"Talent is overrated" - Geoff Colvin 10,000 hours practice 2024

SammyLee reply :

Not too long ago I read a book by Geoff Colvin entitled "Talent is Overrated". Basically, he maintains that talent is one of the least attributes to expertise and that "deliberate practice" X 10,000 hours makes the difference.

He studied many top of their field experts, Bill Gates for one, and observed that each one of them had at least 10,000 hours of practice before they became "Super Experts". Bill had more than that as a programmer before Microsoft was ever a company.

I suspect this is true for us as fisherman. Geoff also observed that to become "really, really good" but not a truly superb expert, required around 5,000 hours.

How many of us (and or the pros) have the requisite 10k hours? Or the 5K? I started seriously bass fishing this spring. I go every chance I get which I estimate is about 18 to 22 hours per week. Multiply that by the twenty weeks and I've got about 400 hours of deliberate practice leaving me 4,600 hours or 4 and a half years short of becoming "Really, really good." Nine years at 20 hours per week to become "Excellent, superb expert".

I know that deliberate practice works. I have learned to fish plastic worms to the point that it is now my "go to" bait. Two months ago, swim baits, two months before that, drop shot, two months before that, bobbers and live minnows.

Raul reply :

20 years experience doesn 't equal 1 year experience multiplied by 20.

So practicing by practicing alone without the learning experience is not going to do you much good if you practice for one hour or 20,000 hours.

Catt reply :

There 250-300 anglers entered in almost every tournament I fish, out of that number there is a percentage that is always at the bottom and there is a percentage that is always at the top. Both groups have real close to the same amount of time on the water but yet a vast discrepancy, could talent have some thing to do with it?

Some of us are born with itsome of us never ever, ever get it

Bassn Blvd reply :

I disagree that talent is overrated. But yes, I have reached and surpassed the 10k hour mark.

Little Luey reply :

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. I go every chance I get which I estimate is about 18 to 22 hours per week. .

18 to 22 hrs a week, that is basically a part time job. I have not read that book but I believe the 5,000 hrs of practice you still talk about is a lot of time. consider 40hrs a week times 52 weeks for 3 years is 6240hrs, so somewhere around 2.5 years. I would have to dedicate 40hrs for about that time to become according to the book proficient at something, most jobs give you 3 months provisionary period in most positions, if you don't show promise or talent you may be unemployed.

You may have a person gifted with natural skills on something and the learning curve may be smaller on any field, including fishing. There are a number of other factors that influence how fast you learn to do something, including but not limited to good trainers or training program.

Take me for instance, I don't have anyone to go fishing with who can teach me, I cannot afford to hire a guide and there are no bass university programs near me, so I pretty much have to find what works on my own, I read, but that will only take me so far. It may take me longer to learn and be good at it. Right now I only fish maybe 4 hrs every two or 3 weeks.

WRB reply :

Natural talented person that practices becomes the best.

Without inherited skills, no amount of practice will get you to the top.

WRB

SammyLee reply :

Raul posts "20 years experience doesn 't equal 1 year experience multiplied by 20.

So practicing by practicing alone without the learning experience is not going to do you much good if you practice for one hour or 20,000 hours."

Yeah, you're right. My old boss back in WPB used ask me that when we hired someone. "Does he have 10 years experience or one year, ten times?"

That was a big part of "deliberate" practice. So far, mine is deliberate because I read most everything here, read other publications, fish occasioonally with a "semi-pro" coworker and put all of it to the test on the water, every chance I get. I was up at 0500 Sunday to fish three hours before church, came home took a nap and went back out. I caught 8 LMB, four over two pounds, all on plastic worms. It's study, think, try, think, try, study some more.

At some point I'll run out of worthy books and I'll be fishing at the same level as some of my fishing friends. Then it'll be more like graduate school. You do the work to learn more than a teacher teaching. I also suspect that the body of knowledge contained here will be forever updated.

I still need more study and time on some of the basics but I've been catching LMB when others are getting skunked, so whatever it is, I must have it. At least a little bit, lately.

