So I've been wanting to finally pick up a jig and don't know where to start
I basically don't know where to start, what kind of jigs do I get?
What kind of water are you fishing? Depth, structure, bottom composition etc. Football, casting or finesse is where I would start. Finesse will give you the general idea of things and works in most structure just fine.
Mostly fairly shallow residential ponds for now with limited structure, some rocks, and soft bottom with a good amount of vegetation
To be honest, I have never been entirely sure what is vs. is not a "casting jig"... I'd just start with a 3/8oz arky head -- you can swim, flip, cast, skip do whatever with it.
My suggestion is Sieberts EnRaged series jigs on sale under $3 and is site sponsor offering member discounts.
3/8 oz in this series jig would be ideal for you.
Tom
Try a finesse jig on the lighter side. 5/16 or 3/8. Finesse jig might help ya get a feel for the jig bite...maybe.
On 5/25/2017 at 5:34 AM, WRB said:My suggestion is Sieberts EnRaged series jigs on sale under $3 and is site sponsor offering member discounts.
3/8 oz in this series jig would be ideal for you.
Tom
They have like literally 40 skirt colors,what would be the most all around color? I know it depends but at least something
Jigs have become my go-to lure... I fish Siebert Outdoors 3/8oz brush jigs (with various hooks, depending on what's on sale) exclusively. They're just about as close to an all-terrain jig as you can get.
I'm sure Mike at Siebert will help you with color recommendations, if you want. Or ask here.
On 5/25/2017 at 5:49 AM, HeavyDluxe said:Jigs have become my go-to lure... I fish Siebert Outdoors 3/8oz brush jigs (with various hooks, depending on what's on sale) exclusively. They're just about as close to an all-terrain jig as you can get.
I'm sure Mike at Siebert will help you with color recommendations, if you want. Or ask here.
There are many types of jigs and about 50 different skirt colors, most of which are pretty similar. It's gonna take some thinking and narrowing down, I'm on a limited budget and I don't want to go out and spend $50 trying to figure out what jig works best for me
Let me offer this as a way to start... I buy these colors, and only these colors, every time. Every. Time.
Would colors cover pretty much most fishing situations?
Siebert offers a color called 24/7, he obviously thinks that is a everyday color. Sunfish or bluegill would also be good pond colors, all ponds have them. Trailers I suggest Rage bug or Berkley 3" Chigger craw in green pumpkin.
Tom
On 5/25/2017 at 6:06 AM, WRB said:Sunfish or bluegill would also be good pond colors, all ponds have them.
It's pretty much the main forage in ponds. And how is that a 24/7 color? It's pretty much black/blue/purple, I don't think that would work in clearer water. More natural all around color?
I think we worry way too much about color... Sure, there are times when hot-pink-and-almond-butter lures are catching while someone with lowly green pumpkin isn't. But those times are exceedingly rare.
Think of what the fish in your ponds likely eat: Sunfish, craws, maybe some shad? If you have colors that approximate some/all of those (with maybe lighter or darker variants for clear/muddy water), you should be all set. I have black-n-blue, a dark craw color, a lighter craw color (that also is 'perch-y'), and then a bluegill color. That seems to just about cover it for me.
I think someone with just black-n-blue or green pumpkin is going to do just fine, too.
There aren't any bad colors -- a black, brown, or green jig with or without one or more highlight colors (orange, chartreuse, purple, blue) will do just fine most of the time. I am partial to the Bluegill, Bream, and Green Pumpkin/purple patterns from Siebert.
I think a black and blue for dirtier ponds, bluegill, and a brownish color would pretty much cover it
On 5/25/2017 at 6:14 AM, pondbassin101 said:I think a black and blue for dirtier ponds, bluegill, and a brownish color would pretty much cover it
Bam. There you go. The Black/Brown/Amber is a great all-around brown. Or PBJ.
Bitsy bug and rage chunk... So fool proof my gf landed 4 bass with it last time we went... And I was catching them on a 1/4 oz SK bluegill swim jig with a menace trailer... Cast and reel slowly was all we were doing. And we were getting hammered .
I'm giving credit to the active fish and rage products
I fairly new to jig fishing and freshwater bass fishing in general. I grabbed a bunch of Strike King's bitsy bugs when they were a $1 each at Walmart to start. I've had the most success on the green pumpkin/brown jig.
It can get overwhelming with all the color combos, but stick to the basic colors that a few have already mentioned:
-Green Pumpkin/(Brown/Purple)
-Black/Blue
Once you have those base colors, you can experiment with different trailers to add colors. Much cheaper way to try different color combos is to buy different color plastics at about $3-$5 a bag, than to order jigs in different colors and sizes.
