Seaguar Kanzen Braid 2024
Midnight Splash2 reply :
Has anyone tried this new line out yet? Ive been using Power Pro and Suffix 832 but am thinking about ordering some of this to try out.
baluga reply :
Try it out. Let us know how it compares to 832. FYI, as per specs the dia is thicker for the 30# rating, it's 10# mono dia equivalent compared to 8# mono dia equivalent of 832 for the same 30# rating.
Hooligan reply :
Yes, I have been. It's my preference in braid at this point.
baluga reply :
can you tell why you like it and how does it compare to 832?
Midnight Splash2 reply :
On 8/6/2011 at 5:08 AM, baluga said:Try it out. Let us know how it compares to 832. FYI, as per specs the dia is thicker for the 30# rating, it's 10# mono dia equivalent compared to 8# mono dia equivalent of 832 for the same 30# rating.
I was just about to order some until I saw the specs. I need new braid for my Curado 50E. I like the 40lb PP thickness on that reel(.33 mm). The 40lb Kanzen is .285 mm which is even thinner then 832s 30lb at .29 mm. I think that may be a little too thin for my liking. The Kanzen 50lb(.37 mm) is thicker then the 832 50lb(.34 mm) and the PP 50lb(.36). That is probaly too thick to put on a 50E. I do however have a 50 dollar gift card to Academy. They have the 200E7's for $139.99. That 50lb Kanzen would fit nicely on one of those. 
Hooligan reply :
On 8/6/2011 at 5:41 AM, baluga said:can you tell why you like it and how does it compare to 832?
The reason I've continued to fish it is that it has very high fiber density. It hasn't loosened like 832 or like PowerPro. It's also very smooth, nearly as smooth as 832. While it's not absolutely silent in the guides, it's also not a bandsaw, either. It's extremely slick and manageable in comparison to other braids. It has far better abrasion resistance than any other braid I've fished, far better than 832. The color is relatively fast, it hasn't begun to bleed and fade as yet. It's got very good behaviour on the spool as well. I'm fishing it in 40 and 50 and it lays perfectly.
baluga reply :
Cool, I may have to try it soon. Thanks for the info! 
BassThumb reply :
On 8/6/2011 at 9:03 AM, Hooligan said:The reason I've continued to fish it is that it has very high fiber density. It hasn't loosened like 832 or like PowerPro. It's also very smooth, nearly as smooth as 832. While it's not absolutely silent in the guides, it's also not a bandsaw, either. It's extremely slick and manageable in comparison to other braids. It has far better abrasion resistance than any other braid I've fished, far better than 832. The color is relatively fast, it hasn't begun to bleed and fade as yet. It's got very good behaviour on the spool as well. I'm fishing it in 40 and 50 and it lays perfectly.
That sounds about perfect! I'm gonna have to give it a try.
Hooligan reply :
The single, most important thing that I've found with it is to tie a San Diego or Pitzen. I have had the knots slip with it when I tied other knots. Tie the SD and you're fine.
Fat-G reply :
How did the Palomar do? Might get some 40# for a finesse rig.
Hooligan reply :
On 8/7/2011 at 9:19 AM, Fat-G said:How did the Palomar do? Might get some 40# for a finesse rig.
I slipped a palomar twice on it. Lost one frog, and on the next left a longer tag to see if it was, indeed, slipping. Landed about a three pounder and the tag had almost pulled through.
BassThumb reply :
I'm curious how the Double Palomar would hold up. I've never seen one of those slip.
dodgeguy reply :
you should alaways crazy glue knots with braid.it keeps the tag end neat and it will never slip.
Hooligan reply :
On 8/8/2011 at 1:36 AM, dodgeguy said:you should alaways crazy glue knots with braid.it keeps the tag end neat and it will never slip.
And yet, if I tie a knot that doesn't slip it eliminates the extra step of gluing it. Glue is a crutch, tie better knots and you won't have to deal with it.
Fat-G reply :
On 8/8/2011 at 9:00 AM, Hooligan said:And yet, if I tie a knot that doesn't slip it eliminates the extra step of gluing it. Glue is a crutch, tie better knots and you won't have to deal with it.
I'm speaking for myself, and probably a lot of others here as well, I retie a lot, so waiting for the glue to dry is pointless. Just tie a good know like Hooligan suggested.
HOIST-N-HAWGS reply :
I would assume that the Kenzen is similar to Power Pro's Super 8 Slick. I spooled up Slick in 50lb, normally I'll use 65lb. Loved the silence of the product, as well as how it just flew through the guides. Unfortunately, it broke twice in 20 minutes while flipping to wood, on branches that might have been a 1/4" in diameter. That was he end of that! Maybe I'll give the 65lb a try.
