Catching larger fish in a school of dinks . 2024
scaleface reply :
Here a situation I find myself in frequently . I find a large school of small bass on good structure .It could be a point , channel bend , hump... But in this instance lets say it is a long point . I usually just keep catching numbers and hope that eventually I hook a big one or two . How do you try to get a few bigger bites ?
Yeajray231 reply :
Just sore lip em all ?
Bass like to school with others of similar size.. not saying there won't be any variance. But I don't think you'll be finding your PB in a group of 2-3lbers
scaleface reply :
On 11/27/2016 at 11:30 PM, Yeajray231 said:Just sore lip em all ?
Bass like to school with others of similar size.. not saying there won't be any variance. But I don't think you'll be finding your PB in a group of 2-3lbers
But , what if you have caught really large fish on the same spot before ? Do you think the larger bass will abandon the prime spot because smaller fish have moved in ?
Bankbeater reply :
Bass move around. If you are catching little ones, I would fish another spot for a few hours and them come back. The bigger bass may have moved in by then.
soflabasser reply :
I have caught several quality sized bass in a school of small bass,so it's definitely possible,especially in a clear lake where you can sight fish for bass.
earthworm77 reply :
There are two things that might work.....
1- fish under the school if possible, often larger fish will be underneath waiting for things to float down to them during feeding.
2- look for some type of structure or cover close to, but not on top of where the school is, often larger fish will be only a slight distance away.
I'll elaborate a bit-
I find in my neck of the woods bass often school off of points and flats. If this is happening and I can't catch larger fish in the school, I'll back off of them and look for the first and closest piece of secondary structure.....usually it is a half casting distance or less away.
On 11/27/2016 at 11:34 PM, scaleface said:But , what if you have caught really large fish on the same spot before ? Do you think the larger bass will abandon the prime spot because smaller fish have moved in ?
I think they are creatures of habit and move around quite frequently.....maybe not necessarily because smaller fish have moved in...being territorial, if they move, it is for another reason.
Yeajray231 reply :
On 11/27/2016 at 11:34 PM, scaleface said:But , what if you have caught really large fish on the same spot before ? Do you think the larger bass will abandon the prime spot because smaller fish have moved in ?
I wouldn't forget that spot.. I'd say the smaller fish are there because the big ones are not. Not that the small ones pushed them out.
I don't know how big a "dink" is to you. To me it would be 1.5lbs and less. I'll take some 2-3lbers all day. Spinning rod , some lighter line. Yea buddy.
scaleface reply :
On 11/28/2016 at 12:00 AM, Yeajray231 said:
I don't know how big a "dink" is to you. To me it would be 1.5lbs and less. I'll take some 2-3lbers all day. Spinning rod , some lighter line. Yea buddy.
1 to 2 lb fish . My biggest bass this year was caught while in a school of these guys . Also had one hit like a sledge hammer and snap my line . It may have not been a bass .
A-Jay reply :
For me, Nothings set in stone on this one. However, I have come to believe a couple of concepts to often be the case.
1. The biggest bass command the best feeding spots and these are almost always just a little bit deeper. Especially in the clearer waters here.
2. It's about the bait. If the biggest bass are eating the same bait as the smaller fish, then there's at least a decent chance of getting one (or more). But if the bigger fish are keying in on 4-6 inch perch & not dragon fly nymphs - then I'm looking for the perch.
Edit : If the Bigger bass are actually EATING the smaller bass - that sort of changes things up a bit as well.
A-Jay
Scott F reply :
I haven't fished schooling largemouth too often, but when mixed sized smallmouth are hanging out together, the little fish are much more aggressive and will grab my bait before the bigger fish every time. When I have been on schools of largemouth they were nearly all the same sized fish.
CrustyMono reply :
One summer time, while fishing a gin clear lake in northern MA, i found a school of bass while swimming. I an home to grab a drop shot. Caught about 30 fish between *** pounds and then one 5 pounder, so in this case they were mixed together. You could try larger baits too.
WRB reply :
In the predator kingdom the biggest most aggressive eats when and where it chooses, the weaker smaller predators get the left overs. Big bass eat small bass, they rarely share the same locations at the same time.
Tom
Spankey reply :
If I thought or knew a few bigger fish were there and they were biting. Smaller fish were say taking crankbaits and spinner baits I'd fish through and around it dragging some soft plastics. Just hopeful mr. Fatty was laying on the bottom.
