Livingston Lures... 2024
B_Gilbert reply :
I hate to admit it but I will buy a few of these just to see if the hype is real... However, is it just me or is it weird that they don't have a true medium diver?? The Jr is 4 feet and the master 14 which is obviously 14 feet. Sooo for 8-10 feet they just want you to keep your rod tip up in the air with the master 14??? Seems weird to me... Am I missing something??
moguy1973 reply :
If you really are buying into their technology, the one that helped Howell win the classic is an 8-10' diver but it's not out yet.
gripnrip reply :
The majority of Randy's fish wasn't caught on the Livingston. There has been a big debate over that prototype that he used. I don't doubt that he caught some fish on it but I do believe the DT6 Demon he used won him the Classic. Not the Livingston.
B_Gilbert reply :
I was actually thinking about buying them before the classic but I'm not going to hide it, him throwing it at the classic made me decide to officially try it lol. As pathetic as that sounds I'm sure, I'll give it a try 
On 3/3/2014 at 3:09 AM, gripnrip said:The majority of Randy's fish wasn't caught on the Livingston. There has been a big debate over that prototype that he used. I don't doubt that he caught some fish on it but I do believe the DT6 Demon he used won him the Classic. Not the Livingston.
Grip the majority of his fish were caught on the DT-6, however he culled all but one fish with the Livingston..
TorqueConverter reply :
The lights and croaking noise is pretty gimmicky. I can barely hear the croaking over the sound of the spit rings on my Livingston DD14. I like the Livingston DD22 because it's a DD22 that gets down to 20 feet.
We'll see what Livingston Lures has in store for the future, but as it is now, the baits are "classic plastics" Bill Norman style baits in traditional colors with a faint croaking noise and the occasional red glowing eyes.
They're alright for $9.99 but I wouldn't pay $12 for one.
Dyerbassman reply :
And once the battery wears out, gimmick is over.
Jrob78 reply :
On 3/3/2014 at 3:57 AM, TorqueConverter said:We'll see what Livingston Lures has in store for the future, but as it is now, the baits are "classic plastics" Bill Norman style baits in traditional colors with a faint croaking noise and the occasional red glowing eyes.
They're alright for $9.99 but I wouldn't pay $12 for one.
This is the problem I have with them too. I'm not sold on the sound technology and the baits that are out now wouldn't be something I would pay $12 for if they didn't make noise. If they come out with some baits that I would be willing to buy based on the bait alone, I will probably get some to try out. They are also supposed to be coming out with some swimbaits, same will go for them.
SpencerLittle reply :
On 3/3/2014 at 3:09 AM, gripnrip said:The majority of Randy's fish wasn't caught on the Livingston. There has been a big debate over that prototype that he used. I don't doubt that he caught some fish on it but I do believe the DT6 Demon he used won him the Classic. Not the Livingston.
He did catch his numbers not the dt6, but he culled all his fish except one on the Livingston. He had caught a seven pounder early on the dt6 that he never upgraded.
TorqueConverter reply :
On 3/3/2014 at 4:49 AM, Jrob78 said:This is the problem I have with them too. I'm not sold on the sound technology and the baits that are out now wouldn't be something I would pay $12 for if they didn't make noise. If they come out with some baits that I would be willing to buy based on the bait alone, I will probably get some to try out. They are also supposed to be coming out with some swimbaits, same will go for them.
That crank that aided whatshisface in wining the classic was a JDM looking Livingston bait. Well see if maybe that bait and its colors are good in their own right. If I'm going to trow a gimmicky bait then the gimmick better just be along for the ride like the Storm Arashi "self tuning eye" and "invisible" fluorocarbon.
I feel that the product has to stand on its own two feet and am almost ashamed to admit that I just bought a DD14 and DD22 with blinking lights on them.
Missourifishin reply :
On 3/3/2014 at 12:44 AM, moguy1973 said:If you really are buying into their technology, the one that helped Howell win the classic is an 8-10' diver but it's not out yet.
Yeah, I read that somewhere too. That the prototype he used dove in the 8-10' range.
As for the hype. I'm still on the fence about whether I'll even buy a single one to try out or not.
