Worlds most realistic frog bait? 2024
Bassin_Fin@tic reply :
These things are sick sick sick! Permission granted for drooling. Click on "hatchery" and also click on "frogs for sale" and check out the colors. There is also a video sample section near the bottom.
http://www.floridakayakfishing.com/index.html
Here is one that I like that shows the bait underwater:
Infidel. reply :
I have to say that is one cool looking frog.
Paul Roberts reply :
Yeah, it's cool looking. Reminds me of the original Bill Plumber's "Bass Frog" -the old firm foam one with the kinked legs. I loved that lure. None of the re-designs were close.
I've always wondered about "frog" baits though. Supposedly, and I've read this through several sources, that bull frogs and leopard frogs (the one this lure is modeled after) contain toxins in their skin that repulse fish predators.
So, I've wondered what "frog" bites are all about. I have some ideas, but will spare you my long winded thoughts.
Suffice it to say, "frog" baits catch fish, but I'm not convinced it's for the reasons we might think. This probably spills into other areas -about just what lures of all types are actually "representing".
BTW: And not to be a party pooper, but that bass in the vid is not "way over 10lbs". Way under is more like it.
Bassin_Fin@tic reply :
Yeah I seen that video too.Hilarious. Any idiot can tell just by the shear size of the mouth that it is not even a ballpark 10lber. ;D
Paul Roberts reply :
Excitement of the moment I guess. I can understand that -for a quarter pound or so. But 3 or 4?
MSPbass reply :
They look killer! I'll pick up a couple, but just in the Clone Series.
grimlin reply :
QuoteI've always wondered about "frog" baits though. Supposedly, and I've read this through several sources, that bull frogs and leopard frogs (the one this lure is modeled after) contain toxins in their skin that repulse fish predators.So, I've wondered what "frog" bites are all about. I have some ideas, but will spare you my long winded thoughts.
Bass are predators,they rely on instincts.If something looks good enough and moves bass will attack and eat it.Instincts will get them in trouble rather it'd be poison or a hook.Otherwise i see no explanation of why a bass would attack it.
It's the same reason why Bill Dance's using that Dancing eel lure will induce bites.There's a time and place for every lure to work.
Am i close to right?
I've heard of people cutting a Zoom horny toad in half and using the back legs portion with a jig. I don't like using frogs,so i do it this way. 
Big Bait Fishing reply :
i don't know where people got the notion that bass don't eat frogs , i have caught many that i have seen frog legs barely sticking out of their throat/stomach .. so i know they eat them , not just attack them ....
Big Bait Fishing reply :
BTW , thats a sick looking frog , a little expensive , but looks very good . i LOVE throwing frogs and have got my biggest fish on them and just might have to get some , thanks for sharing them !!!
J Francho reply :
QuoteI've always wondered about "frog" baits though. Supposedly, and I've read this through several sources, that bull frogs and leopard frogs (the one this lure is modeled after) contain toxins in their skin that repulse fish predators.
I can tell you as fact that they eat them. Our next door neighbors on Port Bay, had a pond with three big largemouth in it. As kids, we would catch leopard frogs, and feed the bass. They would actually follow us around the edge, waiting for us to chuck them in. They did not spit them out.
daviscw reply :
QuoteYeah I seen that video too.Hilarious. Any idiot can tell just by the shear size of the mouth that it is not even a ballpark 10lber. ;D
That whole website is sketchy... Check out these photoshop skills!
Paul Roberts reply :
QuoteQuoteI've always wondered about "frog" baits though. Supposedly, and I've read this through several sources, that bull frogs and leopard frogs (the one this lure is modeled after) contain toxins in their skin that repulse fish predators.So, I've wondered what "frog" bites are all about. I have some ideas, but will spare you my long winded thoughts.
Bass are predators,they rely on instincts.If something looks good enough and moves bass will attack and eat it.Instincts will get them in trouble rather it'd be poison or a hook.Otherwise i see no explanation of why a bass would attack it.
It's the same reason why Bill Dance's using that Dancing eel lure will induce bites.There's a time and place for every lure to work.
Am i close to right?
I've heard of people cutting a Zoom horny toad in half and using the back legs portion with a jig. I don't like using frogs,so i do it this way.
