Searching for two specific small jigheads 2025
txchaser reply :
Looking for two things:
1) Size 1 EWG-style ned head. The 1/0 work pretty well, but it seems like the action would be different vs a shorter hook. Is this a thing? If so who makes it? I found the owner ball head, but given where the line tie is it seems like it would be different sitting on the bottom.
2) Any recommendation on the best ned heads to crawl through a brushpile? I suppose a spider slider head would word way better, but I'll miss out on how it sits up on the bottom.
Or perhaps I'm overthing both!
A-Jay reply :
I believe either of these two offerings from Owner could accomplish what you're looking for.
https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Owner_Block_Head_Offset_Jighead_4pk/descpage-BLO.html
https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Owner_Ultrahead_Bullet_Rig_4pk/descpage-OUHBUL.html
A-Jay
smalljaw67 reply :
I don't think a size #1 in that type of head exist. If you are going through a brush pile a slider worm will work, no need for a Ned rig when fish are set up in cover.
Steelhead reply :
I agree that the 1/0 offset EWG mushroom heads deaden the action. IMO they're too big. I've tried the Flatlands Custom Tackle Weedless Ned and the Lifted Jigs Ned EWG head and both are 1/0. I've been waiting impatiently for a manufacturer to produce a #1 offset/EWG mushroom head. For fishing wood/brush I use two different rigs. The Owner Rig-N-Hook comes in a #4,2 and 1(TW doesn't stock #4 & 2) offset hook but I wouldn't consider it a EWG. I peg a 1/16oz. bullet weight and it works excellent. The second is the Decoy VJ-71 "Nail Bomb" head. It's basically the same as the Owner Ultrahead Finesse Ball Head and comes in a #2 hook in 1/32, 3/32 and 1/16oz. and a #1 in 1/32, 3/32, 1/16 and 1/8oz. I ordered them from Japan and have fished them the last three years and been very happy with the results.
fishwizzard reply :
The Decoy Nailbomb heads are a ball-head EWG that come with a #1 hook. They are the one in the middle.
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
Im not sure if that will be good for brush pile but i got less snag when hook this way. The problem is lead head and hook seem to come loose after using awhile, and the hook is pretty soft, bended easily not brittle like Zman.
https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Eagle_Claw_Lazer_Sharp_Weedless_Pro-V_Finesse_Jig_5p/descpage-LSPVWJ.html?from=gshop&gclid=CjwKCAiAgqDxBRBTEiwA59eEN800_N6VY88jlMDvjSTTjm2h3dWOtCYG-gm40bTGYkNhOXkZ8CNqHhoCMYoQAvD_BwE
Mr. Aquarium reply :
Check out lead free bass jigs. Great guy and great jigs.
Dreveal reply :
River Rock Baits makes a jig head with a #1 Owner hook that I have used for the past couple of years.
https://river-rock-custom-baits.myshopify.com/products/tactical-finesse-jig
txchaser reply :
Thanks y'all. Bass resource overdelivers as usual. The decoy nail bombs are close to what I was I was looking for, and as a bonus Amazon had them. Some of the JDM guys have started selling there and the prices while a little higher aren't crazy for small orders.
And the 1/16 pegged with the small owner hook is an interesting way to go too for the snaggy stuff.
You'd think someone would make a mushroom head wide gap (ie can be t-rigged) in a size 1 or 2 hook.
Comfortably Numb reply :
I use these. 1/8 with #1 hook. I do remove some fibers. Cadman made it for me. Very snagless and good hook ups
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
If you plan to use any of ball style head,I recommend using 1/2 ZinkerZ instead of TRD. I found that ZinkerZ will get a lot softer and more buoyancy over time. The TRD is hit and miss, even in the same package, some will stay kinda firm and less buoyancy even after a few fish. ZinkerZ would definitely have enough buoyancy to stand up with the right weight (1/16oz)
I always use owner ultra ball head 1/8-3/16 with a whole ZinkerZ and it stand up just fine.
Finessegenics reply :
Since size 1 EWG ned heads are hard to find, this is what I do. I Texas rig the TRD with a size 1 EWG. On the other end of the bait, I insert a VMC Neko weight in 1/32 oz. Anything larger/heavier than that and it won’t fit in the TRD. It screws in fairly easily and after playing around you can get it to go in straight. It’s not 100% snagless, I still get hung up in tiny crevices between rocks but I think it’s your best option for a brush pile as well.
The options mentioned here by other users are really good too, as those jig heads are going to get you a heavier weight.
Dangerfield reply :
I'm going to explore using a 1/4oz mustad fastach football head and pair it with the 4" TRD & a 2/0 mustad kvd grip pin hook for dock work and chunk rock.
