Trolling:banned For Bass. Why. 2024
MassBass reply :
Saw a Linder program where they were trolling for crappie. Very systematic and professional, with a special rig and complex use of electronics and motors. I know if I watched alot of walleye tornys i would probably see similar. Why is trolling banned for bass fishing tournaments? Maybe its too good. But if the whole field could do it it wouldn't be unfair. I myself know how good trolling can be for (sm) bass, line up on the drop-off from the bank and run a good crankbait behind the outboard (on turtle) or paddle speed. I think trolling would add a whole new dynamic to the sport and lead to more interesting tournaments, especially on lakes like erie and champlain.
basscatcher8 reply :
I think it would make for more boring tournaments. I've watched some of the walleye trolling fests and its usually pretty lame. I love walleye fishing and do troll myself but sure doesnt make good tv. As far as seeing it at the club level or something......well monkey see monkey do the lower levels always seem to follow the pro's on most everything they do.
I think the closest they get is strolling where they cast out then use the trolling motor to back away from the lure and get more line out then start winding.
BrianinMD reply :
Bass tourneys are about finding the fish and getting them to bite. Trolling around is both boring and takes away the input of the angler in the action of the bait. Might as well just allow live bait.
scaleface reply :
Gary Klein Won a Bass event and it was almost trolling. He let a worm fall deep to the bottom and used his trolling motor to move it along.
To answer your question , I think it would be rather difficult to be fishing a point and other contestants trying to troll it . I troll often but always where others are not fishing .I think it would cause a lot of confrontations in a tournament.
Penguino reply :
Its all about the fans. Who would want to watch a 2 hour segment of a bass tournament with the anglers just watching their trolling lines?
tomustang reply :
I can see the heated arguments now:
Hey man you're burning my 2500ft trolling spot!
Alonerankin2 reply :
Yup, and then we would really hear about boating crashes/ blackbeard boardings, hey that might spice up tournaments a bit..
TrippyJai reply :
On 1/27/2015 at 6:14 AM, scaleface said:Gary Klein Won a Bass event and it was almost trolling. He let a worm fall deep to the bottom and used his trolling motor to move it along.
To answer your question , I think it would be rather difficult to be fishing a point and other contestants trying to troll it . I troll often but always where others are not fishing .I think it would cause a lot of confrontations in a tournament.
I've also seen tournaments where the anglers would use their trolling motors for crankbait fishing. It was the only way to get their bait to 20+ feet and stay in the strike zone longer. It is legal because it burns a lot of time doing it.
bassindon reply :
Rules also change because someone wins more than once or twice.
plumworm reply :
Is it because watching paint dry is more fun?
Team9nine reply :
The answer is because when Ray Scott first started and devised the rules for his national B.A.S.S. events, he envisioned a competition where guys who didn't know each other were paired together in boats and competed "mano y mano," cast for cast, one lure each. Each angler was competing against all the other guys, and everyone's weight was an individual score - let the best man win. As such, there was no good way to implement trolling into the game and keep with the spirit of competition and fairness he sought. Since Ray and B.A.S.S. set the rules, most every other bass tourney organization that followed did the same. If you take note of the professional tours for other species you'll see the difference. For example, the walleye guys (PWT, AIM, etc.) were always paired as a pro and a co-angler in the same boat, and had a shared weight system (work as a team, and the weight for the boat is the weight recorded for both the pro angler and the co-angler). Makes trolling and scoring fair for both partners. Similarly, nearly all professional crappie events are "team" events, where the team (both guys) get the same weight for the day. As such, trolling is a perfectly good tactic again, fair for all. Ray set the rules for bass competition, so that's how we play the game.
-T9
Catch 22 reply :
I see lots of conflict if one angler wants to troll and the other doesn`t. One angler may not be set up for trolling so its nap time.It can be a very effective catch method, but I always thought that the boat catches the fish, not the angler.
