Another Japanese 20+ 2024
5bass reply :
If anybody's wondering what a kicker fish looks like....here's one. ;D Story and pics from Bassmaster.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/bassmaster/bigBass/news/story?page=b_BigBass_Shimotahira_20100826
Scorcher214 reply :
That's it...I'm moving to Japan.
NateFollmer reply :
AH GEEZ they spelled my name wrong in the article... It's NATHAN FOLLMER...
Big-O catches fish like that all the time :
WRB reply :
Look back in April, this story was already posted.
WRB
OHIO reply :
Did they kill it?
ShaneK1990 reply :
Schweet scale! lol Thats a monster though.
brushhoggin reply :
sugoi desu!
5bass reply :
QuoteLook back in April, this story was already posted.WRB
Oh come on WRB. I have to read repeat threads on the same topics over and over and over. Can you cut me some slack just this one time? :-[
SoFlaBassAddict reply :
Man. Talk about things dreams are made of.
Bass_Akwards reply :
QuoteQuoteLook back in April, this story was already posted.WRB
Oh come on WRB. I have to read repeat threads on the same topics over and over and over. Can you cut me some slack just this one time? :-[
Ha. Gotta go with FBL on this one. It took me about two years to really start noticing a bunch of repeat posts, and now it seems like 95% of them are repeats. I've personally started dozens of threads on this board (more than some, nowhere near as many as others) and I think I've seen a repeat of about 80% of my "original" threads, not to mention all the other repeats of other peoples threads. To have to read them over and over and over takes a special kind of talent. 
Starting a truely original thread in the "general bass fishing" forum on a board of this size, activity level, and knowlege base is super tough at this point.
Jall65 reply :
Shoot! that fish was only 7 inches 
Bass_Akwards reply :
QuoteShoot! that fish was only 7 inches
The 70cm is amazing but what was it's girth? I have a John Elway autographed authentic NFL football. I'll go measure the girth of that thing and I bet it's close.
SGT Rico reply :
Its not fair!!!!!!!.....jejejejeje
NorcalBassin reply :
Wow, that's incredible. If that pig is still alive, she's got a broken jaw and probably lost 3-4 pounds already. That being said, I'd still be happy to catch her.
Mattlures reply :
I have heard that that lake does not require you to keep the bass and that fish was released. Also holding a fish like that does no damage and anybody who says different is wrong. I dont care who they are. The jaws on those monsters are STRONG. They actualy hurt when they clamp down. 
Verticle is fine as long as your not twisting up on the jaw.. Horizontal, you need to use both hands and suport the weight.
Mudwalker reply :
No wonder Godzilla hangs out in Japan.
njbasstracker reply :
another monster fish i wish it came from the us
WRB reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteLook back in April, this story was already posted.WRB
Oh come on WRB. I have to read repeat threads on the same topics over and over and over. Can you cut me some slack just this one time? :-[
Ha. Gotta go with FBL on this one. It took me about two years to really start noticing a bunch of repeat posts, and now it seems like 95% of them are repeats. I've personally started dozens of threads on this board (more than some, nowhere near as many as others) and I think I've seen a repeat of about 80% of my "original" threads, not to mention all the other repeats of other peoples threads. To have to read them over and over and over takes a special kind of talent.
Starting a truely original thread in the "general bass fishing" forum on a board of this size, activity level, and knowlege base is super tough at this point.
Had no idea mentioning a thread was repeated is an issue, accept my apology.
20+lb LMB are exceptionally rare fish and this bass has a misshapen tail and was caught on spinning tackle using a 4" soft plastic. I don't have a problem remembering the few that have been caught during my lifetime.
WRB
senile1 reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteLook back in April, this story was already posted.WRB
Oh come on WRB. I have to read repeat threads on the same topics over and over and over. Can you cut me some slack just this one time? :-[
Ha. Gotta go with FBL on this one. It took me about two years to really start noticing a bunch of repeat posts, and now it seems like 95% of them are repeats. I've personally started dozens of threads on this board (more than some, nowhere near as many as others) and I think I've seen a repeat of about 80% of my "original" threads, not to mention all the other repeats of other peoples threads. To have to read them over and over and over takes a special kind of talent.