You might be able to attempt a similar rig with the Freedom Tackle Zodiac jig and use your desired #1 hook. Just a thought, got the offseason rig juices flowing haha.
https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Freedom_Tackle_Zodiac_Ultra_Light_Hybrid_Jig_Heads_2pk/descpage-FREEZUL.html#customer_reviews
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
@Dangerfieldthat sounds good, another rig that work very well with Zman Plastic is Jikarig. The difference is you don’t swim but fish just like shaky head.
I made my own a few years back
with 3/16oz weight and roboworm hook which work better than ewg hook (you cannot really skin hook on Elaztech and they would come down the hook often)
Dangerfield reply :
On 1/24/2020 at 8:21 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:@Dangerfieldthat sounds good, another rig that work very well with Zman Plastic is Jikarig. The difference is you don’t swim but fish just like shaky head.
I made my own a few years backwith 3/16oz weight and roboworm hook which work better than ewg hook (you cannot really skin hook on Elaztech and they would come down the hook often)
I was thinking of picking up the owner jigarig which I think is exactly like your diy model. I've got some Tokyo rigs that are similar that I need to spend some more time with on the water.
txchaser reply :
On 1/22/2020 at 10:24 PM, fishwizzard said:The Decoy Nailbomb heads are a ball-head EWG that come with a #1 hook. They are the one in the middle.
Well they arrived and must have been mislabeled, because the package says #1 and they are exactly the same size as 1/0 EWG on other brands. ????
The search continues...
smalljaw67 reply :
On 2/18/2020 at 2:03 PM, txchaser said:Well they arrived and must have been mislabeled, because the package says #1 and they are exactly the same size as 1/0 EWG on other brands. ????
The search continues...
The problem is that a size 1 is going to have extra length for that style of hook. The reason is that there has to be enough room on the offset to be able to hold the plastic. I know I already heard a lot of guys wanting a 2/0 and then using a larger plastic because even the 1/0 has issues with the worm sliding down while coming through cover. I honestly believe if you are fishing cover that you don't need a ned rig, a slider head with a small worm will work fine. I was told something that made sense, and it was that if the fish are located in cover they aren't as difficult to coax into striking compared to a fish cruising open water. That was the original application for the Midwest finesse technique, finicky fish not relating to cover. I am still keeping an eye out for something that may interest you but I think the slider head with a small worm will work better than a ned rig for fishing cover.
fishwizzard reply :
On 2/18/2020 at 2:31 PM, smalljaw67 said:I honestly believe if you are fishing cover that you don't need a ned rig, a slider head with a small worm will work fine.
I more or less agree, but still think the weedless Ned has a place for wade fishing. In areas with faster current and/or a lot of wood in the water I prefer weedless for both less wasted time and leaving less litter in the water.
Jermination reply :
On 1/22/2020 at 1:40 PM, txchaser said:Looking for two things:
1) Size 1 EWG-style ned head. The 1/0 work pretty well, but it seems like the action would be different vs a shorter hook. Is this a thing? If so who makes it? I found the owner ball head, but given where the line tie is it seems like it would be different sitting on the bottom.
2) Any recommendation on the best ned heads to crawl through a brushpile? I suppose a spider slider head would word way better, but I'll miss out on how it sits up on the bottom.
Or perhaps I'm overthing both!
give jack collins a ring or dm him on facebook, or follow his facebook local guy up in kentucky who makes incredible stuff. https://www.facebook.com/jackscustomjigs/
Steelhead reply :
On 2/18/2020 at 2:03 PM, txchaser said:Well they arrived and must have been mislabeled, because the package says #1 and they are exactly the same size as 1/0 EWG on other brands. ????
The search continues...
Did you order the #2? It's the one I mostly use. It measures 1 7/16 inches. It's a little longer than what I prefer. The Lifted Jigs EWG Ned head is 1 9/16 inches. The Zman Finesse Shroomz which is a #2 hook measures in at 1 1/16 inch. I'm going to place an order for the Charlie Brewer Weedless Crappie Slider head. The website states it's a #1 hook and measures 1 inch long.
I think it won't be long that someone comes up with a small mushroom head EWG offset hook that will be around that 1" size.
Another option which works ok is using the Zman finesse Shroomz Texas rigged.
TBAG reply :
On 2/18/2020 at 11:08 PM, Jermination said:give jack collins a ring or dm him on facebook, or follow his facebook local guy up in kentucky who makes incredible stuff. https://www.facebook.com/jackscustomjigs/
Thanks for this! I'm going to look him up for sure! He's in my state too, even better.
Michigander reply :
Wouldn't be the prettiest thing, but I doubt the fish would care if you took the hook you want and made a head out of JB Weld or some other two part metal epoxy.