Funny, I used to be happy with any fish. Now it's LMB only that matter to me. If I was back in WPB, I know I'd be saltwater fishing too but here in West Tennessee, LMB all the way. Trout? Looks like a bass that hatched this spring. OH WOW! That rainbow is going to be over 7 ounces! Get the camera! But hey, each to their own.

cabullwinkle reply :

Bass fishing is such a "reading" game that I really think practice here is how you get good. You need to be taught how and what matters in reading your environment. Therefore, talent in bass fishing is really in my opinion a mute point. Get that line wet!

bilgerat reply :

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There 250-300 anglers entered in almost every tournament I fish, out of that number there is a percentage that is always at the bottom and there is a percentage that is always at the top. Both groups have real close to the same amount of time on the water but yet a vast discrepancy, could talent have some thing to do with it?
Some of us are born with itsome of us never ever, ever get it

Right on. I believe there is an "it" factor that defies any logic as it applies to this subject. You can't pin it down, but it's there.

For example, everyone looks at Tiger Woods and his training regimen. I'm sure that it's a major part of his success, but then again a lot of pro golfers have a similar program. What puts him ahead ?

Substitute Kevin Van Dam for Tiger and it's the same thing. Lot's of guys put in as much time on the water yet they can't touch him. Why ?

If you could figure it out, you'd rule the world my friend...

tnhiker44 reply :

Interesting topic. I think we all have a finite amount of talent 'in' us, regardless of the subject. It takes practice to reach the plateau of your talent... but without an above average amount of talent you will never be above average. I realized this after years of chasing a white ball around a golf course. I floated for years around a 15 handicap and decided to dedicate myself to the game. I practiced four or five times a week and probably played 25 rounds a month during this time. I got my handicap down to 10.1... that is 0.2 stokes a round to become a single digit handicapper, which was my first plateau goal. I worked and worked and then worked some more and my next handicap was 11.3. It dawned on me right then that I was never going to be a scratch golfer... and that my talent level was somewhere around +10 strokes a round (give or take one or two).

I think this applies to everything we do. There is only a finite amount of 'good' in you. Kevin Van Dam may be the best out there right now, but you can rest assured that somewhere out there there is more talent waiting to be practiced into discovery. By numbers alone the funny thing is that the most potentially talented person in fishing, golf, football, ect., probably never even participated in that activity. That is why I totally disagree with Mr. Colvin. Talent is everything... we can all practice... we all cannot be at the top of our activity.

Fishing Rhino reply :

I don't think talent is overrated.

We all have our limits to our abilities. It's called talent.

Fishing is different from golf, or tennis, etc.

Book learning can take you a long way in fishing. You can learn where fish are likely to be in different seasons, weather conditions, etc.

You can learn about structure and cover from books, and avoid a lot of trial and error.

But when it comes to putting a lure in that one tiny spot from thirty or fifty feet away, some just plain have better hand eye coordination to do it.

Feel is another. Dick Stuart, the baseball player of yore was known as stonefingers because his fielding was atrocious. Yet he played in the majors for years.

The computers between our ears have various capacities for processing information. "Intuition" is nothing more that the result of the subconscious processing of information that has been fed into our brain.

Some folks are good at math and sciences while others are good a liberal arts. Same with fishing. Some have brains tuned into fishing to a high degree, others not so high.

If talent was overrated, there would be a lot more Tiger Woods and Michael Jordans out there.

They are both cut out for their games, physically and mentally.

SammyLee reply :

tnhiker44 writes "I think this applies to everything we do. There is only a finite amount of 'good' in you. Kevin Van Dam may be the best out there right now, but you can rest assured that somewhere out there there is more talent waiting to be practiced into discovery. By numbers alone the funny thing is that the most potentially talented person in fishing, golf, football, ect., probably never even participated in that activity. That is why I totally disagree with Mr. Colvin. Talent is everything... we can all practice... we all cannot be at the top of our activity."

Ok but let's consider how much of what we do is mental vs. physical. Tiger is a strong, healthy young man. Much of what he does (and golf in general) is physical. Let's forget about the stress of pro fishing schedules and multiple days, etc. and reduce it down to a 4 hour fishing trip. Does a young, strong healthy man have much of an advantage over an older, weaker, less healthy man in catching bass. I don't really think so.

Part of what Mr. Colvin talks about that I did not bring to the discussion is "average intelligence and ability". A person who has severe physical and mental disabilities is not going to be a Tiger or KVD regardless of 10K hours practice. Nor a Bill Gates.

My point is that if I (or you) put in the 5K hours of deliberate practice we will become "Master" bass catchers. Our skill would be in the upper 2% of all bass fishermen.

Bassn Blv. has the 10K and I'll bet in the same lake he would out catch me by a large margin every day. I'm sure there are others as well. Even with just the 400 hours I can out catch most of my friends who just play at it.

