State of Nebraska for the last 8-9 years have been introducing Tiger Muskie into all my local Bass lakes and I could not be more upset....they are eating everything and are now over 40 inches long and will hit most Bass lures and baits...and now the Bass are trying to get in their beds and do what they do
and here come the Muskie in the shallows having a full on Buffet.... I love fishing but turning Nebraska Bass lakes into Minnesota/Canada Muskie lakes is just wrong.
Sounds like the state of Nebraska is doing the right thing for those who enjoy catching muskies and those who want to catch a sportfish over 10 pounds on a regular basis. I enjoy bass fishing but would much rather catch another muskie over 40" than catch another bass over 8 pounds.
I thought the old "Musky Eat Bass and Walleye" narrative got debunked? I am friends with Pete Mania on FB and I thought that I read that was not true??????
There's a lake a bit north of me here in Central IN, and I've only ever fished there for musky, however folks tell me that the bass fishing is great during the summer months. However I'm not sure how to fish it. This lake doesn't have the shallow flats you're seeing, the bank drops off to about 6-8ft immediately. I want to catch the bass, not the musky. So I'm not sure how to go about it.
On 4/25/2018 at 12:49 AM, TOXIC said:I thought the old "Musky Eat Bass and Walleye" narrative got debunked? I am friends with Pete Mania on FB and I thought that I read that was not true??????
Correct, sort of. What happens is muskie either eat the small bass in the area, or they displace bass's typical territory. They rid the lake of over populated panfish, and allow for greater biomass, which means bigger bass. Often what happens when things on a lake change, the typical 90 percenter anglers keep doing what they've been doing, and don't adapt. If you're catching muskie, then move. Plain and simple. The game changed and you have to change your strategy. I fish a couple tiger muskie lakes up here, and the bass are stupid big. So are the tigers. I'll use Conesus lake as an example. There is at least one tournament per day, usually a couple of evening tournaments, and several on the weekends. It's 20 lbs. to even be considered "in the money." Most other lakes, 14-15 will win it. Tiger muskies didn't ruin a thing. My suggestion to the OP is to do some map study, and try something different.
Pin me the location, I've casted 10,000 times like they told me and still haven't caught one of those suckers!
WHATTTT!?!?!? Buddy count yourself lucky man, its hard enough to catch a pike off shore now here in the GTA and your bagging musky on a regular basis?! I'm so jealous ????
Dink tigers, while fun aren't quite the same as a real musky.
"State of Nebraska for the last 8-9 years have been introducing Tiger Muskie into all my local Bass lakes and I could not be more upset....they are eating everything and are now over 40 inches long and will hit most Bass lures and baits...and now the Bass are trying to get in their beds and do what they do
and here come the Muskie in the shallows having a full on Buffet.... I love fishing but turning Nebraska Bass lakes into Minnesota/Canada Muskie lakes is just wrong."
Fake News...Musky do not have the ability to eat everything in the lake, plus bass (and walleye) are not their top menu choice. As was mentioned above by JFrancho, Musky being the top predator in the lake can take top billing on prime ambush spots where the bass used to reside. Now the bass have relocated and you need to now find them. In addition, catching musky is just plain fun, so enjoy that occasional 40" Tiger and enjoy the challenge of finding where the bass have gone, because they certainly won't be in the bellies of those musky's like you think.
On 4/25/2018 at 1:59 AM, Lucky Craft Man said:"State of Nebraska for the last 8-9 years have been introducing Tiger Muskie into all my local Bass lakes and I could not be more upset....they are eating everything and are now over 40 inches long and will hit most Bass lures and baits...and now the Bass are trying to get in their beds and do what they do
and here come the Muskie in the shallows having a full on Buffet.... I love fishing but turning Nebraska Bass lakes into Minnesota/Canada Muskie lakes is just wrong."
Fake News...Musky do not have the ability to eat everything in the lake, plus bass (and walleye) are not their top menu choice. As was mentioned above by JFrancho, Musky being the top predator in the lake can take top billing on prime ambush spots where the bass used to reside. Now the bass have relocated and you need to now find them. In addition, catching musky is just plain fun, so enjoy that occasional 40" Tiger and enjoy the challenge of finding where the bass have gone, because they certainly won't be in the bellies of those musky's like you think.
