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Russ E reply :
I was flipping through cable channels, while digesting supper, and stumbled across a show called monster carp on the world fishing network channel.
I usually don't watch this channel, but this title caught my attention.
As a Bass fisherman I was intrigued a show was dedicated to one of the most despised fish in America.
The show was based in England. They obviously hold carp at a higher status than most Americans do.
I guess it depends on where you live and what is available.
To me a carp is a smelly bugle lipped trash fish. I am usually not to happy when I snag one.
Maybe I am a spoiled American, but I am just glad to Live in a country where carp are not the only option.
ratherbfishin1 reply :
On 3/1/2019 at 9:06 AM, Russ E said:I was flipping through channels, while digesting supper, and stumbled across a show called monster carp on the world fishing network channel.
I usually don't watch this channel, but this title caught my attention.
As a Bass fisherman I was intrigued a show was dedicated to one of the most despised fish in America.
The show was based in England. They obviously hold carp at a higher status than most Americans do.
I guess it depends on where you live and what is available.
To me a carp is a smelly bugle lipped trash fish. I am usually not to happy when I snag one.
Maybe I am a spoiled American, but I am just glad to Live in a country where carp are not the only option.
Dang, that took me a minute, I was picturing you flipping a jig through a waterway... I was like “how does that relate to digesting supper in any way?”????
Anyways, I agree with you, they seem like trash fish to me. Hard for me to imagine creating a show around it. We are probably just spoiled to have the best kind of fish (bass) swimming in most ponds, lakes, and rivers here. ????
Team9nine reply :
There is a dedicated sub-culture of serious carp anglers here in the states. Their level of angling technology and specialization is on par with that of bass anglers. Carp, in general, are much "smarter" or more "aware" than bass are, and they are fun to catch when intentionally targeted. If you want to learn how to land bass on light line, free line some bread or corn on a local carp pond and find out what your equipment and angling skills can really handle. Once you learn how to whip 10-20 pound carp on your finesse gear and 4-6 pound line, no bass you hook is likely to ever scare you 
Glaucus reply :
Every country/continent/region has its own sport fish. I'm glad ours is bass. The only other fish here in the US that I would care to intentionally target is catfish and crappie. Carp gross me out so much. Drum too. If I accidentally get one my body is repulsed to have to touch it.
Russ E reply :
On 3/1/2019 at 9:35 AM, Team9nine said:There is a dedicated sub-culture of serious carp anglers here in the states. Their level of angling technology and specialization is on par with that of bass anglers. Carp, in general, are much "smarter" or more "aware" than bass are, and they are fun to catch when intentionally targeted. If you want to learn how to land bass on light line, free line some bread or corn on a local carp pond and find out what your equipment and angling skills can really handle. Once you learn how to whip 10-20 pound carp on your finesse gear and 4-6 pound line, no bass you hook is likely to ever scare you
Some of my first fishing experiences were carp fishing in eastern Iowa rivers with corn and a mystery doughbait my grandpa used to make. We always had fun. Somewhere along the way carp has taken a backseat to other gamefish.
On 3/1/2019 at 9:22 AM, ratherbfishin1 said:Dang, that took me a minute, I was picturing you flipping a jig through a waterway... I was like “how does that relate to digesting supper in any way?”????
Anyways, I agree with you, they seem like trash fish to me. Hard for me to imagine creating a show around it. We are probably just spoiled to have the best kind of fish (bass) swimming in most ponds, lakes, and rivers here. ????
Didn't notice until you mentioned it. I edited the first sentence to hopefully make more sense
BoatSquirrel reply :
On 3/1/2019 at 9:35 AM, Team9nine said:If you want to learn how to land bass on light line, free line some bread or corn on a local carp pond and find out what your equipment and angling skills can really handle.
Used to walk down to the floating docks in Ft. Loudon Lake behind Neyland Stadium in Knoxville and carp fish as a bored indigent college boy. Better have your hand on your rod or a carp will ****** it right into the lake- seen it happen! Then its game on and you will learn or else!
thedilettantedad reply :
On 3/1/2019 at 9:54 AM, Glaucus said:Every country/continent/region has its own sport fish. I'm glad ours is bass. The only other fish here in the US that I would care to intentionally target is catfish and crappie. Carp gross me out so much. Drum too. If I accidentally get one my body is repulsed to have to touch it.
Salmon? Trout?
