Drop shot philosophy / BLOWN AWAY 2024
fishraptor reply :
will try to keep it short. Went to a party when I met this guy who states he knows 3 of the fisherman I know who are FANTASTIC fisherman who regularly kick ars, but he claims he can regularly beat them all, stating he showed THEM a lot of his technics and thats why their are so good. When asked what he used for gear as I use super high end stuff (Stella, Certate, Steez, Megabass and so on) he stated $150 med/heavy Bass pro rod. Now that didn't bother me as lots of GREAT fisherman used "regular" middle of the road priced gear, but when I asked him what line he was using for D/S he stated 50# braid straight to the hook. A first I thought he was joking but he was dead serious. The water in reference is stained but not enough in my opinion to be able to use anything like that. The reason it shocked me is because I have 3 super high end true finesse drop shot rods (1 NRX, 1 Megabass Addermine & 1 Phenix MBX) all spooled with 10# Suffix 832 braid w/10# floro leader. I am a big fan of floro leaders (and though the rest of the world was too) He said he NEVER uses a floro leader except for crystal clear water. To add to this story, his buddy who is also a top notch fisherman is ordering an EXTRA HEAVY 6'3" drop shot rod.
Since im fairly new I have always read that drop shot was more of a finesse presentation so how can the 1st fisherman d/s w/50# braid tied directly to hook and the 2nd fisherman be buying a 6'3" XH rod for drop shotting. Did I miss something somewhere ? I was even thinking of putting a 4th D/S combo together with 6 to 8# for clear open water presentations.
I don't know if I have ever read of a "Pro" drop shoting w/50# braid tied direct or using an XH 6'3" rod.
P.S. In case you state gent number 1 is a BS'er, I saw the photos and he had a gazillion and most were with BIG Bass...... so it appears this guy is for real ??
OCdockskipper reply :
Any chance it could be "Dock Talk"? In other words, is it possible the guy you met is indeed an excellent fisherman (as the photos show), but he is just pulling your leg in regards to the specifics of the technique?
Sam reply :
I fished with a pro three years ago and he told me that the pros are using braid tied directly to the hook or with a leader in clear water.
He said that it does not matter if you tie the braid directly to your hook for a shaky head or drop shot presentation.
Go figure.
WRB reply :
Nah....why would any respectful bass angler BS another? What is the old saying "if a fisherman lips are moving he is lying".
Tom
MassYak85 reply :
I've heard of guys "bubba shotting" by using heavier gear to dropshot in thick cover, but if he's claiming he's using tiny #2 hooks and 4" worms and direct tying with 50lb braid I think he's pulling your leg. Even if he wanted to direct tie with braid there's no need to go anywhere close to 50lb braid for traditional dropshotting. You'll bend out most dropshot hooks even with 10lb braid.
Dens228 reply :
I don't dropshot much.......to slow for my tastes. But when I have I used a baitcaster on a MH/Fast rod with 20 or 30 lb braid..........I caught bass. Dropshot blasphemy isn't it!
I'm probably able to do it because I use a $240 rod though. Super medium centered type stuff. LOL
A-Jay reply :
On 12/25/2018 at 7:46 AM, fishraptor said:Went to a party . so it appears this guy is for real ??
Who cares -
Fish your own fish your own way.
A-Jay
Smokinal reply :
When asked what technique I won a local tourney on, I said, "Carolina rigged buzzbait"
CroakHunter reply :
On 12/25/2018 at 8:56 AM, Smokinal said:When asked what technique I won a local tourney on, I said, "Carolina rigged buzzbait"
I always say a pink buzzbait over deep trees
evo2s197 reply :
Were you telling him about all about your "super high end" equipment before he told you what he used?
Glaucus reply :
I mean, he can do that stupid crap that will result in less bites and more bent hooks and missed fish, but I'll keep doing it the right way and so will everyone else I imagine.
Pretty much guarantee he is pulling your leg though.
On 12/25/2018 at 10:56 AM, evo2s197 said:Were you telling him about all about your "super high end" equipment before he told you what he used?
Also, yeah, if you were going on like you did in the OP, that's probably why he fibbed.
fishraptor reply :
On 12/25/2018 at 10:56 AM, evo2s197 said:Were you telling him about all about your "super high end" equipment before he told you what he used?
I know where your going....great point.... but, no, he didn't give a rat's ars about my gear. I read people well..
evo2s197 reply :
Yeah that's why I was asking.
