally never go to and learning to fish different types of cover. It has certainly improved my skills.

The best thing about fishing tournaments is if you catch a 3 lber while recreational fishing, you'll say... "eh nice fish". But if you catch that 3 lber during a tournament (even a small one) and you're thinking HELL YES!!! It makes everything more exciting. Even the barely legal fish.


fishing user avatarMatt Fly reply : 

The only ones that seem to care that the big trophy hunting guys got left out are the ones trying to sell swimbait.   Just my opinion.    Why did the fishermen across the US not vote for a trophy hunter?

How do you compare ones skill against another guy?   A tournament!!!!

How many swimbait chunkers could win or make the cut throwing a 9 inch swim bait, any swimbait.

Byron set a western record for large stringer throwing swimbaits,   one time!!!!

How much money has he won, how many cuts, classics,  

If these guys are that good, let them compare skills to the other anglers and lets find out who's the greatest angler.    OOOOPS, already did that, Rick Clunn won that debate.    

Catching big bass is only one facet of fishing.    Did any of these guys go catch big bass consistantly in other geographical regions?  East Coast,  Central USA.

If you want to prove yourself, go test your self, without the home field advantage.   By the way, there is no pressure when you didn't pay 3 Grand to enter that tournament, fish against the Elite Field, travel 1600 miles to fish, and had a co-boater also.

Does the greatest angler have to be a tournament fishermen?  If not, how would you decide who was the best with out some sort of tests.


fishing user avatarMattlures reply : 

M FLY what are you talking about? Who said anything about selling swimbaits? Who said anything about swimbaits at all? It is my opinion that guys Like Mike Long and Crupie and Bill Siementel are better than any tournament guys. Why? because of what they caught not because of who they beat.  I dont beleive all trophy hunters are better than all touny guys. Actualy I think the oposite. But the best of the best trophy hunters are better than everybody else. Like I said before Mike long also fishes Tournament and dominates them. Not little club Tournies either. He some times fishes by himself or with his 9 year old son and wins team tourny's out here. I guess its just diferent out here. The big bass specialist get more respect and clout than the tourny guys do.

And the real reason non of the trophy hunters werent in the greatest angler contest hgad nothing to do with their skill. It was put on by BASS, a tournament oginazation. so obviously they went with Tourny guys.  

How many bass fisherman in the history of bass fishing have caught 50 bass over 15lbs on artificals?

Hoy many guys have one a tournmant? How many of those guys that have one tournaments have ever caught 1 bass over 15lbs? not many.  You can interpret this how ever you want . I am in no way saying that tournament guys arent great bass fisherman. actualy I think the pros are better than everybody else on the plannit except for maybe 2 or 3 big bass guys.


fishing user avatarCaptain Cali reply : 

::) I was under the impression that in tournaments the guy who catches the most big bass usually wins. Am I wrong? I realize a limit is very important but lets just say both anglers have limits. Obviously the guy with the bigger fish wins. Or am I missing something?  :-?

And who ever said trophy hunters can't or don't catch little bass?


fishing user avatarMattlures reply : 

Roger. Tourny fishing is a numbers game you have to play the percentages.

To win a tournament you need 5 fish. Usualy 5 small bass will win. You realy dont have enough time to target big bass in a T. Most guys will get 5 and then look for a kicker. If you spent all day hunting big bass you would loose most T's There are alway exceptions but this is the norm. BTW There are a lot of Tournament being won out here on big baits. The two worlds are merging.  Yes Trophy hunters do catch "small" fish but thier small fish would make  great tournament fish.

Tournament pros are the best in the world at catching small bass. trophy hunters are the best in the world at catching big bass. The money, sponsers and the spotlites are on the Tournaments. Only a few of the big bass guys get a lot of attention. That doesnt make them any less skilled.

Last year we had a big show out here in Ca. called the Bassathon. There were many big name  speakers. Aaron martins and  G Swindel did seminars and drew a big crowd but When Mike Long did his seminar evry body in the building went to hear what he had to say even the venders.


fishing user avatarGlenn reply : 

Who is the better fisherman?  My father.  He introduced me to sport, showed the patience to teach me, and made me realize what's really important in life.  We've had some terrific memories over the decades.

Tournaments are fun, no doubt.  But when you look at the big picture, they're merely a weekend blip with strangers during a lifetime of memories with your family.


fishing user avatarRandall reply : 
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Who is better?

The guy who catches the most small bass or the guy that catches the most big bass.

Seriously I am curious what you guys think

It is neither. Its the guy who can do both as well as catch the ones in between.


fishing user avatarRoLo reply : 
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How many bass fisherman in the history of bass fishing have caught 50 bass over 15lbs on artificals?