Dunno what's right really but here are my present thoughts...
Most of the slop fishing I've done is in bluegill waters. Some of the best slop fishing has been associated with bluegill activity. I've done well with all kinds of slop lures, not all of them topwater.
I did find that there were times that the bass would blow up on baits and miss 'em. Some days it was REALLY frustrating, and I never solved it. The best I could do was switch to a jig and hit pockets or punch.
But I think Micro recently offered a really good explanation. (If it's not Micro I apologize to whoever threw this out there). Those blow ups, I concur, are very likely both misses and bass attacking bluegills attracted and distracted by my lure. I think this is a really promising answer.
This doesn't answer whether bass eat frogs very often -or more than once lol ! But I really don't know. I've never seen frog parts in a bass as pagersumky has. I did find one in the stomach of a big brown trout once though. I've always thought it was odd that bullfrog tadpoles can be so common in bass ponds, lying all over the place. So, this one remains open in my mind. Maybe others will pipe in and say they've often seen bass eat frogs.
But, my point is that what's happening just below the surface may account for many of the "frog" hits we see, and in my waters it seems to be related more to bluegills than frogs.
Just my ever-evolving thoughts on the subject.
Oh...btw, I found the reference to frogs and bass in Keith Jones' Knowing Bass, where he says that some frogs including bull and leopard contain toxins that repulse predatory fish.
Paul Roberts reply :
QuoteQuoteYeah I seen that video too.Hilarious. Any idiot can tell just by the shear size of the mouth that it is not even a ballpark 10lber. ;DThat whole website is sketchy... Check out these photoshop skills!
OMG..Did that come from that site? That's really low.
Ya know, this isn't the thread for pet peeves, but I'm growing mighty sick of the photos of bass stuck out into a wide lens. Makes the catcher look small, in more ways than one.
At the tackle shop I worked at we joked about the photos of all the famous fishers holding big bass. We dubbed 'em, Al "Big Hands" Lindner, and Bill "Popeye" Dance, ... .
It's easy to distort fish in photos, even unintentionally. But seeing a 2lb bass like the photo above trying to represent something else is pure BS. I also see this in the mags, like IF, and granted there are many nice fish, ...but misrepresented. No one needs to be ashamed of a 4lb bass, and it doesn't need to look like a 7. And a 7 doesn't need to look like a 10. Unless one has size issues. I think the mags set a standard that is unfortunate.
OK...back to Frogs....
J Francho reply :
QuoteBut I think Micro recently offered a really good explanation. (If it's not Micro I apologize to whoever threw this out there). Those blow ups, I concur, are very likely both misses and bass attacking bluegills attracted and distracted by my lure. I think this is a really promising answer.
I've seen this first hand as well at "lunchtime pond." I think its important to note that while I have had HUGE success with frogs this year, I don't fish them the way most others do. I don't dead stick the thing, with a twitch here and a twitch there, I use a super fast jerk bait retrieve. The only reason I use a frog, is due to the cover. Bass eat them for the same reason they eat a spook bait: something edible and catchable is nearby.
I've written before about my correlation between dragon/damsel fly activity and toad style baits as well. I really think we're imitating a bug, not a frog. But, I have seen fish eat frogs. I've even seen frogs eat frogs, LOL. Perhaps hunger overrides flavor?
Oh, and Paul, this one's for you 
Not to go too off topic (crap, Paul and I are posting in the same thread ), but unless the photo is showing the fish clearly with some reference and/or measuring device, it serves no purpose to prove anything about the size of the fish. Therefore, I like to make a picture that captures the excitement and pride of the angler, in their moment of glory. In this way, it more an environmental portrait, not a document of the catch.
Mattlures reply :
Paul I have found that bass do not like bullfrog tad poles but will readily eat small bullfrogs. When I stocked a pond for a guy I had to put adult frogs in because the bass would eat any small ones. I could put tadpoles in and they would grow to small frogs and then get eaten. My guess is the tadpoles have some kind of toxins and that changes as they chang into frogs. This of course is a guess. I have kept bass in aqauriums where they would eat anything I threw in. If I put a tatpole in they would eat it instantly but they would always spit them up and then they wouldnt eat the tadpoles any more. If I put a baby bull frog in they would eat it and keep it down.
