Ned Rig Mushroom Head Weight Question 2024
ghost reply :
What mushroom head jig weight do you use?
I normally use 1/6 Oz Z-Man or 1/8 Oz Owner stand up jighead. Reason I use this weight is I can also cast with baitcast gear.
I am wondering if a lighter jighead might be better for drop rate and action.
Also, what other jig heads do you use with your TRD?
Molay1292 reply :
1/16, 3/32 and 1/8 but always the lightest that I can use with the given conditions. I make my own heads that use a wire keeper similar to the Zman.
ChrisD46 reply :
Gopher mushroom jig in 1/16 oz. with either a #4 or #2 hook .
tander reply :
I use Z Man Shroomz in 1/10 and 1/16 with and without weedguard.
Team9nine reply :
Gophers and ShroomZ, mostly 1/16 but also 1/32nd. 1/8-oz. is a brick and would be relegated to deep water or straight swim retrieves. Ditch the baitcaster 
-T9
J._Bricker reply :
ghost, thanks for bringing up this topic. I just ordered some mushroom heads and Ned rig plastics from TW to try out the technique. I had to scratch my head over the mushroom head weight chart listing. Any idea what Zman went with that weight scale? Am I in the ball park with 1/5, 1/6, 1/10 'shroom heads?
Bluebasser86 reply :
1/16oz is the size I use a 95% of the time.
ghost reply :
As mentioned I use 1/6oz Z-Man mushroom jighead and 1/8oz Owner stand up jighead, so I can also use with baitcast gear.
I did pick up 1/10oz weedless Z-Man mushroom jigheads to try out.
Team9nine reply :
On 2/7/2016 at 3:20 AM, J._Bricker said:I had to scratch my head over the mushroom head weight chart listing. Any idea what Zman went with that weight scale? Am I in the ball park with 1/5, 1/6, 1/10 'shroom heads?
Pure speculation, but my guess would be so that there wasn't a direct overlap with the same sizes of Gopher Mushroom heads.
As for weight of heads, perhaps you need the heavier jig heads for some reason out West (really deep water?), but purists like myself start carrying at 1/10 and always go down in weight, not up. I could see where you might need the 1/5 or 1/6-oz. though if you're trying to crack engine cowlings or bust boat windshields 
.... jk
-T9
heavyduty reply :
*** crappie jig in 1/8 oz for river smallies, ShroomZ in 1/16 oz or less if no current.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
I have shroomzs 1/20-1/10-1/5 weights
I weighed my trd's and they range 3.913-4.331grams
so any combo will work well with a good baitcaster, SV105 throws them nicely.
ill use lighter when they may be hitting on the fall
Go heavier to get to bottom of 20'+ lakes then hop them back
camman reply :
1/10 and 1/16 is what I use...and I've ditched the baitcaster and use spinning for these
ClackerBuzz reply :
Ned rig and baitcaster in the same sentence?
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 2/7/2016 at 1:40 PM, ClackerBuzz said:Ned rig and baitcaster in the same sentence?
I don't get it either but to each his own I suppose.
stkbassn reply :
I like 1/8. And really, 1/8 is light in my book. So 1/16 is best? is it going to make a ton of difference between the 2? I'll get some 1/16 but I just want to understand why it seems preferable to most.
ChrisD46 reply :
Regarding Ned Rig questions : If I see a reply posted with a location within 250 miles of Kansas City then I know they have forgotten more about he Ned Rig than I'll ever know !! If BlueBasser86 or Team Nine say it about the Ned Rig - you can believe it ...
Team9nine reply :
On 2/9/2016 at 1:30 AM, stkbassn said:I like 1/8. And really, 1/8 is light in my book. So 1/16 is best? is it going to make a ton of difference between the 2? I'll get some 1/16 but I just want to understand why it seems preferable to most.
Both will work, but the heavier you go, the more you get away from what makes the rig somewhat unique. Most purists use 1/16 and 1/32-oz heads because they are trying to achieve the "no-feel" retrieve. Instead, try and think of "Ned" more along the lines of weightless wacky or trick worming, and less along the lines of traditional jig or worm fishing. Most times we want our baits just swimming and floating along in the water column, just somewhat shy of neutrally buoyant.
