That is the consensus of most of the fisherman I've talked to on my little local lake/pond.
Big musky in the lake and everyone complains that they eat the stock trout and bass. Someone supposedly even snagged one and gutted 3 trout out of it (and heaven forbid one was a golden rainbow). Everyone threatens to throw em on the bank or cut their heads off and they "jest don't git" why they were put in....
Like a small lake full of tiny bluegill and trout belly up in summer is a good idea...what should I do...call dnr if I see someone killing one?
Man I would kill to catch a musky, especially a big one!!! And people just want to kill them off like that, call DNR on them man.
You will never please everyone. Some people have a very narrow vision of what should be swimming in "their" waters. Good thing we have a commission that stocks fish or no one would have much. Throwing a game fish up on the bank.....believe its against the law. Go to Oregon....if it's not a salmon, trout, or steelhead it doesn't belong in the water for the most part!!!
Tight Lines
I never understood that mentality either. Around here i see people tossing chain pickerel on the bank because they kill everything apparently and God forbid if they catch a bowfin.....those get dispatched too even though they have been around sicne the age of the dinosaurs pretty much.
To me calling DNR to get educated on why they where stocked and mention the problem would be ok. But I would think the most powerful thing you could do would be to spread an accurate and we'll educated opinion when talking with other fisherman on the subject.
What hell did the Musky do, right. I wouldn't mind getting one as long as my line or rod holds
Tell them to find another lake.
One man's trash fish is another's trophy
On 5/9/2014 at 5:17 AM, flyfisher said:I never understood that mentality either. Around here i see people tossing chain pickerel on the bank because they kill everything apparently and God forbid if they catch a bowfin.....those get dispatched too even though they have been around sicne the age of the dinosaurs pretty much.
When i was a kid, I would throw Bowfin AKA Mudfish on the bank. As an adult, I would never do it again.
I have only caught a few bowfin and they are a blast to catch. Still trying to get one on a fly rod though and hopefully I can in the near future.
Have to admit bowfin put up such a fun fight. Its an absolute joy to catch.
Im not anti toothy critter...however the way i see it they owe me sime good money for bitten off lures.
Why cant they eat the cheap ones? Lol
If someones going to kill them, I say eat them. Never had musky but pike are quite tasty
I caught a bowfin on 8lb mono, no leader and I thought I had just won the local tournament..Nope, that wasn't a bass but really fun to catch and I was amazed I didn't lose my lure. Really strange because I was using a top water frog. Ever since I've actually gone out of my way to catch them and there's even a tournament here this Saturday for them and Pike.
On 5/9/2014 at 7:28 AM, ColdSVT said:Why cant they eat the cheap ones? Lol
They will if you throw'em
I would only kill exotics that might tilt the balance of natural bodies of water. The snakehead is a perfect example. The Florida Fish and Game tell you to kill everyone you catch. Don't throw them back. By killing natural predators it might lead to an over population of other fish, and cause major problems in the lake environment.
Some of the places I bank fish I sometimes find pike/pickerel heads. It annoys me. Sometimes a pike or pickerel is the difference between a skunk or not. I'm happy to catch toothy fish, even though I don't target them. Different way of thinking I guess. I'll never understand it.
I have caught a lot of musky. I have also caught a lot without a leader including a few big ones on accident. I could count the time I have been bitten off in all honesty.
On 5/9/2014 at 7:49 AM, tomustang said:They will if you throw'em
Lol not the ones in my local lake. Speakin of which i know a lot of musky baits can get steeeeeeep .
Kill a musky around my neck of the woods and you might get killed yourself.
In my neck of the woods there are no teethy critters, but Tamaulipas is alligator gar country and it's a blast, even a little one puts up a nice fight.
If God put them there they belong. I'd rather be catching the biggest, baddest fish around. Pike yes, but I won't ever fish for muskie again. A muskie is a magnificent beast, but it lacks stamina and it must be landed quickly or run the risk of it going belly up. Everyone likes to catch big so I can understand muskie fishing, I did plenty of it when I lived in Michigan, I can be a bit cavalier because I have bigger fish here in Florida. The same rules apply, if the fish may not make it you have to break it off. I had good sized tarpon maybe about 70# last week, after about 30 minutes I decided to break it off, I know I could have landed it but it wasn't worth risking the fish for a picture.
They steal my lures, have sent me to the hospital with nasty cuts and bites..............And I still like them. They fight better than bass, sometimes they are ON FIRE when the bass are not and it makes for an action packed day, and they are the top of the food chain. They help keep everything in balance. I have kicked people out of my boat that purposly abused one.....yeah...I fished with a guy once he caught one, smashed it's head on the side of my boat. I calmly put my road down and stowed the TM, he put his down too thinking we were probably moving, straight back to the ramp we went, and I told him get the "f" out of my boat and never ask to go fishing with me again. He looked at me dumfounded, and I repeated myself, and told him why, he thought I was joking....................until his tackle bag went flying up onto the shore spilling the entire contents. I just have ZERO tolerance for people like this, and if I saw it happening one shore with any fish, bass.pike, bullheads, bluegill.....what ever there would most likely be an altercation. I honestly don't know what you can legally do tho......if they have a fishing license, the fish are in season, and of keeper size, it might be a lost cause. Call the DEC or DNR of your are and find out....I don't advocate being a hot head like me, it could end badly. Someone who treats animals/fish like this might not have second thoughts about making you the next target.