Think about the way it feels when a bass just picked up a worm and you have 60 feet of mono out? Can you tell someone with any real degree of truth, what that feeling is and what to do about it? That is deliberate practice.

Not that I've got the bug or anything but my wife told me to stop looking down my nose at crack addicts. ;=)

WRB reply :

You can be the best at what you can do by practicing, on or off the water. You can never become more than your are capable of doing regardless how may yours you practice.

Micheal Jordan could never create Microsoft or Bill Gates could never be a NBA star, regardless how many hours they practiced. Both reached the top in their individual skill sets.

WRB

grimlin reply :

I'm gonna bet there's a few young junior anglers on here that can probably whip some of these old guys butt. They probably don't have half the time or years put into fishing either.

However i think "Talent" sticks out....Like Catt's saying

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"Some of us are born with itsome of us never ever, ever get it"

tnhiker44 reply :

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Ok but let's consider how much of what we do is mental vs. physical. Tiger is a strong, healthy young man. Much of what he does (and golf in general) is physical.

Although I understand where you are coming from, I think you underestimate the mental side of our activities. I am no expert or anything but I believe how we think and feel (emotions) play just as large part of our abilities as our physical capabilities. The phrase "mental toughness" comes to mind. So do the words 'drive', 'attitude' and 'spirit'. None of those words or phrases describe a physical attribute, but they are often used in describing the winner of some/any event.

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Does a young, strong healthy man have much of an advantage over an older, weaker, less healthy man in catching bass. I don't really think so.

Not so sure about this statement either. On today's high pressured waters and the resulting need for the 'run and gun' technique... my money is gonna be on the younger guy, given a similar amount of skill and talent. But there in lies the dilemma... how does a young healthy man acquire the same skill (and develop his talent) as an older, more experienced man???

Dan: reply :

I don't think people are born with "fishing talent." I think they are born or raised with skills and attributes that when combined with fishing experience help them to succeed. Some of these skills and attributes include organization, critical thinking, determination, a good memory, attention to details, patience, etc.

tnhiker44 reply :

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I don't think people are born with "fishing talent." I think they are born or raised with skills and attributes that when combined with fishing experience help them to succeed. Some of these skills and attributes include organization, critical thinking, determination, a good memory, attention to details, patience, etc.

Interesting. It seems to me that by using your theory that no one is born with talent. We are either born or raised with skills and attributes that help us achieve our potential.

But, by definition, talent is a "natural endowment or ability of a superior quality".

And the definition of skill is "a developed talent or ability".

Basically, if I understand those definitions correctly, one is a gift given at birth, the other is learned and/or developed.

Both of which are included in your theory. Interesting indeed.

WRB reply :

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I don't think people are born with "fishing talent." I think they are born or raised with skills and attributes that when combined with fishing experience help them to succeed. Some of these skills and attributes include organization, critical thinking, determination, a good memory, attention to details, patience, etc.

You make the argument that opportunity to early hands on training can make a big difference when practicing. Denny Brauer training his son Chad to become a top pro bass fishermen. Chad has all the skills mentioned.

The other side of the coin is Aaron Martens. Aaron is a natural fishermen. So good as a youngster that pro's wanted him as a partner in team tournaments. Aaron was too shy to fish with anyone except his mom, taught her how to bass fish and they became a top team. Who taught Aaron how to fish? the answer is he did, he was good the first time he picked up a rod and had few of skills mentioned.

WRB

Dan: reply :

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I don't think people are born with "fishing talent." I think they are born or raised with skills and attributes that when combined with fishing experience help them to succeed. Some of these skills and attributes include organization, critical thinking, determination, a good memory, attention to details, patience, etc.

You make the argument that opportunity to early hands on training can make a big difference when practicing. Denny Brauer training his son Chad to become a top pro bass fishermen. Chad has all the skills mentioned.

The other side of the coin is Aaron Martens. Aaron is a natural fishermen. So good as a youngster that pro's wanted him as a partner in team tournaments. Aaron was too shy to fish with anyone except his mom, taught her how to bass fish and they became a top team. Who taught Aaron how to fish? the answer is he did, he was good the first time he picked up a rod and had few of skills mentioned.

WRB

It is impossible that he was good when he "first picked up a rod," he must have struggled in at least his first few outings. He had the determination to stick with it and with experience and the critical thinking skills and attention to detail that allowed him to pick things up very quickly. I think the best fisherman are probably those that have immense experience and more importantly a good deal of said skills and abilities. Wouldn't you say it is possible that Aaron may have more developed skills and abilities that allowed him to be very successful with less time on the water than other fishermen who lack those skills or abilities? I think he probably is a very smart person with plenty of the needed skills and abilities and as a result he quickly learned fish behavior and when to use certain techniques.