On 5/25/2017 at 5:53 AM, pondbassin101 said:
There are many types of jigs and about 50 different skirt colors, most of which are pretty similar. It's gonna take some thinking and narrowing down, I'm on a limited budget and I don't want to go out and spend $50 trying to figure out what jig works best for me
Use the same color jig as you do soft plastics to start then expand from there.
Allen
On 5/25/2017 at 6:10 AM, HeavyDluxe said:
I think we worry way too much about color...
I think you're correct. I've heard to always use natural colors in clear water, but I've been catching them like crazy on a yellow and purple jerkbait. I'm almost certain there's no yellow and purple fish in Indiana unless they are in an aquarium somewhere!
What type of jig head is all around? Should I get swim jigs, finnesse jigs, or football jigs?
http://www.siebertoutdoors.com/Extreme-Arky-Jig-1000.htm
Black and blue + Green Pumpkin are good starter colors.
Arky is a good all around head but you may want to look into more of his products.
I personally like the Dredge Brush series.
On 5/25/2017 at 6:07 AM, pondbassin101 said:
It's pretty much the main forage in ponds. And how is that a 24/7 color? It's pretty much black/blue/purple, I don't think that would work in clearer water. More natural all around color?
24/7 has bluegill colors and crawdad colors, it's similar to June bug a good choice for both clear and off colored water. Trailers with combinations of brown and blue, black and blue or purple with greens all work with it. It will catch bass in several different types of ponds and lakes.
Tom
On 5/25/2017 at 7:51 AM, WRB said:24/7 has bluegill colors and crawdad colors, it's similar to June bug a good choice for both clear and off colored water. Trailers with combinations of brown and blue, black and blue or purple with greens all work with it. It will catch bass in several different types of ponds and lakes.
Tom
Do 24/7, black and blue, bluegill, and craw color/brownish would have me covered on colors pretty much anywhere?
On 5/25/2017 at 5:34 AM, MIbassyaker said:To be honest, I have never been entirely sure what is vs. is not a "casting jig"... I'd just start with a 3/8oz arky head -- you can swim, flip, cast, skip do whatever with it.
This is the ticket along with three colors. Brown, black and green pumpkin. I added the last one as i love it but the gman my fishing hero only uses brown or black. Get plain skirted jigs and add the wow color and sparkle with the trailer. This is a cheap and great way to start. I love the arky because it also skips so well when you up your skill level. Swim jigs are a little different for me, I have serbert make swim jigs in ayu and a shad color to match the hatch. More color is not more fish in the boat and presentation of the three colors mentioned will catch fish or is not the correct presentation and you need to try something else.
On 5/25/2017 at 8:46 AM, Angry John said:This is the ticket along with three colors. Brown, black and green pumpkin. I added the last one as i love it but the gman my fishing hero only uses brown or black. Get plain skirted jigs and add the wow color and sparkle with the trailer. This is a cheap and great way to start. I love the arky because it also skips so well when you up your skill level. Swim jigs are a little different for me, I have serbert make swim jigs in ayu and a shad color to match the hatch. More color is not more fish in the boat and presentation of the three colors mentioned will catch fish or is not the correct presentation and you need to try something else.
So just get plain skirts and customize with trailers? Would the colors I mentioned earlier still work?
I just started jig fishing this year. I've used them before but never caught anything on them. This year I decided to stick it out and I have been throwing it every time I am out. I've been pulling in nice size bass, biggest was 5lb.
I am thinking about buying the Dredge pack in 1/2oz and 3/8oz, going to place order as soon as I can.
I recently picked up some of Siebert's jigs and really like the options he provides. I haven't had a lot of opportunities to fish them yet, but I'm very happy with the quality. I will be buying more, for sure.
That said, I agree with the above posts for grabbing something with an Arky style head because they're ideal 70% of the time and fish almost anywhere (I would argue 95% of the time in smaller ponds and lakes without large rocky structure). As for weight, 1/8-1/2 oz (and the weights in between) are ideal for most conditions that don't involve smashing through heavy vegetation.
I throw, basically, three colors and try to keep it very simple. Green variations. brown/orange variations, and blue/black. (I also like white with variations as well as bluegill variations for swim jigs, but that's a different topic) As mentioned above, you can always accent with different colors trailers, but I still tend to stay pretty similar. The exception (and reason why colors like purple, chartreuse, etc have their place) has more to do with water conditions, depth, and clarity. When fishing deeper, and especially in darker colored water, you want colors that will be more visible, and strands of bright colors like chartreuse, or colors on the blue/purple end of the spectrum tend to stand out more. ( think very dark water or depths over 15' with stained water). This is also when rattles come into play.
