Rat-L-Trap vs Strike King Red Eye Shad 2024
that_ryan_kid_7 reply :
Hey guys, First post btw
Ok, so I only have 3 lipless crankbaits so far and I've caught a couple on each and would like to get some more, the ones I have are 2 rat-l-trap (crawfish pattern and bluegill pattern), and 1 red eye shad (sexy shad) I'm wanting to know which are better or if there are any other lipless crankbaits around that price that yall recommend so I can get a few more and in which colors. I fish a small lake/really big pond with mainly bluegill and a few craws aroynd the shallow rocks. Thanks!
Smokinal reply :
I've caught far more bass on an original Bill Lewis Ratltrap that a Redeye. I usually only throw them in spring and fall in red craw. Basically in water 55 deg down to 41 or 42. After that I go to a blade bait on the bottom. The last Ratltrap I bought, I noticed they use the KVD triplegrip hooks from the factory now; I like those.
the reel ess reply :
I catch a good many on the Rat L Trap on Gold/black, but my buddy catches more on the Cotton Cordell Spot. They're about identical in design but the Spot is brighter gold.
caseyhayfishing reply :
For me a Red Eye Shad is the only lipless crankbait i need. The difference is in the way they fall on slack line. The Red Eye Shad has a distinct wobble to it on the fall. This is a key to triggering bites. Also they offer rattling and silent models.
Casey Hay
that_ryan_kid_7 reply :
On 12/25/2015 at 10:38 AM, caseyhayfishing said:For me a Red Eye Shad is the only lipless crankbait i need. The difference is in the way they fall on slack line. The Red Eye Shad has a distinct wobble to it on the fall. This is a key to triggering bites. Also they offer rattling and silent models.
Casey Hay
Yes I have noticed the red eye shad has a lot more of a action on the fall the the rat-l-trap, I just love the rattles and the color selection of rat-l-traps
caseyhayfishing reply :
Your on the right track, keep trying different baits and keep the ones YOU have confidence in. I try to keep my selection simple and the Red Eye just works for me. With that being said, the Excalibur One Knocker is worth trying.
Also One tip - If I am on a good rattlin lipless cb bite and it slows, the first thing i do is go to a silent model. Most of the time you will pick up a few extra fish.
Casey Hay
rchiuz reply :
Have more luck with a Red Eye but my favorite are the Excalibur lipless which are now booyahs
scaleface reply :
Liks smokinal , I have had a lot more success on the Trap but that could be because I just havent given the Red Eye a fair shot . One of the lakes I frequent I fish out of a flat bottom aluminum boat .The hull acts like an amplifier and I can hear the lures quite loudly . I like to rip them off the bottom then let them fall back. A bass will hit the lure as its falling and I can hear that strike . When a Red Eye is falling I can hear it ticking just like it is designed to do .The Trap falls over on its side and makes no noise "that I can hear " but for some reason I get more fish on it . I need to give the Red Eye more playing time , it does shimmy on the drop .
looking4structure reply :
Before the RES it was a Rat-L-Trap. But now i fish mainly the RES and XCalubur. So many options between the two.
gulfcaptain reply :
I fish more the 1 knocker Rat-L-Traps and also the Rapala Clackin Raps more then any other lipless baits. The Super Spots are close to the Rat-L-Trap but have a different sound in the bb's then the original Rat-L-Traps do so although they are close, they aren't quite the same. Livingston has some, but haven't seen any huge difference in the production over the others. Have no experience with the Red Eye Shad as I haven't fished them so can't give you an opinion on them.
Catt reply :
I maybe a little bit basis since my personal best of 12.8# was caught on a Trap!
Traps come in more weight sizes & color options than any other lipless crank.
Each brand has distinct rattle sounds & vibrationd so I pretty much throw em all.
While many anglers like ripping em through grass I like ricocheting em off wood!
that_ryan_kid_7 reply :
On 12/25/2015 at 9:25 PM, Catt said:I maybe a little bit basis since my personal best of 12.8# was caught on a Trap!
Traps come in more weight sizes & color options than any other lipless crank.
Each brand has distinct rattle sounds & vibrationd so I pretty much throw em all.