-T9
Master Bait'r reply :
1/16th the vast majority of the time
1/10 when there's light current or it's deeper than normal.
Now that they offer a weed guard I see no reason not to use that.
stkbassn reply :
On 2/9/2016 at 6:33 AM, Team9nine said:Both will work, but the heavier you go, the more you get away from what makes the rig somewhat unique. Most purists use 1/16 and 1/32-oz heads because they are trying to achieve the "no-feel" retrieve. Instead, try and think of "Ned" more along the lines of weightless wacky or trick worming, and less along the lines of traditional jig or worm fishing. Most times we want our baits just swimming and floating along in the water column, just somewhat shy of neutrally buoyant.
-T9
Okay, I can see where that makes sense. I've not had a lot of experience with it yet but I plan to spend more time with it this coming season. I thought it was mostly cast and let if fall to the bottom on slack line and then hop it up , repeat once or twice and then bring it in. Is that not the standard method? I need to watch Glenn's video again on that. I might be remembering it wrong. I will pick up the 1/16 this week.
Thanks for the reply!
Murrica reply :
I fish in a larger river daily with a decent flow rate and about 20 ft deep I use the 1/5 size to get it down and keep it from getting caught in the flow too much. If I am casting to 4ft or less on a bank of the river I downsize to a 1/10 head and that again is too keep it from moving too much in the current. In both situations I use the current to work the rig.
Team9nine reply :
On 2/9/2016 at 11:26 PM, stkbassn said:. I thought it was mostly cast and let if fall to the bottom on slack line and then hop it up , repeat once or twice and then bring it in. Is that not the standard method?
Thanks for the reply!
Nope, not really. There are 6 "official" retrieves now that Ned espouses, and he goes over many of them in the following video:
http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/154445-ned-rig/?do=findComment&comment=1738841
-T9
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 2/9/2016 at 11:26 PM, stkbassn said:Okay, I can see where that makes sense. I've not had a lot of experience with it yet but I plan to spend more time with it this coming season. I thought it was mostly cast and let if fall to the bottom on slack line and then hop it up , repeat once or twice and then bring it in. Is that not the standard method? I need to watch Glenn's video again on that. I might be remembering it wrong. I will pick up the 1/16 this week.
Thanks for the reply!
My main retrieve with the Ned is the "swim-shake-glide". With that retrieve, the bait actually doesn't touch the bottom if everything goes as planned. Instead, it's fished anywhere from just below the surface, to just off the bottom. It's usually a very slow retrieve with pretty constant shaking and intermittent pauses to allow the bait to glide. The beginning of this video is probably the best example of my typical Ned rig retrieve. Bait is cast and allowed to sink to the depth I think it needs to be, then a slow, swim-shake-glide retrieve is utilized.
Hurricane reply :
Threads like these are the reason i love this forum... All my questions are answered here..
cgolf reply :
On 2/7/2016 at 2:40 AM, Team9nine said:Gophers and ShroomZ, mostly 1/16 but also 1/32nd. 1/8-oz. is a brick and would be relegated to deep water or straight swim retrieves. Ditch the baitcaster
-T9
I know the Ned is supposed to be a lightweight presentation, and for rivers I go 1/16 ounce, but I would think that sometimes say a 1/4 ounce may produce better due to the faster fall rate, which bass can sometimes be really picky about. Would this be the power Ned presentation or just a shaky head with a half Zinkerz or TRD?
Pond reply :
Zman mushroom 1/10
Team9nine reply :
On 5/25/2016 at 2:00 AM, cgolf said:I know the Ned is supposed to be a lightweight presentation, and for rivers I go 1/16 ounce, but I would think that sometimes say a 1/4 ounce may produce better due to the faster fall rate, which bass can sometimes be really picky about. Would this be the power Ned presentation or just a shaky head with a half Zinkerz or TRD?
