New Wilderness Systems Ride 115 2024
J Francho reply :
Keep in mind, my buddy Chad is around 6' 235 lbs. Great looking boat for you guys that want to stand:
Sfritr reply :
That is a great looking Yak. I have been eyeing Yaks for some time but didn't want to have to deal with the length of a ocean yak in order to stand up. There are some great river fishing opportunities in Cincinnati and I may have to take a closer look at this model. Thanks for the link
J Francho reply :
This boat answers a lot of guys dreams. Would be WAY BETTER for me, now that I have a bass boat. I don't need such a big, multi purpose boat anymore.
Mike Kay reply :
Heck, I have a bass boat and a canoe, and STILL want a kayak. The way you sit down in a kayak is way different than a canoe...much more relaxed, like driving a car vs. riding a bus, LOL. Went to Paddlefest in Cincy, hoping to score a decent used sit-on-top...only one I saw was an Ocean 12' for $600, it was a demo, but dang that is expensive to me. Saw the other post re: your friend's Wilderness, gotta look into a used one of those. Thanks for posting, lots of "food for thought".
the crab reply :
Oh man that looks nice. Any idea how it would compare speed wise to my Old Towne Discovery 119?
J Francho reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 4:40 AM, Mike Kay said:Heck, I have a bass boat and a canoe, and STILL want a kayak. The way you sit down in a kayak is way different than a canoe...much more relaxed, like driving a car vs. riding a bus, LOL. Went to Paddlefest in Cincy, hoping to score a decent used sit-on-top...only one I saw was an Ocean 12' for $600, it was a demo, but dang that is expensive to me. Saw the other post re: your friend's Wilderness, gotta look into a used one of those. Thanks for posting, lots of "food for thought".
The best is sitting "side saddle" with your feet in the water on a hot day.
On 7/15/2011 at 8:09 PM, the crab said:Oh man that looks nice. Any idea how it would compare speed wise to my Old Towne Discovery 119?
Definitely faster, though it's an apples and oranges thing. Canoe paddle strokes are a little different. I think a kayak takes less energy than a canoe, but that can be debated for hours.
Sfritr reply :
I checked out the website but this model isn't listed yet. What type of price range is this looking at? I was guessing around 750.00?
J Francho reply :
I would hope so. It has a few x-tras that the 135 doesn't.
Another shot...
Chad, at 280 lbs., sitting side saddle. Note that its dry in the foot wells. No scupper plugs either.
the crab reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 9:15 PM, J Francho said:The best is sitting "side saddle" with your feet in the water on a hot day.
Definitely faster, though it's an apples and oranges thing. Canoe paddle strokes are a little different. I think a kayak takes less energy than a canoe, but that can be debated for hours.
I probably should have mentioned that I paddle it like a kayak and use a kayak paddle. It's a solo canoe and isn't too wide for this. It paddles very nicely this way.
Rant reply :
If you're wanting to stand then the 119 canoe (with a kayak paddle) or Coosa is the way to go. No flat area to stand in the ride 115. Also seat is too low for most "Average" sized guys to move from the seated to standing position in the ride 115.
Pic of my size 11 in the Coosa:
the crab reply :
On 7/21/2011 at 2:35 AM, Rant said:If you're wanting to stand then the 119 canoe (with a kayak paddle) or Coosa is the way to go.
I already have a disco 119 and there's no way I'm standing in that bad boy, lol. I love the coosa, but I've heard they're a little slow paddling and pretty hefty too. Not to mention a little pricey for me, although compared to similar craft it seems like a good deal. The Ride 115 seems like a good compromise, assuming it's a little cheaper, a little faster, and perhaps a little lighter. I haven't seen the specs yet to compare so this is all speculation.
J Francho reply :
Coosa is a good boat, geared toward moving water. Doesn't track too well, which is not necessarily a bad thing in a fishing boat. Depends on your needs.
jeremyt reply :
The way I understand this one is it's the lake and pond fishermans answer to the coosa. The only thing that the coosa can top this one on is the seat.
Rant reply :
On 7/21/2011 at 7:53 PM, the crab said:....assuming it's a little cheaper, a little faster, and perhaps a little lighter. ....
2 of the 3 aren't true, and the third might just be a tad better.
J Francho reply :
On 7/21/2011 at 2:35 AM, Rant said:No flat area to stand in the ride 115.
See 1:18 in the video 
Rant reply :
Tiny and too close to the seat for easy standing. Not all of us are young and agile.On 7/22/2011 at 9:48 PM, J Francho said:See 1:18 in the video
J Francho reply :
The dude in that video is 280 lbs, LOL.
Rant reply :
On 7/25/2011 at 9:38 PM, J Francho said:The dude in that video is 280 lbs, LOL.
