What Type Of Point Is This? 2024
basslover12345 reply :
What type of point is this? Secondary or main? And how would you fish it....... there is a bunch of pea gravel towards the end of it, I discovered it today drop shotting.
Jig Man reply :
I'd guess it is a secondary point since it doesn't look like you are on the main lake. How I'd fish it would depend on the depth of the water, speed and direction of the wind and the time of year.
BASSclary reply :
extra words
tnbassfisher reply :
On 11/14/2011 at 11:41 AM, BASSclary said:extra words
That is still somewhat confusing. What differentiates the two? Size?
Jig Man reply :
Main point is really a (main lake point); a point that is in the main body of water. A secondary point is one inside a cove or bay, at least around here.
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
Since most of my area lakes are just a main lake here is my opinion.
A main point is a large point. Starting with the largest in the lake and working down. Usually jutting out perpendicular to the shoreline.
A secondary point, to me is a point that juts off of one of the before mentioned points.
Also, I don't consider a point, a point unless it is an underwater point. Land points are more wind/current directors than structure.
All of course IMO.
EDIT: See to me BOTH that are circled are not points at all.
basslover12345 reply :
Jig Fisherman, So since I was able to feel long stretches of what felt like pea gravel with my 1/4 ounce drop shot weight right next to the corner of the point and was able to see large "chunk rock" along the bank of the point when the water level was down in the summer....... would that be a underwater point because of the gravel I felt at the end underwater?
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
On 11/15/2011 at 8:22 AM, basslover12345 said:Jig Fisherman, So since I was able to feel long stretches of what felt like pea gravel with my 1/4 ounce drop shot weight right next to the corner of the point and was able to see large "chunk rock" along the bank of the point when the water level was down in the summer....... would that be a underwater point because of the gravel I felt at the end underwater?
That would just be shoreline cover....
To me, a point is only a point if it contains underwater contour changes that mirror a point.
In this picture, Walkers point, IS a point because it contains underwater contours in point form. As opposed to a shoreline point without any underwater contour change.
tnbassfisher reply :
On 11/15/2011 at 9:01 AM, JIGFISHERMAN. said:That would just be shoreline cover....
To me, a point is only a point if it contains underwater contour changes that mirror a point.
In this picture, Walkers point, IS a point because it contains underwater contours in point form. As opposed to a shoreline point without any underwater contour change.
That just took me beyond confusion.
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
On 11/15/2011 at 10:49 AM, tnbassfisher said:That just took me beyond confusion.
In his lake map, both "points" have contours that follow the same shoreline pattern as the rest of the shoreline around it.
The point in the lake map I pointed out, actually contains a point on the water side not just shore side.
To clarify my point:Ignore shoreline points, and concentrate on lake contour line points.
Ima Bass Ninja reply :
here's the way i view 'em
Main lake point- A point that extends into the main body of water
Secondary point- A point that extends(usually perpendicular) off of a main lake point, or a point that is contained within a cove.
J Francho reply :
QuoteWhat type of point is this?
Let me ask this: how would labeling it help you catch fish?
It's a point. Whether you call it a main lake point, secondary point, etc. makes no difference.
Bottom line, some points are better than others. You are looking for underwater points.
Elegantly Wasted reply :
I think some consistency in how the terms are used is critical in order to facilitate transfer of knowledge. This is especially true in the case of a new bass fisherman asking for help in breaking down a lake and he is told something to the effect of, "I like to start with main lake points, cuts and bluffs and then move on to secondary points and old road beds". Standardizing terminology is a natural progression in the evolution of the sport as more and more layers of complexity and knowledge are added.
J Francho reply :
Quote"I like to start with main lake points, cuts and bluffs and then move on to secondary points and old road beds"
Those are just bass fishing buzzwords used to impress. They tell us nothing about what the fish are doing and why a particular lure or presentation is working. They are also structures that may not apply to waters guys fish. You won't find a road bed in a natural lake. Terms like that are explicitly NOT standardized, and are colloquialisms. We had a detailed discussion here recently about feeder creeks and other fishing terms. There isn't one single definition - that's up to you to define when explaining the problem or situation.
1234567 reply :
On 11/15/2011 at 9:01 AM, JIGFISHERMAN. said:That would just be shoreline cover....
To me, a point is only a point if it contains underwater contour changes that mirror a point.
In this picture, Walkers point, IS a point because it contains underwater contours in point form. As opposed to a shoreline point without any underwater contour change.
Well said, I agree. I think the more productful points are exactly what you are referring too. A point with underwater contours that eventually drop off into deep BIG bass water. I see alot of shoreline points that are, well just that..no drop, ledges, shelfs or whatever you want to call them.
J Francho reply :
Big shoreline points can alter wind patterns, creating current patterns, and therefore influencing baitfish movement. Something to think about, even if the underwater structure is less than attractive.