Your version of dinks and runts are bigger than mine.
Spankey reply :
Change of mind, Pig and jig.
Paul Roberts reply :
Lotsa possibilities I suppose. The big (mature) fish could be: rare (or even non-existent in some waters) or elsewhere (which would require more reconnaissance). The location change might not be all that far though if the habitat is there. It's very possible that the big fish are not associated so closely with the smaller fish. Smaller fish are more likely to be more widely distributed, as fewer locations might be able to grow large bass. In cold water periods you can expect fish to be more apt to be grouped up, and therefore more apt to be consolidated.
Then there's a bait change. Jigs (J-n-P), and larger baits in general, tend to produce bigger fish for me than many other baits. One summer I decided to catch some bigger bass, since I'm generally more a numbers guy. I upscaled everything to 13" worms, musky-sized cranks, and BIG spinnerbaits. I got some strange looks from other anglers. But, although I caught fewer bass, the average size went up, and I broke a few pond records that summer.
Some thoughts, from cyberspace.
scaleface reply :
When fishing prime real estate , I tend to stay in place and put a hammering on those small fish and take my chances that big fish are there or close by . Some days I catch a nice one some days not .
riverbasser reply :
I don't know how much I could add to what's been said or even if I should give advice to someone like you who has many more years on the water than me but the only thing that came to mind was that the bigger bass demand the best structure, and best location on that structure. So maybe there's something on that point you don't know about and this spot, within the spot is holding the big girl.
"hamma" reply :
Big fish rule, Period. If theres one around?, the smaller fish will move aside. This time of year when the water cools, you may find some schools of mixed sized bass together but its not a "normal" thing by any means. You may also find a bigger fish closeby, if the smaller fish are schooled up and jackin a bait ball, like,.. possibly the other side of the bait ball. or under them is where a bigger fish may be found. But typically the smaller fish will fear being eaten by the big bass, Cannibals! lol yes they will eat the smaller fish as long as they will fit in her gaping mouth, she will eat her own babies in a heartbeat.
Nearby? maybe, but not usual to find a big fish mixed in a school of smaller bass. Say your fishing scaleface's scenerio, and hooking 2 lbers, then you all of a sudden hook a pig? 10 to 1 says she came along to see what the commotion was, spooked of the smaller fish off, and your lure ended up in her face.
I saw on bill dance Friday morn, a 22 inch bass can eat a 14 inch bass, astonished was I? kinda, he also stated that most 22 inch bass are already 7+ pounds
Catt reply :
My turn!
First bass are predators!
The big ones eat the little ones so the idea the smaller bass can out compete the bigger for food is pure nonsense.
Bigger bass got big for a reason!
Bigger bass have to eat more or more often to sustain their body mass.
If large enough it is quite common to have a population of bass of various age groups on a single piece of structure.
Now on that single piece structure the larger bass will be located in the prime cover.
Next we need to consider not all bass will be feeding at the same time.
Paul Roberts reply :
On 11/28/2016 at 8:06 PM, Catt said:If large enough it is quite common to have a population of bass of various age groups on a single piece of structure.
Now on that single piece structure the larger bass will be located in the prime cover.
Interesting... I love the different perspectives we get here. In this case, Catt's giant Toledo Bend and my small waters -some as small as a couple of acres- have obvious differences. But they also share something: largemouth bass, making a living.
"A single piece of structure" on TB could be larger than one of my smaller ponds. However, the two {EDIT: -and everything in between"-} could be seen as the same thing -bass habitat. And, no, the bass, and their various age/size classes, are not equally distributed in either place.
For my UW video shooting I've chosen a handful of very small ponds to work in. Still, to get the action within the frame of an UW camera I have to know where the action is. In all my waters -regardless of size- there are certain locations that attract the mature bass. Although the exact layouts of each “hot-spot” vary, the reasons the bass are there are the same -the availability of security and food. Security is available in a number of places, but food is often much more concentrated. What's attracting the food? Same -security and food; It’s a food chain thing. One of my behavior videos is about this: Why hot-spots are hot-spots, what they look like underwater, and how the players operate and interact.
