Trouble With The Fg Knot 2024
Rhino68W reply :
When I try it the fluorocarbon likes to wrap around the braid sometimes. I assume it's because I have too much tension on my braid mainline. Anybody else experience this?
MickD reply :
I think you are right. I find that method of tying to be difficult, but I'm just starting with that knot, and maybe practice will make perfect.
There is a video on the internet (search "how to tie FG knot video) that shows how to tie it without having to tension the braid. You wrap about 4 times with each braid end, then work it to a tight condition, then do 4 more, follow with the half hitches. That's the medthod I'm going to spend the most time with. You may have to watch a number of videos to find the one I mean, but they all add understanding to how to tie the knot.
A-Jay reply :
That knot is a PIA, a Waste of time and Complete over Kill for Bass fishing.
I fish at night a ton and I can't imagine trying to tie that mother in the dark . . .
I just use a uni to uni.
Simple - Easy to tie & it works.
A-Jay
ChrisD46 reply :
I'm thinking now - what ever Aaron Martens is using to connect braid to FC leader is what I will use !!
Last I researched - A Mart was using a double uni ...
Silas reply :
Crazy Alberto a piece of cake!
I can tie it in the boat easily.
Chris at Tech reply :
On 7/18/2015 at 5:36 AM, A-Jay said:That knot is a PIA, a Waste of time and Complete over Kill for Bass fishing.
I fish at night a ton and I can't imagine trying to tie that mother in the dark . . .
I just use a uni to uni.
Simple - Easy to tie & it works.
A-Jay
That about sums up my thoughts as well...
SirSnookalot reply :
On 7/18/2015 at 6:54 AM, Chris at Tech said:That about sums up my thoughts as well...
Mine too.
Glenn reply :
Double uni. 'Nuff said.
paleus reply :
I could never get the FG to hold. Been using the Alberto for years now and never had a failure.
Smokinal reply :
On 7/18/2015 at 5:36 AM, A-Jay said:That knot is a PIA, a Waste of time and Complete over Kill for Bass fishing.
I fish at night a ton and I can't imagine trying to tie that mother in the dark . . .
I just use a uni to uni.
Simple - Easy to tie & it works.
A-Jay
Yup. Plenty of other proven knots that are a ton easier to tie than that contraption; uni-uni, blood, Albright...
MickD reply :
Double unis are very good easy to tie correctly, they are reliable, but too big to go through micros smoothly. Regarding the original question (OK to get back to that?), I think the lighter your leader the more likely what you experience will happen. The heavier the leader the more likely the braid will lay properly. I think the FG shines when you are using a fairly heavy, stiff, leader. For the lighter florocarbons the double uni will probably clear the micros well enough. But not as smoothly as the FG. By the way, not everyone agrees with the reliability accolades given to the Albright and Alberto.
S Hovanec reply :
On 7/18/2015 at 5:36 AM, A-Jay said:... Complete over Kill for Bass fishing
Bass fishermen doing something overkill? Say it ain't so! Lol
40 rod and reel combos under the deck of a 21' 250hp boat with more GPS's, computers and bigger screens than it takes to launch the space shuttle?
Darren. reply :
On 7/18/2015 at 5:36 AM, A-Jay said:That knot is a PIA, a Waste of time and Complete over Kill for Bass fishing.
I fish at night a ton and I can't imagine trying to tie that mother in the dark . . .
I just use a uni to uni.
Simple - Easy to tie & it works.
A-Jay
My conclusion, as well, but I'll use the Albright and/or uni-uni.
The FG may work fine on heavier braid + heavier leader. But it
is still a PITA to tie.
I tried it on 10 and 15 pound PP with a 15 lb hybrid leader.
Yeah. No. Looked like a broken finger by the time I was done.
It held, but was absolutely not worth the effort at my desk and
most certainly not worth the effort to tie while out in my kayak.
Chris at Tech reply :
On 7/19/2015 at 2:28 AM, S Hovanec said:Bass fishermen doing something overkill? Say it ain't so! Lol
40 rod and reel combos under the deck of a 21' 250hp boat with more GPS's, computers and bigger screens than it takes to launch the space shuttle?
Only 40? You must be new 
A-Jay reply :
On 7/19/2015 at 3:00 AM, Chris at Tech said:Only 40? You must be new
A-Jay
A-Jay reply :
On 7/19/2015 at 2:28 AM, S Hovanec said:Bass fishermen doing something overkill? Say it ain't so! Lol
40 rod and reel combos under the deck of a 21' 250hp boat with more GPS's, computers and bigger screens than it takes to launch the space shuttle?
Good one.
I hear you but that bugger is taking to another lever.
I retie often - just because I can.
That plan would be out the window - I'm one (maybe) and done rigth there.
More is not better in fact I'll offer that less is best.
And if you can't tie a knot - tie a lot . . . .
A-Jay
S Hovanec reply :
On 7/19/2015 at 3:30 AM, A-Jay said:
A-Jay
Only 5 in there today! For both me and the wife!
B@ssCrzy reply :
On 7/18/2015 at 12:44 AM, Rhino68W said:When I try it the fluorocarbon likes to wrap around the braid sometimes. I assume it's because I have too much tension on my braid mainline. Anybody else
experience this?