Well put!
On 4/25/2018 at 1:59 AM, Lucky Craft Man said:"State of Nebraska for the last 8-9 years have been introducing Tiger Muskie into all my local Bass lakes and I could not be more upset....they are eating everything and are now over 40 inches long and will hit most Bass lures and baits...and now the Bass are trying to get in their beds and do what they do
and here come the Muskie in the shallows having a full on Buffet.... I love fishing but turning Nebraska Bass lakes into Minnesota/Canada Muskie lakes is just wrong."
Fake News...Musky do not have the ability to eat everything in the lake, plus bass (and walleye) are not their top menu choice. As was mentioned above by JFrancho, Musky being the top predator in the lake can take top billing on prime ambush spots where the bass used to reside. Now the bass have relocated and you need to now find them. In addition, catching musky is just plain fun, so enjoy that occasional 40" Tiger and enjoy the challenge of finding where the bass have gone, because they certainly won't be in the bellies of those musky's like you think.
Fake News? I found a dead 41 inch musky with a 13 inch bass lodged in its mouth so I figure he took one for the team...
Thought this was Bass Resource not Musky Fan club?....
That's one less tiger and one less under size dink. Sounds like a win win.
Seriously, you are looking at this the wrong way. NY has been introducing tigers for decades to improve fishing, with great success.
They put 40 Tigers in a 44 acre lake....not a good ratio in my mind. will be hard for me to ever see myself trying to catch one of those slimy stinky wanna be alligators...ha!
Local lake has been stocked every year with 3000 musky (9 inch fingerlings in a 500 acre lake). Bass fishing could not have been better. A lot of musky were caught out and died in other ways but there were legit 50+ inch tiger musky in there.
Then a virus hit the stocking population and none were stocked for a few years. Could not find a musky left and bass fishing declined. During this time someone also self stocked yellow perch which are everywhere now.
The lake is still a good lake but definitely down from what it used to be, fisherman need to make some adjustments too.
@Nebasska After reading your signature I'm not sure why you are complaining. You are still fishing, correct?
On 4/25/2018 at 12:40 AM, soflabasser said:Sounds like the state of Nebraska is doing the right thing for those who enjoy catching muskies and those who want to catch a sportfish over 10 pounds on a regular basis. I enjoy bass fishing but would much rather catch another muskie over 40" than catch another bass over 8 pounds.
Oh man do I wish I lived in FL...
Muskie do eat bass and bass eat muskie fingerlings its no big deal thats what fish do. I find the size of bass to be bigger in lakes with larger predators. Look at lake Mille lacs its full of 50"+ Muskie and its also full of giant smallmouth.
When fishing in Lake of the Woods, Ontario Canada, a lake with both big pike and musky, no hybrid Tiger musky that I knew of, the LMB owned the inside weed edges.
Walleyes, pike, musky worked the outside weed edges and the Smallmouth were on the reefs. The fish coexisted but had there preferred territory.
If you hooked a walleye and a big pike or musky was nearby they often grabbed it sideways like a dog bone. To say they musky don't eat other game fish isn't true at Lake of the Woods!
My point is the LMB bass learned to relocate where they were able to dominate, the inside weed beds, their shape allows quick turns needed to capture prey.
Tom
On 4/25/2018 at 2:55 AM, dgkasper58 said:Oh man do I wish I lived in FL...
Yes South Florida is a fisherman's paradise but fishing for muskie is also fun and worth traveling for.
On 4/25/2018 at 2:25 AM, Nebasska said:I found a dead 41 inch musky with a 13 inch bass lodged in its mouth
Sounds like a bass pattern swimbait might be a good lure to use there.
On 4/25/2018 at 2:31 AM, Nebasska said:They put 40 Tigers in a 44 acre lake....not a good ratio in my mind.
Hardly a drop in the bucket.