Potentially pertaining to this thread, each hot-spot has a variety of fish sizes -hence the food chain- but each one does not always, or ever, attract the biggest bass. But, some spots do. The best spots (in my ponds) hold all sizes, because it takes all sizes to create a food chain that is “going somewhere”. In one of my ponds, the 4 largest bass (18-19”ers) tend to be (although not always) found together. This is not just a social thing. Instead, those bass collect where the appropriately sized prey collects. This changes seasonally, and as food availability and vulnerability change, even in a small pond.
Believe it or not, “migrations” occur in the smallest of waters too. They just occur on the “movement” scale. Then there are “movements” -local scale adjustments to conditions and circumstances. Sound familiar? I would think that it would, wherever you fish.
Catt reply :
@Paul Roberts
Actually I wasn't even thinking Toledo Bend but a small bayou off of the Sabine river.
I was in the mouth of a cut leading into a shallow marsh. The bass were located there feeding due to an out going tide.
The smaller bass were located on the shallow marsh side while the larger bass were on the deeper bayou side.
Paul Roberts reply :
@Catt, I made a minor edit to my post.
gimruis reply :
Most game fish are not only very predacious but they are also cannibalistic. If you were a dink and a hog was around that could eat you, would you stick around?
WRB reply :
The prey preference is different with juevnile bass and adult bass. When LMB become adults thier mouth is fully developed and the bass has lived long enough to learn what prey types are worth the effort to hunt down and where to find prey. Juevnile bass are in the learning phase rarely hunt off shore and still experiment with catching prey.
There is a reason the population of adult size bass is smaller then juevnile bass, they survived to grow into adult bass. Most juveniles don't survive because they make life ending mistakes.
Tom
scaleface reply :
On 11/29/2016 at 10:24 AM, WRB said:. Juevnile bass are in the learning phase rarely hunt off shore
You aint fishing where I'm fishing .
WRB reply :
On 11/29/2016 at 10:41 AM, scaleface said:You aint fishing where I'm fishing .
You right I am not fishing where you fish. Juevnile bass are typically 6" to 10" inch bass, 12"-14" or 1 lb to 1 3/4 lb I consider young adults and they definately will chase Threafin Shad schools off shore, risky for the juveniles. Rarely see or catch any juveniles off shore where I fish.
Tom
Turkey sandwich reply :
There is some great info on here! A few points that I haven't noticed being discussed:
Seasonal patterns, comfort, and availability/ease of catching prey and basic water conditions are going to dictate behavior and location of fish. For example, pre-spawn through post spawn, you're very rarely going to find 8" bass grouped in with 12"-14" bass and similarly, you're not going to be finding larger 17"-22" bass hanging out with the smaller males except during the actual spawning, and it's extremely unlikely you're going to be finding 8" bass grouped in with those big females while the females are gorging themselves pre-spawn. Similarly, during periods of migration, it's typically larger fish leading the migration.
The rest of the year, bass simply want the most comfortable water that will provide them the most efficient access to food (lowest energy expenditure/calorie intake). The most dominant fish in that body of water will be found in the best places because they are the top of the food chain. Those areas that are the "best" will have the highest concentration of big fish, with smaller fish primarily settling in secondary areas, and so forth. This doesn't just apply for a single species. If a lake has a strong musky, pike, walleye, or largemouth population, those can all effect the best available feeding areas for smallmouth and thus where your smallmouth are going to be located, the frequency larger smallmouth will occur and how close they'll be grouped with smaller smallmouth/ compete with them for the same prey.
If I didn't just make it seem even more complicated, I hope this helps.
scaleface reply :
On 11/27/2016 at 11:51 PM, earthworm77 said:
I find in my neck of the woods bass often school off of points and flats. If this is happening and I can't catch larger fish in the school, I'll back off of them and look for the first and closest piece of secondary structure.....usually it is a half casting distance or less away.
I think they are creatures of habit and move around quite frequently.....maybe not necessarily because smaller fish have moved in...being territorial, if they move, it is for another reason.
Yep , this sounds like the best advice . I do this but need to concentrate more on it .
frogflogger reply :
big baits - in the general area look for some small spot - then throw a - big bait
greentrout reply :
You might be on a body of water that smaller bass are the norm. Keep count of the bass you catch and what on. Then look at your ratio of total bass caught to a big one of how you define it. Double digits? 2lbs., 3lbs. or 5lbs. and up ? From there hone your tactics to catch bigger fish. Only you can do that on your body of water.