While many anglers like ripping em through grass I like ricocheting em off wood!
Hmm, that's interesting. When ever I'm running into wood, trees, or other sunken structure, I go to a square bill crankbaits. what kind of retrieve do you do when you use a lipless crankbait for that and how has its worked for you? Do you get hung up much?
Insanity reply :
For me. My go to bait is the 3/8the oz Rattlin Rapala. Chrome and blue. Or gold and black. Are the only two colors you really need. I've been using these for over 20 years. They just seem work better over all for me.
Ive heard it said of all hard baits but I've personally noticed it with lippless baits.. If you buy three or the Same bait and use them all three an equal amount of time you'll soon notice one is catching far more fish then the other two. Something came out different and though I've never figured out what that minute detail is. You can see it for yourselves if you happen to own more one of the same bait. Just look how many scraps the fishes mouths have left behind in the finish of one bait verses the others. And though I don't tournament fish I can still take advantage of knowing which is the best producing bait in that color.
BE RITE BACK. TABLET KEEPS CRASHING.
Insanity reply :
Anyway in short I don't use my best producing baits as say search baits or for beating brush piles where I might loose them. And so for the above mentioned reason I think a newly purchased bait can quickly become one of your favorites or least favorite brand baits. Also I'd say as your doing you need more then one brand bait as they do have differences the fish notice. Rattle Trapps are for instance some of the loudest and have there time and place to sHine above other said brands. Hope this helps.
Fishes in trees reply :
There are dozens of different lipless cranks on the market. I've probably mentioned this before in other threads. Neither of the two baits you've mentioned make my top two. Current have is an old Berkley Frenzy Rattle Bait - in the Threadfin Shad color. Actually it has been beat up so much it is hard to tell what color it is. 1st runner up would be a Cordell Spot.
Insanity reply :
On 12/26/2015 at 12:31 AM, Fishes in trees said:There are dozens of different lipless cranks on the market. I've probably mentioned this before in other threads. Neither of the two baits you've mentioned make my top two. Current have is an old Berkley Frenzy Rattle Bait - in the Threadfin Shad color. Actua;;y it has been beat up so much it is hard to tell what color it is. 1st runner up would be a Cordell Spot.
Insanity reply :
Sorry my phone pitched a fit.
Cotton Cordell would also be one of my top picks. I couldn't remember the name for the life of me. I only use one color in it to save money. Sexy shad.
Raul reply :
In the world of lipless cranks it´s really hard to say which one is "better" than the other, I have caught hundreds of fish on Rat L-Traps, but also have caught as many on Heddon´s Sonics and Super Sonics ( both discontinued ), when it comes to have a limited budget money and/or storage space if it were me I would put my money and storage space in Rat L-Traps.
List of some of the lipless I carry:
Bill Lewis Rat L-Trap
Rapala Rattlin´ Rap
Bomber Rattlin RRR ( discontinued )
Heddon Sonic and Super Sonic ( discontinued )
Heddon Bayou Boogie
Strike King Diamond Shad
All of them are good and all catch fish.
HoosierHawgs reply :
On 12/26/2015 at 2:41 AM, Raul said:In the world of lipless cranks it´s really hard to say which one is "better" than the other, I have caught hundreds of fish on Rat L-Traps, but also have caught as many on Heddon´s Sonics and Super Sonics ( both discontinued ), when it comes to have a limited budget money and/or storage space if it were me I would put my money and storage space in Rat L-Traps.
List of some of the lipless I carry:
Bill Lewis Rat L-Trap
Rapala Rattlin´ Rap
Bomber Rattlin RRR ( discontinued )
Heddon Sonic and Super Sonic ( discontinued )
Heddon Bayou Boogie
Strike King Diamond Shad (discontinued)
All of them are good and all catch fish.
Midwest Fisherman reply :
I'm going with the red eye shad since I used it today for the first time and the second cast brought in a 3 - 4 pounder here in Indy. Don't know how to load a pic or I would post it.
fishballer06 reply :
I'm a bill lewis guy.
richienyc reply :
Xcalibur One Knocker (now a Booyah One Knocker) are the best lipless cranks I have ever used. Very distinctive deep thumping sound caused by one tungsten rattle as opposed to just "noise" from most other lipless cranks.