I have tons of super high end stuff also, NRX, megabass, etc.
I actually feel bad if I'm asked what I use. If I know the other guy can't afford or think it's crazy to spend a lot for fishing equipment, so i lie and say Ugly sticks????????
TnRiver46 reply :
You can fish a drop shot on a baitcaster with a heavier sinker and heavy line. It works great but I wouldn’t call it finesse. Just toss it around in stained water where you would throw a Texas rig, it gives the fish a different view of a worm they might not have seen that day
FishDewd reply :
The line I don't have much opinion about, but there really isn't much of a hookset when you're dropshotting so I can't see any reason to use anything over a medium-heavy rod unless you're trying to DS in thick cover... in which case there are likely far better presentations to use. Like punching or bouncing a weedless jig for instance. I've DS'd quite a bit, and I prefer spinshot hook setups cause I can tie a weak sacrifice weight line in case of a snag and just snap it off and retrieve the hook.
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
I DS with 30lb braid on a baitcaster. I wouldnt call it finesse at all, just mainly a way to keep my worm above grass on bottom instead of T-rig.
Call it what you want. It works. I fish it.
MickD reply :
On 12/25/2018 at 7:59 AM, WRB said:"if a fisherman lips are moving he is lying".
Tom
Tom, are your lips moving? ????
detroit1 reply :
I Carolina- rig Jitterbugs all summer long!!!????
ohboyitsrobby reply :
On 12/25/2018 at 10:16 PM, detroit1 said:I Carolina- rig Jitterbugs all summer long!!!????
This is a real similar technique to my flash mob jr with wacky rigged senkos on it.
fishraptor reply :
On 12/25/2018 at 11:05 AM, evo2s197 said:Yeah that's why I was asking.
I have tons of super high end stuff also, NRX, megabass, etc.
I actually feel bad if I'm asked what I use. If I know the other guy can't afford or think it's crazy to spend a lot for fishing equipment, so i lie and say Ugly sticks????????
good point and I totally agree. I too feel sometimes funny mentioning my collection of $400+ rods and $400+ reels especially since I am pretty much a beginner as I don't want those people to immediately associate "Hey this guy has super high end stuff so he must be a super fisherman".
I do not brag, I buy them because they are awesome to fish with. At the end of the day when SOME have tired wrists, forearms, arms, shoulders and such I do not. You can fish with these combos all day long and REALLY enjoy yourself, plus the fight is always more fun on a true finesse rod. With that said my 3 most favorite D/S spinning combos are:
NRX 842S w/ Daiwa Certate 2510
Megabass Addermine w/ Shimano Stella 3000
Phenix MBX-S (7'6") w/Tatula Serling Silver limited Edition
They all have a distinctive feel to them which makes it fun to switch between each. One last side note: Even thought the Daiwa Tatula Sterling Silver reel was only $200 bucks compared to the $7-800 Stella or $450 Daiwa Certate.... The Tatula is one awesome reel. If anyone knows of anyone who has another Sterling Silver I would love to buy as a backup.
NorthernBasser reply :
On 12/25/2018 at 11:20 PM, fishraptor said:
I do not brag
I mean, you mention high end gear under your location. ????
Way north bass guy reply :
On 12/26/2018 at 12:19 AM, NorthernBasser said:I mean, you mention high end gear under your location. ????
Some guys just can’t help themselves ????.
Munkin reply :
There is a video from a well respected fisherman on YouTube about a secret technique. Five jigs on a Alabama rig as it represents a school of crayfish.
Allen
MN Fisher reply :
On 12/26/2018 at 6:01 AM, Munkin said:There is a video from a well respected fisherman on YouTube about a secret technique. Five jigs on a Alabama rig as it represents a school of crayfish.
Allen
That would be great - if it was legal here in MN. We could rig 1 jig or other lure on it...the rest of the attachment points have to be hookless. Plain worms/crayfish or spinners without hooks.
From Minnesota's fishing regs.
"The tackle configuration known as the Alabama (Umbrella/Yumbrella) rig as it is commonly promoted is not legal in Minnesota waters."
"However, a Alabama (Umbrella/Yumbrella) would be legal if not more than one hook or artificial lure/bait is attached. An angler could place a single bait/lure with a hook on one of the wires and attach hookless spinners or plastic baits to the other wires."