Not to get too deep into semantics, but anything from an 1/8-oz on up is typically considered "power finesse" in the eyes of a Midwest finesse angler. Pretty much the same for any jig head that uses a hook larger than a No. 1. Presentations that meet either or especially both of those criteria then pushes you more toward actual shaky head fishing or jig worming, and moves you away from "Ned Rigging". Again just semantics, but I think I'd argue that there could be no such thing as "Power" Ned rigging. Ned rigging isn't concerned about triggering bites with faster fall rates, but instead putting something small and almost neutrally buoyant in front of a fishes face for a good period of time, usually in shallow water. If we need speed to trigger a bite, it would be accomplished with a straight swim retrieve, not a heavy jig head.
-T9
cgolf reply :
On 5/25/2016 at 4:09 AM, Team9nine said:Not to get too deep into semantics, but anything from an 1/8-oz on up is typically considered "power finesse" in the eyes of a Midwest finesse angler. Pretty much the same for any jig head that uses a hook larger than a No. 1. Presentations that meet either or especially both of those criteria then pushes you more toward actual shaky head fishing or jig worming, and moves you away from "Ned Rigging". Again just semantics, but I think I'd argue that there could be no such thing as "Power" Ned rigging. Ned rigging isn't concerned about triggering bites with faster fall rates, but instead putting something small and almost neutrally buoyant in front of a fishes face for a good period of time, usually in shallow water. If we need speed to trigger a bite, it would be accomplished with a straight swim retrieve, not a heavy jig head.
-T9
That's cool, Ned rig is about a slow fall, it reminds me a lot of slider rigging. I do have to say I don't think about retrieve much on the water till I hit on something that produces and then I replicate it. Most of my lake fishing with it is around reeds, so I don't swim it as much as you guys do. All I know is the rig has been money for me on rivers last year and early this year.
etrout72 reply :
I prefer the 1/15 shroomz head, but will use 1/10 in deeper water
smalljaw67 reply :
I know my rants get old but for those reading this that insist on using a baitcasting set up, don't complain when the hooks are bent out or broke. The hooks are not junk, they are designed to be used with medium light to medium power spinning rods on light 4lb to 6lb line, I use 8lb if the water is a little stained but I make the drag a little looser. If you want to use casting equipment with a heavier head with heavy wire hook go right ahead, it will work too but you aren't using a NED or mid west finesse technique anymore, now you are using the tried and true jig worm, and that is simply a shaky head rigged with the hook exposed. It doesn't bother me that many are using the heavier tackle, it bothers me that they are calling it a Ned rig when it couldn't further from the actual rig, it would be like calling a Texas rig worm a Carolina rig only you aren't using a swivel or anything to keep the weight away from the bait. Ned Kehde has a video explaining how it is fished and the specific components he uses, and that is a Gopher Tackle 1/32oz head with a size 6 hook, a 1/16oz head with a size 4 light wire hook or a 3/32oz head with a size 2 light wire hook. I will sometimes use a 1/8oz if the wind is up but I like the 3/32oz size myself, and the key to it is not to just let it sit on the bottom, it is supposed to just barely touch the bottom and then you reel slow but enough to get the bait 6" above. So onece you start using heavier tackle you are no longer in Ned rig territory, it is a jig worm plain and simple.
cgolf reply :
On 5/25/2016 at 7:14 PM, smalljaw67 said:I know my rants get old but for those reading this that insist on using a baitcasting set up, don't complain when the hooks are bent out or broke. The hooks are not junk, they are designed to be used with medium light to medium power spinning rods on light 4lb to 6lb line, I use 8lb if the water is a little stained but I make the drag a little looser. If you want to use casting equipment with a heavier head with heavy wire hook go right ahead, it will work too but you aren't using a NED or mid west finesse technique anymore, now you are using the tried and true jig worm, and that is simply a shaky head rigged with the hook exposed. It doesn't bother me that many are using the heavier tackle, it bothers me that they are calling it a Ned rig when it couldn't further from the actual rig, it would be like calling a Texas rig worm a Carolina rig only you aren't using a swivel or anything to keep the weight away from the bait. Ned Kehde has a video explaining how it is fished and the specific components he uses, and that is a Gopher Tackle 1/32oz head with a size 6 hook, a 1/16oz head with a size 4 light wire hook or a 3/32oz head with a size 2 light wire hook. I will sometimes use a 1/8oz if the wind is up but I like the 3/32oz size myself, and the key to it is not to just let it sit on the bottom, it is supposed to just barely touch the bottom and then you reel slow but enough to get the bait 6" above. So onece you start using heavier tackle you are no longer in Ned rig territory, it is a jig worm plain and simple.
