ned rig weight 2024
cjam93 reply :
Hey guys I want to get into throwing the Ned rig. What would a good starting weight be to get going with this technique? I mostly large mouth fish but once ot twice a year I get to go for smallies. 20ft is pretty much the deepest I ever fish. I read a lot of people using 1/5 online. Of course if the wind is up ill need heavier, but if we say on a very low wind day what weight would you pick for 10-20ft?
DHP reply :
I’ve had good results with the 1/10
bayvalle reply :
The lightest weight you can use under the conditions you are fishing
cjam93 reply :
Ok thanks guys! Do you by chance have any experience with this rod? I was thinking about picking it up for the technique as my other spinning is not light enough. What length do you like for this? This is 6'10 and I wasnt sure if I should get a longer one or this would work?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071JTZN1R?th=1&psc=1&camp=1789&creative=9325&_encoding=UTF8&tag=jgweiss2005-20
Scott F reply :
I’d never go as heavy as 1/5th. 1/10th is the heaviest I use, 1/16th the lightest. The idea is to have as slow a fall as you can. The buoyant Elaztech plastics, also help slow the fall. None of this is required, but it’s the way I do it.
The Bassman reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 7:41 AM, cjam93 said:Ok thanks guys! Do you by chance have any experience with this rod? I was thinking about picking it up for the technique as my other spinning is not light enough. What length do you like for this? This is 6'10 and I wasnt sure if I should get a longer one or this would work?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071JTZN1R?th=1&psc=1&camp=1789&creative=9325&_encoding=UTF8&tag=jgweiss2005-20
I've been looking that brand over for a while. (Really don't need more rods but the temptation is always there). They look really good. I believe that's the same reel seat that's on top of the line St. Croix. I personally need to handle rods before I buy them but for the price it may be worth the gamble.
Jig Man reply :
I mostly use 1/16 and 3/32. Once in a while I use 1/8 because it is easier to throw on a bait caster.
EGbassing reply :
I always use a 1/16.
As for the rod, the link you posted would work fine, but you could probably get a much better one for the money if you went with a brand like Lew's, St Croix, KastKing, etc. I avoid generic brand amazon rods because I definitely don't think they're as good as a Lew's rod or something. My ned rig rod is a ML Dobyns Fury and it's a great rod. It's a little more than the one you posted, but if you're willing to spend an extra $30 or so, I would definitely recommend it.
Edit: Now that I look at it more, it looks like Cadence is actually a fishing company; I'd never heard of them before. Anyway, I'd say if you like that rod then buy it. It looks like pretty good quality.
Bluebasser86 reply :
1/16oz 95% of the time. Even used it catching them in nearly 40' at Beaver Lake once. Took almost a whole minute to reach the fish but it worked. It's a no feel presentation, so having a heavy enough weight to feel it isn't important. The light weight is a big part of irresistible movements of the bait.
KDW96 reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 9:17 AM, Bluebasser86 said:1/16oz 95% of the time. Even used it catching them in nearly 40' at Beaver Lake once. Took almost a whole minute to reach the fish but it worked. It's a no feel presentation, so having a heavy enough weight to feel it isn't important. The light weight is a big part of irresistible movements of the bait.
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MN Fisher reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 7:41 AM, cjam93 said:Ok thanks guys! Do you by chance have any experience with this rod?
I don't know the rod itself, but pretty much any good ML/F or ML/XF is good for finesse fishing.
I use nothing but 1/10oz with my Ned-rigs. Haven't had a reason to try different weights.
punch reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 7:42 AM, Scott F said:I’d never go as heavy as 1/5th. 1/10th is the heaviest I use, 1/16th the lightest. The idea is to have as slow a fall as you can. The buoyant Elaztech plastics, also help slow the fall. None of this is required, but it’s the way I do it.
Ya'll must not fish rocky/sandy lakes for smallies!
I'm all about the heavy ned heads. I use 1/5, 3/16, 1/6 and even 1/4. I will agree 1/10 is probably the best 'all around' size for largemouth around grass, but if you fish smallies on hard bottom don't be afraid to throw the heavier ned heads. I even have some custom made in heavier weights and 2/0 owner hooks so I can fish smallies/walleye in 15-30 feet.