Long ago I left behind the idea I had to catch big fish to enjoy my time out on the water. Good luck fishing & get a big one.
scaleface reply :
On 12/2/2016 at 11:47 AM, greentrout said:You might be on a body of water that smaller bass are the norm. Keep count of the bass you catch and what on. Then look at your ratio of total bass caught to a big one of how you define it. Double digits? 2lbs., 3lbs. or 5lbs. and up ? From there hone your tactics to catch bigger fish. Only you can do that on your body of water.
Long ago I left behind the idea I had to catch big fish to enjoy my time out on the water. Good luck fishing & get a big one.
No doubt. One lake in particular probably 90 percent of the bass I caught last year were between 12 and 15 inches . Then a decent population of big bass . Not many three lbers . Its a great numbers lake plus a good opportunity to catch a big fish or two .
Hasnt everybody ran into a lot of small bass on major structure ? Its pretty common for me .
Paul Roberts reply :
On 11/29/2016 at 10:24 AM, WRB said:... Juevnile bass are in the learning phase rarely hunt off shore and still experiment with catching prey. ...
On 11/29/2016 at 10:41 AM, scaleface said:You aint fishing where I'm fishing .
Rarely, I suppose, is the key word here.
Whether juvenile bass use offshore regions is dependent on the same factors as for all fish: It comes down to food pay-off vs predation risk. Add food and the equation tips. Add cover and it tips further. Subtract cover and it tips the other way -toward the predators.
Bluegills (and some other sunfishes) have a common early life history behavior pattern that illustrates this well. Bluegill fry, after hatching, move offshore to feed on zooplankton in open water. They also do this to escape from mostly shoreline and cover oriented bass fingerlings already hatched. Why don't the bass fingerlings follow them out? Because, from my own observations, they are large enough to be fodder for the wolf-packs of juvenile bass that tend to occupy the semi-open water zones between dense cover and true open water. Mature bass come and go through both zones, but are safer than smaller fish so they are freer to occupy open water, unless larger predators in sufficient numbers exist out there. It's akin to a strategy game, carried out through opposing capabilities and limitations.
After the little bluegills grow a bit (and rapidly), and assume the laterally compressed bluegill shape (an anti-bass form), they come back shallow and tuck into cover (becoming the "bluegills" we all know) where they have an advantage over the bass in terms of maneuverability. Interestingly, and tellingly, in some waters without near-shore predators like bass, many bluegill fry do not migrate offshore, but remain inshore. Every water body is a bit different.
One other thing. It's apparent to me that little bass are more comfortable in open water around larger bass than are little bluegills. And this appears to be bc bass are more streamlined, faster, and probably harder for bigger bass to get a bead on. Not that bluegills are pushovers -far from it.
WRB reply :
We tend to lump LMB into 3 groups by size and weight. Remember male LMB may never fall into the big bass group regardless of age, most males are 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 lbs as adults. It's only the females that get big, very rare for a male to exceed 4 lbs. There are a lot of small adult male bass.
Tom
greentrout reply :
On 12/2/2016 at 9:29 PM, scaleface said:
No doubt. One lake in particular probably 90 percent of the bass I caught last year were between 12 and 15 inches . Then a decent population of big bass . Not many three lbers . Its a great numbers lake plus a good opportunity to catch a big fish or two .
Hasnt everybody ran into a lot of small bass on major structure ? Its pretty common for me .
You might also want to check out, if you haven't already, the stats on the bass tournaments in your state with the statewide bass clubs. You will find the avg. size, length, weight and time of avg. catch with biggest bass and more. They are usually your better than average bassers.
Paul Roberts reply :
On 12/2/2016 at 9:29 PM, scaleface said:One lake in particular probably 90 percent of the bass I caught last year were between 12 and 15 inches . Then a decent population of big bass . Not many three lbers . Its a great numbers lake plus a good opportunity to catch a big fish or two .
Yeah, holes in the size distribution are pretty common nowadays. That 12-15" group could be the result of a strong natural year class, or to stocking. The bigger fish are older survivors, or those that managed to break a trophic threshold (catch and eat a population of prey too big for smaller bass to eat), although unless there's a lot of such larger prey, such fish rarely make for fishable numbers. Things do change over time though. Hit em while they're hot.