SpencerLittle reply :
I think they'll catch fish. Whether they catch them better than a normal non noise emitting bait I don't know. My guess is it's a solid bait, but the noise does no better than the rattles that are currently used.
Koofy Smacker reply :
The prototype bait that he was using which didnt have a name at the time was just renamed the "Howeller Dream Master Classic" since his win. It is part of the new Team Livingston series of cranks which have not been released to the public yet but will be later this year. The bait he was fishing was also a true 6-10ft diver which falls right in line with the DT6 and its color is called Guntersville Craw with the same EBS technology found in every other Livingston on the market today.
It is true that he culled every fish except for that first 7lber which he caught on the DT6 and upgraded almost 6 pounds which put him in the winners seat for the classic.
To the responder about the battery, it is guaranteed that it will last for at least 200 hours of in the water time to keep working. There are several baits that have been tank tested for 300+ hours which do still work.
B_Gilbert reply :
My understanding is the lure basically has a hydrowave built in and there are a lot of guys who swear by those... Thats what makes me wonder about it...
SpencerLittle reply :
On 3/3/2014 at 9:01 AM, B_Gilbert said:My understanding is the lure basically has a hydrowave built in and there are a lot of guys who swear by those... Thats what makes me wonder about it...
Yessir I do believe that is the concept they are going for.
bflp3 reply :
I was just reading about how electronic noise makers in lures have difficulty creating a noise that is loud enough to hear over the ambient water noise. I tried shaking a Livingston in a store, I couldn't hear anything. Do they need to be turned on before they make noise?
nowicki2005 reply :
On 3/3/2014 at 10:51 AM, bflp3 said:I was just reading about how electronic noise makers in lures have difficulty creating a noise that is loud enough to hear over the ambient water noise. I tried shaking a Livingston in a store, I couldn't hear anything. Do they need to be turned on before they make noise?
I believe they are water activated. Turn on in the water and go off out of the water.
TorqueConverter reply :
On 3/3/2014 at 10:51 AM, bflp3 said:I was just reading about how electronic noise makers in lures have difficulty creating a noise that is loud enough to hear over the ambient water noise. I tried shaking a Livingston in a store, I couldn't hear anything. Do they need to be turned on before they make noise?
They claim they activate in water. I can take mine and place the hooks up against the body so the the bends of the treble hooks are facing each other and get it to go off. I'm going to place plastic hook protectors over the hooks when in my deep crank box to keep them from going off and killing the batteries.
There is some sensor in the bait that is able to detect the presence of water and it is being fooled by the hooks. Once the croaker is activated it emits the croaking sound as the bait moves. Moving the bait one the croaking has begun causes he bait to continue croaking. Once moment has stopped the bait stops making the croaking noise and then triggers an LED lamp located the head to illuminate the eyes, bill and head portion of the bait.
I guess their intent is to have the things croaking away, albeit quitely, when cranking then stop making the sound and glow red once the bait is paused, bumps bottom ect. I like the hard, robotic like action of DD22s in dirty deep water. The DD22 doesn't quite get down to 20 feet. The dive master 20 is a 20 foot diving DD22 that lights up sometimes.
Kinda neat
Comfortably Numb reply :
Touch both hooks at same time to activate.
The chirps are VERY faint. I could barely hear them when held to my ear. The traditional rattles inside totally drown them out.
I think they should have put stationary weights and not rattles along with the electronic chirp. Maybe they tried that and it was not as effective.
It is a solid quality made bait. But for $12 you can get two or three of a similar lure without the electronics.
I belive a DT10 would have caught the same fish the Livingston did.
TorqueConverter reply :
So the hooks are like leads on a multimeter. Once there is continuity between the leads it completes the circuit.
B_Gilbert reply :
On 3/3/2014 at 10:51 AM, bflp3 said:I was just reading about how electronic noise makers in lures have difficulty creating a noise that is loud enough to hear over the ambient water noise. I tried shaking a Livingston in a store, I couldn't hear anything. Do they need to be turned on before they make noise?