235 in your first post, then grows to 280. Chad is big but not that big.
Either way, the standing area is too small and the placement of your feet in the tiny flat pad is way too close to the seat for easy standing. Just my opinion.
J Francho reply :
Quote235 in your first post, then grows to 280. Chad is big but not that big.
Wrong direction, Chad is actually shrinking. It probably didn't occur to you, but Chad tested that boat for over a year, and lost quite a bit of weight over time. There are older, heavy Chad footage, and newer, slimmer Chad footage.
As far as your opinion, it's your right. You Coosa guys guys spend an awful amount of time talking down on other brands.
NateFollmer reply :
Been on a Coosa before, can't remember which model, but I do remember it was hard to keep a straight line...
I love my buddies older Ride 135, will probably look into getting this 115 (wife wants a 'yak now too). He has a Tarpon 120 also, another great boat. Different boats for different folks I guess...
And you can never have too many boats 
Rant reply :
On 8/3/2011 at 10:37 PM, J Francho said:.... guys spend an awful amount of time talking down on other brands....
Funny, especially since all my gear has been purchased by paying full retail.
Never been sponsored and never will.
Good to know that Chad is loosing weight. I need to do the same.
J Francho reply :
On 8/4/2011 at 3:43 AM, Rant said:Funny, especially since all my gear has been purchased by paying full retail.
Never been sponsored and never will.
Good to know that Chad is loosing weight. I need to do the same.
So has mine, I paddle an OK PBG. It's just an announcement about a cool new boat. The gear gets better and better because of guys like Chad Hoover and Drew Gregory. They actually test it out, and offer input to the manufacturer, and the products get better and better. It's how development works. But you can call it what you want.
Rant reply :
On 8/4/2011 at 3:50 AM, J Francho said:....They actually test it out, and offer input to the manufacturer, and the products get better and better. It's how development works. But you can call it what you want....
miniscule improvements in order to cash in on fad marketing does not necessary lead a better product. Quintessentially, a kayak is about function, not some gimmicky features. Not saying that is the case here, but often it is.
EDIT to add: Ride 115 sliding seat is good feature, however IMO if the seat placement is that important, then the hull design is probably lacking (or it is a super high performance which would be super nice).
Until hull designs get better or you have radical changes to the concept (see SUP and coosa high seat), your really not designing better products but just offering revisions with gimmicky features.
JMO
PS Jackson newest design (Cuda) has a livewell that requires no stopper--gimmicky feature IMO.
J Francho reply :
Perhaps Wildy should hire you. You seem to know more about this than anyone else. Oh, that's right you're not for sale.
J Francho reply :
On second thought, since you're really only interested in real innovation, here's a boat for you: http://www.wavewalk.com/.
Glenn reply :
On 8/4/2011 at 9:16 PM, Rant said:miniscule improvements in order to cash in on fad marketing does not necessary lead a better product. Quintessentially, a kayak is about function, not some gimmicky features. Not saying that is the case here, but often it is.
Until hull designs get better or you have radical changes to the concept (see SUP and coosa high seat), your really not designing better products but just offering revisions with gimmicky features.
JMO
PS Jackson newest design (Cuda) has a livewell that requires no stopper--gimmicky feature IMO.
Quite the cynic, aren't we? Sounds to me like there's more going on here than meets the eye. A grudge, perhaps?
Rant reply :
Nice try on innovation, however pontoons are gimmicks playing on stability fears of beginners.On 8/4/2011 at 9:29 PM, J Francho said:On second thought, since you're really only interested in real innovation, here's a boat for you: http://www.wavewalk.com/.
Rant reply :
20 years of paddling and owner of over 30 different paddle crafts, yes very much a cynic.On 8/4/2011 at 11:01 PM, Glenn said:Quite the cynic, aren't we?
QuoteSounds to me like there's more going on here than meets the eye. A grudge, perhaps?
Nope, no grudge. Well take that back perhaps (sub-consciously) against slick marketing by manufactures pushing gimmicks rather than innovation. However it is nothing personal.
J Francho reply :
C'mon Blake, we all know better than that.
Rant reply :
On 8/4/2011 at 9:21 PM, J Francho said:Perhaps Wildy should hire you. You seem to know more about this than anyone else.
Having kayaked and paddled with many boat designers and "pro-staff", I don't think Confluence could afford to pay me even 1/4 of my current salary (which I only work part-time). I also doubt that Confluence with its current management, will ever bring a radical design change. IMO they struggle with keeping the identity of each brand, so much so that it hinders designs (ie WS can only have new designs that look wilderness systemie).