TLDR: buy jigs in 1/8-1/2 oz in the Arky style in green, brown, and blue black. Fit them with trailers colored to match the natural forage. Learn to feel structure and cover. Catch fish.
Where do you start with jig fishing? First off you start by matching the depth you want to fish to the head size. Fall rate is everything in a jig, as well as head shape. In a situation that you're dragging a jig you want a head that is knocking on anything it contacts, you want it also, to have a line tie that is not going to get hung on every little rock it contacts. An Arkie head is an excellent option for a casting jig. It's a versatile head style that casts easily and has pretty reliable bottom contact. (Which, on that note, is something to consider. In so many situations, I tend to throw conventional wisdom out the window. I fish heavier than normal jigs to feel bottom content, me create more disturbance. I fish more 3/4 and 1 ounce jigs in shallow water than lighter weights. I also feel that it creates more instinctive type bites on the fall.)
One of the next factors to consider, as has been mentioned is color. While, again, I tend not to subscribe to traditional theory of color, I do have some standard colors I fish. Generally Green Pumpkin with orange is my first clear water color. I use Okeechobee in a wide variety of clear and mixed water situations, and dirty water I lean more toward black blue and black purple chartreuse. Where I will adjust colors is my trailer choice. I typically am going to match my trailer color to my skirt, except when I don't. I will use an offset color like a Falcon Craw on a black blue jig in dirty water where there are rusties. I will use a blue bug trailer on a Peas And carrots skirt in cold clear water. Things like that you get a feel for after seeing craws in new waters you fish.
The next determination to make is profile. Profile is somewhat determined by the head style and size, but more importantly it is determined by the skirt shape and trailer choice. Skirts on a jig can be a full, flowing 60 strands, or they can be cut back to flare and strands pulled out to make it thinner. I usually start with a jig skirt that is slightly longer than the shank of my hook, and usually it is full. A large profile, if you will. When I modify a jig skirt, the first thing I do is trim the length. If I want the jig to be just a more compact profile, what I do is trim a few strands from the forward portion of the skirt, the part pointing towards the head that folds back. Trim a few of those out, and then loosely hold all of the strands between my index and middle finger, along with the hook, and trim them dead even with the bottom of the bend. If I want even less profile, I will trim or pull a few of the underlying strands out of the skirt. The second aspect of profile is somewhat preference, and somewhat based on experience. Choosing a trailer for a jig needn't be more complicated than, initially, choosing whether you want a large or small profile. For a standard trailer, I use a rage craw. Almost exclusively that is my first choice. I will bite off a notch of the tail section, and start there. If I want thicker, heavier profile, I use a rage bug. If I want a slimmer profile I lean towards a DB rage Craw, or a menace. In the case of a swim jig, my choice of trailer is a swing impact or similar, or a menace.
So, that's a starter. Jig head styles are somewhat subjective. There are no hard and fast rules that state what must and must not be fished in a given application. What you will find over time is that you're going to prefer one over another based on performance in a given situation. I have Arky, Alien, Punch, Football, Flip, Cobra, swim, grass, flip swim, and finesse styles. They're all good for different things. They're all pretty specific in how I use them. The most versatile is the Arky. I'm not really partial to one brand or another, some are better for specific situations, some have better hooks. Siebert builds a good jig. Strike King builds a good jig, as does Dirty Jigs, and several others.
One last note; someone mentioned a finesse jig being a good starter. I disagree with that assertion. They are rather easily hung, and generally don't have a very good feel as a starter. Less surface area of the jig in contact with the bottom is the primary reason for that. The second reason I don't like to start someone on a finesse jig is they have a very different fall rate. They're more difficult to effectively modify that rate, and equally difficult to get a large profile. They have their applications, but not as a starter.
Thanks for all the input guys.
On 5/25/2017 at 2:18 PM, Turkey sandwich said:TLDR: buy jigs in 1/8-1/2 oz in the Arky style in green, brown, and blue black. Fit them with trailers colored to match the natural forage. Learn to feel structure and cover. Catch fish.
I'll start off with 3/8oz Arky heads in black and blue, green pumkin, and black,brown/amber. i'll see how it goes from there
On 5/25/2017 at 10:53 AM, pondbassin101 said:
So just get plain skirts and customize with trailers? Would the colors I mentioned earlier still work?