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
On 11/16/2011 at 3:53 AM, J Francho said:Big shoreline points can alter wind patterns, creating current patterns, and therefore influencing baitfish movement. Something to think about, even if the underwater structure is less than attractive.
I agree....
pitchinthejig reply :
On 11/15/2011 at 9:01 AM, JIGFISHERMAN. said:That would just be shoreline cover....
To me, a point is only a point if it contains underwater contour changes that mirror a point.
In this picture, Walkers point, IS a point because it contains underwater contours in point form. As opposed to a shoreline point without any underwater contour change.
110% totally agree with you on this.
Elegantly Wasted reply :
On 11/16/2011 at 1:32 AM, J Francho said:Those are just bass fishing buzzwords used to impress. They tell us nothing about what the fish are doing and why a particular lure or presentation is working. They are also structures that may not apply to waters guys fish. You won't find a road bed in a natural lake. Terms like that are explicitly NOT standardized, and are colloquialisms. We had a detailed discussion here recently about feeder creeks and other fishing terms. There isn't one single definition - that's up to you to define when explaining the problem or situation.
I agree; that sentence is full of jargon that's meaningless because of the variability in definitions of the terms. Unfortunately they're used ad nauseum. And that's my point. There are too many terms that are more confusing than they are useful in the sport of bass fishing. In order for the sport to continue to develop, those types of terms need to have agreed upon definitions. If my colleagues and I spoke to one another or our patients about "that elbow bendy muscle" instead of using concise standardized terms there would be mass confusion, poor outcomes, etc. Why shouldn't the sport of bass fishing strive to have simple, meaningful, standardized terms that facilitate transfer of knowledge?
jojo&laken reply :
well i thought a main lake point was on the main lake and a secondary point was a point cove or branch of the lake that would not be considered the "main lake". I call them secondary points all the way back to the back of the creek or branch or whatever. When it gets to where you were fishing i call them back water points it just helps me break the area down a little bit more I would probably fish a shaky head or a small crank bait that was a little to deep for the depth of water so it would dig the pea gravel both of them would make noise on the gravel sometimes that helps too. Really what you call a point only matters to you. I a fishes eyes a point can be 3 inches tall and 2 foot long or it could be 3o foot deep and a mile long get my drift
flipin4bass reply :
On 11/16/2011 at 1:32 AM, J Francho said:Those are just bass fishing buzzwords used to impress. They tell us nothing about what the fish are doing and why a particular lure or presentation is working. They are also structures that may not apply to waters guys fish. You won't find a road bed in a natural lake. Terms like that are explicitly NOT standardized, and are colloquialisms. We had a detailed discussion here recently about feeder creeks and other fishing terms. There isn't one single definition - that's up to you to define when explaining the problem or situation.
Well said Francho!
Hooligan reply :
I don't disagree with you JF, but there is some truth that being able to delineate and differentiate the two. Let's use a large river system impoundment as a an example. A primary point, one being the closest point to the channel at the mouth of a well defined cove, will very often have fish stacked on it at different times of the year. If, in relation to said point a pattern emerges and you tell someone that fish are staging on points where there's current, they may take that to mean that there are fish on every point in the lake. However if you say that fish are on primaries on current side, or on top of, or in 20' on the backside of primaries... It becomes a lot easier to delineate the differences. The same can be said for secondaries, or minor points. The more info you're able to read into a point on a topo map, the better off you are in terms of that delineation process.
As has been covered, a point that extends out into the water is what you're generally after. There will be cases that flat points on primary locations will be loaded with fish, but those times are going to be far fewer than finding fish on points of the other types. Structure on points is hugely important, as is cover. Bottom composition and the way current plays on the point is very important.
J Francho reply :
I don't disagree with anything you said, and in fact I could probably expand on your thoughts - much of it applies to many of the "natural impounments" or bays off the big lake that I frequent, especially in regards to current. I think that's a big reason Finger Lakes guys struggle on these bays - they aren't like lakes.
That said, sometimes I will try to generalize things, based on the OP's implied skill level. Right or wrong, that advice will open doors to crticism by more experienced anglers.
Hooligan reply :
Absolutely agreed.
Pete-K reply :
I like the main lake points that are under water. Say off a ledge or hump that falls off into the middle of the lake. And therefore being a Creek Channel or River ledge right near them. Lower end of Pickwick has a lot of these. And they hold the best fish and lots of Big Small mouth bass. Plus theres not near as many people beating them to death like the ones on the banks.
But to me I was always told main lake point out on the main section of the lake. Mid point is back in a cove or Creek.
Pete
basskng21 reply :
i use the KELLY worm for this situation. just let it sit for a few min.
redboat reply :
On 11/18/2011 at 2:42 PM, Elegantly Wasted said:If my colleagues and I spoke to one another or our patients about "that elbow bendy muscle" instead of using concise standardized terms there would be mass confusion, poor outcomes, etc
Just a guess but did you perhaps had to put in more time studying to get your MD than is required to optain a fishing license? 
lmoore reply :
So....how about we move the discussion to tirciary points? 