A-Jay reply :
I am very bias and I'm not even gonna try to hide it ~ my PB 11-11 came on a RES 
But in my experience, there's not doubt that both baits are very good.
There are several other makes & models that are also solid producers.
Lipless baits are a category of hard baits that one can never have enough of.
A-Jay
HoosierHawgs reply :
On 12/26/2015 at 4:40 AM, Midwest Fisherman said:I'm going with the red eye shad since I used it today for the first time and the second cast brought in a 3 - 4 pounder here in Indy. Don't know how to load a pic or I would post it.
Color?
Midwest Fisherman reply :
On 12/26/2015 at 9:42 AM, HoosierHawgs said:Color?
1/2 oz Chili Craw
HoosierHawgs reply :
On 12/26/2015 at 10:44 AM, Midwest Fisherman said:1/2 oz Chili Craw
Nice! It is starting to be that time of year for that color and bait!
Bluebasser86 reply :
I'm a huge fan of the Xcaliber One Knocker, particularly Rayburn Red, gold black back, chrome blue back, and chrome foxy. I've been using the Berkley Warpig for a few weeks now and it seems to be a really nice bait that's been producing fish very well for me. I'm probably going to give the RES Tungsten 2 tap a try shortly.
Bankbeater reply :
I'm going to say Rat-L-Trap, but that is just because I have used them for years. I haven't used the Red eye shad that much.
JLBrown reply :
Try them all. One will out fish the other on a particular day. I fished a bank tournament, a few months ago, and the flavor of the day was made by a company called Sebile. I started off with a Red Eye, moved to a Rat-l-trap, and then to a Sebile Vibe Machine in an orange craw color. Caught 21 bass in the next 2 hours. Each has a different sound.
BaitMonkey1984 reply :
If I had to choose- SK. But I use sebile liplese cranks since getting my first in MTB, and am catching more fish.
Jon G reply :
My trap box probably weighs 7-8 pounds. The traps I have mostly include RES, Xcalibur, Spro Aruku Shad, LC LV500, and the Bill Lewis. If I could only have one for the rest of my life it would most likely be the Aruku Shad. That being said the Bill Lewis would be a close second.
Catt reply :
On 12/25/2015 at 10:27 PM, that_ryan_kid_7 said:
Hmm, that's interesting. When ever I'm running into wood, trees, or other sunken structure, I go to a square bill crankbaits. what kind of retrieve do you do when you use a lipless crankbait for that and how has its worked for you? Do you get hung up much?
Square bills do not have the same rattle or vibration of a Trap.
Once I find the rhythm (depth & speed) I simply guide the Trap with my rod on a path to collide with wood.
Do I get hung up? Yelp! I just go get it!
The only thing I do no others do is kneel-n-reel!
A-Jay reply :
On 12/27/2015 at 9:17 PM, Catt said:Square bills do not have the same rattle or vibration of a Trap.
Once I find the rhythm (depth & speed) I simply guide the Trap with my rod on a path to collide with wood.
Do I get hung up? Yelp! I just go get it!
The only thing I do no others do is kneel-n-reel!
In the true spirit of the Gift Giving Season, you've given away yet another gem Catt - "Crashing Traps".
Sometimes It's Pretty Killer.
And I'll add that if one switches out the treble hooks for double's (think little frog hooks) with the business ends pointing up - hanging up is reduced quite a bit.
btw- crashing traps is pretty tough on the paint job and definitely not for the faint of heart.
A-Jay
Catt reply :
On 12/27/2015 at 10:14 PM, A-Jay said:In the true spirit of the Gift Giving Season, you've given away yet another gem Catt - "Crashing Traps".
Sometimes It's Pretty Killer.
And I'll add that if one switches out the treble hooks for double's (think little frog hooks) with the business ends pointing up - hanging up is reduced quite a bit.
btw- crashing traps is pretty tough on the paint job and definitely not for the faint of heart.
A-Jay
On 12/27/2015 at 10:14 PM, A-Jay said:
Why do we flip, pitch, & punch?