Yes stay very plain with the skirt and change the trailer. Starting very basic with any three including the ones you listed previously would work just fine. Just two would get you by in a pinch black blue and green pumpkin. Do not get all caught up with the possibilities and just try and make it simple as possible. This makes the choice and variations on the water easier and the cost wayyyyyyy down. I would say 3/8ths will work for everything unless your deeper than 15 feet and i dont see that in a pond. Two types of trailer a rage craw for action and a 3.5 inch beaver and your done.
On 5/26/2017 at 6:21 AM, Angry John said:Yes stay very plain with the skirt and change the trailer. Starting very basic with any three including the ones you listed previously would work just fine. Just two would get you by in a pinch black blue and green pumpkin. Do not get all caught up with the possibilities and just try and make it simple as possible. This makes the choice and variations on the water easier and the cost wayyyyyyy down. I would say 3/8ths will work for everything unless your deeper than 15 feet and i dont see that in a pond. Two types of trailer a rage craw for action and a 3.5 inch beaver and your done.
Ok thanks. Are wire tied collars worth the extra 30 cents?
Then theres shipping costs.... Kinda hard to pay anything when below legal working age, guess its time for more odd jobs
On 5/26/2017 at 9:26 AM, pondbassin101 said:Then theres shipping costs.... Kinda hard to pay anything when below legal working age, guess its time for more odd jobs
If that $15 is gonna be a hassle you're probably gonna want to fish something else.
I am assuming you're gonna be bank fishing since below legal work age?
If that is the case, and you are new to jig fishing, you will be losing a lot of jigs.
On 5/26/2017 at 10:58 AM, NiX said:
If that $15 is gonna be a hassle you're probably gonna want to fish something else.
I am assuming you're gonna be bank fishing since below legal work age?
If that is the case, and you are new to jig fishing, you will be losing a lot of jigs.
Well I was over exaggerating, im just cheap
Pretty much for now
What do you mean?
On 5/26/2017 at 11:19 AM, pondbassin101 said:
What do you mean?
Well being new you're gonna be setting the hook on what you think is fish but actually logs or some type of underwater structure and getting snagged. When you're working from the bank it's harder to release that snag.
I am fairly new to jig fishing and have gone through many jigs. I have definitely gotten better at releasing and avoiding snags though. I don't lose my jigs as often anymore.
On 5/26/2017 at 1:32 PM, NiX said:Well being new you're gonna be setting the hook on what you think is fish but actually logs or some type of underwater structure and getting snagged. When you're working from the bank it's harder to release that snag.
Jig bites are harder to detect? Are they more subtle?
On 5/26/2017 at 7:22 PM, pondbassin101 said:
Jig bites are harder to detect? Are they more subtle?
Meh... sometimes.
Jig fishing is a semi-slack line presentation. That is, there are times where you line is not completely tight back to the jig - particularly while you are letting it 'soak' on the bottom.
When you're jig fishing (or using a Texas rig, or soft plastic, or any slack/semi-slack line presentation), you have to watch your line on the water. Sometimes the line will start to run away from you like the jig's suddenly sinking more, but you know it was already on the bottom. Sometimes the line will jump like something bumped it. Sometimes it'll shift left or right, or even go slack-er like the lure suddenly jumped closer to you of its own volition.
These are all indications that a fish might've picked up the jig even though you didn't feel it. Set the hook.
This is why jig fishing isn't really a 'cheap' way to bass fish... you're throwin' into cover and around structure, and you're setting the hook when things just don't seem right. Sometimes you're going to completely set the hook on a branch or snarl and have to give up the jig. But that's the cost you pay for throwing in there where the obese-grandmamas-who-smoke like to hang out.
Other times, though, a jig bite will feel more normal. Other times it feels like you got whacked by a train and your rod gets almost snatched from your hands.
It varies day to day, fish to fish... But, as a rule, it's a technique wherein you need to be paying attention to be successful.
Heavy Deluxe explained it perfectly.
I have gotten the bite on the drop, dragging, hopping back, swimming back. all of the bites have been normal, I can't wait to have my rod jerked in my hands! I have missed plenty of bites by not paying attention though that is for sure.
I have set the hook on branches and logs plenty though and have probably lost more lures this season than ever before because like previous comment said. You are throwing at those lay downs and structure, you're bound to get a snag. When you're on the bank you can't go on the other side and free the snag like you can on a boat or other watercraft.
On 5/26/2017 at 10:29 PM, HeavyDluxe said:
Jig fishing is a semi-slack line presentation. That is, there are times where you line is not completely tight back to the jig - particularly while you are letting it 'soak' on the bottom.