Starting a truely original thread in the "general bass fishing" forum on a board of this size, activity level, and knowlege base is super tough at this point.
I raise your 95 to 99%. It's why I read and rarely post anymore. There's just not much left to say that someone hasn't already said.
Bass_Akwards reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLook back in April, this story was already posted.WRB
Oh come on WRB. I have to read repeat threads on the same topics over and over and over. Can you cut me some slack just this one time? :-[
Ha. Gotta go with FBL on this one. It took me about two years to really start noticing a bunch of repeat posts, and now it seems like 95% of them are repeats. I've personally started dozens of threads on this board (more than some, nowhere near as many as others) and I think I've seen a repeat of about 80% of my "original" threads, not to mention all the other repeats of other peoples threads. To have to read them over and over and over takes a special kind of talent.
Starting a truely original thread in the "general bass fishing" forum on a board of this size, activity level, and knowlege base is super tough at this point.
Had no idea mentioning a thread was repeated is an issue, accept my apology.
20+lb LMB are exceptionally rare fish and this bass has a misshapen tail and was caught on spinning tackle using a 4" soft plastic. I don't have a problem remembering the few that have been caught during my lifetime.
WRB
WRB check the battery in your sarcasm detecter/meter. ;D :
WRB reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLook back in April, this story was already posted.WRB
Oh come on WRB. I have to read repeat threads on the same topics over and over and over. Can you cut me some slack just this one time? :-[
Ha. Gotta go with FBL on this one. It took me about two years to really start noticing a bunch of repeat posts, and now it seems like 95% of them are repeats. I've personally started dozens of threads on this board (more than some, nowhere near as many as others) and I think I've seen a repeat of about 80% of my "original" threads, not to mention all the other repeats of other peoples threads. To have to read them over and over and over takes a special kind of talent.
Starting a truely original thread in the "general bass fishing" forum on a board of this size, activity level, and knowlege base is super tough at this point.
Had no idea mentioning a thread was repeated is an issue, accept my apology.
20+lb LMB are exceptionally rare fish and this bass has a misshapen tail and was caught on spinning tackle using a 4" soft plastic. I don't have a problem remembering the few that have been caught during my lifetime.
WRB
WRB check the battery in your sarcasm detecter/meter. ;D :
Fully charged and waiting to the next 20+ lber.
bilgerat reply :
I love it. Rental boat with a 2 horse motor. A 4" bait on a 1/16 oz jighead. One mind blowing bass later....
Bass_Akwards reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLook back in April, this story was already posted.WRB
Oh come on WRB. I have to read repeat threads on the same topics over and over and over. Can you cut me some slack just this one time? :-[
Ha. Gotta go with FBL on this one. It took me about two years to really start noticing a bunch of repeat posts, and now it seems like 95% of them are repeats. I've personally started dozens of threads on this board (more than some, nowhere near as many as others) and I think I've seen a repeat of about 80% of my "original" threads, not to mention all the other repeats of other peoples threads. To have to read them over and over and over takes a special kind of talent.
Starting a truely original thread in the "general bass fishing" forum on a board of this size, activity level, and knowlege base is super tough at this point.
Had no idea mentioning a thread was repeated is an issue, accept my apology.
20+lb LMB are exceptionally rare fish and this bass has a misshapen tail and was caught on spinning tackle using a 4" soft plastic. I don't have a problem remembering the few that have been caught during my lifetime.
WRB
WRB check the battery in your sarcasm detecter/meter. ;D :
Fully charged and waiting to the next 20+ lber.
WRB where do you (and other BR members) think that 20+ is coming from? The US? Japan? Perhaps somewhere else? I've always said Cuba is going to one day have the world record. I've been down there, I've heard some "fish stories" and seen pics of some HUGE bass from there. If it ever becomes a bigger destination for world class bass anglers, you might see some big surprises.
SoFlaBassAddict reply :
Being down here in Miami, I know my fair share of Cubans. I've seen some pictures of some grossly huge bass caught in Cuba. I'd love to get down there to fish one day. Some of the big fish stories are ridiculous. Plus you can get some seriously good food there.