Glaucus reply :
On 3/1/2019 at 10:17 AM, thedilettantedad said:Salmon? Trout?
No.
I could target pike, muskie, and walleye too. Can't believe I forgot about them.
scaleface reply :
I love carp fishing . Spent many years sitting on a river bank , listening to the st louis cardinals , drinking beer and catching carp . My grandpa got me started . Thats him on the left .
scaleface reply :
I remember making carp bait with grandpa the night before . I think we mixed 1 cup flour , 1 cup oatmeal , 1 cup corn meal , 1 tbsp salt , 1 tblp sugar . Mix it together with some water then make 2 or 3 pattys . Boil the pattys in water for three minutes , then cut into bite sized squares . Refrigerate until ready to go . We made catfish bait too .
Heres my mom catching a carp .
spokey9 reply :
I usually carry a slice of bread or 2 when I go fishing in any lake with big carp. If I'm having a tough day tgen I'm not too proud to toss out for a big gold fish lol. I like catching fish and for the most part I'll switch up based on what's biting for the day, whatever it may be. About the only thing that swim I won't target is trout in fly only waters. And that's only cause if you can imagine Harry potter drunk off his backside, while having a seizure waving his wand around...then you got a pretty good idea how I look trying to cast a bug stick
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Heartland reply :
I spent a lot of summers on the banks of the Arkansas river with my little brother honing my skills by catching and fighting carp on zebco 202's and 33's. Destroyed many a reel, prolific fighters and great fun to catch.
WVU-SCPA reply :
When the mulberry trees start drop their berries the bass rods get put down for a week or 2.
Fly rod, mulberry fly, and sight fishing for big cruising fish is hard to pass on.
Ratherbfishing reply :
It doesn't matter to me if Carp SHARE a body of water with other species of fish but to me there's something awry if Carp are the dominant species. But I'm not a fish biologist so what do I know?
scaleface reply :
On 3/1/2019 at 11:48 PM, WVU-SCPA said:When the mulberry trees start drop their berries the bass rods get put down for a week or 2.
Fly rod, mulberry fly, and sight fishing for big cruising fish is hard to pass on.
I have always wanted to try that .One time I put a mullberry on an ultralight and pitched it under an overhanging mullberry tree . That berry did not make it to the bottom before a big old carp had it . Talk about a fight .
TOXIC reply :
Spent many an hour carp fishing. And to top it off carp are delicious if you know how to cook them.
https://www.joetessplace.com/
Joe Tess Place began as a neighborhood tavern in the 1930's. Ever since, the humble carp has been the driving force behind Joe Tess Place. Now a successful family restaurant in the tradition of friendly service high quality fresh fish, we since and transport our own fish for guaranteed freshness.
Bluebasser86 reply :
They're pretty fun to sight fish for or during the mulberry hatch if you can find trees that hang over the water. I managed to catch my first fly rod grass carp a couple years ago. They're very wary and have good eyesight so they're hard to get to take a fly, then they fight like crazy so they're hard to land once hooked. I use to sight fish common carp in creeks with small jigs on an ultralight. Most of them were less than 5lbs but even those pulled hard on 4lb test.
WVU-SCPA reply :
On 3/2/2019 at 10:41 PM, Bluebasser86 said:They're pretty fun to sight fish for or during the mulberry hatch if you can find trees that hang over the water. I managed to catch my first fly rod grass carp a couple years ago. They're very wary and have good eyesight so they're hard to get to take a fly, then they fight like crazy so they're hard to land once hooked. I use to sight fish common carp in creeks with small jigs on an ultralight. Most of them were less than 5lbs but even those pulled hard on 4lb test.
Yep, not afraid to drop a pin when I come across a overhanging mulberry tree.
Geese can ruin an area quickly, as they think that mulberry fly is for them.
redmeansdistortion reply :
On 3/2/2019 at 2:01 AM, TOXIC said:Spent many an hour carp fishing. And to top it off carp are delicious if you know how to cook them.
https://www.joetessplace.com/
Joe Tess Place began as a neighborhood tavern in the 1930's. Ever since, the humble carp has been the driving force behind Joe Tess Place. Now a successful family restaurant in the tradition of friendly service high quality fresh fish, we since and transport our own fish for guaranteed freshness.