Also I have never seen a bass keep a toad down.
HMMM this has me thinking about scent. Bass must be able to smell because I have used small real frogs for bait with success but I have never goten bit on a real toad. Even at night. so I must coclude that the bass could smell the stink of a toad.
as for that bait, that guy can paint. those are beautiful frogs. I dont like the rigging with the big hook showing in front of the bait. I would like a more stealthy rigging but the looks and action of that frog are impresive. They aint cheap either.
The video was cool, I think he was just excited or maybe he knew it was smaller and he was being a salesman.
Bassin_Fin@tic reply :
I agree about the tadpole Matt. Swarms of small black tadpoles are perfect fare for bluegills and panfish but I have never seen them eat them either.
Paul Roberts reply :
John...what can I say... A LOT! ;D
In my neck of the woods, the bass are on the 'gills that are on the damsels. What bass look for is a distracted bluegill. Fully aware 'gills are hard to catch and bass are not fools when it comes to identifying prey. the fools already starved to death. People so often talk about "wounded" prey, but that's not most of what bass identify as vulnerable prey day in and day out.
As to that photo...that one isn't trying to BS anyone. And I don't mind some of those big hands shots... anyway...'nuff said here.
Russ, that's really plausible. I don't know the details either but what you've seen, esp in your aquarium is darned interesting. As to scent, I dunno, plausible too. I'm not ready to go there. It might give me one of Muddy's headaches. You've got my attention on this topic though, from this and that previous thread.
Hey, good stuff all.
Shimmer reply :
Looks like some kind of chinese dragon with pinball flippers
CHEVYRIDAZ reply :
Those things have been around for a while! I remember always seeing the videos on YouTube. I wouldn't buy one because of the hook placement!
KYntucky Warmouth reply :
Looks like a frog version of the banjo minnow to me
Shimmer reply :
Just looked at the website...wow. Anybody who photoshops just about every image on their website aren't the kind of people you want to be dealing with imo. I bet they have great customer support, lawl.
MSPbass reply :
It said somewhere, in all of that web site, that he invented the Banjo Minnow. The frog looks really interesting though...said a guy who's been called a sucker more than once.
Paul Roberts reply :
QuoteIt said somewhere, in all of that web site, that he invented the Banjo Minnow. The frog looks really interesting though...said a guy who's been called a sucker more than once.
LOL No shame there. Being a sucker seems to be part of the game. Are we really after more fish or more lures. Sometimes it's hard to tell.
RoLo reply :
Some years back, I had a house built on a 10-acre tract in Georgia, and paid the bulldozer-operator
to scoop out a small backyard pond. The maximum depth was only 3 feet so I could see nearly everything
that went on in that pond. I stocked it with bass I caught in local waters, and intentionally withheld food
so the residents did not depend on me, but fed on the natural smorgasbord offered by the pond.
Although supplementary food wasn't necessary, my wife and I would occasionally feed the bass
for our own selfish enjoyment, and the bass busted everything and anything we tossed into the pond.
To the angler the difference between a frog and a toad is the difference between hollow-plastic and solid-plastic.
To bass however, the difference is far more significant than that. Every species of frog we tossed into the pond
was seized and eaten, but toads were another story. Every toad we tossed into the pond was promptly engulfed,
but would invariably be regurgitated a short time later. Depending on the toad's condition, it would either
fight its way toward shore or just float unmolested. A couple years later I read that the encasing membrane of toads
contains a toxin, and I have every reason to embrace that statement.
Roger
Tin reply :
QuoteThose things have been around for a while! I remember always seeing the videos on YouTube. I wouldn't buy one because of the hook placement!
You remind me a lot of Dink Whisperer... ;D You Florida guys all love you frogs and exclamation marks.
Big Tom reply :
QuoteLooks like a frog version of the banjo minnow to me
That is what I thought too. Its how the bait is rigged I guess.