WRB reply :

Aaron, as a young boy, had autistic type behavior, stuttered speech, hyperactive, unorganized, extremely shy and color blind. Like Tiger Woods who could hit a golf ball at age 3, Aaron could cast and new where the fish should be, instinctively.

Aaron to his credit has overcome a lot of his handicaps, he still can look at water and know where bass should be and what to use. If you ask Aaron why he choose whatever lure, he tell you honestly he just knew.

WRB

senile1 reply :

Dan. stated:

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He had the determination to stick with it and with experience and the critical thinking skills and attention to detail that allowed him to pick things up very quickly.

I believe to be at the top of any game you have to have that intangible talent in addition to the practiced skills and experience. Someone can be a scientist or mathematician and have highly honed skills of critical thinking and attention to detail, yet he or she may not be able to catch a fish to save his/her life. You don't have to be a genius to be a great angler. You have to have the right type of criticial thinking to do so, whatever type that is. I would bet that IQ and fishing success do not necessarily correlate. I'm sure a certain level of intelligence is necessary for fishing success, but after that the intangible talent kicks in to differentiate the highly successful from the rest of the pack.

diver_sniper reply :

Just chiming in here.

I think that "naturally gifted talent" is sometimes mistaken for simply having started doing something at a young age. If you've ever researched anything about child development, you know that setting the ground work for success in a certain area of life is easier to do while a human is still rapidly developing than it is later on when they have reached maturity.

Yes, there certainly is such thing as natural gifts. Especially when talking about sports, where physical build becomes a major factor. The lanky skrawny kid (me ;D) is never going to be a star linebacker. Even if his tackling form and play recognition are flawless.

Genetics play a huge role in the things we do as well. And I'm not just talking about physical or other visibly obvious traits. Take a look at some of the families you know. I bet the ones with smart parents have smart kids. And I bet the family with the dad who was a trouble maker in school has a son who can't help but land his butt in the principals office a couple times a week. That's not by accident. The human genome is an overwhelmingly complex thing, and you'd be kidding yourself if you said that a persons starting point for intelligence and ability to preform certain tasks aren't tied into the genes they were dealt. Think of it this way, some hunting dogs are worth thousands of dollars because they come from a long line of strategically chosen ancestors. Ancestors that were good at what the breeder wanted them to be good at. On the other hand the family mutt, who comes from a bloodline of random backyard hook ups isn't worth thousands of dollars, because chances are it won't be hardwired to preform the same way as the first dog mentioned. We me be more advanced than dogs, but less than you might think.

So if you combine the three things I mentioned. Early exposure to an activity, the right physical build for that activity, and the genetic advantage allowing a person to preform that activity, you've probably got a winner. If you could chart out the past and current level of ability of a person with these things in his favor side by side with the level of ability of someone without these "gifts", I'm almost certain that the "lucky" one would show much faster increases, even if they got less time to practice.

Here's the thing though, by now, early exposure, physical build, and genetics are pretty much set in stone for most of us. So all we have left is practice. You wanna get better, don't you? Good, I thought so. So keep on fishin

Muddy reply :

Gee: I got my first rod, a package of refrigerated dough and I was in blue gill heaven.

Screw competitive fishing, never have been competitive and never will be

Fishing is my fun, relaxation and passion.

Who cares if the fella fishing with me puts more in numbers or weigh into the boat. Frequently I will put the person I am fishing with on good fish, to watch them have some fun.

it's fishing fellas, doesn't take much "talent " to go out and have fun.

Blue Streak reply :

Just one man's opinion. I read a book many, many years ago where the author claimed, and proved that the "experts" are wrong at least 80 per cent of the time. I think those guys are all congressmen now.

Catt reply :

Some of us are born with itsome of us never ever, ever get it

I teach many students how to identify and read structure and I promise you despite how many hours some will put in they will never ever get it. Many anglers never ever get a Texas Rig or Jig-N-Craw.

One can read all the Chilton Manuals they want and never fully grasp an understanding combustion engines and that person will never become a mechanicthey may become a parts changer!

Some of us are born with itsome of us never ever, ever get it

SammyLee reply :

Colvin also did a study of super star hockey players birthdays. 70 + percent were born in such a month that had them start school 4 to 9 months earlier than other students. Not a big deal at 20 but when you're 12 years old and teams are selected, it seems to be. You're older and bigger. Those selected and did well, were afforded coaching opportunities others did not have. By the time they were 20, they had been on superior teams for a decade. Sometimes it's not talent so much as random chance.

