What Is Wrong With My Albright Floro To Braid Connection 2025
Captain Shane Procell reply :
I'am beside myself. I have been wanting to use a fluorocarbon leader for sometime for my peacock bass trips. I finally bought a spool 20# fluorocarbon. I use 15 #@ power pro main line. I doubled over my floro and made my 10 wraps with the braid and back out like I have done a thousand times. Four out of five of my knots failed on hooksets and or cast. What the heck. BTW I use a lot of spit. Any help would be great.
Long Mike reply :
Change the knot you are using to the Stren knot. It has never failed me.
http://angling-adventures.net/knots/knots.htm
rockchalk06 reply :
15 pound braid is really thin. It's cutting into your thick Fluoro. 40# braid that I use is around 10 pound mono diameter. I use that with 20# fluoro. You need to match diameter closer. 15# braid I would use no more than 8-10 pound fluoro.
Arv reply :
On 9/26/2013 at 9:48 AM, rockchalk06 said:15 pound braid is really thin. It's cutting into your thick Fluoro. 40# braid thst I use is around 10 pound mono diameter. I use thst with 20# fluoro. You need to match diameter closer. 15# birds I would use no more than 8-10 pound fluoro.
This would be my hypothesis as well. I never use a heavier # test leader than my main line and always try to keep the size/diameter close. A little give or take either way shouldn't be a big deal as it never has been for me, but that's a large gap between 15# braid and 20# fc.
rockchalk06 reply :
I just checked and 15 pound PP is 4 pound diameter.
aquaholic reply :
Go for the alberto
EvanT123 reply :
^^I use the alberto as well. The only time it failed me was when I did not have the tag end going out the same way it came in. The Albright looks very similar. Could that be your problem as well?
Darren. reply :
Well, I use 10 lb braid regularly with leaders from 8-15 lbs and rarely have failures.
May I suggest doing a modified Albright where you wrap up 10 times and then back down 5-8 times before finishing the knot. Cinch it down slowly and see how it goes.
If that fails, try a simple uni to uni knot. I use it when I'm in a hurry, or in the mood for a change up from the Albright. Used it with 10lb PP + 10lb Yo-Zuri Hybrid leader when I caught the 6.6 lber in my avatar last Saturday.
Loop_Dad reply :
When you said it failed, did it break and slipped? I had problem with Albright when I started using braid with leader, but never failed once since I switched to Alberto.
ClackerBuzz reply :
wrap up 20 times.
fluoro and braid is a slippery combo and needs the extra wraps.
my modified Albright slips w/ 10 up and 10 back. but 20 single wraps up never fails.
SirSnookalot reply :
I think the set up is fine except the f/c leader, never liked my knots using it and never caught any more fish. I've caught hundreds of peacocks on fast moving baits, I don't see any advantage in using f/c over a mono leader. The most line shy fish I know of are spanish mackerel and kingfish, gave up on f/c leaders for them and do just as well with mono leaders.
Peacocks are great fun on light tackle ,15# braid and 20# mono leader IMO is heavy enough for them.
ClackerBuzz reply :
On 9/26/2013 at 2:29 PM, SirSnookalot said:I think the set up is fine except the f/c leader, never liked my knots using it and never caught any more fish.
I was thinking the same thing. I stopped buying fluoro and switched to Yo Zuri. Stuff is amazing--same sensitivity, strong hook sets, much more forgiving with knot tying and way cheaper!
SirSnookalot reply :
On 9/26/2013 at 2:36 PM, ClackerBuzz said:I was thinking the same thing. I stopped buying fluoro and switched to Yo Zuri. Stuff is amazing--same sensitivity, strong hook sets, much more forgiving with knot tying and way cheaper!
If one has ever caught a peacock (or just about any saltwater fish) sensitivity is of little or no issue, you get slammed. In most cases the fish hit hard enough to hook themselves without the need of a hookset, just raise the rod.