Bassin_Fin@tic reply :
QuoteQuoteThose things have been around for a while! I remember always seeing the videos on YouTube. I wouldn't buy one because of the hook placement!You remind me a lot of Dink Whisperer... ;D You Florida guys all love you frogs and exclamation marks.
x2 ;D
But let me ask you this: Are we fishing for bluegills that nibble on their prey? How does the hook placement matter?Have you ever fished a live frog or seen anyone do it? You sure can't texas rig a live frog,it is hooked in the lips. I've caught bass on 10 inch straight tail worms nose hooked on a dropshot. Just trying to make a point,to each his own,thats why we're people I guess.
StuntDouble reply :
QuoteLooks like a frog version of the banjo minnow to me
" "Co-inventor" of the famous BANJO MINNOW ! T.V. Fishing Lure "
Thats why
CHEVYRIDAZ reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteThose things have been around for a while! I remember always seeing the videos on YouTube. I wouldn't buy one because of the hook placement!You remind me a lot of Dink Whisperer... ;D You Florida guys all love you frogs and exclamation marks.
x2 ;D
But let me ask you this: Are we fishing for bluegills that nibble on their prey? How does the hook placement matter?Have you ever fished a live frog or seen anyone do it? You sure can't texas rig a live frog,it is hooked in the lips. I've caught bass on 10 inch straight tail worms nose hooked on a dropshot. Just trying to make a point,to each his own,thats why we're people I guess.
What, do you think bass always inhale their prey? Hook ups can be hard enough with hollow frogs because they don't always take it all in. Now imagine the hook in the lip section! What you have caught on drop shot worms is completely irrelevant when comparing to a surface lure!
Bassin_Fin@tic reply :
It is relevant in the way that bass inhale their prey. Fish are missed on baits such as hollow body frogs because one must drive the hook(s) out of the plastic and through the fishs jaw.Plastic can potetntially ball up and get in the way especially on a short strike.How many times on a frog miss do you pull up a deformed bait that has been mangled with the hooks sticking every which way through it.
I think it is pretty slick where the hook is placed on that bait and the only problem I could forsee is fishing it through sticky pond scum
Tin reply :
When feeding out of reaction (like a frog going over their head or by them), yes they do usually inhale unless the bait is too big. Which is usually 9 out 10 times. The other times when they are swatting it or if they are just mouthing it you are better off fishing something else like a fluke type bait or a jig to get the "hook-up" strikes you need.
RoLo reply :
QuoteWhat, do you think bass always inhale their prey? Hook ups can be hard enough with hollow frogs because they don't always take it all in.
Any bass that's interested in feeding will nearly always engulf the entire offering, and then some.
However, when bass are not actively feeding, notably during the spawning season,
they might smack the lure with a closed mouth, a time when hook-sets can be mighty elusive.
Even when the frog is engulfed by the bass, as it usually is,
the angler must set the hook with enough authority to compress the plastic body in order to expose the hooks,
and have enough leftover energy to drive the hook-point beyond the barb.
With today's braided lines this is a calkwalk, but is still very frustrating with any monofilament line, which all stretch.
Roger
Tin reply :
Thank you voice of reason.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
QuotePaul I have found that bass do not like bullfrog tad poles but will readily eat small bullfrogs. When I stocked a pond for a guy I had to put adult frogs in because the bass would eat any small ones. I could put tadpoles in and they would grow to small frogs and then get eaten. My guess is the tadpoles have some kind of toxins and that changes as they chang into frogs. This of course is a guess. I have kept bass in aqauriums where they would eat anything I threw in. If I put a tatpole in they would eat it instantly but they would always spit them up and then they wouldnt eat the tadpoles any more. If I put a baby bull frog in they would eat it and keep it down.Also I have never seen a bass keep a toad down.
HMMM this has me thinking about scent. Bass must be able to smell because I have used small real frogs for bait with success but I have never goten bit on a real toad. Even at night. so I must coclude that the bass could smell the stink of a toad.
as for that bait, that guy can paint. those are beautiful frogs. I dont like the rigging with the big hook showing in front of the bait. I would like a more stealthy rigging but the looks and action of that frog are impresive. They aint cheap either.