0119 reply :
Wow its vicious here anymore. If it isnt Shimano only arguments its self proclaimed fish biologists who 'know' more than men who hold doctorate degrees.
NorcalBassin reply :
QuoteI have heard that that lake does not require you to keep the bass and that fish was released. Also holding a fish like that does no damage and anybody who says different is wrong. I dont care who they are. The jaws on those monsters are STRONG. They actualy hurt when they clamp down.
Well, there you go then. I've read a lot of opinions from professionals a lot more bass smart than me that have said otherwise, so it's nice to hear the other side of the argument.
Mattlures reply :
Trust me I have held many big fish and I always hold them like that. How do you think everybody weighs them? The use a hanging scale and either poke a hole under ther bottom lip or by thier throat. My friends have caught 100's if not 1000's(combined) of double didgit bass and none of us have ever found one later with any jaw problems. Many of these fish have been caught multiple times. These big old fish are senior citizens and should be treated gently but the verticle jaw hold is fine.
WRB reply :
QuoteTrust me I have held many big fish and I always hold them like that. How do you think everybody weighs them? The use a hanging scale and either poke a hole under ther bottom lip or by thier throat. My friends have caught 100's if not 1000's(combined) of double didgit bass and none of us have ever found one later with any jaw problems. Many of these fish have been caught multiple times. These big old fish are senior citizens and should be treated gently but the verticle jaw hold is fine.
+1
I believe Matt is talking about giant bass, not bass the size you try to hold with your thumb and index finger. The vertical hold were you grip the inside jaw with your fingers and the outside jaw with your thumb pressed tightly controls the bass from wrenching out of the grip.
As long as you don't bend the jaw open with the weight of the bass, there is no harm to the bass.
To held horizontal, you hold the jaw as described and rotate the bass holding the tail end of the bass.
WRB
WRB reply :
BA, the WR bass is likely to be from Japan or California.
I don't believe in the Cuban 30 lb giant bass stories. Cuba may have 16lb to 18 lb LMB, 20+lbs bass are extremely rare. Florida for example has never produced a validated 20+ and Cuba doesn't appear to have forage base to grow heavy bodied bass. Wait and see.
WRB
Raul reply :
QuoteBA, the WR bass is likely to be from Japan or California.I don't believe in the Cuban 30 lb giant bass stories. Cuba may have 16lb to 18 lb LMB, 20+lbs bass are extremely rare. Florida for example has never produced a validated 20+ and Cuba doesn't appear to have forage base to grow heavy bodied bass. Wait and see.
WRB
Cuba has the weather, the forage base, the places, the genetics to grow giant bass, what Cuba lacks of is CONSERVATION, in Cuba everything is catch n 'keep, so the chances of a fish growing to the 20+ lbs mark are slim, it will be caught and eaten long before it can reach that size. I 've been to Cuba ( not to fish ) several times and have visited Lebrije & Habanilla lakes just to see whassup and man they do have big feesh, only problem is that they end up in the frying pan. :-/
Mattlures reply :
I agree with WRB on Cuba, lots of rumors but nothing even close to proof. There is a huge difference between a 22.4lb bass and a 15lber. Most, if they saw a 15 would swear it was 20lbs or even a record. When I caught my 17 I was afraid to weigh it. My imagination was going wild.
Raul I am not edjucated on the cuba lakes. What do the bass have to eat, tilapia? bluegill? Honestly I am not questioning your opinion because I know very little about Cuba bass. I have read some stories and it seems like the anglers there are not very advanced. It seems like if a bunch of the best pros and trophy guys went down there they would catch some big fish, I am just not sure about 20+lbers
One observation I have noticed is that the Mexican bass tend to grow very fast but dont live long. Not quite perfect conditions. I would think Cuba would be similar. Both Cali and Japan do have cooler winters but not too cold so the fish live longer but they stay active throughout the year. I think those couple extra years is the difference between the Mexican bass and the Cali/Japan bass.
Catt reply :
I highly suggest y'all do a Yahoo or Google search for Cuban Bass Fsihing, there is plenty of proof!