The thing I don't get is why not work a Ned on the bottom, at least the 1/2 Zinkerz that stands up better than the TRD, and take full advantage of its best attribute? On a 1/16 ounce working this slowly along the bottom on sand flats would be deadly. For me the stand up and the wiggling it does due to the flexibility of the bait is money, or by definition is this not Ned rigging or Midwest finesse? To me the bait and a weight is the Ned, the fish tell be the retrieve they want with it, swimming or bouncing off the bottom, etc. To be honest, a lot of the fish I target want the baits on the bottom and worked very slowly.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 5/25/2016 at 8:37 PM, cgolf said:The thing I don't get is why not work a Ned on the bottom, at least the 1/2 Zinkerz that stands up better than the TRD, and take full advantage of its best attribute? On a 1/16 ounce working this slowly along the bottom on sand flats would be deadly. For me the stand up and the wiggling it does due to the flexibility of the bait is money, or by definition is this not Ned rigging or Midwest finesse? To me the bait and a weight is the Ned, the fish tell be the retrieve they want with it, swimming or bouncing off the bottom, etc. To be honest, a lot of the fish I target want the baits on the bottom and worked very slowly.
You can use it on the bottom, that is why there is a drag and deadstick retrieve in the six Midwest finesse retrieves where the bait never leaves the bottom. And sometimes the fish do want it slowly moving on the bottom, but at least for myself once they get out of winter and early spring the swim glide and shake retrieve catches far more bass and allows you to cover more water than the drag and deadstick. Usually between the months of March and October or November I use the swim glide and shake retrieve, and in the winter the drag and deadstick or even a straight deadstick is often the ticket. Of course there are exceptions to this, if the bass are active after a couple of abnormally warm days in winter the swim glide and shake retrieve is best, and if the bass shut down in the summer I will occasionally use the drag and deadstick. And T-9 answered your other questions very well, take his advice.
cgolf reply :
On 5/25/2016 at 9:15 PM, IndianaFinesse said:You can use it on the bottom, that is why there is a drag and deadstick retrieve in the six Midwest finesse retrieves where the bait never leaves the bottom. And sometimes the fish do want it slowly moving on the bottom, but at least for myself once they get out of winter and early spring the swim glide and shake retrieve catches far more bass and allows you to cover more water than the drag and deadstick. Usually between the months of March and October or November I use the swim glide and shake retrieve, and in the winter the drag and deadstick or even a straight deadstick is often the ticket. Of course there are exceptions to this, if the bass are active after a couple of abnormally warm days in winter the swim glide and shake retrieve is best, and if the bass shut down in the summer I will occasionally use the drag and deadstick. And T-9 answered your other questions very well, take his advice.
For me I usually do some fishing in Northern WI, and it never fails that we get hit with at least 3 cold fronts in a week, even if we are up there in August lol. For some reason those fish are very neutral and don't like moving baits and are very drop and bottom oriented, they don't look up often. I will try some of the swimming retrieves this year and see what happens.
Totally off topic, but I may give this a shot for jigging up deep water walleyes, the jig weight is spot on, I think it would work.
Team9nine reply :
On 5/25/2016 at 8:37 PM, cgolf said:For me I usually do some fishing in Northern WI, and it never fails that we get hit with at least 3 cold fronts in a week, even if we are up there in August lol. For some reason those fish are very neutral and don't like moving baits and are very drop and bottom oriented, they don't look up often. I will try some of the swimming retrieves this year and see what happens.
Totally off topic, but I may give this a shot for jigging up deep water walleyes, the jig weight is spot on, I think it would work.
Absolutely nothing wrong with using Z-Man plastics on heavier heads to fish more like you're used to and take advantage of their buoyancy attributes. I believe the point smalljaw and I are trying to make is that at that point, you are no longer "Ned rigging," but instead back to traditional jig worming techniques.
