Ned Jig Head Knot ? 2024
ChrisD46 reply :
I currently use a Improved Clinch Knot for FC leader to Ned Jig Head (usually 1/16th oz.) . I was curious what others used as their leader / mainline knot to Ned Jig Head ? Also curious if anyone has used a small loop knot line connection to a Ned Jig Head and if it provided any additional action on retrieves ?
WRB reply :
With FC and Mono/copolymer line I use the San Diego jam knot using the jig weight to assist in tieing the knot.
Tom
The Bassman reply :
I've started using a 00 VMC crankbait snap on my jig heads. I know it goes against common thinking but I haven't noticed any drop in productivity. I don't use fluoro but it would make sense that whatever knot you use wouldn't be as subject to fatigue as a direct tie.
WRB reply :
On 2/4/2020 at 3:14 AM, The Bassman said:I've started using a 00 VMC crankbait snap on my jig heads. I know it goes against common thinking but I haven't noticed any drop in productivity. I don't use fluoro but it would make sense that whatever knot you use wouldn't be as subject to fatigue as a direct tie.
I would hope everyone reties knots when the line is weaken form abrasion or use several times during a single outing,including knots tied to snaps.
Tom
Oklahoma Mike reply :
I would not recommend an improved clinch knot on FC. I use either an SDJ or Palomar knot depending on the application (palomar for the ned rig).
MickD reply :
Improved clinch works fine on FC for me. I have had a couple strange failures of loop knots with FC fly tippet with flies. Failure is not in the knot, or unraveling, the loop simply breaks. So I went back to the improved clinch and have had no problems since in spite of very high stress on the knot. ??
Steve S reply :
Surprised not a lot of people use Uni knots. That’s all I use and it has worked great
Team9nine reply :
FG in most instances these days, but an Alberto or J knot occasionally. Palomar gets the nod on direct tie, but have been playing with the Pitzen more and more this year. Loop knots tend to be inherently weaker than traditional knots, so I haven’t messed with them for Ned. Did start trying them for crappie jigging this year, but haven’t decided whether to mess with them for bass yet.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 2/4/2020 at 5:07 AM, Steve S said:Surprised not a lot of people use Uni knots. That’s all I use and it has worked great
I use a fish-n-fool knot its close to the same as uni while being stronger than palomar.
CountryboyinDC reply :
For flurocarbon, l like the Shaw Grigsby knot unless I'm snelling a hook. It isn't pretty and has 3 tag ends, but I have confidence in it.
garroyo130 reply :
On 2/4/2020 at 6:53 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:I use a fish-n-fool knot its close to the same as uni while being stronger than palomar.
This is an excellent and easy to tie knot. Especially useful for braid.
txchaser reply :
For flouro, the San Diego Jam knot solved many of my break-off problems. It is also reasonably fast to tie, and easy to see if you didn't do it right.
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
On 2/4/2020 at 5:07 AM, Steve S said:Surprised not a lot of people use Uni knots. That’s all I use and it has worked great
Uni knot here as well for FC/Mono. I used to use trilene exclusively for everything but found random knot failure from time to time especially on light line. I use 6 wraps for light line and 4-5 wraps for 8lb+.
On 2/4/2020 at 3:14 AM, The Bassman said:I've started using a 00 VMC crankbait snap on my jig heads. I know it goes against common thinking but I haven't noticed any drop in productivity. I don't use fluoro but it would make sense that whatever knot you use wouldn't be as subject to fatigue as a direct tie.
i do that too very often and don’t see any different with tie direct. I think it also help when fish Ned rig fast, just like I always use snap with crappie jig.
Bluebasser86 reply :
Alberto for the leader, Palomar for the knot to the jighead.
Revival reply :
San Diego Jam and Alberto for me.
Bird reply :
Alberto/Palomar
ChrisD46 reply :
On 2/4/2020 at 3:29 AM, Oklahoma Mike said:I would not recommend an improved clinch knot on FC. I use either an SDJ or Palomar knot depending on the application (palomar for the ned rig).
Doesn't a Palomar Knot cut into itself thus being a poor choice with FC line ?
J Francho reply :
On 2/4/2020 at 9:07 PM, ChrisD46 said:Doesn't a Palomar Knot cut into itself thus being a poor choice with FC line ?
No. A properly tied Palomar is stronger than most knots.
6# line, almost 6# smallmouth. Palomar knot.
Mbirdsley reply :
I’m on the polymer knot train at the moment. Started with the improved clinch. Next knot I want to get good at is the uni-knot
FryDog62 reply :
I tie the Double Swindle Shindo Knot with no less than 16X points and loop it around 5, 6 or 7 times depending on how well they are schooling..
Mbirdsley reply :
On 2/4/2020 at 9:07 PM, ChrisD46 said:Doesn't a Palomar Knot cut into itself thus being a poor choice with FC line ?