The video was cool, I think he was just excited or maybe he knew it was smaller and he was being a salesman.
this is directed to Matt , but on subect/topic , i was fishing at dixon lake in trout cove (lake in san diego,ca.) while fishing from the bank i kicked a ball of slop on the ground and it had 2-3 tadpoles in it . i grabbed 1 and threw it on a octopus hook and cast it out about 5' and had atleast 5 bass rush it !!! they were between a 6'' lil dink to 2-3 lbs. , i was tryin to catch one of the 2-3 lbs. when that lil tiny dink got his mouth around it too fast for me to pull it away , anyhow , i wish i had a bunch of those tadpoles !!! the bass were fighting over them . later that night i was looking up on the internet where to get some but they are too expensive !! > so anyhow , i am 110% convinced that bass love to eat frogs .... btw , that little super dink did eat that tadpole , yes swallowed it !!!!
Mattlures reply :
Maybe he would have spit it up if you woulld have given hime time and not caught him?
Maybe those particulay tapoles were different then the ones I experimentd with. Mine were bullfrog tadpoles.
And Maybe You shouldnt listen to me an get a little minnow net and catch a bunch and go whack the bass!
seriously I had small bass take the tadpoles all the time but they would always spit them up. Sometimes an hour later.
But like I said, maybe something was different.
Either way, if your getting bit you need to keep experimenting with it.
My tadpole theory is why I feel the Dances eel sucks. That lure was so ahead of its time It swam beautifuly and mimiked a tad pole perfectly but it was never a producer.
Jay_G reply :
QuotePaul I have found that bass do not like bullfrog tad poles but will readily eat small bullfrogs. When I stocked a pond for a guy I had to put adult frogs in because the bass would eat any small ones. I could put tadpoles in and they would grow to small frogs and then get eaten. My guess is the tadpoles have some kind of toxins and that changes as they chang into frogs. This of course is a guess. I have kept bass in aqauriums where they would eat anything I threw in. If I put a tatpole in they would eat it instantly but they would always spit them up and then they wouldnt eat the tadpoles any more. If I put a baby bull frog in they would eat it and keep it down.Also I have never seen a bass keep a toad down.
HMMM this has me thinking about scent. Bass must be able to smell because I have used small real frogs for bait with success but I have never goten bit on a real toad. Even at night. so I must coclude that the bass could smell the stink of a toad.
as for that bait, that guy can paint. those are beautiful frogs. I dont like the rigging with the big hook showing in front of the bait. I would like a more stealthy rigging but the looks and action of that frog are impresive. They aint cheap either.
The video was cool, I think he was just excited or maybe he knew it was smaller and he was being a salesman.
Matt, That is very odd about the bullfrog tadpoles. I buy bullfrog tadpoles once or twice a year to place in my own lake behind the house. The salesman I buy from has several ponds around the shop loaded with 4-6lb bass. The bass are very, very FAT. I inquired as to how his Indiana bass are so much bulkier than my own. He grabbed a bucket full of bullfrog tadpoles and went to the dam. It was like cattle following him. He would throw in handfulls of tadpoles and it was a feeding frenzy. Not sure if this in itself disproves what you said, but seeing was believing.
Mattlures reply :
I dont doubt your story at all. My theory of bass and bullfrog tadpoles is just that theory. I do not know why his bass ate them and mine wouldnt. I just dont know? I have seen it several time where a pond is loaded with BF tadpoles and the bass are skinny. Maybe we are talking about two different species of tadpoles? But even if we are talkning about the same thing, I have seen enough that I wont be using them for bait. However if you are seeing that the bass, especialy bigger bass are eating them then put a hook in one and catch some fish!
BassThumb reply :
LOL! Thats the Banjo Minnow of frogs.
Overpriced, over-hyped, great action, realistic look, epically poor hookset ratio.
I'm going to stick with Spros, Ragetails, and Zoom Frogs. If they don't hit one of those, they're simply not present or not eating frogs that day. Go try someting else...
Bassin_Fin@tic reply :
QuoteLOL! Thats the Banjo Minnow of frogs.Overpriced, over-hyped, great action, realistic look, epically poor hookset ratio.
I'm going to stick with Spros, Ragetails, and Zoom Frogs. If they don't hit one of those, they're simply not present or not eating frogs that day. Go try someting else...
You also don't live in Florida.
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