As for walleyes, check out this link of interest: http://www.in-fisherman.com/gear-accessories/drew-reeses-midwest-finesse-walleye-tactics/
-T9
fishwizzard reply :
I fish the ned a lot and use 1/16oz jig head, either Gopher, Z-man, or VMC half moon. The latter have a longer hook that I like when there are crappie or large sunfish around as it will catch them as well.
In less open areas, I have been using an Owner Ultrahead, also in 1/16oz with a #1 hook. It works very well for TRDs and half zinkers, and is perfect for the z-man finesse shads, it's like they were designed to work together.
I sometimes "power Ned" and use a full Hula Stick on a Eiron Breaker stand up head in 1/8oz. It works well, but I wish they offered it in 1/16oz but with the same sized hook.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 5/25/2016 at 8:37 PM, cgolf said:The thing I don't get is why not work a Ned on the bottom, at least the 1/2 Zinkerz that stands up better than the TRD, and take full advantage of its best attribute? On a 1/16 ounce working this slowly along the bottom on sand flats would be deadly. For me the stand up and the wiggling it does due to the flexibility of the bait is money, or by definition is this not Ned rigging or Midwest finesse? To me the bait and a weight is the Ned, the fish tell be the retrieve they want with it, swimming or bouncing off the bottom, etc. To be honest, a lot of the fish I target want the baits on the bottom and worked very slowly.
These are why we can't drag them on the bottom in a lot of our lakes. If it's not those, it's all the moss on the bottom. 
BassThumb reply :
I've had my best luck with 1/15oz Shroomz heads.
cgolf reply :
On 5/25/2016 at 9:28 PM, Team9nine said:Absolutely nothing wrong with using Z-Man plastics on heavier heads to fish more like you're used to and take advantage of their buoyancy attributes. I believe the point smalljaw and I are trying to make is that at that point, you are no longer "Ned rigging," but instead back to normal jig worming techniques.
As for walleyes, check out this link of interest: http://www.in-fisherman.com/gear-accessories/drew-reeses-midwest-finesse-walleye-tactics/
-T9
Sorry, this was with a traditional Ned head 1/16 ounce, so I would be Ned rigging from that standpoint, but yes initially I did ask if you called it jig worming or power Ned with heavier weights. The cutoff for the technique is the jig weight 1/8 ounce and below for Ned, and above for jig worming. Retrieve sounds a bit more wide open though.
On 5/25/2016 at 9:30 PM, Bluebasser86 said:
These are why we can't drag them on the bottom in a lot of our lakes. If it's not those, it's all the moss on the bottom.
That sucks, I have a beautiful huge sand flats in 4-6 fow with reeds to swim and drag it in. Reeds are awesome cover for bass fishing, easy to fish in and the bass love them.
Team9nine reply :
On 5/26/2016 at 12:42 AM, cgolf said:Sorry, this was with a traditional Ned head 1/16 ounce, so I would be Ned rigging from that standpoint, but yes initially I did ask if you called it jig worming or power Ned with heavier weights. The cutoff for the technique is the jig weight 1/8 ounce and below for Ned, and above for jig worming. Retrieve sounds a bit more wide open though.
Yeah, I was referring back to your earlier post about using a 1/4 oz weight to get a faster fall rate to trigger bites. Really, JMHO, but things started getting all screwed up once people started referring to the bait as the "Ned Rig." Previous to that, when Ned just wrote about 'Midwest finesse' as a system or way of fishing, and much of the details were still pretty much relegated to persons on his e-mail distribution list (FNN), everything was pretty straight forward. Z-Man jumping on the "Ned" bandwagon and marketing "the bait" has only compounded the confusion. Would love to know Ned's thoughts on this whole thing, but I haven't been able to get him to talk - LOL, though I know he really disliked the idea of calling the bait "Ned rig," at least initially.