Missouri started stocking muskie in 4 or 5 lakes about 14 or 15 years ago. The bass eat the muskie fry, and the muskie eat the bass fry. The bass usually win out because they are in greater numbers than the muskie. The muskie that do survive get big.
On 4/25/2018 at 5:40 AM, Bankbeater said:Missouri started stocking muskie in 4 or 5 lakes about 14 or 15 years ago. The bass eat the muskie fry, and the muskie eat the bass fry. The bass usually win out because they are in greater numbers than the muskie. The muskie that do survive get big.
"Get big" case closed, great finisher !!! ????
On 4/24/2018 at 11:34 PM, Nebasska said:State of Nebraska for the last 8-9 years have been introducing Tiger Muskie into all my local Bass lakes and I could not be more upset....they are eating everything and are now over 40 inches long and will hit most Bass lures and baits...and now the Bass are trying to get in their beds and do what they do
and here come the Muskie in the shallows having a full on Buffet.... I love fishing but turning Nebraska Bass lakes into Minnesota/Canada Muskie lakes is just wrong.
Big fish eat small fish. That’s why bait works so well. Enjoy it.
In NY our DEC decided to appease the recreational boaters on one Adirondack lake and used the brilliant strategy of dumping a ton of sterile grass carp into the water to eliminate all the weeds. Within just a few years, a once vibrant lake full of pike and bass is turned into a water covered desert with more grass carp than game fish; which considering that these carp can't reproduce should tell you how few game fish are left.
You should count your blessings, you have another fun species to target and it appears that your state is trying to improve things.
I’m in Omaha and have yet to see this Muskie explosion.
They've been stocked around here in various lakes and their impact is not noticeable.
The best bass lake within a hour of me is the only one with pike in it; go figure.
On 4/25/2018 at 4:28 AM, J Francho said:Hardly a drop in the bucket.
I think that a fish per acre is a pretty standard ratio that Missouri uses in smaller lakes. The theory being it's enough to curb stunted panfish populations without being more large predators than a lake can handle.
I fish 2 different lakes with muskie on any regularity. One has a lower bass population, but the bass that are there are really large. The other has tons of bass and most are towards the smaller side. The one with more undersized bass has a far larger population of muskie.
Personally, if I had a lake with a good population close by, I'd bass fish a lot less. Make a trade? I have several lakes close by you can easily catch 50-100 8-12 inch bass a day. I'll send a few thousand of those and you send a couple hundred muskie, deal? Or if you can even just talk KDWPT into stocking muskie in a couple of our lakes would be good enough for me.
On 4/25/2018 at 9:46 AM, bassh8er said:I’m in Omaha and have yet to see this Muskie explosion.
They've been stocked around here in various lakes and their impact is not noticeable.
The best bass lake within a hour of me is the only one with pike in it; go figure.
There are at LEAST two bass lakes within an hour of Omaha that have pike. One of them is a tough lake but has big bass (I have caught 23 and 24 lb limits out of it), and the other one is just a good bass lake with a mix of all sizes of bass.
I’m not so much worried about the bass getting eaten as I am feeling a tick, starting to set the hook and then pulling up a line with the lure gone. I can’t count how many jigs, spinnerbaits and squarebills I have had munched off by one of the toothy critters (probably pike more so than musky). That being said I have adjusted by not throwing any expensive lures in these lakes.
On 4/25/2018 at 4:46 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I think that a fish per acre is a pretty standard ratio that Missouri uses in smaller lakes.
If that's an adult fish, sure. They never stock adult fish here, unless it's for a trout derby. I'll bet they dropped several hundred into a lake that's maybe a square mile. This was years and years ago. Tigers are sterile, so when they die, they're gone. There's one in that lake that's pushing 50". Lives near a particular set of docks, and always get bit off there. The rest of the lake can be tough, but the bass are all generally over 3 lbs.
Some hot shot state politician here in MN just tried to introduce legislation that would ban future stocking on muskies and make it legal to harvest them over 20 inches because he thinks they are eating his walleyes and panfish out. His proposal pretty much goes against every piece of science out there. I'm not going to get into what I think of his idea but it has very little chance of passing since there are no studies or science to back it up. The only proven fact that from this is that he and his local constituency are the ones harvesting too many fish.