I think most ned fisherman usually go pretty light, but I want that ned to get on the bottom as fast as possible and I want to feel every little little thing that I can. I also like fishing the ned in tournaments and if it's a windy day, you need that heavier weight to maintain the feel of the bottom in the waves.
My point is.. don't be afraid to toss the heavier heads on hard bottom. You might enjoy it better, especially if you have very sensitive spinning rods.
A few guides I know on Mille Lacs (world class smallie lake in MN) won't throw a Ned head lighter than 3/16. Even shallow.
Smallies tend to lightly pick up a ned rig and swim off with it, and you USUALLY only detect a bite when you "lose contact" with the bottom. That's why heavier heads w/ sensitive rods is great because when you drag the ned... and you're not feeling that contact for a second... you set the hook.
I always toss a ned on a 7' to 7'3 medium spinning rod w/ 10lb braid to 8lb floro leader. A lot of pro's, like Mark Daniels Jr (zman pro) will toss ned rigs on a 7' MH spinning rod.
Scott F reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 10:09 AM, punch said:Ya'll must not fish rocky/sandy lakes for smallies!
I'm all about the heavy ned heads. I use 1/5, 3/16, 1/6 and even 1/4. I will agree 1/10 is probably the best 'all around' size for largemouth around grass, but if you fish smallies on hard bottom don't be afraid to throw the heavier ned heads. I even have some custom made in heavier weights and 2/0 owner hooks so I can fish smallies/walleye in 15-30 feet.
I think most ned fisherman usually go pretty light, but I want that ned to get on the bottom as fast as possible and I want to feel every little little thing that I can. I also like fishing the ned in tournaments and if it's a windy day, you need that heavier weight to maintain the feel of the bottom in the waves.
My point is.. don't be afraid to toss the heavier heads on hard bottom. You might enjoy it better, especially if you have very sensitive spinning rods.
A few guides I know on Mille Lacs (world class smallie lake in MN) won't throw a Ned head lighter than 3/16. Even shallow.
I only fish clear, rocky, lakes and rivers. From my, reading, and experience, just like with Senkos, the slow fall is one of the triggering features of the Ned rig. I don’t let the bait drag on the bottom. Just like with a Senko, there are a lot of ways you can fish Ned rig style baits. If you catch fish with your approach, great! I catch em’ with light heads.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 10:09 AM, punch said:Ya'll must not fish rocky/sandy lakes for smallies!
I'm all about the heavy ned heads. I use 1/5, 3/16, 1/6 and even 1/4. I will agree 1/10 is probably the best 'all around' size for largemouth around grass, but if you fish smallies on hard bottom don't be afraid to throw the heavier ned heads. I even have some custom made in heavier weights and 2/0 owner hooks so I can fish smallies/walleye in 15-30 feet.
I think most ned fisherman usually go pretty light, but I want that ned to get on the bottom as fast as possible and I want to feel every little little thing that I can. I also like fishing the ned in tournaments and if it's a windy day, you need that heavier weight to maintain the feel of the bottom in the waves.
My point is.. don't be afraid to toss the heavier heads on hard bottom. You might enjoy it better, especially if you have very sensitive spinning rods.
A few guides I know on Mille Lacs (world class smallie lake in MN) won't throw a Ned head lighter than 3/16. Even shallow.
All the smallie lakes I fish are rock/sand. If you're trying to feel your Ned rig, you're doing it wrong. Don't believe me? Look at the rods and reels Ned himself uses, Shakespeare rods from Walmart and he often uses 1/20oz heads even in our windy weather. Fishing a 1/16oz head in a 20mph crosswind is kind of like fly fishing for trout in a stream. My bait rarely contacts the bottom, if the line begins to swin tight it's because a fish has taken the bait.
punch reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 10:20 AM, Scott F said:I only fish clear, rocky, lakes and rivers. From my, reading, and experience, just like with Senkos, the slow fall is one of the triggering features of the Ned rig. I don’t let the bait drag on the bottom. Just like with a Senko, there are a lot of ways you can fish Ned rig style baits. If you catch fish with your approach, great! I catch em’ with light heads.