Feild & Stream artical 2007, Jimmy Houston Outdoors, Cuba Travel Usa, "The Bass Professor" Doug Hannon, Chuck Bauer @ worldrecordbass.com
Mattlures reply :
Catt I am talking about proof of world class giant bass. 20+lbers. I have not seen any from Cuba. If you know of a credible source with pictures please post a link.
Raul reply :
QuoteRaul I am not edjucated on the cuba lakes. What do the bass have to eat, tilapia? bluegill? Honestly I am not questioning your opinion because I know very little about Cuba bass. I have read some stories and it seems like the anglers there are not very advanced. It seems like if a bunch of the best pros and trophy guys went down there they would catch some big fish, I am just not sure about 20+lbersOne observation I have noticed is that the Mexican bass tend to grow very fast but dont live long. Not quite perfect conditions. I would think Cuba would be similar. Both Cali and Japan do have cooler winters but not too cold so the fish live longer but they stay active throughout the year. I think those couple extra years is the difference between the Mexican bass and the Cali/Japan bass.
Abundant tilapia ( multiple species ) like in Mexico Matt, that 's what bass eat mostly, plus bluegills, native cyprinids, carp, the tropical climate of the island suits tilapia well ( they multiply a lot ). Anglers don 't fish for sport, they fish for food and about they guys, it 's like jumping into a time machine and going back to the 50 's, that 's the kind of tackle they use plus lots of self made lures. 20 pounders is a possibility but I wouldn 't bet on it, they do have some big fish but I didn 't see anything out of the ordinary ( being "ordinary" fish in the 8-12 pounds range ).
Cuban bass in many aspects is like Mexican bass, they grow fast, short and wide, their methabolism is always on the run, so I don 't think that they will live long enough to reach full growth potential ( warm climate, catch n 'keep and lack of conservation practices ). I heard that lately that the Cuban government has plans for a couple of lakes, the plan is to turn them into something sort of a Meca for bass fishermen from around the world, the plan includes banning gill net fishing, establishing conservation practices and building the infrastructure to make them attractive to tourists but that 's what I heard, I can 't provide more information.
Too bad I wasn 't there to fish, I bet if I had taken some gear ( plus my knowledge and skill ) I would have made a killing, them Cuban bass must be dumber than rocks.
Mattlures reply :
Raul, lets go! of cource the grass is always greener. I bet those fish arent that dumb but I would like our odds of catching some
Catt reply :
QuoteCatt I am talking about proof of world class giant bass. 20+lbers. I have not seen any from Cuba. If you know of a credible source with pictures please post a link.
Uh I think I just did!
I personally know four anglers from Southwest Louisiana who have made trips to Cuba during the mid to late 70s and they have pictures of 20 lb plus bass they caught. I'll try to get some of them, I know three of these anglers have passed away but maybe their family will share the photos.
Raul, The Cuban bass is believed to grow slightly faster and be slightly more aggressive than the Florida bass. Bass were first introduced into Cuba around 1915 by people from the Kings Ranch and the United Fruit Company.
Raul reply :
QuoteRaul, lets go! of cource the grass is always greener. I bet those fish arent that dumb but I would like our odds of catching some
For what I saw them Cuban bass must be as dumb as rocks, you should see the plugs the guys use to fish, a fish that bites such primitive plugs must be as dumb as a rock. I don 't think they stand a chance against a well designed modern bait.
Mattlures reply :
QuoteQuoteCatt I am talking about proof of world class giant bass. 20+lbers. I have not seen any from Cuba. If you know of a credible source with pictures please post a link.Uh I think I just did!
I personally know four anglers from Southwest Louisiana who have made trips to Cuba during the mid to late 70s and they have pictures of 20 lb plus bass they caught. I'll try to get some of them, I know three of these anglers have passed away but maybe their family will share the photos.
Raul, The Cuban bass is believed to grow slightly faster and be slightly more aggressive than the Florida bass. Bass were first introduced into Cuba around 1915 by people from the Kings Ranch and the United Fruit Company.
I googled your serches and all I found was a sales pitch saying they have caught fish bigger then the world record but they were caught illegaly, no pictures of course so no proof. all the pics they do show are of big bass but nothing even clos to 20 lbs. I believe the Cuban gaint bass are urban myth. I would love to see some pictures if you can find some.
