There are spinnerbaits with black blades and black skirts. I've always used them at night, and NOT in the daytime. I met another fisherman who uses black blades for slo-rolling deep, during the daytime.
Who here uses black blades during the daytime, and more importantly .... why? Thnx. jj
I use black spinnerbaits for smallmouth all the time. The blades are nickel but the skirt, head and trailer are black. I use them simply because the section of the saint lawrence that i fish is quite muddy. Probably 5-7 foot visibility on a good day. The black silhouette stands out more in murkier water compared to more natural colored skirts. Still, im not sure how important the color of a spinnerbait is, considering all the vibrations it gives off, the fish "feel" it more than they see it. Either way, its worked for me.
On 12/9/2019 at 7:10 AM, Finessegenics said:The blades are nickel but the skirt, head and trailer are black.
Yeah, I've used that type, too. This guy swore that black blades were magic on or near the bottom. I would have laughed him off, but the day I met him he out-fished me 3-to-2 in about 1/2 hour, then went his way.
Now this guy and I were talking for a little while. He said that for a lo-'n-slo spinnerbait, you want a visible skirt and much-less-visible blades. That way, the fish goes for the skirt (and hook) and not the blades. It's just the opposite of a wake spinnerbait.
One thing I do remember: when I used Wordens Super Roostertails in 3/8 or (the now-discontinued) 1/2 oz., I had maybe 20 or 25 percent of my fish hooked on the outside of the lower jaw. They were going for the blade, not the body. But I never thought too much about it, because the "body" on a Super Roostertail ain't very much. Just a dinky lead cylinder with a pitiful little dab of dressing.
I dunno. I never talked to anyone who said stuff like this guy. It makes me wonder about the Mepps in-line spinners with black blades, too. I've been looking at them lately. I used to think, "No way!", and pass them by, but now I'm not so sure.
I hope I'm not missing something here. Bait Monkey would kick my keister. ???? jj
On 12/9/2019 at 7:37 AM, jimmyjoe said:Yeah, I've used that type, too. This guy swore that black blades were magic on or near the bottom. I would have laughed him off, but the day I met him he out-fished me 3-to-2 in about 1/2 hour, then went his way.
Now this guy and I were talking for a little while. He said that for a lo-'n-slo spinnerbait, you want a visible skirt and much-less-visible blades. That way, the fish goes for the skirt (and hook) and not the blades. It's just the opposite of a wake spinnerbait.
One thing I do remember: when I used Wordens Super Roostertails in 3/8 or (the now-discontinued) 1/2 oz., I had maybe 20 or 25 percent of my fish hooked on the outside of the lower jaw. They were going for the blade, not the body. But I never thought too much about it, because the "body" on a Super Roostertail ain't very much. Just a dinky lead cylinder with a pitiful little dab of dressing.
I dunno. I never talked to anyone who said stuff like this guy. It makes me wonder about the Mepps in-line spinners with black blades, too. I've been looking at them lately. I used to think, "No way!", and pass them by, but now I'm not so sure.
I hope I'm not missing something here. Bait Monkey would kick my keister. ???? jj
In my experience, all my spinnerbait fish seemed to go for the skirt. Always hooked perfectly in the top jaw. But now you've got me wondering if the few fish I've lost went for the blades instead and ended up being poorly hooked...dont know why I never thought about that. Ive never really tried the slow roll technique either. I like to use spinnerbaits to search for fish and find out how active they are.
Another thing I wanted to add is the guy mentioning how he wanted "much less visible blaids". Shouldnt he just be using a swim jig then? I know the blades add extra vibration but slow fishing and bumping a swim jig off of cover seems like a good alternative to finding a spinnerbait with black blades. Its also way more weedless. But hey what do i know, Ive never caught anything on a swim jig.
On 12/9/2019 at 7:52 AM, Finessegenics said:Another thing I wanted to add is the guy mentioning how he wanted "much less visible blaids". Shouldnt he just be using a swim jig then? I know the blades add extra vibration but slow fishing and bumping a swim jig off of cover seems like a good alternative to finding a spinnerbait with black blades. Its also way more weedless. But hey what do i know, Ive never caught anything on a swim jig.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Sometimes you meet characters when you're fishing and they make you re-think a lot of things.