I'm not even sure if I spelled that right. I agree with those saying a point is a point. The only thing important about location is the time of year and weather conditions which will cause the fish to relate to it. You can figure that out without ever knowing what it's specifically called. The less complicated you make fishing, the easier it gets.
J Francho reply :
I consulted Long Mike, it's tertiary.
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
On 1/10/2012 at 11:23 PM, lmoore said:So....how about we move the discussion to tirciary points?
I'm not even sure if I spelled that right. I agree with those saying a point is a point. The only thing important about location is the time of year and weather conditions which will cause the fish to relate to it. You can figure that out without ever knowing what it's specifically called. The less complicated you make fishing, the easier it gets.
The only problem is that many use point as any point. As in, if the shoreline forms a point, it's a point, and if there is a lake bottom countour point, it's a point.
To me, there is only one point. Lake countour point.
lmoore reply :
On 1/10/2012 at 11:31 PM, J Francho said:I consulted Long Mike, it's tertiary.
That looks much more like a real word, thanks!
On 1/10/2012 at 11:42 PM, JIGFISHERMAN. said:The only problem is that many use point as any point. As in, if the shoreline forms a point, it's a point, and if there is a lake bottom countour point, it's a point.
To me, there is only one point. Lake countour point.
Agreed, but "a point is a point" still applies because if a point isn't a point, then it's not a point. 
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
On 1/11/2012 at 12:27 AM, lmoore said:That looks much more like a real word, thanks!
Agreed, but "a point is a point" still applies because if a point isn't a point, then it's not a point.
There are a ton of guys who call shorline points that have no lake countour point asscossiated with it, a point.
Those are not points.
In fact, the OP is a perfect example of this.
lmoore reply :
On 1/11/2012 at 12:47 AM, JIGFISHERMAN. said:There are a ton of guys who call shorline points that have no lake countour point asscossiated with it, a point.
Those are not points.
In fact, the OP is a perfect example of this.
I agree with that part, I just wanted an excuse to say point as many times as possible For lack of a better term, I would still call the shoreline structure types a "point", they just woudn't really have the fish staging advantages of true underwater points. I feel like I'm starting to talk myself in circles, but I know what I'm trying to say, even if no one else does.
gobig reply :
Weeds, shadows, docks, logs, stumps, mud lines, fallen trees ect... all form points that fish use. Points are not limited to land/structure.
point
/pɔɪnt/ Show Spelled[point] Show IPA
noun
1.
a sharp or tapering end, as of a dagger.
2.
a projecting part of anything: A point of land juts into the bay.
3.
a tapering extremity: the points of the fingers.
4.
something having a sharp or tapering end: a pen point.
5.
a pointed tool or instrument, as an etching needle.
lmoore reply :
^^Good point (pun absolutely intended). However, I would put those points in a bag with the shoreline structure "points." They can be called that, and 100% correctly, to get your intended meaning (didn't want to use point again) across, but when I think of a "point" in terms of the meaning often associated with a body of water, it refers to a structure which tapers from shoreline out into the water. At least, that's how I always think about it.
Those other points have certain times of year where they will hold fish, but the points which reach underwater will hold fish almost year round. They are more of a major structure in the lake/river/etc. while the others are secondary structure/cover.
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
On 1/11/2012 at 2:24 AM, gobig said:Weeds, shadows, docks, logs, stumps, mud lines, fallen trees ect... all form points that fish use. Points are not limited to land/structure.
point
noun
1.
a sharp or tapering end, as of a dagger.
2.
a projecting part of anything: A point of land juts into the bay.
3.
a tapering extremity: the points of the fingers.
4.
something having a sharp or tapering end: a pen point.
5.
a pointed tool or instrument, as an etching needle.
In fishing, to me anyways, a point is structure.
Everything you listed above is cover, not structure.
J Francho reply :
OK, we get it. The point nazi has spoken, LOL.
Amd yes, trees, docks, stumps, etc. are cover. Weed lines, mud lines, and shadows could be argued as something completely different - edges.
JIGFISHERMAN. reply :
On 1/11/2012 at 3:35 AM, J Francho said:OK, we get it. The point nazi has spoken, LOL.
Amd yes, trees, docks, stumps, etc. are cover. Weed lines, mud lines, and shadows could be argued as something completely different - edges.
I remember that bugging me when I was fishing with my dad/brother when I was 12 years old.
Then again, I'm sure when you are 12, you think you know everything.
A-Rob reply :
Sounds like we have figured out what a "point" is....let us move onto "pockets"....and then to the difference between a "trench" and a "ditch"...and then to whatever the heck this sentence means "got a tick and laid the steel into 'em and lipped that chunk"
haha I love fishing
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