No I believe they have to be in water... But I'm not %100 percent sure...
bflp3 reply :
That's a clever way to save battery. I was suspicious they were a gimic when I saw how hard they were advertising them last year. I'll wait and see on these.
gripnrip reply :
On 3/3/2014 at 12:52 PM, bflp3 said:That's a clever way to save battery. I was suspicious they were a gimic when I saw how hard they were advertising them last year. I'll wait and see on these.
Well up until now, people have thought they are a gimmick. If you looked at other hardbaits in BPS, there were some empty pegs. The Livingstons were stocked. Now that Howell caught a few fish at the classic, they won't be able to keep them on the shelf.
Koofy Smacker reply :
You can touch each hook hanger after wetting your fingers to connect the circuit and get it to go off and do a cycle. Also, the chirps are magnified 10x when actually in the water. It IS faint in air but throw it in a fish tank and youll hear it
blongfishing reply :
I was gonna buy that but mostly wanted the Rapala. Every store was sold out.
Felix77 reply :
My Gander Mountain actually had the DT-6's fully stocked. I bought one just because it was there. Sad but true ... LOL
SPEEDBEAD. reply :
Hey! It's a noisy Laser Lure!
I'll pass.
USAFBassAnglerClark reply :
Ok people, I can shed some light on how they are activated. Each of the little bends where the hook is attached to has a wire touching it. If you touch BOTH of the bends at the same time, it will activate the EBS because your fingers are able to conduct electricity, as does water. They will NOT activate in your box if other cranks are touching.
bass1980 reply :
I wonder how we would really know if he culled 4 fish on the Livingston. His 7 pounder came from the DT6. His bag was 29 pounds and change. So his 4 he culled had to be around 5.5lbs average. It's too bad they didn't show enough footage considering they have gopros. I mean on espn they won't have enough time but on bassmaster.com or gopro site they should just show the whole dang video from start to end.
wakeeater reply :
i bought some livingstons last year & caught some good fish on them. it's one of those things where if you never try them, you'll never know. p.s. don't expect your club rivals to tell you they work, either. 
trickwormmaster reply :
got sucked in. bought the DT-20 version for deep summer bass and the lipless one to try out in the spring. interested to see if there is any difference between this and a KVD red eye shad. doubt it.
Bassguytom reply :
I do well with my KVD SILENT stalker 5XD. Just saying......
Koofy Smacker reply :
On 3/4/2014 at 9:09 AM, trickwormmaster said:got sucked in. bought the DT-20 version for deep summer bass and the lipless one to try out in the spring. interested to see if there is any difference between this and a KVD red eye shad. doubt it.
One of the main differences is actually how it will sit on the bottom if you are yo yoing it. The Livingston will sit standing upright on it's nose while nearly all other lipless cranks lay on their side flat on the bottom. Several ice fishing guys have caught good fish on them so far this winter while it is just sitting down there chirping away
SpencerLittle reply :
On 3/4/2014 at 2:39 AM, bass1980 said:I wonder how we would really know if he culled 4 fish on the Livingston. His 7 pounder came from the DT6. His bag was 29 pounds and change. So his 4 he culled had to be around 5.5lbs average. It's too bad they didn't show enough footage considering they have gopros. I mean on espn they won't have enough time but on bassmaster.com or gopro site they should just show the whole dang video from start to end.
Someone posted a video somewhere on here that had a lot of footage of him using the Livingston. You could clearly see that was the bait he was retieing. It was a different color red then the demon color. You could also tell the difference in the actual bait shape as well.
bass1980 reply :
Yes I've been watching the gopro clips and the classic on espn. There was a point Randy was advertising the lure and the company when he was using the Livingston. My point was he "culled" 4 fish. They all looked the same size on camera. He threw a few fish back in the lake from the Livingston because he knew they wouldn't make the cut. Whether he culled 1 or 4 from the Livigston, a smart business man must endorse the sponsors that are paying him. Like I said he had to be pulling in 5.5 lbers on the Livingston. Those are big fishes.