Yeah, there's different ways to fish them.. that's for sure. I keep all the different size heads, but over the years I just find myself gravitating to the heavier heads if the bottom is hard. I'll go 1/10 or lighter but usually only when i'm fishing them in-or-around grass for largies.
I'm just trying to make an argument for trying out heavier ned gear in deeper water for smallies.
tander reply :
All of my jigs for the Ned Rig is 1/16, that's all I throw and I fish it a lot. I will admit most of the time I am in water less than 10ft. As far as the rod, I know a lot of people use a use a M/L but I use a med., just what works for me.
gimruis reply :
Don't forget to lighten up that drag on those neds. I lost some big fish because I bent the light wire hooks a couple times. Granted, a couple of those fish may have been a muskie. I've got some of the nedlockz now and you can use a heavier setup with a more substantial hook set because the hook is reinforced.
I don't have great luck with the ned in weedy habitat. It tends to get hung up too much. I know they make one with a weed guard but I haven't tried it so maybe someone else can chime in on whether they are effective in the vegetation.
punch reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 10:47 AM, gimruis said:Don't forget to lighten up that drag on those neds. I lost some big fish because I bent the light wire hooks a couple times. Granted, a couple of those fish may have been a muskie. I've got some of the nedlockz now and you can use a heavier setup with a more substantial hook set because the hook is reinforced.
I don't have great luck with the ned in weedy habitat. It tends to get hung up too much. I know they make one with a weed guard but I haven't tried it so maybe someone else can chime in on whether they are effective in the vegetation.
Yeah the regular shroomz heads are trash. The hooks either break or the plastic keeper breaks. Step up to the nedlockz or go custom made and pick the hooks you want.
MN Fisher reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 10:47 AM, gimruis said:Don't forget to lighten up that drag on those neds.
Can't emphasize this enough. The lighter weights of Ned-jigs have light-wire hooks. Keep that drag as light as you can while still being able to reel in the fish.
snake95 reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 10:21 AM, Bluebasser86 said:All the smallie lakes I fish are rock/sand. If you're trying to feel your Ned rig, you're doing it wrong. Don't believe me? Look at the rods and reels Ned himself uses, Shakespeare rods from Walmart and he often uses 1/20oz heads even in our windy weather. Fishing a 1/16oz head in a 20mph crosswind is kind of like fly fishing for trout in a stream. My bait rarely contacts the bottom, if the line begins to swin tight it's because a fish has taken the bait.
I learned to fish the Ned rig by reading posts by @Team9nine and Bluebasser back in 2016. I followed all their advice, and have them to thank for experiencing several of the best bass fishing days of my life. They got me to go to the source and read Ned's actual articles. Now my kids and I are out there with our 1/16 oz heads and ML Abu rods from the clearance rack at Walmart putting a serious hurting on largemouth in Georgia and smallies in Ontario.
punch reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 10:21 AM, Bluebasser86 said:All the smallie lakes I fish are rock/sand. If you're trying to feel your Ned rig, you're doing it wrong. Don't believe me? Look at the rods and reels Ned himself uses, Shakespeare rods from Walmart and he often uses 1/20oz heads even in our windy weather. Fishing a 1/16oz head in a 20mph crosswind is kind of like fly fishing for trout in a stream. My bait rarely contacts the bottom, if the line begins to swin tight it's because a fish has taken the bait.
Sorry I don't believe you haha. Ned himself says a way he fishes it is to drag and shake it ok the bottom. Infact most of the techniques he talks about involve bottom contact. Yes he uses light heads, but that doesn't mean it's the only way to fish it. I've have a lot of success dragging and deadsticking a Ned on the bottom for smallies (and walleyes). I won a tournament this year dragging a 1/5oz Ned over a rock pile very slowly. I don't see why feeling the bottom is a bad thing? Guess it's just an angler preference. I doubt the fish care that much.
cjam93 reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 7:54 AM, The Bassman said:I've been looking that brand over for a while. (Really don't need more rods but the temptation is always there). They look really good. I believe that's the same reel seat that's on top of the line St. Croix. I personally need to handle rods before I buy them but for the price it may be worth the gamble.