South FLA reply :
My family members in Cuba fish the "prensas" (reservoirs), when they can risking imprisonment to catch fish to eat! Yes people catch bass in Cuba to EAT, to h**l with the sport fishing when you need to eat something other than government rationed food to get by. Natives have very "primitive" fishing tackle since they can't run down to the local Wall-Mart and buy fishing tackle, not even Zebco, oops I mean QUANTUM ;D. Now if you are a tourist in Cuba sport fishing is like heaven, Snook fishing especially, saltwater fishing is spectacular and overshadows freshwater fishing, but Lake Hannabanilla and ZaZa are the top lakes.
I remember as a kid watching a Jimmy Houston show where he went to Cuba to fish and caught the largest bass in his life at the time. Not sure if he has caught, bigger, but must be pretty impressive fishing.
CAdeltaLipRipper reply :
isnt this the guy they think fed bass everyday or something by at first making a noise that the fish started to recognize as a dinner bell and after they started getting huge he called them up one day and caught this giant?
And by the way about the cuba thing....no thats bull for 20 lbers unless they were unofficial. Im pretty sure something like 22 of the top 25 biggest bass every caught in the world have come from California,one from georgia,another from japan,and another from florida.
CAdeltaLipRipper reply :
and by the way the world record already has come from the US. Dotty dixon was 25.1 pounds it just wasnt a certified record because she was foul hooked.
SoFlaBassAddict reply :
Kind of makes it not the world record then....
Dr. Watson reply :
good lord, I bet that was a fun catch
Raul reply :
Quoteisnt this the guy they think fed bass everyday or something by at first making a noise that the fish started to recognize as a dinner bell and after they started getting huge he called them up one day and caught this giant?And by the way about the cuba thing....no thats bull for 20 lbers unless they were unofficial. Im pretty sure something like 22 of the top 25 biggest bass every caught in the world have come from California,one from georgia,another from japan,and another from florida.
Well, I think that the fact that most of the 20 lbs pound fish come from Cali means only that Cali keeps good track of it 's fisheries like in the rest of the good ole USA, in other countries such track in keeping records is also common, countries like Japan and most countries in Europe, in other countries such thing is not the norm but the exception, the only thing you have to do is to cross the southern border and you 'll see what I 'm talking about, in Mexico in practical terms nobody keeps track of the fish caught, there are very few IGFA certified scales, very few IGFA officials, there 's little or none infrastructure to keep a good track of the fish, the Mexican "Record" is 19+ pounds and no other fish has ever been submitted to my knowledge and there are a big bunch of mexican lakes that produce 10+ lbs fish with regularity, one of those lakes is not far from my home town ( 2 hour drive ) and only a few people know about it. If that happens on the neighbooring country you can 't ask miracles out of a poor country like Cuba, if Mexico doesn 't have the infrastructure Cuba has it less. What you know about a country like let 's say South Africa ? not much, however South Africa has some serious fish and countries like that there are a lot.
Wanna see what you can catch at Calderón ( the lake I was talking about ) ? take a look at this fish:
J Francho reply :
How is feeding baitfish to Japanese bass any different than feeding trout smolts to California bass?
Raul reply :
I think that what separates the line J is the intent, if you have a lake and you suplement on a regular basis you are purposefuly feeding the fish, if you are stocking the lake like in Cali with pan size trout the intent is not to purposefuly feed the bass, it 's to stock the lake with catch n 'keep fish ( the trout ).
Tin reply :
QuoteHow is feeding baitfish to Japanese bass any different than feeding trout smolts to California bass?
A protein bar is a a protein bar
J Francho reply :
QuoteI think that what separates the line J is the intent, if you have a lake and you suplement on a regular basis you are purposefuly feeding the fish, if you are stocking the lake like in Cali with pan size trout the intent is not to purposefuly feed the bass, it 's to stock the lake with catch n 'keep fish ( the trout ).