As for me and trolling===no thanks, I `d rather go fishing
C22
Lund Explorer reply :
On 1/27/2015 at 10:29 AM, Team9nine said:The answer is because when Ray Scott first started and devised the rules for his national B.A.S.S. events, he envisioned a competition where guys who didn't know each other were paired together in boats and competed "mano y mano," cast for cast, one lure each. Each angler was competing against all the other guys, and everyone's weight was an individual score - let the best man win. As such, there was no good way to implement trolling into the game and keep with the spirit of competition and fairness he sought. Since Ray and B.A.S.S. set the rules, most every other bass tourney organization that followed did the same. If you take note of the professional tours for other species you'll see the difference. For example, the walleye guys (PWT, AIM, etc.) were always paired as a pro and a co-angler in the same boat, and had a shared weight system (work as a team, and the weight for the boat is the weight recorded for both the pro angler and the co-angler). Makes trolling and scoring fair for both partners. Similarly, nearly all professional crappie events are "team" events, where the team (both guys) get the same weight for the day. As such, trolling is a perfectly good tactic again, fair for all. Ray set the rules for bass competition, so that's how we play the game.
-T9
There's the answer!
No whining about it being boring or any of the other myths associated with the tactic, just pure logic.
TorqueConverter reply :
It's not the destination, but the journey. If I didn't find casting baits for bass fun then I'd be fishing for an entirely diffrent species. Catching bass ain't all that special; it's the fishing for them in a stealthy shallow water casting technique that is a good part of the fun. I prefer to cast for my walleye and muskey than troll.
Search and destroy is fun. Trolling be in short line or long line, while highly effective. is boring. IMHO.
slonezp reply :
On 1/27/2015 at 6:13 AM, BrianinMD said:Bass tourneys are about finding the fish and getting them to bite. Trolling around is both boring and takes away the input of the angler in the action of the bait. Might as well just allow live bait.
Tell that to the guys who troll for salmon on the Great Lakes or guys who troll for walleye in the north. There's a lot of precision involved
Lund Explorer reply :
On 1/27/2015 at 7:39 PM, slonezp said:Tell that to the guys who troll for salmon on the Great Lakes or guys who troll for walleye in the north. There's a lot of precision involved
Almost makes a guy think that Buck Perry was just a bum who lucked into every fish he ever caught.
Choporoz reply :
On 1/27/2015 at 7:55 PM, Lund Explorer said:Almost makes a guy think that Buck Perry was just a bum who lucked into every fish he ever caught.
Right! Ha! I can't help but roll my eyes when I hear arguments about trolling (and other 'methods') not being 'sporting' or too easy or no fun. I'm sure I'm the only one here, but if I thought I could catch more and/or bigger bass by trolling, I'd be doing it....every time. Buck Perry was brilliant
roadwarrior reply :
David Hayes caught The World Record Smallmouth while trolling for walleye.
http://www.bassmaster.com/news/david-hayes-and-world-record-smallmouth-bass
MassBass reply :
Just when you start to think trolling is boring is when you almost get the rod ripped out of your hands.
fisherrw reply :
Trolling is a fair way to catch bass but if it's banded in a tornement that's that. You have to follow the rules. I have caught bass trolling for trout in Shasta and trinity. But I preffer other techniques for bass... That's just my take.
roadwarrior reply :
Most of the guys fishing below dams on the Tennessee River spend their entire day "drifting".
There are some differences between this and trolling, but there are more similarities. I like
drifting and trolling!
HoosierHawgs reply :
So in reality, these rules are all made so the bait monkey can get me to buy more gear!On 1/28/2015 at 1:04 AM, Catt said:Sorry but Dee Thomas's Tule Dipping rod wasn't banned, his technique used no reel, the rule stated rod & reel.
roadwarrior reply :
A couple of posts have been removed. You guys got a beef from another forum, take it off-line.
-Kent a.k.a. roadwarrior
Global Moderator
Ratherbfishing reply :
On 1/28/2015 at 2:35 AM, roadwarrior said:A couple of posts have been removed. You guys got a beef from another forum, take it off-line.
-Kent a.k.a. roadwarrior
Global Moderator
So, were they trolling trolls? jk
hatrix reply :
For me it is not as exciting to do. It's pretty much a staple for walleye out here though. But those fish are 99.99999% of the time kept. It would be pretty boring to me to troll for a 1-2# bass. Even normal fishing and catching fish that size is somewhat beat. I guess that's why I have moved towards big swimbaits and such.
slonezp reply :
On 1/28/2015 at 3:13 AM, Ratherbfishing said:So, were they trolling trolls? jk
or trolls trolling?
corn-on-the-rob reply :
Obviously there is a lot of technique and knowledge (location, depth, speed, color, time of day etc.) that goes into trolling but to me, especially in a tournament scenario, It is about each angler having direct contact and personally imparting action to their presentations in order to catch more/bigger bass than other competitors. You can also argue that there is a lot of gray area because there is, but I like the way it is.
scaleface reply :
I like the way it is too. Trolling would cause a lot of problems in bass tourneys .