With our understanding of colors and water clarity, I'm curious to know why both Seagar and PP chose a chartreuse-ish color for their new super lines. Not that this was a scientific test or anything, but my buddy was badly out fishing me with regular PP. As soon as I switched to regular PP, and Toray Super Hard Upgrade, I instantly started catching fish in the same spots I was just getting skunked in. I understand PP promotes Slick for specific applications as to blend with vegetation, the brown for wood etc. But seriously, how many fisherman can afford to swap out $50 braid every time the cover we fish changes.
dodgeguy reply :
On 8/8/2011 at 9:00 AM, Hooligan said:And yet, if I tie a knot that doesn't slip it eliminates the extra step of gluing it. Glue is a crutch, tie better knots and you won't have to deal with it.
i use the glue to keep the tag end neat.the fact that it glues the knot is a bonus.
dodgeguy reply :
On 10/29/2011 at 7:17 PM, HOIST-N-HAWGS said:I would assume that the Kenzen is similar to Power Pro's Super 8 Slick. I spooled up Slick in 50lb, normally I'll use 65lb. Loved the silence of the product, as well as how it just flew through the guides. Unfortunately, it broke twice in 20 minutes while flipping to wood, on branches that might have been a 1/4" in diameter. That was he end of that! Maybe I'll give the 65lb a try.
With our understanding of colors and water clarity, I'm curious to know why both Seagar and PP chose a chartreuse-ish color for their new super lines. Not that this was a scientific test or anything, but my buddy was badly out fishing me with regular PP. As soon as I switched to regular PP, and Toray Super Hard Upgrade, I instantly started catching fish in the same spots I was just getting skunked in. I understand PP promotes Slick for specific applications as to blend with vegetation, the brown for wood etc. But seriously, how many fisherman can afford to swap out $50 braid every time the cover we fish changes.
that's why they make permanent markers.
dodgeguy reply :
On 8/8/2011 at 9:08 AM, Fat-G said:I'm speaking for myself, and probably a lot of others here as well, I retie a lot, so waiting for the glue to dry is pointless. Just tie a good know like Hooligan suggested.
the glue is for the tag end not getting frayed.btw,you just put liquid crazy glue on it and blow on it and it's good to go.there is no waiting to dry.
HOIST-N-HAWGS reply :
On 10/30/2011 at 3:28 AM, dodgeguy said:that's why they make permanent markers.
Unfortunately, markers don't work with the new coating on the Super Slick. 
baluga reply :
permanent markers contain solvents may cause the braid to break easily.
SirSnookalot reply :
There is no need for glue. I use an improved clinch knot double wrapped, does not pull thru and the tag end can be cut very short. I actually picked up that tip watching a saltwater tv show fishing on the flats, it works great and I use that knot all the time in every fishing venue.
Another way to avoid any kind of fraying on your tag end is to singe the braid after it's cut, puts a little nib on the end, they do make battery operated tools, but I use a bic. In all honesty I don't think fraying on a short tag end is going to reduce the amount of strikes.
philsoreel reply :
On 10/30/2011 at 3:28 AM, dodgeguy said:that's why they make permanent markers.
Uh oh! Someone that doesn't believe line visibility is a factor just made a Freudian Slip. LOL! Gotcha Dodge
As far as Kanzen goes, if they somehow made a braid that Hooligan actually likes it must be something to it because I've never heard him say he likes a braid before.
pitchinthejig reply :
On 8/8/2011 at 9:00 AM, Hooligan said:And yet, if I tie a knot that doesn't slip it eliminates the extra step of gluing it. Glue is a crutch, tie better knots and you won't have to deal with it.
Hit the nail on the head with that comment..
dodgeguy reply :
On 11/1/2011 at 7:28 AM, baluga said:permanent markers contain solvents may cause the braid to break easily.
i've never had that issue
dodgeguy reply :
On 11/1/2011 at 1:25 PM, SirSnookalot said:There is no need for glue. I use an improved clinch knot double wrapped, does not pull thru and the tag end can be cut very short. I actually picked up that tip watching a saltwater tv show fishing on the flats, it works great and I use that knot all the time in every fishing venue.
Another way to avoid any kind of fraying on your tag end is to singe the braid after it's cut, puts a little nib on the end, they do make battery operated tools, but I use a bic. In all honesty I don't think fraying on a short tag end is going to reduce the amount of strikes.
singeing the knot tag anf glue do the same thing.like i said i glue to keep the tag end neat.the glue that gets on the knot and holds it is just a benefit.i think it's easier to shut a glue bottle than find a place for a hot iron to cool.
Skeet22 reply :
Give Sunlin FX2 a try. I've used 832 and Power Pro mostly and this is my favorite by far.
deep reply :
I bought a 150 yd spool of Kanzen in 50 lb test (slightly thicker than 12 lb Sufix mono) to try out. I fished it for about 2.5 hours today, and I'm not very impressed, considering that it's priced similar to the Daiwa Samurai. While it's probably a better alternative to Power Pro and/or Spiderwire, I'm not sure I'll buy another spool of this when I run out of Samurai.
The good:
It seems to be of higher density than Samurai.
It doesn't like to dig in the spool, although I didn't catch a fish or have a backlash to really test this hypothesis.
The bad:
The color bleeds, in spite of application of KVD L&L. The bleeding is probably not as bad as on Samurai, but it does bleed.
Being used to Samurai, the Kanzen is quite rough to the touch. It's also noisy coming through the guides.
Casting distance was quite bad for the first few casts. The line did break in after 50 odd casts, even though it was still noisy.
roadwarrior reply :
On 8/7/2011 at 9:01 AM, Hooligan said:The single, most important thing that I've found with it is to tie a San Diego or Pitzen. I have had the knots slip with it when I tied other knots. Tie the SD and you're fine.
I'm a big fan of the SD for braided line!
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