WIGuide reply :
On 3/3/2014 at 10:51 AM, bflp3 said:I was just reading about how electronic noise makers in lures have difficulty creating a noise that is loud enough to hear over the ambient water noise. I tried shaking a Livingston in a store, I couldn't hear anything. Do they need to be turned on before they make noise?
They are turned on when they contact water and are turned off when pulled out. There are two contact points on the bait, and when it's in the water, the water completes the circuit.
nowicki2005 reply :
The thing I wonder is he could have thrown almost any color/brand crankbait that day it was just a perfect spot/timing.
DevilsAdidas reply :
i've have the pro wake and dd20. havn't used the dd20 yet but the pro wake is a very high quality lure. the croaking is very faint and i'm not sure the red glowing does anything but they are great lures and i will continue to use them once the batteries die. Should last 2 years according to a rep with Livingston. Both of mine were from Fishhound/com back when they were actually quality. i can spend $12 but the one that just won the classic is gonna be $16.... thats a far stretch from decently priced.... i can buy 4 bandits for that.
also the light and croaking can be turned on by shaking the lure as if it were going through the water.
BryanBrown reply :
Preorders now available for $16 !!! no thanks, but for anyone else interested here's the link....
https://www.livingstonlures.com/catalog/freshwater-lures/howeller-dream-master-classic/guntersville-craw
TrapperJ reply :
i bet they sell out ASAP
not one DT6 in Ikes Demon was in stock at BPS last week.
dfris reply :
Funny people will not spend $16 to try a new lure, but spend $15 for Lucky Crafts. what's the difference? I understand the cost, but really $16 is not that much money. Besides the croaking, they seem to be well made excellent action baits. From what I understand, they dive fast to get to their zone quicker, have a wide wobble like a square bill, and seems to be excellent quality, with quality hooks. So why are they not worth $16 when people will spend more on baits that do the same thing with out the croaking?
Just wondering, not trying to start anything.
BryanBrown reply :
Sure more expensive baits equal better quality: paint job, durability, hooks, performance, etc. As far as the livingston technology goes, maybe it works maybe it doesnt. In the end go with your gut.
TorqueConverter reply :
On 3/7/2014 at 11:04 AM, dfris said:Funny people will not spend $16 to try a new lure, but spend $15 for Lucky Crafts. what's the difference? I understand the cost, but really $16 is not that much money. Besides the croaking, they seem to be well made excellent action baits. From what I understand, they dive fast to get to their zone quicker, have a wide wobble like a square bill, and seems to be excellent quality, with quality hooks. So why are they not worth $16 when people will spend more on baits that do the same thing with out the croaking?
Just wondering, not trying to start anything.
They're actually quite generic in their action. The DM14 and DM20 are straight up Norman DD baits. To put that in perspectve, DTs are sub $8.00 baits and have, IMO, a better action that Norman baits. Why should I pay DT money, or more, for a Norman bait?
There are people out there that like the LC baits for their action and durability. I don't like LC baits, but I also bought 2 Livingston baits and had decided I was going to buy them before the Classic. I am disappointed thus far.
The Livingston dream-catcher 9000 looks like a generic JDM type bait. Unless I can see the action, then I'm not touching that thing.
Felix77 reply :
My Gander Mountain was fully stocked with DT-6's in Demon and they were on sale.
They were lucky I didn't buy the whole lot and sell them on e-bay ... LOL
WhiteMike1018 reply :
Actually Randy Howell won the classic throwing a Rapala DT in Demon color, he even released the go-pro video of it...lmao
DevilsAdidas reply :
I am saying $16 for a lure is expensive no matter what the brand is. The hooks on livingston products are really nice and so is the rest of the build. The action on the pro wake was really nice but its a pretty big square bill lure so its going to create lots of action. I don't see the comparison to Norman lures as fair.... there is nothing generic about livingston lures. if there is then there is something generic about almost all lure design and paint schemes.
and yes you have to love when sponsors take charge..... like i'm sure he was using the daiwa tatula 100 reel for most of that tourney instead of the steez..... bunch of crap.
TorqueConverter reply :
I should have bought more $4.88 DT-6s in demon when I had the chance. I could have sold them on ebay like a scalper for upwards of $12.00 a piece.
