structure?....i give up 2024
bottledgt reply :
not having any luck with this structure,open water stuff. ive tried and tried. just aint happenin. if i cant find fish around weeds or cover, i might as well head to the house it seems. if there are weeds in open water, i can catch fish usually if they are there. but as far as points,dropoffs, i think ive caught 2 this whole year doing it. and neither one was worth catching.
jimmieO reply :
Don't give up on fishing deep cover. You gotta learn it!!! I've devoted several trips to just fishing deep water to try and get better, and sometimes it seems like its just not going to happen, but I know thats where the fish are!!!! Mix up what you are throwing at that cover, and keep trying until it clicks.
fishfordollars reply :
Stick to the weeds and the shoreline, you have allready given up.
Do you think we learned the offshore thing in a couple of months? It's a lifetime of learning and having the patience to get out there and try to figure it out. I spent three hours on a 600 yard point that droped off in the river several years ago and never had a bump. Another hour checking it out with the electronics trying to find the sweet spots. I never did and have never caught a fish off this point(I keep checking it though). Same thing with humps, drains, ridges, and river ledges. It takes time and you never quit trying. Some produce certain times of the year and some at other times. Heck, we hit offshore spots several times in one day trying to figure them out. Some times they do, sometimes they don't.
Giving up is great for the ones that take the time to figure it out. Just leaves the fish to them.
Now get back out there, quit feeling sorry for yourself, and figure them out.
Welcome to the forum, and good luck.
Jack
JuniorFisherJJ08 reply :
Well if you fishing dropoffs n ledges 2 things u need, cranks are the first and fairly easy. Next is the Drop Shot rig. if you cant pull a few up on those 2 things i would def. move to another spot.
D4u2s0t reply :
a few things you forgot to mention is how deep is the water, what's the temps compared to the rest of the lake, and are you sure there are fish there? what baits are you using? maybe your fishing too deep, or too shallow, or in water that's not holding fish? even though an area may seem like an ideal place for fish to be, without knowing more info it may not be as ideal as it seems. if you've caught 2 fish all year, i'm going to venture out and say the problem is one of 2 things, either your technique, or there's simply no fish. someone with little to no experience should be able to catch more than 2 fish in an area that's holding, spread out over a year.
bottledgt reply :
im talking anything over about 12 ft. when they move off shore,i cant get into them very well. ive caught loads of fish this year,and nice ones,but they werent deep. ive tried jigs,dropshot finesse worms,havent tried too many cranks though actually.
Tin reply :
Electronics and knowing seasonal patterns of the fish and the bait are the keys to off shore fishing, not always the lures.
And those fish you are pulling out of the grass are most likely residential fish so they are always there. Just have to try to figure those fish out too.
JuniorFisherJJ08 reply :
if nothing else has worked try running a rat l trap silver in color[bass should be on a shad bite] also work the pt in all diff angles n depths. Just keep at it. its like anything you get better with pratice.
Remember....''Patience is key''
I Love BassResource reply :
QuoteStick to the weeds and the shoreline, you have allready given up.Do you think we learned the offshore thing in a couple of months? It's a lifetime of learning and having the patience to get out there and try to figure it out. I spent three hours on a 600 yard point that droped off in the river several years ago and never had a bump. Another hour checking it out with the electronics trying to find the sweet spots. I never did and have never caught a fish off this point(I keep checking it though). Same thing with humps, drains, ridges, and river ledges. It takes time and you never quit trying. Some produce certain times of the year and some at other times. Heck, we hit offshore spots several times in one day trying to figure them out. Some times they do, sometimes they don't.
Giving up is great for the ones that take the time to figure it out. Just leaves the fish to them.
Now get back out there, quit feeling sorry for yourself, and figure them out.
Welcome to the forum, and good luck.
Jack
Lol, this is some tough love, but he's spot on...
Raul reply :
Quotenot having any luck with this structure,open water stuff. ive tried and tried. just aint happenin. if i cant find fish around weeds or cover, i might as well head to the house it seems. if there are weeds in open water, i can catch fish usually if they are there. but as far as points,dropoffs, i think ive caught 2 this whole year doing it. and neither one was worth catching.
Where you think those weeds are growing on ? ---> structure
Why don 't weeds grow like a carpet ? because weeds only grow where they can find the adequate soil substrate ( bottom composition aka structural feature ) & the right ammount of light, those change when structure changes, a hole in a weedbed indicates either a change in bottom composition or a change in depth ( change of the bottom contour, bottom contour = structure ). The shape of the weedbed is telling you on what the weedbed is growing, and it reflects the shape of what 's underneath.
Got topo maps ? those help a lot when they are available, they tell you where everything is.
Got sonar ?
Have you looked around the terrain above the water level ? what you see above water level is most likely going to continue below water level.
What do you know about where certain plants grow ? in my neck of the woods willows only grow where there 's moist soil year round, that only happens in my neck of the woods along the river & creek channels, if I see willow trees it 's only a matter of following the way they are placed on the lake, I know the channel is at their feet or not very far, a creek/river channel is a structural feature.
fishizzle reply :
Do you think Ike ever gave up?
for points are tough. The bass are only there on special conditions and times of year. Humps are easier to figure out. Dropshot humps, if you can find any, for about 5 min each. They are either there or they are not. I try a few a day and see if they are on any bass on them. Then I go fish what I know to salvage the day.
keep trying different things and take notes on conditions so you can duplicate it in the future
Matt Fly reply :
Care to name the lake, we have members from everywhere who might be able to point you in the right direction on your home lake.