One of my best waters flamed out a few years ago, with the loss of the year class of big ones through old age and anglers who couldn't put the big ones back. Then the 1000yr floods came in 2013, and that's all she wrote, for the time being. 
Turkey sandwich reply :
Now, to throw a wrench in things... There are certainly times where you will find fish of different size in much closer proximity and in specific areas. This usually happens due to seasonal change (bass stacked in wintering holes), or changes in water conditions.
One of the most common changes in conditions that will impact bass distribution is a high water condition/rising water levels on a river. These are considered great big fish conditions, but they tend to push the vast majority of fish into larger eddies and towards the shoreline due to swift current. During these times, fish will be far less present feeding in fast runs or smaller eddies and the majority populations of all species will seek refuge from the fast current and feeding opportunities in the flooded/expanded shoreline. These are days when large numbers, and multi species catches are more common, but it's also not strange to catch several 17-20" fish in close proximity to several 10-12" fish.
A good example of this would be the ponds produced when rivers flood and then recede. We used to refer to them as "snagging ponds" jokingly because of how dense the fish were crowded into them and how often you would snag fish even when unintentional. In a 1-2 acre pond, it wouldn't be uncommon to catch bass, pike, musky, catfish, fallfish, quilback, and inadvertently snag a 20+lb carp or 40lb snapping turtle. Those small 1-2 acre ponds off of a large River would contain a huge chunk of the food chain.
WRB reply :
On 11/27/2016 at 11:17 PM, scaleface said:Here a situation I find myself in frequently . I find a large school of small bass on good structure .It could be a point , channel bend , hump... But in this instance lets say it is a long point . I usually just keep catching numbers and hope that eventually I hook a big one or two . How do you try to get a few bigger bites ?
This is the original post asking how to get a few bigger bites.
The answer is be at the right place at the right time with the right lure presentation. IF dink bass are biting where you are fishing move, you are in the wrong place at that time. If you want to camp out on that point hoping for big bass to start biting you may have a long wait for reasons I have already addressed. Not every bass is on the same active feeding cycle, but the big bass where those drinks are now active are no longer active and it may be several hours before they turn on agian.....if you are in the right place to start with.
Not all structure is equal or holds a big bass population. Take a look at threads on how to read maps and notice that only a few areas are high % locations.
Tom
Catt reply :
On 12/3/2016 at 6:20 AM, WRB said:This is the original post asking how to get a few bigger bites.
The answer is be at the right place at the right time with the right lure presentation. IF dink bass are biting where you are fishing move, you are in the wrong place at that time. If you want to camp out on that point hoping for big bass to start biting you may have a long wait for reasons I have already addressed. Not every bass is on the same active feeding cycle, but the big bass where those drinks are now active are no longer active and it may be several hours before they turn on agian.....if you are in the right place to start with.
Not all structure is equal or holds a big bass population. Take a look at threads on how to read maps and notice that only a few areas are high % locations.
Tom
Like everything about fishing... It's a guess!
That's why it's called fishing & not catching 
WRB reply :
On 12/3/2016 at 12:09 PM, Catt said:Like everything about fishing... It's a guess!
That's why it's called fishing & not catching
It's a swag
Catt reply :
On 12/3/2016 at 12:25 PM, WRB said:It's a swag
No it's an educated guess but still a guess!
Not all bass feed at the same time!
One minute ya catching tighteyes & the next hawgs!
How do we know when to move?
We don't!
We guess & hope we're right!
WRB reply :
It's called fishing.
wdp reply :
Here's my 2 cents worth. I think a lot that's been said makes logical sense, but when it comes to fishing, sometimes it's hard to explain bass behavior.
For example, I was fishing a spot one day that was a deeper depression next to 2 big fields of lily pads. It was probably only 4-5 ft deep, but also had a couple of sunken logs on it. I would throw a white pearl super fluke past that depression and twitch/jerk the fluke into that spot & I'd kill it. It was non stop action for about 20 mins or so. Bet I caught 15 or 16 one to two pounders right after another with a few misses mixed in there. Then all the sudden I hooked a hawg. Was prob 6 lbs or more.
My point, you never know. I was using that same bait & presentation the whole time. Then finally hooked a good one. Kinda hard to leave a spot when they're biting that good. I got no idea why that big one finally bit. And anybody that tries to explain it is just guessing. No way to know for sure.
dragger201 reply :
I'll fish the schooling fish until I get a general idea how big any area they are covering..........once I have that figured out, I start fishing ambush points 5 to 10 yards around them...........using a sinking rattle trap and switching out with a soft lizard. Will also try and fish under the school.........sometimes it works and sometimes it don't..........