When you're jig fishing (or using a Texas rig, or soft plastic, or any slack/semi-slack line presentation), you have to watch your line on the water. Sometimes the line will start to run away from you like the jig's suddenly sinking more, but you know it was already on the bottom. Sometimes the line will jump like something bumped it. Sometimes it'll shift left or right, or even go slack-er like the lure suddenly jumped closer to you of its own volition.
These are all indications that a fish might've picked up the jig even though you didn't feel it. Set the hook.
I don't think the slack line thing should be too hard. I've fished T-rigs/ plastics a lot and I mean ALOT, like 75% of pond fishing has been on lures along those lines. Bite detection shouldn't be an issue, more of losing lures
One more thing, what kind of jig are Siebert's Enraged series jigs? Would an Arky jig be better all around? Enraged are on sale right now
Edited by pondbassin101@Siebert Outdoors posts on here and responds to messages, so your questions might be better addressed to him.
The EnRAGED series of jigs, I believe, uses what Siebert calls a 'brush jig' head. If you look at it side by side with an Arky head, you'll notice a couple differences. The brush head is a little boxier, not quite as elongated and cone-shaped as an Arky head. It also is designed to sit on the bottom in such a way that the hook is angled more upright (bend up) where the arky head has the hook more horizontally (shank down, hook point up).
I think there are a couple reasons for this:
That's just a 'winging it' answer... Check this thread for more.
When I was looking at jigs for the first time, I asked Mike from Siebert's and he recommended the brush head. So, that's what I've bought and what I've always used. I've had some Arky jigs that I've acquired through other means, too, and have caught fish on them. But, I don't have the same confidence in them that I have in the brush jigs.
edit: I'd buy the heck out of those EnRAGED jigs at that price. But, I just ordered a bunch of other jigs from there a couple weeks ago.
Brush head jig's would still work for bottom presentations in grass and weeds. With the sale the Enraged jigs, wire tied, are still cheaper than the Arkys. The Arkys are a better all all round jig and I don't think $2 extra will kill me
On 5/27/2017 at 7:02 AM, pondbassin101 said:Brush head jig's would still work for bottom presentations in grass and weeds. With the sale the Enraged jigs, wire tied, are still cheaper than the Arkys. The Arkys are a better all all round jig and I don't think $2 extra will kill me
You're overthinking this. Those three kinds of jigs are going to fish almost identically, almost all the time, for almost anything you will do with them.
On 5/27/2017 at 3:05 AM, pondbassin101 said:
One more thing, what kind of jig are Siebert's Enraged series jigs? Would an Arky jig be better all around? Enraged are on sale right now
Hello Pondbassin101 The Enraged is a great jig. It has a flat base and stands extremely well. Its basically a brush jig that is modified with a flat base. This head also has a Gamakatsu hook in it. Its a great head.
On 5/27/2017 at 7:46 AM, MIbassyaker said:
You're overthinking this. Those three kinds of jigs are going to fish almost identically, almost all the time, for almost anything you will do with them.
Well I do alot of over thinking, thanks for clearing that up. So the two types of jigs are pretty much the same thing with just a slight difference with the way they fish/
I fish the brush jigs in wood. They seem to work the best there for me. There is a jig for every purpose. ArKY is good all around. Flipping jigs are decent all around also. The wire tie is a nice option and I pay for the upgrade
So arky is the best all around jig. Theres basically no wood in the ponds im fishing do I don't see too much use for the brush jig
Colors: Browns, Greens and Black to start. Catch fish, gain confidence and build your arsenal from there.
Over rocky bottom a "football jig" is always a good choice.
However, wherever there's a bounty of vegetation I use nothing but "swim jigs",
not for swimming, but for weed penetration. In wood (laydowns, stickups, stumps)
the Arky head is a big favorite.
Roger
I just bought and really like the Dirty Jigs OD Series Pitchin' jig in the black and blue color. Personally, I think black and blue is the most versatile color because it works in both clear and dirty water. Try the 3/8 ounce and see how you like it!
http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Dirty_Jigs_Luke_Clausen_Casting_Jig/descpage-DJLCCJG.html
3/8 Siebert outdoors dredge brush jig.I swim,pitch,hop this thing.It works in all situations.I like pairing it with a Rage craw or twin tail grub.
3/8 Siebert outdoors dredge brush jig.I swim,pitch,hop this thing.It works in all situations.I like pairing it with a Rage craw or twin tail grub.Browns,greens and black and blue are staples.