Heck, you could probably just use Milliput and work some BB's into the mix as well.
txchaser reply :
On 2/19/2020 at 5:25 AM, Steelhead said:Did you order the #2?
Only had the #1 where I got them.
smalljaw67 reply :
On 2/19/2020 at 5:25 AM, Steelhead said:Did you order the #2? It's the one I mostly use. It measures 1 7/16 inches. It's a little longer than what I prefer. The Lifted Jigs EWG Ned head is 1 9/16 inches. The Zman Finesse Shroomz which is a #2 hook measures in at 1 1/16 inch. I'm going to place an order for the Charlie Brewer Weedless Crappie Slider head. The website states it's a #1 hook and measures 1 inch long.
I think it won't be long that someone comes up with a small mushroom head EWG offset hook that will be around that 1" size.
Another option which works ok is using the Zman finesse Shroomz Texas rigged.
I don't think you'll ever see a 1" ned head with the offset shank like the Lifted jigs or Flatland Customs. The reason is there isn't enough room to accommodate the offset to hold the worm on. I was messing around with one of my molds to see if I could make a small one. I took a size #1 and a size #2 Gamakatsu offset EWG hook and put it into the modified mold. I had to fabricate a small wire form to attach to the hook eye and then come out of the head for the line tie. Even with just the hook eye imbedded in the head did not leave enough room to hold the standard Ned rig worm on securely. I think what you might see is what the OP already got that he thinks might have been mislabeled. A #1 hook with extended length for the offset to hold the worm in place. It will give you the smaller profile of the size #1 hook but it will still be long like a 1/0 because there just isn't enough room. Now if someone wanted to make a smaller hook version that would work it can be done but differently. You'd make the head with a free swinging hook so now you have the smaller size #1 and #2 hooks that will have the full length of the offset free to hold the worm but it now has a small joint that can cause issues in grass.
Steelhead reply :
On 2/19/2020 at 5:40 PM, smalljaw67 said:I don't think you'll ever see a 1" ned head with the offset shank like the Lifted jigs or Flatland Customs. The reason is there isn't enough room to accommodate the offset to hold the worm on. I was messing around with one of my molds to see if I could make a small one. I took a size #1 and a size #2 Gamakatsu offset EWG hook and put it into the modified mold. I had to fabricate a small wire form to attach to the hook eye and then come out of the head for the line tie. Even with just the hook eye imbedded in the head did not leave enough room to hold the standard Ned rig worm on securely. I think what you might see is what the OP already got that he thinks might have been mislabeled. A #1 hook with extended length for the offset to hold the worm in place. It will give you the smaller profile of the size #1 hook but it will still be long like a 1/0 because there just isn't enough room. Now if someone wanted to make a smaller hook version that would work it can be done but differently. You'd make the head with a free swinging hook so now you have the smaller size #1 and #2 hooks that will have the full length of the offset free to hold the worm but it now has a small joint that can cause issues in grass.
You might be right. The swinging head could be a possibility. BTW, the measurements I took included the head. Charlie Brewer's website stated the Weedless crappie slider hook is 1". I'm thinking that doesn't include the head. I have been thinking of a mushroom head just as a weight with a line thru like a bullet weight. Maybe a crazy idea. Anyways, I still prefer a #2 mushroom head as the EWG offset heads do deaden the action. So far, the Decoy Nail Bomb in #2 is the best I've used.
txchaser reply :
On 2/19/2020 at 5:40 PM, smalljaw67 said:I took a size #1 and a size #2 Gamakatsu offset EWG hook and put it into the modified mold.
Seems like if the use case was specifically elaztech you could get away with a much shorter gap. Compared to a regular worm you need a lot less material for a good hold. I wouldn't care if I also needed to superglue, but that's not commercially viable.
Or another option, maybe a micro version of this kind of shakey head but with a bend that allows a texspose.
Not likely a big enough market for anyone to go after this commercially but it'd be cool to see a custom version.
No idea why I feel the need to figure this out, but I do. Maybe it is from watching just how different the 1/0 length action is vs the 1, at least sitting on the bottom.
Related to all this, I do really like how picasso covers the area between the line tie and the bottom of the head. That's a snaggy spot and will happily drag muck back if there's any.
On 1/24/2020 at 6:10 AM, Dangerfield said:
You might be able to attempt a similar rig with the Freedom Tackle Zodiac jig and use your desired #1 hook. Just a thought, got the offseason rig juices flowing haha.
I have some of these in a different box, so they didn't even make the radar. Thanks, might be just the thing.
Steelhead reply :
https://bpjighead.com/shop/tru-set-weedless-crappie-jigs-116oz-5-pack/
Found these heads. Not sure of the hook style.
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