Then explain the difference in "intent" of the Share a Lunker program in Texas. Or ANY creel limit/size limit. Personally, I think there is extra scrutiny and criticism because its a fish from foreign waters. I love it when guys say that Japanese bass don't count because its not their native habitat. Same guys are proud of the brown trout records, and huge California bass.
Raul reply :
Well share a lunker intent is obvioulsy to create monster size bass bred from monster size bass, that 's the intent.
How I understand limits is to maintain a healthy population with fish in all sizes.
The one I don 't undertand is this one:
love it when guys say that Japanese bass don't count because its not their native habitat.
I don 't how some people can be so ignorant and stubborn to the point of zealousness, in most of the US, like in most of Mexico bass is a non native, so if you catch a bass anywhere where the the fish was introduced then it 's a non native, based upon that school of thought: if it ain 't native it don 't count, those basses caught out of their native waters don 't count either. Yes the fish is native to southern USA and northeast Mexico but it 's not native to the entire country, just to a small part of it.
J Francho reply :
Black Lake, NY has a 15" limit. NYDEC's stated intent was to create a trophy largemouth fishery. The plan didn't work, 90% of the fish are 14.75", but the intent was clear.
WRB reply :
Just read the added to posts to this thread, interesting.
The reason I stated the 30 lb Cuban bass is a myth was based on my conversations with Monte Burke*, who traveled to Cuba to authenticate any giant bass catches and was unable to do so. This doesn't mean that 17 lb to 18 lb bass have been caught in Cuba, over 20 lbs that another issue.
Mexico has a much different problem growing giants; poaching and gill nets. Everything else is in place in several Mexican lakes to grow 20+ bass....if they can live long enough time to attain maximum weights.
Two 20+lb bass have been caught in CA and authenticated that came from lakes without any trout population; Lake Hodges and Moreno. The Sacramento delta area could produce a 20+ lb bass without a trout population, although the delta does have a salmon migration. Long growing season combined with genetic growth potential of FLMB, the location could be anywhere that has those conditions...as Japan proved. South Africa has produced 18+lb LMB.
Record bass lists are only as accurate as the people who make up the list. I have caught 2 bass that should be on the top 25 lists, if I had taken the time to authenticate my catches. I have tried to rectify that by sending in my proof, photos, witnesses, newspaper clipping etc. How many other giant bass have been caught and not recorded properly...hundreds.
FLMB were transplanted to CA for improved average bass size; 2 lbs to 3 lbs was the goal. Nobody expected FLMB to grow to become giants, until they did. Japan is still the odds on favorite to produce the next 20+lb bass.
WRB
*Sowbelly author.
CAdeltaLipRipper reply :
QuoteKind of makes it not the world record then....
its not a "certified" world record. It still shows you how big bass can get and its bigger than any other one caught. Just because it didnt meet the standards to be the official record (just cause it was fowl hooked) does not take 5 pounds off of the fish. Its still 25 pounds. oh and by the way when i said the 22 of 25 biggest have come from california i wasnt trying to brag for california i was just saying 24 of the 25 biggest bass have come from the US while japan is the only other country on there that has a fish in the top.
CAdeltaLipRipper reply :
QuoteHow is feeding baitfish to Japanese bass any different than feeding trout smolts to California bass?
Not what i was saying. I was saying he was training the fish to come to him for yum yums,not because of what he was feeding them
SPEEDBEAD. reply :
QuoteQuoteKind of makes it not the world record then....its not a "certified" world record. It still shows you how big bass can get and its bigger than any other one caught. Just because it didnt meet the standards to be the official record (just cause it was fowl hooked) does not take 5 pounds off of the fish. Its still 25 pounds. oh and by the way when i said the 22 of 25 biggest have come from california i wasnt trying to brag for california i was just saying 24 of the 25 biggest bass have come from the US while japan is the only other country on there that has a fish in the top.
Correction, they have THE fish ON TOP.
No other fish matter at this point, IMO, only the next fish that is bigger.
Dottie was a great looking fish, but it's still not the record. Argue until you are blue in the face, doesn't matter to me.