Be lucky. Be in the right place at the right time. Spend 10,000 hours doing what you seem to do well anyway and your chances of success approaches 100%.

I've been fishing since I was a toddler but never really hard core. Now that I have discovered bass, the 10k hours doesn't seem overwhelming. As soon as I got home, I changed clothes and hit the lake. I did not catch anything but learned just the same. (lessons on unsnagging a worm) And maybe were and when not to fish or when to move. Plus of course, a couple hundred casts. (gotta change the reel settings when changing lures!) Two hours of practice, not one minute repeated 120 times.

I was born with average intelligence and physical abilities. If my determination continues, I'll become a successful "expert" bass fisherman. No doubt in my mind.

Blue Streak reply :

Good luck with your approach. I am sure you will either become a real expert, or another of the many self proclaimed experts.

Mattlures reply :

I dont think there is such a thing as "talent" in bass fishing. Ok maybe a tiny bit but 99% is knowledge. This is not football where the biggest,fastest, strongest guys have a huge advantage. This is a sport that anybody who is phyiscaly able can become a pro. It is all about time on the water and how well you interpret what is going on around you. In many field the 10000 and 5000 hours are great examples. It also works in fishing, however the more intelegent an angler is the faster he learns. So maybe a guy with below average IQ might take 20000hrs to learn what a genious can learn in 2000hrs. it all depends on how fast you learn and how you "practice" I used to play pool at a high level. just hitting balls in and playing is a very bad way to practice. sure you will get better but at a very slow rate. Use the same amount of practice time and shoot drills and and work on your weaknesses in a cunstucted practice session and you impore 10x faster.

Dan: reply :

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I dont think there is such a thing as "talent" in bass fishing. Ok maybe a tiny bit but 99% is knowledge. This is not football where the biggest,fastest, strongest guys have a huge advantage. This is a sport that anybody who is phyiscaly able can become a pro. It is all about time on the water and how well you interpret what is going on around you. In many field the 10000 and 5000 hours are great examples. It also works in fishing, however the more intelegent an angler is the faster he learns. So maybe a guy with below average IQ might take 20000hrs to learn what a genious can learn in 2000hrs. it all depends on how fast you learn and how you "practice" I used to play pool at a high level. just hitting balls in and playing is a very bad way to practice. sure you will get better but at a very slow rate. Use the same amount of practice time and shoot drills and and work on your weaknesses in a cunstucted practice session and you impore 10x faster.

That's exactly what I was trying to say except I don't necessarily think it's necessarily a high "IQ" as much as other types of smarts...I hope that makes sense.

Dan: reply :

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Aaron, as a young boy, had autistic type behavior, stuttered speech, hyperactive, unorganized, extremely shy and color blind. Like Tiger Woods who could hit a golf ball at age 3, Aaron could cast and new where the fish should be, instinctively.
Aaron to his credit has overcome a lot of his handicaps, he still can look at water and know where bass should be and what to use. If you ask Aaron why he choose whatever lure, he tell you honestly he just knew.

WRB

And autistic children also have characteristics that make them better than "typical" children at some things. Autism often includes the ability to identify patterns, great memory, and the ability to think "outside the box." The way their brains work can give them characteristics that separate them from other people. Maybe he can't articulate why he chooses certain lures or spots, but that doesn't necessarily mean his brain hasn't processed the information in a certain way to give him those answers whether he is actually autistic or not.

kms399 reply :

I have around 23 years of fishing experience, but I have only 6 of solid, hard core, focused bass fishing experience. I am the best bass fisherman I know and that is the problem. in my very small group of friends (I am pretty antisocial) I am the only one who is constantly trying to improve my self. so I feel I have reached a plateau in my learning. I recently fished with a tournament guy I work with and I felt like an idiot. I caught 1 to his 4 and his were all bigger. I learned a ton from that 1 trip but there it stops again. so if you have people you can learn from it will take you less time to learn vs doing it all alone.

tnbassfisher reply :

I think the old saying "perfect practice, makes perfect", instead of "practice makes perfect."

Fishing Rhino reply :

"Talent" is more than an innate physical ability. It also includes mental attributes.

Don't know if they still have them in school, but back in the day, we took "aptitude tests", which guidance counsellors used to help us make career choices. It could be further education in college, vocational education, and what we were best suited to pursue. It could be engineering, teaching, nursing, etc, etc, etc.