Probably the reason this guy didn't use swim jigs is the same reason I don't use swim jigs: we're both shorecasters. If you want to slow roll your lure just a hair's-breadth off the bottom, you can do it a LOT easier with a spinnerbait than a jig. More feedback, as in more "feel". jj
I use to use them a lot during the day . I dont know why I stopped , they worked well . Won my first club tourney using a black bait with a big Colorado copper blade .
Had moderate success using black baits during the daylight.
Bought several dark Colorado bladed spinnerbaits on clearance which make the claim " designed for night fishing ".
Never considered them for day use.
I do however throw spinnerbaits quite often and it's always white and always willow.
I've always worked these baits high in the water column and fairly aggressive and find to many other effective baits vs slow rolling spinnerbaits at depth.
Perhaps it's time to give these dust collectors a try, thanks.
Not super frequently but I definitely do. Typically when the water clarity is poor. I’ve never “ripped” one but I also don’t just slow roll them. On the days it’s worked, it’s worked well.
I like black nickle blades whenever I don't want all the flash of a spinnerbait. Especially when I'm fishing a bluegill or black skirted bait.
On 12/9/2019 at 10:30 PM, fishballer06 said:I like black nickle blades whenever I don't want all the flash of a spinnerbait. Especially when I'm fishing a bluegill or black skirted bait.
Thanks, but please elaborate. When is it that you don't want the flash of a spinnerbait, other than fishing a bluegill or black skirt? When it's overcast? When you're deep running? In really clear water? Fishing on the bottom, like stop-n-go?
Maybe I'm an optimist, but I think there's gotta be some kind of pattern here. That old guy is gone, and now I wish I had picked his brain a lot more.
Bad thing is, if I just start adding black-bladed lures, both in-line and spinnerbaits, without some idea of what to look for and why to do it, I could spend a pretty good chunk of change on a blind venture with a useless outcome. I don't mind experimenting (in fact I love it!) but a person needs some sort of understanding to begin the experiment. jj
Mostly for night fishing but I do use them in muddy water as well. Since we all have different definitions to me muddy water means brown and less the 12" of visibility.
Allen
On 12/9/2019 at 11:13 PM, jimmyjoe said:Thanks, but please elaborate. When is it that you don't want the flash of a spinnerbait, other than fishing a bluegill or black skirt? When it's overcast? When you're deep running? In really clear water? Fishing on the bottom, like stop-n-go?
Maybe I'm an optimist, but I think there's gotta be some kind of pattern here. That old guy is gone, and now I wish I had picked his brain a lot more.
Bad thing is, if I just start adding black-bladed lures, both in-line and spinnerbaits, without some idea of what to look for and why to do it, I could spend a pretty good chunk of change on a blind venture with a useless outcome. I don't mind experimenting (in fact I love it!) but a person needs some sort of understanding to begin the experiment. jj
When don't I want flash? Mainly on sunnier days, or clearer water.
We all know there are days when the fish want a ton of flash, and other days they don't. It's just how it goes.
I build my own spinnerbaits, so it makes the cost of the baits down and it allows me customize them to exactly how I want. Munkin also makes his own, and definitely knows even more than I do on the subject.
Still got a few of these sitting in the tackle room ????
On 12/9/2019 at 11:13 PM, jimmyjoe said:Thanks, but please elaborate. When is it that you don't want the flash of a spinnerbait, other than fishing a bluegill or black skirt? When it's overcast? When you're deep running? In really clear water? Fishing on the bottom, like stop-n-go?
Maybe I'm an optimist, but I think there's gotta be some kind of pattern here. That old guy is gone, and now I wish I had picked his brain a lot more.
Bad thing is, if I just start adding black-bladed lures, both in-line and spinnerbaits, without some idea of what to look for and why to do it, I could spend a pretty good chunk of change on a blind venture with a useless outcome. I don't mind experimenting (in fact I love it!) but a person needs some sort of understanding to begin the experiment. jj
Patterns do not necessarily have straightforward explanations. Simple explanations you can put into words for why one thing works, and something else doesn't, are probably the exception rather than the rule. Anglers' ability to understand the "why" of a pattern is always going to be limited by what they can observe, and many (most?) of the factors that influence a bass' willingness to strike are simply invisible to us. There is no substitute for some trial-and-error.
For years I have used black nickel blades with a black skirt on bluebird days after a cold front has passed.
On 12/10/2019 at 1:14 AM, riverat said:For years I have used black nickel blades with a black skirt on bluebird days after a cold front has passed.