There is a reason Mike Long, Mattlures, WRB and other Cali bass guys don't "officially" report their big catches:
1. They don't want people knowing where the fish are being caught.
2. If it's not "The One" then who really cares if it's certified or not?
J Francho reply :
QuoteQuoteHow is feeding baitfish to Japanese bass any different than feeding trout smolts to California bass?Not what i was saying. I was saying he was training the fish to come to him for yum yums,not because of what he was feeding them
And you don't think the bass know where the trout wagon is dropping them off at? Between this point, and some others, you are in over your head. Probably better to listen. Someone much smarter than most of us might comment.
Mattlures reply :
There is definatley a lot of misinformation out there about trout stocking in Cali. I will try and clear some of it up.
Trout are usualy only stocked about 4 months out of the year.
Trout are stocked for fisherman to catch, not to feed the bass.
Trout fishing makes more money for the lakes then bass fishing durring those colder months.
Most lakes do not stock on specific dates and times that are known to the fisherman.
Many times the lakes are stocked on a day the lake is closed.
Most of the time the trout are stocked in areas that are restrickted to fishing, like launch ramps or dams.
A lot of stocked trout are too big for the bass to eat.
Yes the bass do recognize the sound of the trout truck but in most cases the fisherman do not have the ability to fish for those bass at that time.
In regaurds to Manabu training the big bass by feeding them. That was the world record Not this other 20lb fish.
Why discredit him for doing that? If anything give him props. He played by the rules and figured out a way to out smart the WR bass. Plus he out smarted all the other fisherman who were also trying to catch the fish. He broke no rules or laws. I think his catch was ingenious.
About not reporting our big bass. We have all made the mistake of reporting a big fish before. Very little good comes of it but alot of bad things can happen.
Your once good bite is now shut down because there are boats every 30 yards from each other. Guys dont forget either so they will keep coming back and if they recognize you on a spot they will watch you and even GPS your spot when you leave. Guys who catch big bass always have haters. Some guys who cant catch big bass think that you must be cheating because its impossible to be that much better then they are.
In general reporting big bass bring a bunch of unwanted atention. For me its a little different. When I catch big bass on my baits it helps sales so I do report some fish but I try to do it without ruining my bite and without making everybody mad at me. Its a tight rope act. I still havent decided what I will do if I catch a lake record. I have gotten close before but I havent broke one yet. It will not be an easy decision.
WRB reply :
Just an added note to rainbow trout stocking; lakes must have cool enough water, ideally 60 degrees and no warmer than 70 degrees to stock. This is one reason for planting lakes with bass during the winter months.
The Quagga mussel issue coupled with native trout specie issues has stopped trout plants in several giant bass lakes in California. Introduction of striped bass in a few giant bass lakes has a major impact on the pelagic bait fish population; LMB can't compete with the bigger and faster stripers for the planted trout.
Sometimes it's better to stay under the radar. The whale that surfaces get harpooned. Good reasons for keeping a low profile on the water.
20 years ago, before GPS and cell phones in every boat, the WR bass had a $1,000,000 bounty and "anglers" would set up spotting scopes on high ground to watch trophy fisherman all day. If you caught a big bass and someone "witnessed" it, boats would be on you within minutes...can't imagine the circus those days were. Things have changed somewhat; now you are "way pointed" and the spot is shared via cell phones, the fleet shows up the next day or so. Without the big $$, the pressure is far less, but the anglers are better skilled.
Good luck Matt, need to get some of your Jitterfish.
WRB
Raul reply :
Besides, you pay for the trout stamp, more income for Cali 's wildlife service '.
WRB reply :
QuoteBesides, you pay for the trout stamp, more income for Cali 's wildlife service '.
We no longer have a trout stamp, it's now a $4.75 enhancement fee to fish the ocean. CA DFG is funded by the general fund, licenses fees no longer go towards our wild life service. The state is broke, no budget and is being run into the ground by professional politicians. You are safer in CA than Mexico, our thieves are supported by taxes.
WRB
Matt Fly reply :
From the late 70's to 1994, I don't remember a trout stamp at all, it was just pay an extra 5.oo at the lake gait if they were stocked, no matter if ya was fishing for something else.
Matt Fly reply :
My first experience with commorants came in Cali.