-T9
cgolf reply :
On 5/26/2016 at 1:11 AM, Team9nine said:Yeah, I was referring back to your earlier post about using a 1/4 oz weight to get a faster fall rate to trigger bites. Really, JMHO, but things started getting all screwed up once people started referring to the bait as the "Ned Rig." Previous to that, when Ned just wrote about 'Midwest finesse' as a system or way of fishing, and much of the details were still pretty much relegated to persons on his e-mail distribution list (FNN), everything was pretty straight forward. Z-Man jumping on the "Ned" bandwagon and marketing "the bait" has only compounded the confusion. Would love to know Ned's thoughts on this whole thing, but I haven't been able to get him to talk - LOL,
-T9
That has caused a ton of confusion and while I love Zman stuff, their website promotes the idea of the bait as the technique. I wanted to start a thread to hopefully be added to the pinned thread of non Zman Ned baits. I have been doing really well with the Arkie salty crawlin fry cut into thirds this year, along with a 1/2 Anglers choice wart hawg which is esentially a skinny senko like bait, and of course Zman TRDs too. I will be experimenting a lot more.
Team9nine reply :
Zman baits are great because of their buoyancy and their durability, but about any soft plastic 3" or less will work on the jig head, or perhaps a bit longer if it doesn't have much bulk like a finesse worm or similar. I think Ned caps it off at <4." A lot depends upon whether you are fishing for 101 bass in 4 hrs like Ned promotes (where Zman baits excel), or just finesse fishing in general. A couple non-Zman baits I've used with great success include the Zoom finesse worm, tiny brush hog, and 4" lizard. An Erie Darter Jr. is also killer, but it doesn't hold up well on a Gopher head. I'm not a huge fan of seeing how many different baits I can get to work, instead preferring to stick with just half a dozen or less proven baits/shapes/colors. I'm a big fan of simplicity (K.I.S.S.) in this regard.
-T9
ChrisD46 reply :
Ned has a saying (really a visual) that states something to the affect of "occasionally lightly kissing the bottom " or "lightly polishing rocks" ...Something to that affect . The visual this gives me from Ned is not maintaining bottom contact - but instead focusuing on that 4" to 6" water level ABOVE the bottom with the jig head only occasionally making contact with the bottom . **T9 or Bluebasser86 may remember this exact quote from Ned - it's a great visual to remember andd again is only ONE of the Ned retrieves - but an effective one !
My Ned Rig setup for Southern Spotted Bass : Gopher Mushroom Jig Head 1/16th oz. #4 hook , 6# lb. InvizX leader , #10 lb. Power Pro , 7' ML Fast action spinng rod , 2500 series Shimano spinning reel .
Spotslayer reply :
Sorry to rehash this but I'm. having trouble fishing a 1 16 ounce head in my home waters of norris lake some places are pretty deep so I was wondering if a 1 8 ounce head would work
Smokinal reply :
On 11/29/2017 at 7:42 AM, Spotslayer said:Sorry to rehash this but I'm. having trouble fishing a 1 16 ounce head in my home waters of norris lake some places are pretty deep so I was wondering if a 1 8 ounce head would work
Sure it would. I use the 1/10 mostly but the general thought is to use the lightest you can get away with.
Spotslayer reply :
Thanks this fall I've caught lots of smallmouth on the 1 16 head but come winter those smallies can go pretty deep what about retrieve since the water is cold should I just get on points and bluff ends and just let that thing go toward the bottom?
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 11/29/2017 at 8:16 AM, Spotslayer said:Thanks this fall I've caught lots of smallmouth on the 1 16 head but come winter those smallies can go pretty deep what about retrieve since the water is cold should I just get on points and bluff ends and just let that thing go toward the bottom?
Don't know where you are geographically, but in the winter I usually alternate between a very slow swim/glide and shake retrieve and the drag and deadstick. I prefer the swimming retrieve as it is a little faster, but some days you have to drag it really slow with a few seconds long pause.
Spotslayer reply :
I fish in norris and cherokee lakes in east Tenn deep clear lakes with good smallmouth fishing this time of year should I use a shad pattern zinkerz or does it matter
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 11/29/2017 at 10:35 AM, Spotslayer said:I fish in norris and cherokee lakes in east Tenn deep clear lakes with good smallmouth fishing this time of year should I use a shad pattern zinkerz or does it matter
You might be able to get away with a swim/glide and shake retrieve then, especially for smallies. I'm really not a big color guy, but if they're eating shad in clear water white can be good. I pretty much stick with the green pumpkins and pb&j zinkerzs, but I fish in more stained water. Steep dropping shorelines are key.