Shallow or deep? Thnx. jj
On 12/9/2019 at 10:28 AM, scaleface said:I use to use them a lot during the day . I dont know why I stopped , they worked well . Won my first club tourney using a black bait with a big Colorado copper blade .
But was it the black bait or was it the copper blade? I have had some awesome outings using copper blades under cloudy low light conditions.
Black spinnierbaits with single copper Colorado blade was the go to combo in the early 80's for slow rolling day or night.
Tom
On 12/10/2019 at 2:14 AM, Dwight Hottle said:But was it the black bait or was it the copper blade? I have had some awesome outings using copper blades under cloudy low light conditions.
Hard telling . I didnt have much success with white and a large copper Colorado .
Because of this thread I'm going to make a couple of black with a large copper Colorado for next spring .
Thanks 9nine, I remember those, never bought one though.
This is a very interesting topic for me, not because of the blade discussion but because of the black bait. I received a pack of black worms a couple years ago and couldn’t stop catching fish on them in stained water and couldn’t figure why they were working. Always wanted to get more but just kept putting it off, after reading this I’ll be trying it again.
On 12/10/2019 at 7:37 AM, Midwest Fisherman said:This is a very interesting topic for me, not because of the blade discussion but because of the black bait. I received a pack of black worms a couple years ago and couldn’t stop catching fish on them in stained water and couldn’t figure why they were working. Always wanted to get more but just kept putting it off, after reading this I’ll be trying it again.
Black shows up best in dark or muddy water. Using a black bait at night doesn't make sense at first but it silouites better than any other color.
Allen
Black is good in low light conditions, being night and as a good alternative to chartreuse in dirty water.
On 12/10/2019 at 2:10 AM, jimmyjoe said:Shallow or deep? Thnx. jj
JJ
I'm using this combo in shallow water.
Black and copper spinnerbaits have kind of a cult following here. I've caught some big ones in the spring slow rolling a single Colorado bladed black spinnerbait during the day.
On 12/11/2019 at 6:27 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Black and copper spinnerbaits have kind of a cult following here. I've caught some big ones in the spring slow rolling a single Colorado bladed black spinnerbait during the day.
Good to hear.
Dark colored or light colored skirts? JJ
On 12/9/2019 at 7:37 AM, jimmyjoe said:Yeah, I've used that type, too. This guy swore that black blades were magic on or near the bottom. I would have laughed him off, but the day I met him he out-fished me 3-to-2 in about 1/2 hour, then went his way.
Now this guy and I were talking for a little while. He said that for a lo-'n-slo spinnerbait, you want a visible skirt and much-less-visible blades. That way, the fish goes for the skirt (and hook) and not the blades. It's just the opposite of a wake spinnerbait.
One thing I do remember: when I used Wordens Super Roostertails in 3/8 or (the now-discontinued) 1/2 oz., I had maybe 20 or 25 percent of my fish hooked on the outside of the lower jaw. They were going for the blade, not the body. But I never thought too much about it, because the "body" on a Super Roostertail ain't very much. Just a dinky lead cylinder with a pitiful little dab of dressing.
I dunno. I never talked to anyone who said stuff like this guy. It makes me wonder about the Mepps in-line spinners with black blades, too. I've been looking at them lately. I used to think, "No way!", and pass them by, but now I'm not so sure.
I hope I'm not missing something here. Bait Monkey would kick my keister. ???? jj
Mepp’s with black blades (Black Fury) are outstanding baits. I have caught literally 1000s of fish on them from size 1 to size 5, SMB, LMB and pike all love them. Dark or clear water, it doesn’t matter.
I've never used a black-bladed spinnerbait before, but I almost only use black skirted spinnerbaits. My most successful two are a double Colorado black/red BPS model, and an all black Terminator with a single copper blade.
On 12/12/2019 at 3:33 AM, Pickle_Power said:I've never used a black-bladed spinnerbait before, but I almost only use black skirted spinnerbaits. My most successful two are a double Colorado black/red BPS model, and an all black Terminator with a single copper blade.
I will say one thing for sure: I'm learning a lot here! Seems that old guy wasn't as crazy as I first thought. jj
The strike king midnight special is a great bait. You can practically drag it on the bottom. I’ve also had great days with a zman bait with polished silver blades that I could see flashing at the end of my cast on a sunny day. Go figure.
I still break out the black spinner baits when i fish at night but most of the time its been replaced by a black chatterbait. chatterbaits seem to cast further and tend to get less fouled up by submerged vegetation.