Another Caught Cheating 2024
Crank Bait Nut reply :
Local Angler In The Area Was Under Suspicion For Some Time , His Local Club Decided To Take Action , Prior To A Tournament They Observed Him Placing Fish Into A Holding Basket , They Removed The Basket and Marked The Fish , During The Weigh-In He Was Approached and Admitted Cheating , But Only In This Years Tournaments. I Haven't Heard If The Bass Club Will Try and Prosecute Or Not. He Was Winning Many Of The Tournaments Over The Years.
Note: He Always Wanted To Fish Alone and He Was Seen Many Times At Night Spot Lighting Around Docks as/well Used A Underwater Camera Attached To A Pole , I'm Not 100% Sure On This , But He May Have Been Shocking The Fish At Night , I'll Try and Find This Info Out.
Mike
Darren. reply :
Welp. Long arm of the law got 'im.
MCS reply :
Sounds like that doing all that **** is more work than actually going out and catching the fish lol
the reel ess reply :
Fisherman lying? I refuse to believe it. Can't have nothing.
I don't know what would be the fun of winning a contest in which you cheated. The same reason I won't go to topless bars. I can't make myself believe something that I know isn't true.
the reel ess reply :
On 6/17/2015 at 2:26 AM, Crank Bait Nut said:Local Angler In The Area Was Under Suspicion For Some Time , His Local Club Decided To Take Action , Prior To A Tournament They Observed Him Placing Fish Into A Holding Basket , They Removed The Basket and Marked The Fish , During The Weigh-In He Was Approached and Admitted Cheating , But Only In This Years Tournaments. I Haven't Heard If The Bass Club Will Try and Prosecute Or Not. He Was Winning Many Of The Tournaments Over The Years.
Note: He Always Wanted To Fish Alone and He Was Seen Many Times At Night Spot Lighting Around Docks as/well Used A Underwater Camera Attached To A Pole , I'm Not 100% Sure On This , But He May Have Been Shocking The Fish At Night , I'll Try and Find This Info Out.
Mike
They should have simply removed the basket, told the entire club and said nothing to him. When he came to the weigh-in empty handed, the look on his face, knowing someone knew but not who, would be adequate payback...then have him arrested.
MrE1979 reply :
I can't believe that this is something that we have to worry about. Well yeah I can but.... It happens a lot around here especially during the hard water season. It's exactly why I won't tournament/derby fish anymore. Hope they prosecute him.
ColdSVT reply :
I woulda left a nice littlw note for him...
bigbill reply :
You really only cheat yourself. You make your credibility look bad too.
He should be expelled from the club.
Flippin4Biggins reply :
I've seen cheaters....local catfish tournament
BASSPATROL247 reply :
On 6/17/2015 at 10:16 AM, Flippin4Biggins said:I've seen cheaters....local catfish tournament
Hey F4B, wich tournaments? Hope its not ones i fish!
Lund Explorer reply :
On 6/17/2015 at 2:26 AM, Crank Bait Nut said:Local Angler In The Area Was Under Suspicion For Some Time , His Local Club Decided To Take Action , Prior To A Tournament They Observed Him Placing Fish Into A Holding Basket , They Removed The Basket and Marked The Fish , During The Weigh-In He Was Approached and Admitted Cheating , But Only In This Years Tournaments. I Haven't Heard If The Bass Club Will Try and Prosecute Or Not. He Was Winning Many Of The Tournaments Over The Years.
Note: He Always Wanted To Fish Alone and He Was Seen Many Times At Night Spot Lighting Around Docks as/well Used A Underwater Camera Attached To A Pole , I'm Not 100% Sure On This , But He May Have Been Shocking The Fish At Night , I'll Try and Find This Info Out.
Mike
A few simple truths.
Anyone who decides to cheat, whether in a bass tournament or any other competition has decided that the prize exceeds the value of their name and reputation. For some, the value they place on those things is quite low!
The easiest way to cheat is done when you think no one else is looking. This is the best reason to never enter a competition that allows an individual to perform without a disinterested second party.
Thornback reply :
Cheaters never win.
Trek reply :
That's one of the reasons I got out of club fishing. Guys fighting all the time on who is doing what. And now even cheating. And they're playing for a few bucks and a handshake. Club fishing brings the baby out in to many people.