Cause bass live in thick, nasty, gnarly cover!
I throw Traps, spinner baits, & cranks in cover that scares most anglers!
Do I lose tackle? Yelp!
But I catch bass & big bass 
tater555 reply :
My most productive lipless cranks seem to be xcalibur, both the regular version and one knockers. I have really tried to like the RES but they just don't produce for me. I also like the 6th sense lipless cranks, I have a silent version that has caught me lots of fish.
Raul reply :
If you fish from a boat no self respecting crankbaiter would leave home without his trusty lure retriever, if you ain´t throwin´em where they can hang up you ain´t throwin´ them where they are. Real men fish cranks in heavy cover.
HoosierHawgs reply :
On 12/28/2015 at 3:28 AM, Raul said:If you fish from a boat no self respecting crankbaiter would leave home without his trusty lure retriever, if you ain´t throwin´em where they can hang up you ain´t throwin´ them where they are. Real men fish cranks in heavy cover.
What about bank bound fellows?
Jigfishn10 reply :
To me they're 2 different lures. I have some of both...and may I suggest you should too! 
lo n slo reply :
On 12/27/2015 at 10:14 PM, A-Jay said:
btw- crashing traps is pretty tough on the paint job and definitely not for the faint of heart.
A-Jay
This is what I'm finding with the RES. Tennessee Shad and Gold/Black are my favorites and they seem to be the worst to chip. Once it starts, forget about it.
If I'm casting to the bank, slow rolling, I like the Rat-L-Trap. If I'm stroking in deeper water, it's the RES.
Raul reply :
On 12/28/2015 at 4:25 AM, HoosierHawgs said:What about bank bound fellows?
Better have deeper pockets cuz you are going to loose a few, you can, to a certain point, reduce the amount of loses, reel with your rod tip sticking high and don't allow the bait to sink too much.
HoosierHawgs reply :
On 12/28/2015 at 10:15 AM, Raul said:Better have deeper pockets cuz you are going to loose a few, you can, to a certain point, reduce the amount of loses, reel with your rod tip sticking high and don't allow the bait to sink too much.
I guess that is life. I tried using a plug retriever from the bank. Total disaster.
tholmes reply :
On 12/25/2015 at 9:25 PM, Catt said:I maybe a little bit basis since my personal best of 12.8# was caught on a Trap!
Traps come in more weight sizes & color options than any other lipless crank.
Each brand has distinct rattle sounds & vibrationd so I pretty much throw em all.
While many anglers like ripping em through grass I like ricocheting em off wood!
I probably have a half dozen different brands of lipless cranks in my tackle box. I've caught fish with all of them at one time or another.
Just keep trying them until you find what works on that day and in that location.
Tom
bowhunter63 reply :
Rat-L-Trap all the way.
bonzai22 reply :
Ever since I started throwing the red eye shad it is all I have bought when it comes to lip less cranks. They have a very good color selection and I have caught a lot of fish on them.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Btw lipless baits work when chipped, faded ,scratched .just like crankbaits the rougher they get the better they get.
TommyTreble reply :
I like the Rapala Rippin' Raps -- you can cast them a mile, great vibration because of a cup-like shaped nose. I've caught largemouth with it on the Connecticut River w/ 42 degree water temps. The Seblie Flatt Shad is good too, a bit more expensive.
HoosierHawgs reply :
On 12/27/2015 at 9:17 PM, Catt said:Square bills do not have the same rattle or vibration of a Trap.
Once I find the rhythm (depth & speed) I simply guide the Trap with my rod on a path to collide with wood.
Do I get hung up? Yelp! I just go get it!
The only thing I do no others do is kneel-n-reel!
You ever tried the Bill Lewis Echo 1.75? They are flat sided with the same rattle profile as a 'Trap.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 1/4/2016 at 8:53 AM, HoosierHawgs said:You ever tried the Bill Lewis Echo 1.75? They are flat sided with the same rattle profile as a 'Trap.
I've heard drum love them too.
HoosierHawgs reply :
On 1/4/2016 at 4:13 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I've heard drum love them too.
Nice! Haven't fished mine yet. Thought it would be good for stained water with active fish though, which is mostly what I fish.
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