I will say that my dad has the medium spinning rod from this brand and it is very nice. I just have not handled the ml and i wasnt sure if it was the right feel for this technique. I am leaning towards it though
Thanks for all the responses guys! I appreciate it
Heartland reply :
1/16th and 3/32, depth and wind dependent. I don't mind if it ticks a rock or something once in a while, but I fish very light FC leaders in waters that are heavily infested with zebra muscle and don't want it touching anything more than necessary.
smalljaw67 reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 1:31 PM, punch said:Sorry I don't believe you haha. Ned himself says a way he fishes it is to drag and shake it ok the bottom. Infact most of the techniques he talks about involve bottom contact. Yes he uses light heads, but that doesn't mean it's the only way to fish it. I've have a lot of success dragging and deadsticking a Ned on the bottom for smallies (and walleyes). I won a tournament this year dragging a 1/5oz Ned over a rock pile very slowly. I don't see why feeling the bottom is a bad thing? Guess it's just an angler preference. I doubt the fish care that much.
Feeling the bottom with heavier heads isn't a bad thing at all nor is fishing the rig in cover. The issue is you aren't fishing a Ned rig, you are fishing a shaky head or jig worm and there is a big difference. Bluebasser86 is correct, it is a "no feel" presentation and while some of the standard retrieves for the rig require you make bottom contact, it is just barely on the bottom with a light weight, not digging or hugging the bottom. I know a lot of guys like weed guards but if you need a weed guard you are fishing the rig in areas where other techniques will work. I had some correspondence with Ned through email and he summed it up perfectly, if the fish is positioned in, or close to cover, a T-rigged worm or the heavier jig worms and even crankbaits will probably work. The reason for the rig is because of the waters the originators of the rig fish, they are often trying to coax bass, that are cruising in open water or suspended and not relating to anything, to bite and a jig worm is too heavy and moves to fast and a shaky head is too large to get these fish to bite. So using heavier heads to maintain contact with the bottom isn't wrong, it is just a different technique, you are fishing a jig worm and calling it a Ned rig.
bayvalle reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 7:41 AM, cjam93 said:Ok thanks guys! Do you by chance have any experience with this rod? I was thinking about picking it up for the technique as my other spinning is not light enough. What length do you like for this? This is 6'10 and I wasnt sure if I should get a longer one or this would work?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071JTZN1R?th=1&psc=1&camp=1789&creative=9325&_encoding=UTF8&tag=jgweiss2005-20
If you are going to buy that rod on Amazon you should download WikiBuy. It will save you $7.
EGbassing reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 10:52 AM, punch said:Yeah the regular shroomz heads are trash. The hooks either break or the plastic keeper breaks. Step up to the nedlockz or go custom made and pick the hooks you want.
I used them for months and caught a lot of good sized bass in cover on them. Never had one bend or break at all.
punch reply :
On 2/9/2019 at 7:37 PM, smalljaw67 said:
Feeling the bottom with heavier heads isn't a bad thing at all nor is fishing the rig in cover. The issue is you aren't fishing a Ned rig, you are fishing a shaky head or jig worm and there is a big difference. Bluebasser86 is correct, it is a "no feel" presentation and while some of the standard retrieves for the rig require you make bottom contact, it is just barely on the bottom with a light weight, not digging or hugging the bottom. I know a lot of guys like weed guards but if you need a weed guard you are fishing the rig in areas where other techniques will work. I had some correspondence with Ned through email and he summed it up perfectly, if the fish is positioned in, or close to cover, a T-rigged worm or the heavier jig worms and even crankbaits will probably work. The reason for the rig is because of the waters the originators of the rig fish, they are often trying to coax bass, that are cruising in open water or suspended and not relating to anything, to bite and a jig worm is too heavy and moves to fast and a shaky head is too large to get these fish to bite. So using heavier heads to maintain contact with the bottom isn't wrong, it is just a different technique, you are fishing a jig worm and calling it a Ned rig.
These are all fair points. I am a shakey head guy so that's probably why I feel more comfortable/confident fishing heavier Ned heads and TRDs.