PS, don't leave home without a jerkbait tied on this time of year.
WRB reply :
Off topic somewhat, today I was visiting a local tackle shop and they had Roboworm Ned worms in 3" and 6". Impressive colors and surprised how big in diameter the Ned worm is. Picked up a few packages of the 3" to try out.
Tom
cgolf reply :
On 11/29/2017 at 10:35 AM, Spotslayer said:I fish in norris and cherokee lakes in east Tenn deep clear lakes with good smallmouth fishing this time of year should I use a shad pattern zinkerz or does it matter
If the fish are deeper you could also use a salted plastic to help with the depth issue. The bouyant Zinkerz might hinder a deeper water presentation.
If I remember indiana uses a sub 4" bit of a zoom of other brand finesse worm and I really like 1/2 an anglers choice wart hawg. 1/2 a senko or senko imitation would work too. I just like the wart hawg because it has the diameter of a finesse worm without the funky worm shape, where finesse worms slim down and puff out at the tail.
On 11/29/2017 at 11:48 AM, WRB said:Off topic somewhat, today I was visiting a local tackle shop and they had Roboworm NedcWorms in 3" and 6". Impressive colors and surprised how big in diameter the Ned worm is. Picked up a few packages of the 3" to try out.
Tom
Saw on Facebook that the tail floats up, so they must not have put much salt in them. I have 6 bags of the 3" on the way that will end up under the Christmas tree for me. Can't wait to see the colors in person, the pics I have seen look really nice.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 5/26/2016 at 1:48 AM, Team9nine said:Zman baits are great because of their buoyancy and their durability, but about any soft plastic 3" or less will work on the jig head, or perhaps a bit longer if it doesn't have much bulk like a finesse worm or similar. I think Ned caps it off at <4." A lot depends upon whether you are fishing for 101 bass in 4 hrs like Ned promotes (where Zman baits excel), or just finesse fishing in general. A couple non-Zman baits I've used with great success include the Zoom finesse worm, tiny brush hog, and 4" lizard. An Erie Darter Jr. is also killer, but it doesn't hold up well on a Gopher head. I'm not a huge fan of seeing how many different baits I can get to work, instead preferring to stick with just half a dozen or less proven baits/shapes/colors. I'm a big fan of simplicity (K.I.S.S.) in this regard.
-T9
Hasnt Ned mentioned this is a rare occurrence only a few times a year actually? Mindset might be 25 per hour but thats not happening regularly even for him.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 11/29/2017 at 12:53 PM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:Hasnt Ned mentioned this is a rare occurrence only a few times a year actually? Mindset might be 25 per hour but thats not happening regularly even for him.
I don't believe he's hit 101 at all this year. We had a ton of rain this spring that dirtied the water and made it difficult for finesse fishing techniques. I've had 4 or 5 days with triple digit numbers of fish this year, but those are full days on the water, not 4 hours.
Team9nine reply :
On 11/29/2017 at 12:53 PM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:Hasnt Ned mentioned this is a rare occurrence only a few times a year actually? Mindset might be 25 per hour but thats not happening regularly even for him.
Correct, but that doesn't change the approach, which is fish less hours but try to catch as many bass as you can in that shortened time frame. It's not too dissimilar to tournament fishing in that regard. I've reached the 100+ bass target only 4 times, twice using predominantly Midwest Finesse tactics, but I've had dozens and dozens of 60-80 bass days (4 hrs or less) by trying to reach 100.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 11/29/2017 at 11:56 AM, cgolf said:
If I remember indiana uses a sub 4" bit of a zoom of other brand finesse worm and I really like 1/2 an anglers choice wart hawg. 1/2 a senko or senko imitation would work too. I just like the wart hawg because it has the diameter of a finesse worm without the funky worm shape, where finesse worms slim down and puff out at the tail.
A 3-4 inch zoom finesse trick worm can be a great ned rig plastic, but that 3.5-4 inch strike king/zman finesse wormz is deadly. I use it almost as much as half of a zinkerz. Great on a 2/0 1/8 ounce finesse shaky head to.
cgolf reply :
On 11/29/2017 at 10:53 PM, Team9nine said:
Correct, but that doesn't change the approach, which is fish less hours but try to catch as many bass as you can in that shortened time frame. It's not too dissimilar to tournament fishing in that regard. I've reached the 100+ bass target only 4 times, twice using predominantly Midwest Finesse tactics, but I've had dozens and dozens of 60-80 bass days (4 hrs or less) by trying to reach 100.