WRB reply :
You and I always tell the truth, except I am not sure about you! Never hurts to drag a few TRD's across the trail to divert the hounds. As someone said don't believe dock talk, It's rarely true.
Tom
On 12/26/2018 at 6:01 AM, Munkin said:There is a video from a well respected fisherman on YouTube about a secret technique. Five jigs on a Alabama rig as it represents a school of crayfish.
Allen
Crayfish don't school!
Tom
Munkin reply :
Munkin reply :
On 12/26/2018 at 7:20 AM, WRB said:
Crayfish don't school!
Tom
Watch the video I posted, normally I don't give out the best fishing secrets like this but it is Christmas.
Allen
NorthernBasser reply :
On 12/26/2018 at 7:20 AM, WRB said:
Crayfish don't school!
Tom
The educated ones do.
WRB reply :
On 12/26/2018 at 7:46 AM, Munkin said:Watch the video I posted, normally I don't give out the best fishing secrets like this but it is Christmas.
Allen
Thanks, I needed that
cgolf reply :
I guess what cracks me up about this is that the OP considers a 150 buck rod middle of the road gear. I have only one rod worth more than that, Avid X, and I got it for 100 on sale and may pick up a Dobyns Sierra for 110 on sale.
Heck I thought I had solid middle of the road gear (60 to 110 for rods), guess I will have to keep catching tons of fish on my bargain bin crap;)
MN Fisher reply :
On 12/26/2018 at 11:50 PM, cgolf said:I guess what cracks me up about this is that the OP considers a 150 buck rod middle of the road gear. I have only one rod worth more than that and I got it for 100 on sale and may pick up a Dobyns Sierra for 110 on sale.
Heck I thought I had solid middle of the road gear (60 to 110 for rods), guess I will have to keep catching tons of fish on my bargain bin crap;)
You're doing better than me. Most expensive piece of gear I own is my Pflueger Trion 30 spinning reel. I am looking at a pitching/flipping rig - but that whole combo will cost me only about 170 including line. Fixed income = limited budget.
cgolf reply :
On 12/26/2018 at 11:53 PM, MN Fisher said:You're doing better than me. Most expensive piece of gear I own is my Pflueger Trion 30 spinning reel. I am looking at a pitching/flipping rig - but that whole combo will cost me only about 170 including line. Fixed income = limited budget.
Always interesting to see others point of view on value of gear and what is needed. I do appreciate on this forum that both ends are well represented, and nobody looks down on those of us with a smaller budget. I have participated in another forum years ago that if you had an ugly stick and didn't fish Lucky craft baits, you shouldn't even be fishing in their eyes lol.
Boomstick reply :
I have heard of a lot of people running a drop shot on heavier lines (and sometimes larger hooks), it doesn't have to be a finesse technique. 50# braid does seem a bit overkill to me though even for a heavier presentation but who knows, maybe it does work for him. It's not something I have ever tried myself.
On 12/27/2018 at 12:20 AM, cgolf said:Always interesting to see others point of view on value of gear and what is needed. I do appreciate on this forum that both ends are well represented, and nobody looks down on those of us with a smaller budget. I have participated in another forum years ago that if you had an ugly stick and didn't fish Lucky craft baits, you shouldn't even be fishing in their eyes lol.
I use what I consider middle of the road gear, roughly $100-150 a rod and reel, yet I have seem people who catch more than I do and never use anything besides a Berkley Shock Rod.
I also appreciate this forum as everyone is understanding and respectful of other people's budgets and always very helpful.
Troy85 reply :
In the summer when the grass gets really thick, I'll dropshot the holes and edges of the grass with 30lb straight braid. I think around a lot of vegetation, the bass don't really notice the green braid along side all the grass.
In the winter when the grass dies off, I use 8lb fluro.
fishraptor reply :
On 12/27/2018 at 12:20 AM, cgolf said:Always interesting to see others point of view on value of gear and what is needed. I do appreciate on this forum that both ends are well represented, and nobody looks down on those of us with a smaller budget. I have participated in another forum years ago that if you had an ugly stick and didn't fish Lucky craft baits, you shouldn't even be fishing in their eyes lol.
One of my favorite rods is a $100 Wright & McGill "Skeet Reese" (yellow) Shaky Head rod paired with a Plueger President $60 buck reel. Got the
tip from a very good fisherman and went with it. Love it.
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