Fun to catch. Hell on bass lures. You know what i find funny is our local musky fisherman complain about all the bass they catch
Unless you are "losing" Megabass baits, lucky crafts or discontinued Pre Rapala Warts or Xcalibur baits to muskie I wouldn't worry to much about it. Some of my favorite fisheries in MN also have health populations of large muskie.
On 4/26/2018 at 3:00 AM, gimruis said:Some hot shot state politician here in MN just tried to introduce legislation that would ban future stocking on muskies and make it legal to harvest them over 20 inches because he thinks they are eating his walleyes and panfish out. His proposal pretty much goes against every piece of science out there. I'm not going to get into what I think of his idea but it has very little chance of passing since there are no studies or science to back it up. The only proven fact that from this is that he and his local constituency are the ones harvesting too many fish.
I'm afraid it may somehow pass if attached to another bill. The real reason behind all of the anti-musky stocking legislation in MN is that lake property owners don't want musky stocked in their lakes so that it doesn't attract musky fisherman who will travel just about any distance for good fish. They don't want more traffic on "their" lakes despite the fact that the fishing may actually improve for other species. I've also heard some about increased regulations and inspections to combat invasive species that are past the point of reasonable measures so in reality they would only be restricting launch access to the lake. Things like high fees, having your boat inspected every time you want to launch, certain launch hours only during the day when there is a crew to inspect, etc. Both are really about privatizing the lakes and restricting access for people who do not own lakefront property and aren't a part of the lake association. The water is public and it needs to stay that way. The DNR should be able to manage the fisheries based on their data and experience, not because some Rep hates muskies and doesn't want more boats on the lake with his property.
Sorry to get off topic... In regards to the original post, I wish I had a huge musky problem! I've currently got a small musky or no musky problem whenever I try to catch them!
On 4/25/2018 at 8:18 PM, Dirtyeggroll said:There are at LEAST two bass lakes within an hour of Omaha that have pike. One of them is a tough lake but has big bass (I have caught 23 and 24 lb limits out of it), and the other one is just a good bass lake with a mix of all sizes of bass.
I’m not so much worried about the bass getting eaten as I am feeling a tick, starting to set the hook and then pulling up a line with the lure gone. I can’t count how many jigs, spinnerbaits and squarebills I have had munched off by one of the toothy critters (probably pike more so than musky). That being said I have adjusted by not throwing any expensive lures in these lakes.
Cunningham doesn’t count bro.
On 4/26/2018 at 11:18 AM, bassh8er said:
Cunningham doesn’t count bro.
Considering the number of lures I have had chomped off there, especially near the north end of the lake on a warm summer day, it counts.
On 4/26/2018 at 5:26 AM, slonezp said:Fun to catch. Hell on bass lures. You know what i find funny is our local musky fisherman complain about all the bass they catch
Funny you should say that. I caught a big football shaped northern strain largemouth bass while muskie fishing a little over a year ago. It was nice to catch this bass but I saw this bass as bycatch and would of preferred to catch another muskie.
On 4/26/2018 at 3:00 AM, gimruis said:Some hot shot state politician here in MN just tried to introduce legislation that would ban future stocking on muskies and make it legal to harvest them over 20 inches because he thinks they are eating his walleyes and panfish out. His proposal pretty much goes against every piece of science out there. I'm not going to get into what I think of his idea but it has very little chance of passing since there are no studies or science to back it up. The only proven fact that from this is that he and his local constituency are the ones harvesting too many fish.
I read that the walleye fishermen in Minnesota do not like muskies and that they want to stop stocking muskies/ remove all muskies from the "walleye lakes". That to me is nonsense since muskies are a much better game fish than a walleye in many ways.
On 4/26/2018 at 12:28 PM, soflabasser said:I read that the walleye fishermen in Minnesota do not like muskies and that they want to stop stocking muskies/ remove all muskies from the "walleye lakes". That to me is nonsense since muskies are a much better game fish than a walleye in many ways.