I do have several designs that I will build when time and resources allow (ps they won't be built in rotomolded plastic either as plastic is too limiting in shapes, same for fiberglass). One is for long distance rivers with mostly no rapids, especially great for over night treks. Second one is high speed boat for cruising larger TVA reservoirs and would also be great for trolling for walleye and pike up north. Third one is the least innovative but would be a stand-up river fishing boat that would serve river smallmouth fishermen (class II+ rapids) and tailwater trout fishermen, biggest design improvement would be the anchor system (although it will sort of superficially resemble a Texas scooter boat).
NateFollmer reply :
Your third option sounds like my NuCanoe, but I'd NEVER use an anchor on any kayak in current. You're just asking for trouble.
I'm curious too, how is plastic and or fiberglass limiting in shape?
J Francho reply :
I also have a few designs that when resources allow I want to build... one of them is a long distance lake boat with two scaled down jet engines with enough range for me to yak fish the southern coast of Canada.
Rant reply :
On 8/5/2011 at 10:17 AM, NateFollmer said:I'm curious too, how is plastic and or fiberglass limiting in shape?
With both, you can only bend the edges so sharp before it is either weakened or becomes brittle. Generally both materials are uniform thickness too. So any design must conform to the practical limits of the material they are working with. My design would have variable thickness, yet would remain rigid but not brittle.
Nucanoe is a capable design, but IMO it is not what I would use in class II+ rapids or trout tailwaters.
Rant reply :
Why would you need a jet (or two) to fish the Great Lakes?On 8/5/2011 at 9:18 PM, J Francho said:.... one of them is a long distance lake boat with two scaled down jet engines with enough range for me to yak fish the southern coast of Canada.
Knot Right reply :
I do the best that I can to help design the best boat possible. The word gimmick comes up a lot. When it does, I crush the idea on the drawing board and say, "No way, that is a stupid gimmick and anglers are much smarter than that!" We do have an elevated seat coming out. But the seat that it comes with stock is one of the best seats on the market and it comes with that premium seat for $850. The new seat will be higher, more technical and have intergrated fishing features and still have the boat come in at just under a grand (yeap, that's right!). In the Ride 135 testing phase I was 283, by the time that the Ride 115 came out I was 235.
The Ride seat sliding fore and aft is not a gimmick. In fact, it is the reason the same boat can manuever well and track well by simply trimming out the load. If all anglers were the same size then building the ideal boat would be simple. But, they are not so compromises must be made. The Ride 115 has been on the drawing board for a few years and I work with a company that prototypes with prototypes and doesn't prototype on the consumer. I don't have to downgrade other manufacturers and I don't get paid for designing the boats.
Hey Rant,
I am an active duty officer in the Navy and I can afford a boat of any brand that I like, trust me. I am involved in this because I am passionate about it. It seems as though you are too, so if that is the case focus that energy on DOING SOMETHING instead of criticizing those that are. DO IT, stop talking about it. By the way, the Ride 115 has the largest flat standing area on the market with the seat removed and I can run any class II in the country standing up WITH the seat installed. With the seat installed, the standing area is as big as any out there and with the new seat, it will be the biggest of any small boat on the market.
Don't waste your time chopping this up into to little quote boxes and making little snide remarks under each section. I don't have time for that and won't respond, I am going fishing.
Thanks,
Chad
J Francho reply :
Review put up on KBF by a recent buyer:
QuoteToday was going to be all about testing the 115 and to see how it preformed on my home waters. I have say this is one solid kayak. To me it's an easy paddle. I really like the stability both sitting and standing. The new seats are very comfortable. I sat and fished for at least 3 hours with no problems. So after sitting it was time to stand. WOW!!!! This thing is like a rock. I love the flat bottom. As you will see in the video I don't really think the kayak will turn over and I will fall out before it does. The secondary stability is just awesome. As for speed for my fishing style it works great. The only negative thing I can think of at this time is when I go to sit down it can be a little tricky but I'm sure over time it will be easier. The only thing I've added so far is an anchor trolly and scotty mount(using the mighty mounts on the slide track) which turned out to be a great paddle holder as I stood to fish. Loading and unloading is easy. With the seat in the kayak it is a little on the heavy side but it takes a total of 30 seconds to take the seat out. With it out it was easier than loading my Tarpon 140. I am very happy with this purchase. Enjoy the video after fishing a buddy and I took. If you have any questions let me know. Sorry the video was done with my iPhone4.
LargeChuckles reply :
Note the large standing area which is easy to stand up from the high seat.
MAD reply :
Did I read somewhere about a high seat being made for the Ride 115? Does anyone know anything about this?
Mike
LargeChuckles reply :
Umm, the designer (knotright) mentioned it three post aboveOn 9/12/2011 at 7:25 AM, MAD said:Did I read somewhere about a high seat being made for the Ride 115? Does anyone know anything about this?
MAD reply :
Yes, I was hoping to get some more detais...
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