Ratherbfishing reply :
Shoulda put a dozen snakes in the basket
Alonerankin2 reply :
What Lund said, a man or women who cheats to gain whatever perceived reward ( whatever it may be) couldn't care less about integrity of character or any other moral values.. It's a non factor in that persons reasoning..
Fishing Rhino reply :
Arrest him? Prosecute him?
For what, violating club rules?
gardnerjigman reply :
On 6/17/2015 at 11:28 PM, Fishing Rhino said:Arrest him? Prosecute him?
For what, violating club rules?
Pretty sure they can get him for tampering with a sporting event, or maybe even theft???
Trek reply :
On 6/17/2015 at 11:52 PM, gardnerjigman said:Pretty sure they can get him for tampering with a sporting event, or maybe even theft???
It's defiantly theft and if it's over $1000 then it's grand theft.
Alonerankin2 reply :
Maybe soap in a sock disciplinary measure by the club? Yea, that would work!!
J Francho reply :
Yawn, even if it were the rate of one instance per week of it, it would have no bearing on whether I fish tournaments. It's such a non issue that guys that don't fish competitively make a huge deal out of.
Fishing Rhino reply :
On 6/17/2015 at 11:52 PM, gardnerjigman said:Pretty sure they can get him for tampering with a sporting event, or maybe even theft???
On 6/18/2015 at 12:13 AM, Trek said:It's defiantly theft and if it's over $1000 then it's grand theft.
Then maybe law enforcement should get involved when anyone cheats at a NASCAR race. Or maybe when a pitcher doctors the ball, or Jerry Rice used too much stickum, or Brady for having the football deflated.
It was a club tournament for crying out loud.
EmersonFish reply :
A- Those organizations have rules that have some pretty harsh consequences built in, and the capacity to enforce them. And when certain rules are broken, law enforcement absolutely can get involved.On 6/18/2015 at 2:14 AM, Fishing Rhino said:Then maybe law enforcement should get involved when anyone cheats at a NASCAR race. Or maybe when a pitcher doctors the ball, or Jerry Rice used too much stickum, or Brady for having the football deflated.
It was a club tournament for crying out loud.
B- The infractions you list would not necessarily have as great of an impact on the results as literally giving yourself points without anyone knowing it, such as planting fish somewhere.
C- The fact that it is a "club tournament" does not make the violation insignificant to those who have lost monetary prizes and whose tournament experiences, which they have paid good money and invested a great deal of time in, have been diminished.
D- What are you, this guy's attorney? He likely will deserve much worse than whatever he gets.
Edit: Of course, you can look no further than actual bass tournaments, where people across the country have been charged with felonies and misdemeanors; some have actually gone to jail; many have paid significant fines and lost fishing privileges. Granted, most of those tournaments were for bigger prizes, but there is precedent.
J Francho reply :
On 6/18/2015 at 2:14 AM, Fishing Rhino said:Then maybe law enforcement should get involved when anyone cheats at a NASCAR race. Or maybe when a pitcher doctors the ball, or Jerry Rice used too much stickum, or Brady for having the football deflated.
It was a club tournament for crying out loud.
Exactly. This is the type of propaganda purported and spread as news in order to discredit tournament fishing.
gardnerjigman reply :
On 6/18/2015 at 2:33 AM, EmersonFish said:A- Those organizations have rules that have some pretty harsh consequences built in, and the capacity to enforce them. And when certain rules are broken, law enforcement absolutely can get involved.
B- The infractions you list would not necessarily have as great of an impact on the results as literally giving yourself points without anyone knowing it, such as planting fish somewhere.
C- The fact that it is a "club tournament" does not make the violation insignificant to those who have lost monetary prizes and whose tournament experiences, which they have paid good money and invested a great deal of time in, have been diminished.
D- What are you, this guy's attorney? He likely will deserve much worse than whatever he gets.
Edit: Of course, you can look no further than actual bass tournaments, where people across the country have been charged with felonies and misdemeanors; some have actually gone to jail; many have paid significant fines and lost fishing privileges. Granted, most of those tournaments were for bigger prizes, but there is precedent.
Couldn't agree more!
Fishing Rhino reply :
On 6/18/2015 at 2:33 AM, EmersonFish said:A- Those organizations have rules that have some pretty harsh consequences built in, and the capacity to enforce them. And when certain rules are broken, law enforcement absolutely can get involved.