I don't get the hype behind the DT-6 demon. I love than bait and color but there is no reason why it should be that popular all of the sudden. Mardi Gras DT-6 gets no love.
Missourifishin reply :
On 3/8/2014 at 4:54 AM, WhiteMike1018 said:Actually Randy Howell won the classic throwing a Rapala DT in Demon color, he even released the go-pro video of it...lmao
There is a video of him using the Livingston as well.
Champfishnva reply :
Randy said the dt6 was all he threw at the classic (Ike's colors)
TorqueConverter reply :
On 3/8/2014 at 4:59 AM, DevilsAdidas said:I am saying $16 for a lure is expensive no matter what the brand is. The hooks on livingston products are really nice and so is the rest of the build. The action on the pro wake was really nice but its a pretty big square bill lure so its going to create lots of action. I don't see the comparison to Norman lures as fair.... there is nothing generic about livingston lures. if there is then there is something generic about almost all lure design and paint schemes.
and yes you have to love when sponsors take charge..... like i'm sure he was using the daiwa tatula 100 reel for most of that tourney instead of the steez..... bunch of crap.
Most lure design and paint is very generic. SK, Bandit and Norman are some of the worst offenders in making generic blobs of plastic cranks. Their get out of jail free card is that they are old or "classic" designed baits. This is what the Livingston DM baits are. Classic plastics based heavily on Norman designs with guts full of Livingston's tech.
The BPS Egg looks to be more impressively designed bait than the Pro Wake. If were judging books by their covers, then the Livingston baits are very plain when put beside any JDM type bait or even BPS XPS.
Missourifishin reply :
On 3/8/2014 at 7:27 AM, Champfishnva said:Randy said the dt6 was all he threw at the classic (Ike's colors)
ALL he threw? I don't think he ever said that it was the ONLY thing he used. But here's the video of him using the Livingston anyway:
http://www.bassmaster.com/video/randy-howells-day-3-afternoon-charge
bass1980 reply :
On 3/8/2014 at 7:44 AM, TorqueConverter said:Most lure design and paint is very generic. SK, Bandit and Norman are some of the worst offenders in making generic blobs of plastic cranks. Their get out of jail free card is that they are old or "classic" designed baits. This is what the Livingston DM baits are. Classic plastics based heavily on Norman designs with guts full of Livingston's tech.
The BPS Egg looks to be more impressively designed bait than the Pro Wake. If were judging books by their covers, then the Livingston baits are very plain when put beside any JDM type bait or even BPS XPS.
Current Livingston lures are plain looking, but the one Randy Howell was using was a prototype lure and it is a lot more modern and detailed.
NorthernAnglers reply :
just for fun i bought a cheap crank out of walmart 2 years ago that had the "flashing lights" .... i havnt caught so many hammerhandles and small walleye! lol... but for bass never a single one.
TorqueConverter reply :
The Livingston Lures DM Jr. doesn't light up and the croak is extra, extra quiet. I'd recommend passing on those cranks.
The Livingston Spook type bait is fantastic. The croaking is significantly louder than my DM 14, 20 or DM Jrs and the red light is very bright. I look forward to some warm water night time topwater action with that thing.
E73Bass reply :
On 3/8/2014 at 7:27 AM, Champfishnva said:Randy said the dt6 was all he threw at the classic (Ike's colors)
Really thats what he said:
http://www.bassmaste...fternoon-charge
dam0007 reply :
lhaha he held up the bait "thing keeps croaking.... Put me in coach out me in!" LolololOn 3/22/2014 at 11:25 AM, E73Bass said:Really thats what he said:
http://www.bassmaste...fternoon-charge
bigbill reply :
Ok I'll buy both or a few of each color wise.
The crankbaits, spooks, other hard baits have a unique sound to each different rattle. Some have on big ball, some have three balls. The bomber cranks have multiple tiny balls. The bomber gives off a softer, finer rattle sound. Even stuffin a worm rattle inside a money minnow will work too.
This is what the electronic sound is trying to mimic the rattle or noise of the fleeing baitfish. Now in the smaller places I fish the most sometimes a new different lure will work.
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