I also like to troll and have learned a lot from it. I have learned what active schools of white bass look like on a depth finder and I have learned what schools of big channel cats look like too. Theres not much funner fishing than trolling a noisy crankbait through a bunch of channel cats. You will usually hook up with one.
Mass Bassin' reply :
because its ghetto :|
zachb34 reply :
not sure what tourney it was but I saw a pretty well known angler "get around" the rule. What he did was cast as far as he could and then with his reel disengaged he would troll away from it. Once he was where he wanted to be he stopped and then reeled in at the speed he wanted to. He apparently did it to get more depth not so much to cover water.
basscatcher8 reply :
On 1/31/2015 at 2:40 AM, zachb34 said:not sure what tourney it was but I saw a pretty well known angler "get around" the rule. What he did was cast as far as he could and then with his reel disengaged he would troll away from it. Once he was where he wanted to be he stopped and then reeled in at the speed he wanted to. He apparently did it to get more depth not so much to cover water.
I believe thats what they call strolling.
Team9nine reply :
On 1/31/2015 at 2:40 AM, zachb34 said:not sure what tourney it was but I saw a pretty well known angler "get around" the rule. What he did was cast as far as he could and then with his reel disengaged he would troll away from it. Once he was where he wanted to be he stopped and then reeled in at the speed he wanted to. He apparently did it to get more depth not so much to cover water.
What is described above is actually "long-lining." It is a tactic to get normal deep divers even deeper, down to 25'-35' depths or more "on a cast". This is easily accomplished with trolling due to the fixed length of line out and control over that length. "Strolling" is a common tactic on places like Erie where you basically drag a tube or jig or similar bottom bait on a semi-fixed line length while the wind or trolling motor moves you along over a large expanse of water like a reef or flat. As long as you work the rod and reel to some degree, it isn't considered trolling. In either case, the fact that professional bass anglers go to such lengths to basically try and replicate trolling while still staying within the rules of a "no trolling allowed" system should give you some idea of the advantages to the technique. If pro circuits allowed it, no doubt some pros would do it, especially on a circuit like B.A.S.S. where the pro is only paired with a marshal.
-T9
zachb34 reply :
I think it's also been called long lining. I didn't want to say long lining though because that also refers to a controversial commercial saltwater fishing issue.
Derek A. reply :
Trolling is one of the reasons why I've made a switch from fishing walleye tournaments to bass couple years ago. It may be very effective at times but also extremely boring, and even though you have to know what you are doing it doesn't involve a lot of skill in my opinion. I won't be very sad if I never troll another day in my life.
HoosierHawgs reply :
Called strolling and is perfectly legal by BASS rules. KVD does it all the time.On 1/31/2015 at 2:40 AM, zachb34 said:not sure what tourney it was but I saw a pretty well known angler "get around" the rule. What he did was cast as far as he could and then with his reel disengaged he would troll away from it. Once he was where he wanted to be he stopped and then reeled in at the speed he wanted to. He apparently did it to get more depth not so much to cover water.
corn-on-the-rob reply :
I also feel that if trolling was "the best thing to do" on certain lakes, there would be issues of unique water. Since trolling can cover so much water during a day a 100+ boat tournament on a smaller lake (especially one with hot areas) multiple anglers could potentially be fishing the same exact routes/waypoints or covering the same relative area which I could see causing issues or at the least make it pretty boring for the viewers.
Lund Explorer reply :
On 1/31/2015 at 8:15 PM, corn-on-the-rob said:I also feel that if trolling was "the best thing to do" on certain lakes, there would be issues of unique water. Since trolling can cover so much water during a day a 100+ boat tournament on a smaller lake (especially one with hot areas) multiple anglers could potentially be fishing the same exact routes/waypoints or covering the same relative area which I could see causing issues or at the least make it pretty boring for the viewers.
If you want to experience crowded water, try a trip in August up north of "The Bath House" off Ludington on Lake Michigan. And those guys run anywhere between 10-15+ rods per boat. Always one or two that can't just get in line, or think they have to run leadcore 300' behind their boats in those conditions.
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