Jagg reply :
On 11/28/2016 at 12:36 AM, A-Jay said:
Edit : If the Bigger bass are actually EATING the smaller bass - that sort of changes things up a bit as well.
A-Jay
This has been my experience with a large school of feeding smaller to medium size bass. I'll often switch to medium-large bass colored baits. Lucky 13s, Spooks, Heddon Torpedoes, bass colored crankbaits, jointed swimbaits. Also, bass colored and Houdini colored soft plastics like grubs (curly tail and boot tails), soft swimbaits, flukes (donkey rig with one bass color and one Houdini). Haven't tried the swim gig in this situation yet, but look forward to it. I've caught not only big bass in TX Hill Country waters on this pattern but also stripers, wipers and flatheads. Seems the smaller bass victims are mostly Guadalupe bass and Guad hybrids. Found more than a few bass tails sticking out of the gullets when I get them to the boat.
the reel ess reply :
You can use larger lures. Huge ones even. But you'll run the risk of days with no bites.
Snipe Hunter reply :
I agree with using a larger bait. When I was a kid, I would pound the shoreline with a rooster tail and catch a lot of smaller fish. I was told that I'd always catch small fish if I always fished small lures. In those days Arborgast , Big-O, Heddon (to name a few) etc made the big lures and I started using them. I caught less fish but they were bigger fish. The little fish didn't go away, they just didn't hit the bigger baits. I no longer fish tournaments so it is easier to target bigger fish and not be too unhappy when I get skunked. I throw big baits, even for SM.
Catt reply :
Jagg reply :
On 12/15/2016 at 10:14 PM, Catt said:
That's OK for LA bass, but you need something bigger for the TX bass.
scaleface reply :
On 12/15/2016 at 10:14 PM, Catt said:
Interesting , but I think it would be difficult to cast. The hooks look like junk too .
RoLo reply :
“Catching larger fish in a school of dinks”
It seems that I've dredged-up an old, but thought-provoking thread 
Short Answer:
Bass innately school according to year-class, so in my opinion, the best way to catch a trophy bass
among immature bass is to move ‘away’ from the school of juveniles.
Longer Answer:
Juvenile fish don't willingly intermingle with adult fish, and there are 2 good reasons why:
>> First & foremost, immature fish instinctively sense that they fit nicely in the mouth of a big predator.
>> In addition, immature fish are faster and more energetic than adult fish
which are unable to compete with juvenile bass.
In deference to Timing & Territory, trophy adults and runt bass either eat at different restaurants
or eat at the same restaurant at different times. WELL, as a rule 
Same Restaurant / Same Time
In saltwater, we’ve often found slammer blues (bluefish in the teens) lying on the bottom beneath
a school of busting choppers (2 to 6 lb fish). Although the mature and immature fish
might be separated by 15 feet, any crippled baitfish and fish chunks that flutter to the bottom
are vacuumed-up by bottom-hugging adults. This same scenario can play out with freshwater bass too,
but to a much lesser degree. Since bass have no teeth they’re forced to swallow their prey whole,
which will leave the occasional cripple, but no residue forage.
Roger
RoweBoatRVA reply :
On 11/28/2016 at 1:14 AM, WRB said:In the predator kingdom the biggest most aggressive eats when and where it chooses, the weaker smaller predators get the left overs. Big bass eat small bass, they rarely share the same locations at the same time.
Tom
WRB,
This is a great point and an interesting way to look at larger fish. Most people speak about larger fish being solitary, sitting off by themselves. But I never thought to look at it as them being left alone by smaller fish out of fear.
Paul Roberts reply :
A follow up to WRB's post about large bass domination.
This is generally true. I've often said to new fishers that complain they are only catching small fish that they are most likely doing one or all of these things: fishing too fast, fishing too shallow, or fishing too far from key spots in prime habitat.
For the first...ah... slow down (forward speed).
For the second, either get away from the shore, or fish where you're fishing, only closer to the bottom or closer to the cover.
For the third, get to know your water. Then find key feeding, resting, migrating, or spawning areas. Then figure out how and when they're making use of the area.
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