I've never eaten carp, but I've heard they are great if prepared right. One 'trash fish' I do enjoy is smoked sucker. They're somewhat a delicacy up here in the north, but they're only good if you catch them when the water is still cold. Once the water warms up the meat becomes mushy and they're better used as bait for pike and musky.
slonezp reply :
You lowly "I only fish for bass" bass fishermen don't know what you're missing. Hooking into a 20-30lb fish is memory in the making. Salmon, carp, cats, pike, musky...all a much better battle than a little green fish. Only time I don't like the by-catches is during a tourney.
Russ E reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 10:06 AM, slonezp said:You lowly "I only fish for bass" bass fishermen don't know what you're missing. Hooking into a 20-30lb fish is memory in the making. Salmon, carp, cats, pike, musky...all a much better battle than a little green fish. Only time I don't like the by-catches is during a tourney.
while I target bass 99.9% of the time. I don't complain when I hook into a bonus monster Flathead catfish or buffalo.
When I started this thread it was was more out of curiosity than anything else. How a fish most Americans see as trash, is highly prized in Europe.
slonezp reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 10:48 AM, Russ E said:while I target bass 99.9% of the time. I don't complain when I hook into a bonus monster Flathead catfish or buffalo.
When I started this thread it was was more out of curiosity than anything else. How a fish most Americans see as trash, is highly prized in Europe.
I'm not singling anybody out.
We occasionally mouth hook carp, drum, suckers, and buffalo fish. While I do consider these "trash" fish, the battle is well worth it. A 15lb cat will give you a run for the money, and a 50lb cat is nothing short of amazing (I didn't land the 50lb cat but got it to the boat 3 times before she broke off). Too many of us have tunnel vision when we fish. Catching a 40" musky during a bass tournament is downright depressing. Were I fun fishing when I caught her, my smile would be from ear to ear. Honestly, since I have, for the most part, stopped tournament fishing, I think I appreciate other species even more.
flyfisher reply :
i target carp pretty often on a fly rod and they are much more difficult to catch than a bass, without question. The fight they give is ridiculous. It is the only freshwater fish I have had take me into the backing on my fly rod and did so multiple times. It also seems that when i see them eating on a river that smallies are right behind them picking up whatever they kick out in their rooting.
they don't call the the golden bonefish for nothing...
Bluebasser86 reply :
To catch the carp, you must become the carp. Sight fished this sucker from my kayak.
Turkey sandwich reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 1:27 PM, Bluebasser86 said:To catch the carp, you must become the carp. Sight fished this sucker from my kayak.
Sounds like somebody got a free tow.
On 3/5/2019 at 11:10 AM, flyfisher said:i target carp pretty often on a fly rod and they are much more difficult to catch than a bass, without question. The fight they give is ridiculous. It is the only freshwater fish I have had take me into the backing on my fly rod and did so multiple times. It also seems that when i see them eating on a river that smallies are right behind them picking up whatever they kick out in their rooting.
they don't call the the golden bonefish for nothing...
What patterns are you using? I've attempted this and failed miserably.
Bankbeater reply :
I don't target carp, but I have caught a lot of them fishing for bass. Usually feels like I've hooked a speeding train.
redmeansdistortion reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 10:06 AM, slonezp said:You lowly "I only fish for bass" bass fishermen don't know what you're missing. Hooking into a 20-30lb fish is memory in the making. Salmon, carp, cats, pike, musky...all a much better battle than a little green fish. Only time I don't like the by-catches is during a tourney.
There's nothing I enjoy more than a chinook or big steelhead peeling 50yd+ of line during the fight. I fish salmon and steelhead the vast majority of the time. This involves wandering miles through the back country to my favorite holes and often times it's just myself or myself and whomever I bring. The overall experience of the hike, the serenity of nature, not hearing motors or partiers, and smelling exhaust fumes is much better than you will ever find on any bass boat, or boat in general. My favorite brook trout stream in the UP of Michigan is a 22 mile hike off the beaten path. There is a sign posted at the trail head that says 'Past this point you are on your own so prepare accordingly. Help can be hours or days away'
soflabasser reply :
On 3/1/2019 at 9:06 AM, Russ E said:I was flipping through cable channels, while digesting supper, and stumbled across a show called monster carp on the world fishing network channel.
I usually don't watch this channel, but this title caught my attention.
As a Bass fisherman I was intrigued a show was dedicated to one of the most despised fish in America.
The show was based in England. They obviously hold carp at a higher status than most Americans do.