B- The infractions you list would not necessarily have as great of an impact on the results as literally giving yourself points without anyone knowing it, such as planting fish somewhere.
C- The fact that it is a "club tournament" does not make the violation insignificant to those who have lost monetary prizes and whose tournament experiences, which they have paid good money and invested a great deal of time in, have been diminished.
D- What are you, this guy's attorney? He likely will deserve much worse than whatever he gets.
Edit: Of course, you can look no further than actual bass tournaments, where people across the country have been charged with felonies and misdemeanors; some have actually gone to jail; many have paid significant fines and lost fishing privileges. Granted, most of those tournaments were for bigger prizes, but there is precedent.
No, not the guy's attorney. Just an old fisherman who doesn't waste much time fretting over things beyond my control, and to put it bluntly, quite insignificant in the overall scheme of things.
When I was a commercial lobsterman, I detested and still do detest those who violate the law by taking short lobsters and egg bearing lobsters. Having said that, I never got as worked up over those who did take those lobsters as it appears some have over cheating to win a tournament in which they did not participate.
Felixone reply :
I would have to agree with some of the sentiment here that this is completely blown out of proportion. Why you would ever involve law enforcement in a club dispute is beyond me. As far as I am concerned competing in a club tournament is not much different than hosting a poker game at your house. Sure the club has rules, but that is the business of the club. Law enforcement has much more important things to do than slap a cheating angler on the wrist, and in my opinion is a misuse of public services. This should be handled internally to that club, the guy should be kicked from the club, and not allowed to compete in further tournaments. End of story.
Of course I don't belong to clubs, I don't fish competitively, and have no desire to ever do so. Based on what I have read here and on other sites it seems club tournaments are nothing more than a breeding ground for negative feelings amongst members. It just sounds like more hassle than it is worth.
EmersonFish reply :
This is a bass fishing forum. Everything we talk about is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.On 6/18/2015 at 4:06 AM, Fishing Rhino said:No, not the guy's attorney. Just an old fisherman who doesn't waste much time fretting over things beyond my control, and to put it bluntly, quite insignificant in the overall scheme of things.
When I was a commercial lobsterman, I detested and still do detest those who violate the law by taking short lobsters and egg bearing lobsters. Having said that, I never got as worked up over those who did take those lobsters as it appears some have over cheating to win a tournament in which they did not participate.
And this idea that it's an internal club matter? I'd be fine with that if the law would turn a blind eye to the most natural consequence of such actions; but would it remain a club matter if I broke the cheater's jaw? Nope. That's assault. Cheating in order to win money is theft, or attempted theft if you're caught before you claims prize, or theft by deception, or whatever the charge is in that jurisdiction. Being in a club doesn't make it the Wild West.
gardnerjigman reply :
Again, totally agree with you. I agree it's small time and yada yada yada, but you guys that are saying it's no big deal and such are living in a gray world... It's either cheating or not fellas... Be it cheating to win $100 or $100,000 makes zero difference to me. Easy to call it insignificant when it doesn't affect you.
jtharris3 reply :
How pathetic does someone have to be to resort to cheating at a tournament.
Trek reply :
Hey cheat on your wife and let me know what she thinks about it. Weather it be a large pot tournament of a small club tournament. This guy took the time to screw his friends out of there time and money. We should make sure these guys don't come back. It's not like he is BS ing you where he fished. He took the time to steel from you. There is no place in bass fishing for this guy.
Lund Explorer reply :
On 6/18/2015 at 4:06 AM, Fishing Rhino said:No, not the guy's attorney. Just an old fisherman who doesn't waste much time fretting over things beyond my control, and to put it bluntly, quite insignificant in the overall scheme of things.
When I was a commercial lobsterman, I detested and still do detest those who violate the law by taking short lobsters and egg bearing lobsters. Having said that, I never got as worked up over those who did take those lobsters as it appears some have over cheating to win a tournament in which they did not participate.
Tom, I have to say that the problem of outright cheating in tournaments isn't nearly as widespread as it may appear, but I do know that tournament anglers take the subject quite seriously. There are also different levels of cheating.