You guys must have bass that school up like walleyes lol. 25 bass an hour is nuts when you think about it, almost has to be a fish a cast. Have to figure 1-2 minutes to catch and release a fish right, more if it is a toad?
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 11/29/2017 at 11:43 PM, cgolf said:You guys must have bass that school up like walleyes lol. 25 bass an hour is nuts when you think about it, almost has to be a fish a cast. Have to figure 1-2 minutes to catch and release a fish right, more if it is a toad?
I wish.. Kansas fishing actually sucks almost as bad as indiana's, which is in part why Midwest finesse was created. Statistically, Indiana has the worst bass fishing in the country. 25 bass an hour is a lot, (I've never personally reached 100 bass in a 4 hour period, though I did get 99 in about 5.5-6 hours once), but if you hit it right you can do even better. Fastest action that I've ever had was 38 bass in 50 minutes, unfortunately that was the only time I had that day and I left them biting.
Team9nine reply :
On 11/29/2017 at 11:43 PM, cgolf said:You guys must have bass that school up like walleyes lol. 25 bass an hour is nuts when you think about it, almost has to be a fish a cast. Have to figure 1-2 minutes to catch and release a fish right, more if it is a toad?
It sounds nuts until you look at most any states electrofishing results and see them shocking up anywhere between 50-200 bass an hour. You quickly realize catching that many fish isn't quite as impossible as it first might sound, especially when size plays no part in the equation.
On time to C&R, only 15-20 seconds much of the time. Casting and retrieving usually takes up the most time. Hooking, landing and releasing is the easy part.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 11/30/2017 at 12:00 AM, IndianaFinesse said:Statistically, Indiana has the worst bass fishing in the country.
I've only fished Indiana once and I have no problem believing that as fact.
On 11/29/2017 at 11:43 PM, cgolf said:You guys must have bass that school up like walleyes lol. 25 bass an hour is nuts when you think about it, almost has to be a fish a cast. Have to figure 1-2 minutes to catch and release a fish right, more if it is a toad?
Our bass actually rarely school in large numbers except during the summer when the young of the year shad school up, but they're very difficult to catch when that happens. They'll also group up during the winter months, which is when Ned seems to most often hit his goal. I've found them in large schools in the power plant lakes during the winter time.
I think most often it's so effective because our fish feed shallow and our lakes offer little cover so the targets are very obvious so cast-to-catch time is very short. I've noticed in most of my videos that my time from cast to when I release the fish is often no longer than 30 seconds. Even a large fish will be under a minute unless I weigh and/or take pictures of it.
The Bassman reply :
On 11/29/2017 at 10:53 PM, Team9nine said:
Correct, but that doesn't change the approach, which is fish less hours but try to catch as many bass as you can in that shortened time frame. It's not too dissimilar to tournament fishing in that regard. I've reached the 100+ bass target only 4 times, twice using predominantly Midwest Finesse tactics, but I've had dozens and dozens of 60-80 bass days (4 hrs or less) by trying to reach 100.
Someone once said that a kid wants to catch a lot of fish, a young man wants to catch a big fish, and an old man just wants to fish. I can see you're a kid at heart.
Comfortably Numb reply :
Dont forget the type of bait you use has alot to do with weight/sink rate. An Elastec bait they floats will make the 1/16 head closer to 1/32 in the water.
Dorado reply :
On 2/9/2016 at 6:33 AM, Team9nine said:Both will work, but the heavier you go, the more you get away from what makes the rig somewhat unique. Most purists use 1/16 and 1/32-oz heads because they are trying to achieve the "no-feel" retrieve. Instead, try and think of "Ned" more along the lines of weightless wacky or trick worming, and less along the lines of traditional jig or worm fishing. Most times we want our baits just swimming and floating along in the water column, just somewhat shy of neutrally buoyant.
-T9
Perfectly stated right here. Nailed it
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