It may be semantics, but I equate "aptitude" to talent, though aptitude is often equated with mental potential.

It has to do with our ability to assimilate, comprehend, and process data on a given topic.

Some kids assiduously apply themselves in school, yet struggle to get passing grades in some or all topics, while other breeze through.

Contrary to the noble concept, all men, and women, are not created equal.

cart7t reply :

You either have a knack for something or you don't.

Even among the "knackers" :-? there are those special few that operate on a higher plain than others without the extra effort that others would have to expend to reach that level. Those are the truely gifted, it's something you're born with and not something that can be learned.

Tiger Woods, Mario Andretti, KVD, Michael Jordan, Albert Pujols are just a few of those gifted. They are also an exception. Many are just below their abilities and can only reach that performance level through hard work.

Paul Roberts reply :

Sammy, my Brother-in-law recently told me about Colvin's books. Very interesting, and probably very much on the mark.

Not having read them yet I can't offer much the discussion here. Intelligence likely plays a role, but Colvin's point is that most of us are pretty close in that department. Drive plays a huge role, and accounts for the necessary hours. Would be interesting to actually tally up hours like you did.

shootermcbob reply :

To Quote Lance Armstrong as he was winning his 7 consecutive tour de france bike races....They ( mostly the French) want to know what I am "on". I'll tell you what I am on....I disagree is on my bike...working harder and longer than anyone else to be the best.

I think most anyone can do what they want, they lack the drive and in this sport, maybe the time and money. Commitment, dedication, desire are words thrown around easily because less than 1% of our society live by these words. Does anyone really think Tiger Woods was "born" to play golf? He has worked his *** off for many, many years to be the best. Let me tell you, he just missed the cut on the British Open and I can promise you he is out practicing, trying to get better as we speak. Practicing with a purpose, not just hitting golf balls. That is the difference. The drive to be the best...to do what needs to be done, not what you want to do.

Rhody reply :

funny that this is posted, me and my fishing buddy talk about this all the time. he feels strongly pro author point of view and i qm more of a naturally gifted and "god" given talent kind of person, makes for a good debate

Catt reply :

In Tiger Woods 13 year career he has 121 wins; As of July 12, 2009, Tiger Woods is the No. 1 ranked golfer, and has spent the most consecutive weeks (264) and most total weeks (556) in that position.

Y'all really believe you accomplish those stats by simply practicing? :

Busy reply :

I think this 10k hour mark is more correlative than causal.

Give me ten-thousand hours scuplting clay and I still won't be the best sculpter. I'm not an artist. Period.

Passion lays close to talent. You find something you are passionate about, you should find talent there within you. Unless you're passionate about a woman. Then you're screwed and no amount of practice can help you.

WRB reply :

If you have the desire to bass fish for thousands of hours, then you have the desire to learn how to bass fish and become a better fisherman. Like Little league or soccer, starting to fish as a youngster helps tremendously to develop skills. However if the child doesn't have good and to eye coordination and the determination to learn, he or she may never become a top player or fishermen because they become disinterested and stop fishing or playing.

KVD is a good example of early learning, desire to be a top fishermen and the physical and mental skills to make it happen. KVD falls into the more he practices the better he gets group. Aaron Martens started off at a much higher level of fishing talent then KVD and hasn't gained a lot of new fishing skills. Aaron has developed life skills and self confidence from thousands of hours of practice and interacting with others, where KVD was born with that talent.

Would 10,000 hours of fishing practice make everyone a good bass fisherman? NO! Some have it and some never will.

WRB

shootermcbob reply :

Not saying that it is practice alone. I believe most people have talent, much more than they realize. But , unfortunately for most of us, we just don't work hard enough to put the talent that we have to use. I think that Tiger Woods biggest advantage is not physical, it is mental. Where does that come from??? One could say it is a gift. One could also say it comes from thousands of hours of practicing correctly, practicing to improve weaknesses, practicing to the point where he has total confidence that he is going to nail the next shot because he has practiced it thousands of times.

Catt reply :

To the average Joe all you has to do is spend thousands of hours of practicing correctly, practicing to improve weaknesses, practicing to the point where he has total confidence that he is going to nail the next shot because he has practiced it thousands of times.

Do this and we (they) guarantee you will denominate like Tiger, Jordan, or KVD

The mental aspect is a big part of talent, so big it can carry some physical inadequacies; physical talent can not carry mental inadequacies.

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