Plenty of old-timers who will kill musky/pike because they're "eating all the walleye". Nevermind the walleye fishing may decline partly because they've kept a limit (or more) every time out for the last 30 years.
On 4/27/2018 at 12:55 AM, Vilas15 said:Plenty of old-timers who will kill musky/pike because they're "eating all the walleye". Nevermind the walleye fishing may decline partly because they've kept a limit (or more) every time out for the last 30 years.
I have read about that and even seen a video on YouTube of some clown that killed a muskie because "its eating all the walleye". That video was sent to DNR and he was punished for what he did.
On 4/27/2018 at 1:00 AM, soflabasser said:I have read about that and even seen a video on YouTube of some clown that killed a muskie because "its eating all the walleye". That video was sent to DNR and he was punished for what he did.
They'll attack any fish that is on the end of a line that acts vulnerable so people have had them try to eat walleye or bass before and thats where the opinion might come from, but those fish are a very small part of their diet. The diet obviously depends on the forage available but I think the largest portions were suckers, perch, cisco, shad, etc. when a study was done.
On 4/27/2018 at 1:05 AM, Vilas15 said:They'll attack any fish that is on the end of a line that acts vulnerable so people have had them try to eat walleye or bass before and thats where the opinion might come from, but those fish are a very small part of their diet. The diet obviously depends on the forage available but I think the largest portions were suckers, perch, cisco, shad, etc. when a study was done.
A bass will glady eat a baby muskie if it gets the chance and this happens all the time. It's survival of the fittest for these fish and the top fish will survive and the weaker,older,etc usually do not. Many saltwater fishermen in South Florida do not like barracudas and sharks since they steal fish and lures, but there is no denying that barracudas and sharks are much stronger gamefish than most fish that are eaten by them. I much rather fish for big powerful fish like a barracuda or muskie than fish for a small fish that rarely weights 10 pounds, but that's just me.
On 4/26/2018 at 12:28 PM, soflabasser said:I read that the walleye fishermen in Minnesota do not like muskies and that they want to stop stocking muskies/ remove all muskies from the "walleye lakes". That to me is nonsense since muskies are a much better game fish than a walleye in many ways.
Yes, that is what many of them think! They are a narrow-minded bunch and they target their beloved walleyes for one reason: to harvest them. God forbid they should target them or another species like bass or muskies for sport or because they simply want to enjoy it. It is actually a subject of controversy at Mille Lacs because the items that have contributed to the downturn of the walleye fishery there has also contributed to it now being such a great smallmouth (and muskie) fishery. While I do not think that muskie fishing is "mainstream" fishing because it generally caters to a very specific demographic, having them present in low populations of density to produce trophy caliber fish is good for the ecosystem.
On 4/27/2018 at 6:52 AM, gimruis said:Yes, that is what many of them think! They are a narrow-minded bunch and they target their beloved walleyes for one reason: to harvest them. God forbid they should target them or another species like bass or muskies for sport or because they simply want to enjoy it. It is actually a subject of controversy at Mille Lacs because the items that have contributed to the downturn of the walleye fishery there has also contributed to it now being such a great smallmouth (and muskie) fishery. While I do not think that muskie fishing is "mainstream" fishing because it generally caters to a very specific demographic, having them present in low populations of density to produce trophy caliber fish is good for the ecosystem.
As a multi species fisherman I find it difficult to understand why these walleye fishermen hate muskie so much. Yes muskies eat whatever they can catch, but so do bass,walleye,trout, basically every predatory fish does this. I don't eat muskie but I have read they taste very good, so muskie are not trash fish in any way. Guess some people are just set in thier ways and don't want to grow as a fisherman and target new species of fish. Oh well that leaves more fish for us multi species fishermen.
I have never eaten a muskie and I never plan to. I would imagine it probably tastes similar to a big northern pike, which is full of bones, gamey, and not very good. Hard pass on that one. Plus, the minimum size limit to keep one is 48 or 54 inches for a pure strain, and 40 inches for a tiger. So its not like people are targeting them as a food source anyways, they are strictly a catch and release sport fish.