ChrisD46 reply :
*Please consider getting your Ned Rig jig heads from Siebert Outdoors (Mike is a sponsor) : The Morel jig head (Siebert's Ned mushroom jig head ) comes in colors you can't get any where else plus he uses quality name brand hooks in what I consider the correct sizes (#1/0 , #1 and #2) along with a quality powder coated jig head ... Here is a breakdown on the three (3) Morel Jig Heads Siebert Outdoors offers :
*Morel XL : Uses a Owner 5313 Size #1/0 Hook ; ideal for the Big TRD or the Roboworm Ned Worm 4".
*Morel : Uses a Owner 5313 Size #1 Hook ; ideal for the standard TRD or the Roboworm Ned Worm 3"
*Morel Mini : Uses a Owner 5318 Size #2 Hook ; ideal for the standard TRD or the Roboworm Ned Worm 3"
*Beech : Uses a Eagle Claw "Lil' Nasty #2 hook : ideal for the standard TRD or the Roboworm Ned Worm 3"
Comments / Notes :
-There are a variety of weights offered in the Morel & Beech - I primarily use the 1/16th oz. and 3/32nd oz. weights.
-The standard Morel offers a more robust #1 size hook where you need to put more pressure on a bass to turn it fast.
- The "Morel Mini" with the standard Owner #2 size hook in 1/16th oz. is a great starting point .
- Don't over look the "Beech" series with the "Lil' Nasty" #2 hook , 1/16th oz. preferred by many Mid - West Ned guys .
- You may need to contact Mike regarding the "Beech" series availability (per order basis) ; well worth it though !
- Black & Green Pumpkin are great starting colors for the Morel & Beech jig heads.
- After the spawn , try your favorite Morel jig head size in red color ... Shin Fukae (Bass Elite Tour) endorses highly .
- All Morel jig heads work with all TRD baits (stick bait , craws , shads , leeches , etc.)
- A dot of super glue gel on the back of the jig head will secure your soft plastic all day long (or until you lose it) .
Lastly , attention to detail with consistent powder coated jig heads with even paint coverage and no paint in the hook eyes for all the Morel and Beech jig heads I have ever ordered from Siebert Outdoors ... Great value jig head from a company that focuses on it's customers - give the Morel & Beech Ned Rig jig heads a try , I'm sure your will be just as pleased as I have been !
Steve S reply :
Have found a great jig for Ned rigging called the Berkley Half Head Jig. The 1/16 comes in packs of 8 and can be found on sportsman’s warehouse for only $3.19 where other places charge $3.99. These are the best value/amazing quality I have been able to find for a Ned jig. The bait keeper is mediocre but I always use a dot of super glue on any Ned rig to keep the plastic on always. The hook feels very strong and have never lost a fish to a bent out hook (I fish using a Med light with 15lb braid to 8lb mono leader). Hope this helps anyone looking for hooks to try
Jermination reply :
Ah i don't know how i missed out on this post. Always have a ned on my front deck, pretty much all i throw are the 1/5 oz nedlockz. Given the majority of the time I am fishing the ned in 20-30' with some wind and you'll never find bottom. I agree with @punch on his style, it is by far the most effective way in my local waters. Now if you are around some brush or shallow water, i think downsizing to the 1/10th is fair to help reduce hang ups. If you are worried about losing Neds you should consider throwing something else, it's just part of the game.
Finessegenics reply :
The Midwest guys know what they’re talking about. I hate to be that person but if it’s heavier than 1/10 oz it is no longer a ned rig. Doesn’t mean that using a heavy weight is wrong, there’s just a time and place for everything. If you can drag a heavier ned rig on the bottom, a tube of the same weight or a shaky head will probably work just as well. I understand the temptation of using a heavy weight, since it sticks to bottom and we can “feel” everything. Of course a heavy weight still works, I think the fact that a TRD floats straight up is what is so attractive to fish.
My favorite way of fishing a finesse TRD is by Texas rigging it with a size 1 EWG and inserting a 1/32 neko nail weight in the other end of the bait. Different fall and super finesse, a lot of my hits come when the bait is suspending, since it takes a while to sink.
Here’s a YouTube playlist of 5 different ways the ned rig can be fished. Whether you use a heavy weight or not!