I have never had a problem with a polymer knot and FC
FryDog62 reply :
On 2/4/2020 at 10:03 PM, Mbirdsley said:I have never had a problem with a polymer knot and FC
I’ve heard if you tie correctly and don’t cross the line over itself that a Palomar knot should hold on fluorocarbon. And after years of tying, I never noticed a problem with the Palomar knot until two years ago it gave way on fluorocarbon 2-3 times. I could see the curly cue at the end of the line so I know the knot failed on me. I thought I was careful tying the knot but most likely it was user error on my part or in a hurry. Anyway, last year I switched over to the Grigsby knot (aka 3 tag knot) and didn’t have one knot failure all year. I guess I’ll stick with that at least another season...
Preytorien reply :
On 2/4/2020 at 3:05 AM, WRB said:With FC and Mono/copolymer line I use the San Diego jam knot using the jig weight to assist in tieing the knot.
Tom
I'm with Tom on this one. Additionally I've not noticed any other knots preventing any slop buildup on the knot itself, which is a frequent problem in my waters. Palomar, SDJ, or any others.....all still come back with crud on them.
Oklahoma Mike reply :
On 2/4/2020 at 9:07 PM, ChrisD46 said:Doesn't a Palomar Knot cut into itself thus being a poor choice with FC line ?
It needs to be tied correctly (i.e. not crossed over itself) and lubricated when tightened. If done correctly it is one of the most reliable knots for the application.
J Francho reply :
Myth alert: I've given up on lubricating knots, instead just slowly cinching them tight. The knots I use are improved clinch, uni, and Palomar. I can't say that it's to a point of being good advice, just that it hasn't mattered for knot strength. I don't think the issue is line burn. I think some knots need lube to be stronger, and some don't. Something to think about when tying.
WRB reply :
Palomar knot is a very old knot that I learned to tie back in the 50's when it called a Indian knot.
Palomar comes from a firemen who lived in Palomar who won a knot tying contest in the 80's and the name was published. Good knot for hooks, clips, small lures that easily fit through the loop created. The down fall with a Palomar knot is the lure goes through the loop and it's easy to twist that loop crossing the line over putting the lure through it before tightening.
San Diego jam knot is very easy to tie using the weight of the lure at the bottom of the loop, holding the top of the loop and long tag end pinched between your thumb and index finger and swing the lure while making the 5 to 7 wraps around the loop towards the lure, tag end through the bottom opening then up through the upper opening and pull the tag tight followed by pulling the main to slide the down Jamming it tight. It's a visual knot to see if it's right before snugging tight and good knot strength using FC line.
Tom
Mbirdsley reply :
On 2/4/2020 at 11:14 PM, FryDog62 said:I’ve heard if you tie correctly and don’t cross the line over itself that a Palomar knot should hold on fluorocarbon. And after years of tying, I never noticed a problem with the Palomar knot until two years ago it gave way on fluorocarbon 2-3 times. I could see the curly cue at the end of the line so I know the knot failed on me. I thought I was careful tying the knot but most likely it was user error on my part or in a hurry. Anyway, last year I switched over to the Grigsby knot (aka 3 tag knot) and didn’t have one knot failure all year. I guess I’ll stick with that at least another season...
I should say I have never had a problem with a properly tied polymer knot. When I first started trying the polymer I lost a 4 dollar pbj jig and my only I had to a fat smallie, made me sick. However, that Was not the knots fault. It was operator error in not tying it right.
ChrisD46 reply :
On 2/5/2020 at 3:21 AM, WRB said:Palomar knot is a very old knot that I learned to tie back in the 50's when it called a Indian knot.
Palomar comes from a firemen who lived in Palomar who won a knot tying contest in the 80's and the name was published. Good knot for hooks, clips, small lures that easily fit through the loop created. The down fall with a Palomar knot is the lure goes through the loop and it's easy to twist that loop crossing the line over putting the lure through it before tightening.
San Diego jam knot is very easy to tie using the weight of the lure at the bottom of the loop, holding the top of the loop and long tag end pinched between your thumb and index finger and swing the lure while making the 5 to 7 wraps around the loop towards the lure, tag end through the bottom opening then up through the upper opening and pull the tag tight followed by pulling the main to slide the down Jamming it tight. It's a visual knot to see if it's right before snugging tight and good knot strength using FC line.
Tom
Good read Tom !
Todd2 reply :
On 2/5/2020 at 3:21 AM, WRB said:Palomar knot is a very old knot that I learned to tie back in the 50's when it called a Indian knot.
Palomar comes from a firemen who lived in Palomar who won a knot tying contest in the 80's and the name was published.
Interesting history..my older brother showed me the knot in the late 80's. He just called it a fisherman's knot if I remember correctly. It was years later that I learned it was called the palomar.
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