I love catching chain pickerel. We get some BEASTS here too... They are great fighters and although I've never eaten one, I would if I gilled one. They look like they have great fillets, especially when they get 20"+
The only fish I would intentionally and consistently remove from waters would be a snakehead, but we don't have any up here... yet.
If it belongs or was stocked there it was done for a reason. Bass around my area of the country eat plenty of trout, so toothy critters aren't the only ones. I don't kill anything that belongs in there, we don't have snakeheads, but I could see the exception there as they aren't supposed to be there. But pike, pickerel, and musky, well California doesn't have any of these, but have stripers that invade lots of our waters, eat a lot of trout and other fish, yet we don't throw them up on the bank. Sounds like someone needs to educate those anglers that would do something like that....and calling the DNR could help as well.
I only want to kill them when they take my good baits.
That's enough for me to go swim after them and strangle them!
On 5/9/2014 at 4:58 AM, Montanaro said:Everyone threatens to throw em on the bank or cut their heads off and they "jest don't git" why they were put in....
On 5/9/2014 at 5:10 AM, AK-Jax86 said:Man I would kill to catch a musky, especially a big one!!! And people just want to kill them off like that, call DNR on them man.
Come up to WI and we'll get you hooked into a good one!
You missed it. This animation was in response to "jest don't git". My reference was from an episode of South Park.
I was about to pull out my newly setup first successful spinner bait when a 32" pickerel came parallel to the shoreline with 1/3 of his head and body out of the water on the rocks and ripped my spinner bait off my line as it was inches from the water at the waters edge. My jaw dropped and I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I was in shock. I don't hate picketed, pike or Muskies there probably the best game fish to catch. I love there fight.
I prefer to catch bass but these toothy critters are welcome to bite too. These big pickerel can be feisty too.
While I doubt the musky were natural to that lake, they were introduced for a reason. Whether it was for the sportfishermen, or to controll numbers of other species makes no difference.
I would say report them if you witness the butchering and at the very least say something to the offender. I guarantee you any trout fisherman that saw you butchering a trout and leaving it for the scavengers wouldn't hesitate to report you AND give you a piece of their uppetty mind
On 5/9/2014 at 5:17 AM, flyfisher said:I never understood that mentality either. Around here i see people tossing chain pickerel on the bank because they kill everything apparently and God forbid if they catch a bowfin.....those get dispatched too even though they have been around sicne the age of the dinosaurs pretty much.
sometimes a 10lb bowfin makes a fishing trip......
IMHO, folks should focus more on the vegatation that they transplant from one lake to another. The lake we fished today (Western Branch in Suffolk VA) has lily pads and hydrilla sprouting in places we've never seen.... not good....
I recently watched my buddy catch a 26 inch bowfin on a 1/4 oz humdinger on 12lb test with a 6'6 M/F rod. We had already hooked onto multiple 3 and 4 lb bass that day and for a minute he thought he had a big ole momma. Fun to catch, disappointing to land! Haha.
A little lake I bass fish once in awhile is also a very popular crappie lake and MODC happens to stock muskie in it as well. Of course some of the crappie guys need an excuse for those days they can't find any crappie in the maze of trees so they blame the muskie (even though the large population of above average sized bass surely eats more of them). The popular thing to do is rip the gills out of any muskie caught and put it back, but apparently it isn't 100% effective, thankfully . This one blasted a buzzbait at boatside, gave a hard pulling fight, then swam away strong all despite it's gills being torn out and hanging out on one side.
I want the biggest, hardest fighting fish mother nature is going to give me. If there is a choice I'd rather catch a mean 30# fish over an 8# bass anytime.
That passes me off blue. Animal cruelty.
I think its interesting how depending on where you go in the world people always seems to have a "trash" fish. Europe for example loves the carp, it is considered a prized and highly sought after catch. But carp here in America are often considered a trash fish.
I have had the opportunity to fish up in Canada a few times and always loved catching the pike, but alas several Canadians I spoke to considered it a trash fish. Of course the Canadians were far to polite to rip out their gills or harm the fish. They just tossed it back and tried again.
Heck, even 100 years ago the bass was considered an unrefined low class fish, the trout was king in America. It took extensive stocking efforts and a few key people to stand up for bass and see them for what they are...a highly adaptive predatory machine!
I find the discussion of trash fish very interesting. Trash is something that YOU don't want, I don't think any fish are trash, only the attitude is trash. A so called trash may be a great fight, excellent table fare or used for cut bait. One could not convince a die hard fly trout fisherman that anything tops that, stripers guys on Long Island feel their fish is the best, many bass guys feel bass is the greatness gamefish. Trash or gamefish to me a great fish is one that I can't catch everyday, one that takes me quite a while to land and after it's landed I don't want another, I'm too whacked out.
Well, I think there are a lot of "trash fish" that should be eliminated from all waters.
Snakehead and Asian Carp are at the top of the list. I would add drum, suckers and
spotted bass to the group. I very rarely run into European carp or gar, but they probably
belong on the list, too.
I'd like to see the invasive species eliminated, don't think it will happen. May as well enjoy them, snakeheads I hear are wonderful to eat, I can attest they are very feisty fighting fish. I don't want to see native fish eliminated, mother nature put them here for a reason.