Walleyes taste good. I don't think anyone that has one and likes fish would refute that...
Early spring northerns, or northerns from cooler waters are delicious, not gamey at all, and if you know how to fillet them, no bones. I use a five fillet method. It's on YouTube. The carcass is used to make fish stock. Up here, we call pike "poor man's shrimp." Sometimes, I don't even fillet them, just gut them, fill with sliced lemon and herbs, wrap in tin foil and cook them on the grill. Then just pick the meat off the bones and dip in drawn butter. It's a white meat, not quite as flaky as walleye, and despite pike being the slimiest smelliest, most rotten attitude fiswh in the lake, the meat is very good.
This thread is making me want to get a bass or walleye patterned swimbait and see how well it does the next time I fish for muskie.
On 4/30/2018 at 5:33 AM, soflabasser said:This thread is making me want to get a bass or walleye patterned swimbait and see how well it does the next time I fish for muskie.
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On 4/26/2018 at 3:00 AM, gimruis said:The only proven fact that from this is that he and his local constituency are the ones harvesting too many fish.
Always the case, every time.
Also almost always the case that they want to blame a problem on something else.
"I done been taking 50 panfish a day outta that there lake since I was a teenager...then them darn (insert species here) ate 'em all up. We need to kill 'em all!"
I say stock the muskies, great northern pike were the snakeheads are taking over. Even where those jumping carp are too.
we have a lake here that’s stocked with great northern pike because of the over population of white perch. Now is you follow the water down to another dammed body of water it’s stocked with hatchery trout. I seen a big pike feeding in the shallows were they stock the trout. He’s a big one now. Not many people catch trout there. I catch decent bass there.
The best bass lake in WV is FULL of BIG muskies. Only two bass over 18" can be weighed in, and it takes 20+ to win in the spring, every time. I have heard there would be upper 20s and maybe even 30lb bags if the size limit was changed!
Unless there is literally nothing else to eat, they aren't eating many bass. They are also usually sterile and not going to take over. State is stocking either purely for anglers to enjoy catching or they have an overabundance of some sort of baitfish they are trying to control. Just trust your state biologists know what they are doing
My state stocks 1,000-2,000 tiger fingerlings in my favorite river for last 15 years and I've never caught one, and only seen 1 caught and I target pike/muskie all the time. Pretty sure they get eaten by pike and standard muskie or I would of ran into one by now
@J Francho that pike recipe sounds delicious. Will it work on smaller strain of chain pickeral in the South?
On 4/25/2018 at 2:37 AM, BrianinMD said:Local lake has been stocked every year with 3000 musky (9 inch fingerlings in a 500 acre lake). Bass fishing could not have been better. A lot of musky were caught out and died in other ways but there were legit 50+ inch tiger musky in there.
Then a virus hit the stocking population and none were stocked for a few years. Could not find a musky left and bass fishing declined. During this time someone also self stocked yellow perch which are everywhere now.
The lake is still a good lake but definitely down from what it used to be, fisherman need to make some adjustments too.
Black Hills right? Bass fishing is great in the spring but tough in the summer.
Allen
On 5/21/2018 at 5:41 AM, Munkin said:Black Hills right? Bass fishing is great in the spring but tough in the summer.
Allen
Yes, Black Hills. It is a good lake, had a great day there about a week and a half ago. But its definitely on a down cycle. When the club did tourneys there in its peak there were 20lb bags pulled. One tourney had 3 over 20lb.
Now you can still do well but not 20lbs. My great day mentioned above between two of us we had 40-50 fish in the boat, with best 5 for each of us around 17-18lbs.
Get to end of summer and fall and the weights caught drop to low teens....
On 5/20/2018 at 9:21 AM, NittyGrittyBoy said:@J Francho that pike recipe sounds delicious. Will it work on smaller strain of chain pickeral in the South?
Yep. There's a local Asian restaurant nearby Oneida Lake, and we would regularly would drop our limits of pickerel. In exchange, we get a nice, free dinner. They tell us they taste great. I don't think they're big enough to get decent fillets, but the grill method would probably be the ticket.