I guess it depends on where you live and what is available.
To me a carp is a smelly bugle lipped trash fish. I am usually not to happy when I snag one.
Maybe I am a spoiled American, but I am just glad to Live in a country where carp are not the only option.
Carp are fun to catch but they are not even in my top 10 list of favorite fish to catch. I agree with you that we are very fortunate to have so many species of fish to choose from and for that I am very grateful.
On 3/1/2019 at 9:35 AM, Team9nine said:Once you learn how to whip 10-20 pound carp on your finesse gear and 4-6 pound line, no bass you hook is likely to ever scare you
A couple weeks ago I caught a +46.5 inch grass carp on 12 pound test mono. It was a fun fight but I rather catch another 10 pound or better largemouth bass. As for fighting ability try catching a 7.5 foot or better shark on 30 pound test line from land, you will never see bass the same after that.
Log Catcher reply :
I caught about a 10# carp one time and it was interesting. I was trying to get it back to the boat as I wanted my crankbait back It was on old Rebel Wee R. I would get it close to the boat and it would take off again. When I finally got it up to the boat I found out I had snagged it in the tail but I did get my bait back.
flyfisher reply :
On 3/5/2019 at 3:13 PM, Turkey sandwich said:What patterns are you using? I've attempted this and failed miserably.
If they are rooting on the bottom and actively feeding i like small crayfish imitations but they will eat almost anything as long as it is presented properly. You need to pretty much figure out where they are going and cast in front of them and let it sit. less movement the better in my experience. Any bushy small fly seems to work.
the best though is if you find them feeding on top somewhere. I have had the pleasure of fishing for them on two occasions where there was a hatch and the fish were actively feeding on top. All i had with me were some brookie flies so i threw out a parachute adams and caught fish on almost every cast. I have heard of people going after them when mulberries are falling off the bushes and cottonwood tufts as well but i have never seems to be around at the right time for that to happen.
Long leaders and super stealthy approaches are paramount as are heavy gear with light leaders. I know it seems counter-intuitive to cast a 12 foot 4lb leader on a 7 or 8wt but it works and is needed if you get into a bigger one because they will take you into the backing and you can't horse them but they are very leader conscious....makes me want to head out.....
Turkey sandwich reply :
On 3/6/2019 at 11:18 AM, flyfisher said:If they are rooting on the bottom and actively feeding i like small crayfish imitations but they will eat almost anything as long as it is presented properly. You need to pretty much figure out where they are going and cast in front of them and let it sit. less movement the better in my experience. Any bushy small fly seems to work.
the best though is if you find them feeding on top somewhere. I have had the pleasure of fishing for them on two occasions where there was a hatch and the fish were actively feeding on top. All i had with me were some brookie flies so i threw out a parachute adams and caught fish on almost every cast. I have heard of people going after them when mulberries are falling off the bushes and cottonwood tufts as well but i have never seems to be around at the right time for that to happen.
Long leaders and super stealthy approaches are paramount as are heavy gear with light leaders. I know it seems counter-intuitive to cast a 12 foot 4lb leader on a 7 or 8wt but it works and is needed if you get into a bigger one because they will take you into the backing and you can't horse them but they are very leader conscious....makes me want to head out.....
Thank you! I've seen videos on the "berry hatch", but I've never had success sticking flies in front of them without spooking them or getting ignored.
flyfisher reply :
your casts have to be on point and silent. It makes casting to wary big brown trout seem easy in comparison. They also have to be feeding. I have yet to catch one that is just cruising around.
WVU-SCPA reply :
On 3/6/2019 at 12:06 PM, flyfisher said:your casts have to be on point and silent. It makes casting to wary big brown trout seem easy in comparison. They also have to be feeding. I have yet to catch one that is just cruising around.
Correct. While tempting to cast at carp cruising or suspending in the water column, the chance of them taking the offering is slim.
I highly suggest trying to get on a berry hatch. 2 years ago I stumbled upon a condition that I hope to hit again sometime in life. Mulberry tree dropping berries like it was its job, gin clear glass water, a current moving along the bank at about 10' per minute, and a thin layer of vegetation for me to hide behind. Usually after hooking a carp the other fish in the area scatter for a period of time, however this day had the carp piled up for 75 yards. The max time there wasn't a fish to target was 5 minutes.
The only other time I've stopped fishing because of a sore shoulder beside steelhead.
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