Mybe they are close by region and have other lakes similar and can give you suggestions.
WRB reply :
During the summer all the structure or bottom of the lake that makes up the structure that is below the thermocline doesn't have any bass or baitfish the bass feed on. Fishing too deep where there isn't any bass is a waste of time and effort.
The ideal place during the summer is where the thermocline meets structure and cover, this is where bass are most likely to be.
The first question a structure fisherman will ask; what depth did you catch the bass?
WRB
bigtimfish reply :
I am dedicated to learning deep cranks this year. Next time you go bring nothing but deep cranks.Don't give yourself the choice of any other bait. I have not been succesful with it at all, but I'll be damned if I give up on trying.Just a few weeks ago I went with my dad and he was catching a lot on worms, but I was dedicated to learn.
Busy reply :
There are two things I have on my profile:
1) Patience
2) Superiority is not just a matter of secret techniques
I am also not that great at fishing deep water structure (below 20 feet). I will be though. So will you, if you keep at it.
bottledgt reply :
yeah i havent given up...i just am out of ideas of which none seem to work. the whole thermocline thing screws with my head and i have no idea how to know where it is other than a depth finder, but ive had no luck getting it to read that ,so im guessing at best. this time of year, im assuming they are only shallow in morning and late at night and deep the rest of the time. seems like if they are going shallow to feed,then they wouldnt even bite anyway when they go back deep. i have no idea though
Catt reply :
Excellent suggestions all the way around 
First thing to remember is not all good looking structures harbor bass
Second bass must have a visible path of breaks and break lines on a structure from deep water all the way to the shallows.
Third structure fishing is all about location not lures or techniques
Fourth once productive structure is found any lure or technique will produce; some better than others.
What is your favorite technique?
fishfordollars reply :
bottledgt, you have some great info to pick through in the above post. I was a little rough on you in my post, but no appology coming from me. Do yourself a favor and stick with it. It will pay off sooner than later. The first time you hit a fish with a plastic, you fail to move him an inch, and he hits you back harder you will know all the frustration will be worth it.
Keep us posted on your progress, and remember, giving up is for loosers. Now go stick that toad in 20' of water.
Jack
cabullwinkle reply :
Sorry to hear about your situation. I have found that bass are sometimes where you least expect them, especially in the morning time. As for going out and being discouraged, throw each cast intentionally, and really work your bait to improve. This way if you don't catch fish, you will know that you improved your skills. You will also work your bait better.
WRB reply :
Take a look at the water temperature variations thread on this page, it has some related information.
WRB
bottledgt reply :
i didnt mean i was giving up trying. just that i was out of ideas. i know what im doing works,just havent found any good spots yet. im new at deep water stuff,and what do you mean by toad?Quotebottledgt, you have some great info to pick through in the above post. I was a little rough on you in my post, but no appology coming from me. Do yourself a favor and stick with it. It will pay off sooner than later. The first time you hit a fish with a plastic, you fail to move him an inch, and he hits you back harder you will know all the frustration will be worth it.Keep us posted on your progress, and remember, giving up is for loosers. Now go stick that toad in 20' of water.
Jack
retiredbosn reply :
A toad is a big bass, synonomous with hawg, lunker, biggun, etc.
ABLE2DISABLE1 reply :
On any time of the day,those structure fish could be tight during fronts, or just off the area you are fishing.Depth plays a fracture, and then again sunny days, could be just alike with different attitudes.Suspended up/down and or away from the cover.I personally love the depths below.Gratifying, yet Disappointing all the same.
Koop reply :
QuoteDo you think Ike ever gave up?
noo... Ike NEVER GIVES UP!!!!! Sorry couldn't pass it up. ;D
If you continue to fish deep structure you will learn it. Electronics are a HUGE help here. If you do not have electronics, I would skip fishing deep structure unless you are EXTREMELY dedicated. When I first started fishing deep structure we never had electronics... just used a rope with depth markings. We would drag it until we found the drop offs, and mark the edges with buoys. :
Deep water is a beast that I still struggle with every time I fish it. I am by no meens an expert, but you have to practice it. It will pay off, especially if your somewhere with a good smally population.
bottledgt reply :
ha,,,went out last night for an ALL night fishing night. had a good time except for the 2 hour rain in the beginning. didnt catch anything until 2 AM. started working an underwater hump that ran about 150 yds long from 3 ft down to 20 with a deep crank dragging the rocks. got a 2 lber. then we started on it some more. then i hooked this...not what i expected,but it was d**n fun. so basically i guess i failed again,but i wouldnt mind failing more often. this is the 2nd time this has happened within a month on a crankbait...
8lb cat...
endless reply :
for what is worth nice cat. i myself havent tried deep water yet i just fish early and hope for the best. im still new and trying to learn what i can.. i bout to rig my jon boat with a light so i can start night fishing on lakes that is allowed. but the areas i fish now is only sunrise to sunset.
Lynx reply :
Quotenot having any luck with this structure,open water stuff. ive tried and tried. just aint happenin. if i cant find fish around weeds or cover, i might as well head to the house it seems. if there are weeds in open water, i can catch fish usually if they are there. but as far as points,dropoffs, i think ive caught 2 this whole year doing it. and neither one was worth catching.
Taken into mind that the condition of the water such as: temperature & color are factors into this. Something to remember is to match the color of whatever it is that you are using to the color of the water.
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