You guys think the bass line up for the trucks, try 100's of commorants eating dumb trout.
Between the fishermen and commorants, the rainbows don't last long.
Do some research on how much a commorant consumes in a day, multiple that time the number of birds, yes, trout get eat by the bass, they are easy dumb prey, but its not as big an issue as its made out to be.
You could stock trout everyday in Texas and you will not grow those bass. We don't have the growing season that Cali has, pure and simple.
Cali bass can grow 365 days a year, the bass don't have to endure 40 degree water temps for a few months of the year or 90 degree water temps.
The Socal area is blessed with the ideal climate pure and simple. How many 20 lbers have come from northern Cali, were the growing season isn't as nice and trout is plentiful?
Many a San Diego articles was written in the mid 80's about the commorants and how the fishermen was getting left out standing on the bank, the study showed the commorants can wipe a trout load out in hours.
fourbizz reply :
Freaking commorants. One of the nastiest animals on the planet. You are right, they can consume a ton of fish. I have seen them so full that they couldnt take off.
Mattlures reply :
Yeah I have lived in San Diego all my life and have never heard of a trout stamp so maybe thats a Nor Cal thing? Matt Fly you are correct. Its a combination of things that produces giant bass and there are several So Cal lakes that have the potential. One over looked thing is the deep clear water. If it does get hot they can just move deeper where they are perfectly comfortable and they do just that. Plus clear water gives the fish better vision to see flaws in lures and presentations plus they can see a boat form a long distance away. this makes them harder to catch which in turn makes them live longer. Eating high protein trout definatley helps but its just one factor.
And I think the fish and game should open season on many nuisance animale like comourants, sea guls and especialy sea lions.
South FLA reply :
To clear things up I think iGFA should have an "open class" world record and limited class.
Open class would consist of any fish caught outside there native habitat or a fish that was purposely given a genetic or environmental advantage.
Limited class would consist of fish caught in there natural habitat without any direct or indirect help from human intervention.
California, Japan, and Texas have a great advantages due to a combination of forage base, water temp, and genetic improvement measures.
Its like using Steroids in the Olympics, yes the runners who used them won the medal or broke the time record, but and this is one big but...............it doesn't count "officially"
Let the Flames begin!!!
CAdeltaLipRipper reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteKind of makes it not the world record then....its not a "certified" world record. It still shows you how big bass can get and its bigger than any other one caught. Just because it didnt meet the standards to be the official record (just cause it was fowl hooked) does not take 5 pounds off of the fish. Its still 25 pounds. oh and by the way when i said the 22 of 25 biggest have come from california i wasnt trying to brag for california i was just saying 24 of the 25 biggest bass have come from the US while japan is the only other country on there that has a fish in the top.
Correction, they have THE fish ON TOP.
No other fish matter at this point, IMO, only the next fish that is bigger.
Dottie was a great looking fish, but it's still not the record. Argue until you are blue in the face, doesn't matter to me.
There is a reason Mike Long, Mattlures, WRB and other Cali bass guys don't "officially" report their big catches:
1. They don't want people knowing where the fish are being caught.
2. If it's not "The One" then who really cares if it's certified or not?
25 is still bigger than 22,foul hooked or not.
CAdeltaLipRipper reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteHow is feeding baitfish to Japanese bass any different than feeding trout smolts to California bass?Not what i was saying. I was saying he was training the fish to come to him for yum yums,not because of what he was feeding them
And you don't think the bass know where the trout wagon is dropping them off at? Between this point, and some others, you are in over your head. Probably better to listen. Someone much smarter than most of us might comment.
Cali bass fisherman dont just like look for trout trucks and gun it over there and start catching hogs you know. The size of the lakes around here are pretty gigantic,so i doubt all the big bass are in an area and they all hear the trout truck and rush into the area. i dont think ive ever heard of someone spotting a trout truck and just waiting for it to dump and start fishing big swimbaits and catching the big bass feeding on the trout
Scorcher214 reply :
So, i say Dottie, is the biggest bass ever caught on record. George Perry and Manabu Kurita hold the title for biggest bass caught by actually outsmarting it.
CKFishin reply :
I wanna go fishing with MattLures lol
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