There are those who try to bend the rules. They bring in a fish that bumps just a little short, come in a few minutes late, or maybe push a no-wake speed limit. These infractions are usually taken care of in-house with preset penalties. Then there are the guys who flat out break the rules, such as this guy did. I've never seen law enforcement involved, but then in all of the tournaments I've fished in, there was only one where such an event took place, and the tournament director actually caught three individuals that day. One was caught with a fish basket, and the other two were caught using live bait. All three were told not to show up at the weigh-in, their names where given out to all of the attendees, and a letter was sent out to all of the area's other clubs detailing the infractions. This type of public shaming was the big penalty, as almost every other club or TD would make sure that the cheaters couldn't move their act to another group.
By the way, my partner and I won that day and we were even checked by the TD. We were fishing one small sunken island within sight of the launch all day and the TD's wife mentioned to him that we hadn't moved for a very long time. Of course when the TD saw that we were parked on a large group of beds, he understood why. Had we lost that tournament and found out later that a cheater had stolen it away from us, yeah, I would've been peeved. It really wasn't about the money for us, it was the recognition. We were fishing someone else's home water, and on that day we came out on top. Our goal was to proof that we could beat the hometown boys in their own backyard. We wanted to return the next year, and hear the groans that they just might be fishing for second place.
Tournament fishing is one of the few amateur sports that doesn't have a built in handicap system like golfing or bowling has. Nobody can sandbag for an advantage, and no individual or team gets to start the day with a fish or two in the livewell at blast off. I saw too many times in those other sports where the golfer with a maxed handicap shot a course record net score, or the bowler who threw a 900+ series when his handicap was added in. It always amazed me at how many people just accepted these things, and I got to the point where I refused to compete in either of those sports. But fishing started everyone out even keel. Maybe that is the reason why cheating is looked down on so much.
scaleface reply :
I knew a buddy team that I always suspected of cheating . I knew them personally and thats the type of people they were. They won several tournaments the only year they fished and they were rookie bass fishermen . Another tournament angler I was close too thought the same thing. They quit tournament fishing after that year .
Fishing Rhino reply :
On 6/18/2015 at 10:23 AM, gardnerjigman said:Again, totally agree with you. I agree it's small time and yada yada yada, but you guys that are saying it's no big deal and such are living in a gray world... It's either cheating or not fellas... Be it cheating to win $100 or $100,000 makes zero difference to me. Easy to call it insignificant when it doesn't affect you.
Where or when did I say it was okay for the guy to cheat. And you are correct. Steal a nickel or a million dollars and you are still a thief. There is nothing "gray" about that.
On 6/18/2015 at 9:49 AM, EmersonFish said:This is a bass fishing forum. Everything we talk about is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
And this idea that it's an internal club matter? I'd be fine with that if the law would turn a blind eye to the most natural consequence of such actions; but would it remain a club matter if I broke the cheater's jaw? Nope. That's assault. Cheating in order to win money is theft, or attempted theft if you're caught before you claims prize, or theft by deception, or whatever the charge is in that jurisdiction. Being in a club doesn't make it the Wild West.
True that everything we talk about is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. But I don't see the same "passion" in those discussions.
Glenn reply :
Ease up kids.....
gardnerjigman reply :
On 6/19/2015 at 11:42 PM, Fishing Rhino said:Where or when did I say it was okay for the guy to cheat. And you are correct. Steal a nickel or a million dollars and you are still a thief. There is nothing "gray" about that.
I never said you said it was okay to cheat. I said that you are saying its no big deal (derived from the your use of insignificant and the "its a club tournament for crying out loud")
The point I'm trying to make is rules are rules no matter the scenario. It's either always right, or always wrong. I don't care if it's in little Timmy's American Legion fishing derby or the freaking bassmaster classic. The event, no matter how small or "insignificant" it may be to you, doesn't determine that fact of right or wrong.
Glenn reply :
You're point's been made....by you and several others.
Unless anyone has something significantly new to add to this thread, let's move on....
Montanaro reply :
On 6/17/2015 at 8:09 AM, ColdSVT said:I woulda left a nice littlw note for him...
A terd in his basket?
Catch 22 reply :
I used to fish t`s and enjoyed it. Lots of people outside the world of t`s would more often than not, mention the cheating that goes on. I really got tired of that stuff. The cheating has an impact even outside the fishing world.
If someone is going to "one up " his friends, then where is the limit.
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