When I tried first tying it the "easy" way like that video on youtube said it was a mess. I had the same issues as you. Big Angry Fish TV does a great youtube video and it helped me a lot. I respect Ajay and his views, but have to disagree. Yes it does take a long time to tie, but the more you do it the easier it gets. I used to use the modified albrecht and hated it. Lost so many lures from the knot breaking or slipping and almost gave up on using fluoro because of it (was fine with mono). I then tried the FG and can't be happier. It goes through my micro guides great and is very strong. Don't give up on it!
Further North reply :
On 7/18/2015 at 5:36 AM, A-Jay said:That knot is a PIA, a Waste of time and Complete over Kill for Bass fishing.
For you, maybe...not for others...
einscodek reply :
I use the FG only cause I need to for braid to high# fluoro for my big baits else they go flyin.. otherwise for normal fishing uni-uni is easy and just fine.. and yea I cant see myself field-tying the FG.. its too time consuming and needs to be done slowly carefully and right.
For the FG to properly keep its grip, you need to tension the braid..
S Hovanec reply :
I tied 4 perfect Uni-Uni knots today in less time than it took to watch the FG how-to vid. I believe in 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it!'
A-Jay reply :
On 7/19/2015 at 10:25 AM, Further North said:For you, maybe...not for others...
Fair enough.
In my defense, I signed the post A-Jay, not Others.
A-Jay (look at that, I did it again)
Further North reply :
No need to defend - I understood that.
I'd just hate to see someone skip at least trying the FG knot based on a declaration...I find it much easier to tie than the blood knot, or back to back uni, a lot stronger and that it goes through guides (especially micro guides) better...so it works for me.
...but keep in mind that most of my leaders are fairly heavy fluoro or wire as I live where most of the water is infested with large toothy fish )thank God!). I think the FG ties much better on heavier line.
masterbass reply :
I was able to tie the FG perfectly once. The other 2 attempts were not successful. I like the looks of it and it is a slimmer knot, but it is a pain.
Kyle46N reply :
The point that seems to always be missed in regard to the FG.....the knot is much slimmer than the others. And it goes through micro guides much easier. Debate all you want about the difficulty in tying it ( I agree it's more difficult than others), but that's not the reason I'm trying a new knot in the first place. The slim profile is the reason I'm giving it a shot. And to me that's worth taking the time to learn the dang thing.
A-Jay reply :
On 7/20/2015 at 1:46 AM, Kyle46N said:The point that seems to always be missed in regard to the FG.....the knot is much slimmer than the others. And it goes through micro guides much easier. Debate all you want about the difficulty in tying it ( I agree it's more difficult than others), but that's not the reason I'm trying a new knot in the first place. The slim profile is the reason I'm giving it a shot. And to me that's worth taking the time to learn the dang thing.
I'll agree that's a valid point. And I'll offer you this. ANY knot that if launched through a set of guides over & over & over again is going to suffer a certain amount of physical damage - regardless of how "Slim" it is.
And if it is not changed or re-tied regularly - It Will Eventually Fail. This is why I re-tie often. And hopefully I do it Before the Failure. So using a knot that is effective & not hard to tie, inspires me to re-tie when I should. Where one that is a complicated long drawn out process - does not.
And for those super lucky anglers who are willing to report that they have never had a leader knot fail during casting - All I can say is, you're not fishing enough.
A-Jay
Kyle46N reply :
Is that A-Jay's opinion......or the "others" ?
A-Jay reply :
On 7/20/2015 at 2:12 AM, Kyle46N said:Is that A-Jay's opinion......or the "others" ?
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
"Others" opinions can be found in the remaining 1,745,625 posts. (I subtracted mine)
A-Jay
Team9nine reply :
Have been playing with the FG knot some since it first posted. Have had some mixed results from the standpoint of it not seeming to hold right with some of the braid leader connections I've tried. Haven't figured out if the smaller diameter lines I use are part of the problem or not. No problem with stuff like 30# braid and 17-20# fluoro. When I get a setup that holds though, it is solid. Going to keep playing with it more. For everything else there is the Alberto. I've basically been tying the FG at home right before a trip and leave it at that. If I have to retie a connection on the water, then the Alberto gets the call. It almost never fails.
-T9
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
And all this and no DDOn 7/19/2015 at 2:28 AM, S Hovanec said:Bass fishermen doing something overkill? Say it ain't so! Lol
40 rod and reel combos under the deck of a 21' 250hp boat with more GPS's, computers and bigger screens than it takes to launch the space shuttle?
SirSnookalot reply :
On 7/20/2015 at 8:16 AM, A-Jay said:That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
"Others" opinions can be found in the remaining 1,745,625 posts. (I subtracted mine)
A-Jay
2 opinions.
Is the FG knot useless, no but I don't need it. I haven't found I need anything stronger than an Albright, Alberto or a Bristol. Doing quite a bit of saltwater fishing I put a fresh leader on for each outing, wear and tear isn't an issue. I leave my freshwater leaders on quite a while before I change, no wear tear there either and I don't always check them.
My knot only needs to be slim enough to go thru the guides and if there is a problem it's only the top guide, which can easily be changed but I haven't seen the need to do so. I don't even see the point to micro guides, so the super thinness of the FG is an exercise in futility for me.
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