Jermination reply :
On 2/26/2020 at 11:54 PM, Finessegenics said:The Midwest guys know what they’re talking about. I hate to be that person but if it’s heavier than 1/10 oz it is no longer a ned rig. Doesn’t mean that using a heavy weight is wrong, there’s just a time and place for everything. If you can drag a heavier ned rig on the bottom, a tube of the same weight or a shaky head will probably work just as well. I understand the temptation of using a heavy weight, since it sticks to bottom and we can “feel” everything. Of course a heavy weight still works, I think the fact that a TRD floats straight up is what is so attractive to fish.
My favorite way of fishing a finesse TRD is by Texas rigging it with a size 1 EWG and inserting a 1/32 neko nail weight in the other end of the bait. Different fall and super finesse, a lot of my hits come when the bait is suspending, since it takes a while to sink.
Here’s a YouTube playlist of 5 different ways the ned rig can be fished. Whether you use a heavy weight or not!
Not sure what you mean by heavier than 1/10oz is not a ned rig. A 1/5 oz sits the same on the bottom of the lake as a 1/10 oz. Sure, your fall rate is slower but like you said it's the zman elaztech that makes it stand up right. I'm usually targeting fish that are relating to the bottom, so i want to get down there to the exact spot i'm marking the fish as quickly as possible. Pitching a ned around docks targeting lingering largemouth is completely different, and i agree that you should use a lighter weight
padon reply :
you guys are talking about 2 different things.they both work.if you do a lot of research and reading on ned and his rig he does say that the true technique never uses over a 1/10 head and doesn't have alof of bottom contact. the lure hits bottom sometimes but doesn't stay there long. ned is not overly concerned with the bait standing upright on bottom, he likes the elaztech material because of its buoyancy while swimming. however it is true that a trd on a heavier head dragged on bottom will catch a lot of fish but its not true ned rig fishing as he defines it.
Lead Head reply :
What has helped me as far as ned rigs go is separating the "ned rig" from the "ned technique". If someone says they are using a "ned rig" I know they mean a small plastic on a jig head. If it is 1/10th or less I think of it as the "ned technique" and if it is heavier I think of it as more of a bottom contact presentation (whatever you choose to call it). From what I can tell from reading and watching videos the "ned technique" (as I like to think of it) is more about fall and flutter, almost suspending the bait off the bottom.
Just the way I have started thinking of it to make sense of the way people with more experience and knowledge than me separate the weights of ned rigs. Feel free to correct me if I'm looking at it all wrong.
I'll also mention that even in the muddy Arkansas river the lighter weights have been better for me.
ChrisD46 reply :
*Lots of Ned Head jigs being introduced but for me I rule out most of them because the hooks are too large .
1/16th oz. Ned head with a #2 or #4 size hook is my go to . Any larger than say a #1 size hook in a Ned head jig is starting to get too large for my set up .
Steve S reply :
On 2/26/2020 at 11:54 PM, Finessegenics said:The Midwest guys know what they’re talking about. I hate to be that person but if it’s heavier than 1/10 oz it is no longer a ned rig. Doesn’t mean that using a heavy weight is wrong, there’s just a time and place for everything. If you can drag a heavier ned rig on the bottom, a tube of the same weight or a shaky head will probably work just as well. I understand the temptation of using a heavy weight, since it sticks to bottom and we can “feel” everything. Of course a heavy weight still works, I think the fact that a TRD floats straight up is what is so attractive to fish.
My favorite way of fishing a finesse TRD is by Texas rigging it with a size 1 EWG and inserting a 1/32 neko nail weight in the other end of the bait. Different fall and super finesse, a lot of my hits come when the bait is suspending, since it takes a while to sink.
Here’s a YouTube playlist of 5 different ways the ned rig can be fished. Whether you use a heavy weight or not!
great post!! The online outdoorsman channel on YouTube is awesome. Ethan has the best Ned rig how to and technique videos I’ve been able to find
AdamT reply :
I’ve been using the Owner block heads in 1/16 and sometimes 1/8oz.
Hawghead reply :
I fish the Ned a lot at Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri, lot of chunk rock on points...I find that if I go too heavy the ned rig heads do an amazing job of finding their way into tight places and wedge themselves in amongst rock and boulders and I spend a lot of time freeing them, so as others say I go as light as I can. I tend to fish the ned rig really slowly which exacerbates the issue.
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