Well, there are a couple of holes in that question:

1. Tournament pros don't target 15-lb bass, because that would be a waste of valuable time.

2. Most tournaments are not held in California where Bob Crupi and 15-lbers are found.

3. Fishing with jumbo live crayfish is not legal on the tourney trail.

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It is my opinion that guys Like Mike Long and Crupie and Bill Siementel are better than any tournament guys.

As much as I love catching giants of the species, I can't agree with that statement.

Fishing for trophies is certainly more difficult in the sense that larger fish are scarcer

than smaller fish (= boring). But when we compare the skillset involved, I really can't see

where fishing for record-class bass is any harder than fishing for average size bass,

it's just "different". Watching a minnow tow a float around the lotus pads is not any harder

than finesse fishing with soft plastics for average-size bass.

There are days when the most learned angler would be happy with one runt.

There are just as many days when we watch some novice angler flop a belly-sagging lunker

onto the deck. Like it not, there's a lot of luck involved in the "weight" of the bass

we catch. If there wasn't, we'd all be catching bass that wieghed 3 pounds plus.

I don't believe the better angler can be decided by the single "heaviest" fish, nor by the

"number" of fish alone. In my opinion it should be the combination of BOTH

(quantity & quality). That is to say, keep a running total of the weight of every

'legal' bass successfully boated. It's immaterial what bass are kept or released,

all that matters is the running total of every "legal" bass that is boated

(no limits, no culling). The hotshot who thinks he's good for at least on beer-barrel bass,

will have his chance, but if he doesn't get lucky, then he'll have to win the hard way.

I forget his name, but the angler who holds the record for "lowest winning stringer weight"

was recently dubbed a "dubious honor". To my mind that's the highest honor

and one that separates the men from the boys.

Anyway, if there's a fairer way than total weight, I would like to hear about it.


fishing user avatar5bass reply : 

I dont doubt the fact that the California big bass boys are skilled bass anglers,but bring them to the East Coast and see how many tournament titles they take back with them.Chances are they would be scraping together a decent limit like everybody else.I highly doubt they would be bringing 8+ pounders to the scales with any consistency,if at all.

Maybe there should be a California Tournament Trail where you have a 2 fish limit and no fish under 25 inches can be brought in and no live bait allowed.That way every competitor is forced to fish for the big one from start to finish and a true BIG BASS champ could be crowned.  


fishing user avatarMattlures reply : 

5bass that would be cool. I agree that if the best trophy hunters out here went to the east the wouldnt be dominating the tournaments but give them enough time and I believe they would break a lot of lake records. They used to have the world record bass club. they would pay out $25,000 to who ever caught the biggest bass in the world for each year. Long won it 3 of the 5 years and had it continued would have won it another 3 times.

Rolo. Crupie and Murphy used live bait Mike Long and Bill Semental use artificials. Mike mostly uses swimbaits but not always. last year he caught a 15 of a senko and a 17 off a jig. So far his biggest fish in 2006 is a 16.5lber he caught a couple weeks ago.

The guy is just a freak.

Tournament fishing and Trophy hunting are just so diferent. Its like fishing for two diferent species. Very few guys have been succesful at combining the two. I beilieve the biggest diference is the time limit.


fishing user avatarBass Hammer reply : 

Reading this thread I'm thinking about the bassmaster university I just attended.

Gary Klein spent the first hour talking about how Bill Semental and himself have been spending lots of time fishing together.

Klein said "I won't say he's tutoring me but, he is showing me a whole new way to make decisions.

He talked how influential Bill has been yet he never said that he was teaching him to catch big bass.

He said he was teaching him how to be more efficient and catch more bass.


fishing user avatarBassChaser57 reply : 

I think it is the guy that can go to new water, figure it out and put pounds in the boat. It has been said that 10% of the anglers catch 90% of the bass. I just want to be in the 10%.


fishing user avatarthegreatestfisher reply : 

it doesnt matter where we go i will out fish anyone

no i am just kidding i just fish for fun but when i get hot i could hang with the best of them

watch out KVD i am coming for you


fishing user avatarguest reply : 

this is a great thread.  I think that the level of dedication and knowledge is similar for both the trophy angler and the tournament pro.  Each needs a knowledge of bass behavior and a degree a mental toughness that most people do not possess.  That is what makes them similar.  The goal is what makes them different.  One group wants the biggest bass in the lake.  The other wants whatever it takes to win on that day.  

As far as a tournament being able to be won by "luck" yes this is true.  Look at the list of classic winners.  There are a couple of guys who never won another major tournament.  but let's not forget that the biggest bass ever caught was gotten buy a guy fishing for dinner.  Luck plays a part in everything.


fishing user avatarranger50 reply : 

I'm gonna go with vyron's chick.  That's a big fish!




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