TheMightyQuinn reply :
When I am using 20 pound braid or less, I find that I have to add additional wraps. It appears like he braid is cutting through the leader material. When using 10 or 15 pound braid, I tend to make 7-10 turns down, then 10 turns up.
gravestone reply :
On 9/26/2013 at 10:52 AM, DarrenM said:May I suggest doing a modified Albright where you wrap up 10 times and then back down 5-8 times before finishing the knot. Cinch it down slowly and see how it goes.
I'd try this^^^^^^^^^^ I don't use the Albright, I use the Omni, sometimes I have to twist it more to stop it from breaking.
I think the braid cuts into the leader and more twist helps preventing it from doing that.
jtesch reply :
Try going opposite and double the braid and wrap the floro around it with 20 wraps
Captain Shane Procell reply :
On 9/27/2013 at 2:25 AM, jtesch said:Try going opposite and double the braid and wrap the floro around it with 20 wraps
I did this today and had no issues. Thanks fellas! I do believe the braid was cutting the fluorocarbon leader into.
ColdSVT reply :
On 9/26/2013 at 2:18 PM, ClackerBuzz said:wrap up 20 times.
fluoro and braid is a slippery combo and needs the extra wraps.
my modified Albright slips w/ 10 up and 10 back. but 20 single wraps up never fails.
This right here...dealt with trout and snook all the way up to sharks and tarpon with a 20 wrap albright to flouro
Bruce424 reply :
Try doubling your braid.
JD96 reply :
No point using 15# PP.
Cgrinder reply :
On 10/3/2013 at 12:05 PM, JD96 said:No point using 15# PP.
Fits pretty nicely on a 1000 spinning reel.
SirSnookalot reply :
On 10/3/2013 at 12:05 PM, JD96 said:No point using 15# PP.
On 10/3/2013 at 10:21 PM, Cgrinder said:Fits pretty nicely on a 1000 spinning reel.
Yep............I like 10# PP even better on that size reel.
A-Jay reply :
You know it's not the knot.
You've tied enough knots to recognize a good one from a bad one.
It's the Fluorocarbon - You didn't mention the brand; as It does matter. Some brands are notoriously bad especially for knot strength.
Switch to Maxima Ultragreen premium copolymer monofilament and Stop punishing yourself -
It's a little $$ but not as much as the top shelf fluorocarbon.
The manufacturer claims Ultragreen is virtually invisible to fish because of it's ability to match the color of the surrounding water. Light is absorbed by the line rather than reflected.
I can only attest to it's effectiveness and it has excellent abrasion resistance.
It's a little stiff making it a killer leader but might not be as good a mainline.
The point you might be most interested in is the very good and Predictable knot strength. Tie some knots and test it - see for yourself. Your mystery break-offs will be a distant memory.
This leader line was recommended to me by Dwight H. He uses it exclusively. I made the switch a while back. After seeing it in action in and around the zebra mussels of Lake Erie and then the Line Shredding trees of Lake Baccarac, I'm a believer.
A-Jay
dave reply :
On 9/26/2013 at 9:47 AM, Long Mike said:Change the knot you are using to the Stren knot. It has never failed me.
http://angling-adventures.net/knots/knots.htm
I've seen that called a blood knot.
slonezp reply :
Cinch the tag end down TIGHT
21farms reply :
On 9/26/2013 at 10:07 AM, et525i said:^^I use the alberto as well. The only time it failed me was when I did not have the tag end going out the same way it came in.
i tried a variety of braid-to-fluorocarbon connection knots and had failures with all of them until i started using the alberto knot. it is absolutely critical that the tag in goes out in the same direction that it came in but, once you have it tied correctly, your problems should go away.
CWB reply :
I use Power pro and Yo-Zuri hybrid for the leader. Occasionally had the same problem. Found that cinching both ends down snug, then really snugging up the braid end solved the problem for me. Not to be redundant and Im sure you know this but it is essential that the line goes in and comes out of the loop the same way. Give it a good yank and good strong pull after tying to test it out before fishing. Better to re-tie than lose a fish on the hookset.
SirSnookalot reply :
On Jose Wejebe's video he does not run the line thru the loop to start the alberto. He places it underneath the loop then makes his wraps and runs the tag thru the loop to compete the knot before cinching. I have done the knot both ways with the end result being the same.
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