Technique Vs Bait 2024
masterbass reply :
I realize that they go hand in hand, but if you had to rank technique vs bait which is more important in your opinion. I had one of those days when I threw everything but the kitchen sink and couldn't buy a bite. After several hours I start to lose confidence and patience. And then I question if it's just my technique.
roadwarrior reply :
First and foremost, location. Ya gots to find fish to catch 'em!
Next, moving baits or bottom baits?
Next, exact depth. Two weeks ago it was +/- 19' ONLY on the Tennessee River.
Next, lure. For whatever reason, a thin 3" tube was the ticket.
Next, color. Watermelon ruled and I tried EVERYTHING else!
playmaker47 reply :
I think technique is way more important. If the fish want a shaky head then the specific finesse worm on the jighead is less important than properly working the shaky head. You will still catch fish if the technique is right, the specific bait action and color only enhances the ability to catch fish.
Now if you look at it the other way around. You have the perfect soft bait and the perfect color, but are horrible at technique you just won't catch fish.
Raul reply :
On 5/29/2014 at 11:01 PM, masterbass said:I realize that they go hand in hand, but if you had to rank technique vs bait which is more important in your opinion. I had one of those days when I threw everything but the kitchen sink and couldn't buy a bite. After several hours I start to lose confidence and patience. And then I question if it's just my technique.
To be or not to be that´s the question. In this case, are you 100% shure you are fishing where they are ?
masterbass reply :
On 5/29/2014 at 11:11 PM, Raul said:To be or not to be that´s the question. In this case, are you 100% shure you are fishing where they are ?
My buddy's fish finder is pretty old, but it was marking fish. The river was pretty dirty from rains though.
Raul reply :
On 5/29/2014 at 11:16 PM, masterbass said:My buddy's fish finder is pretty old, but it was marking fish. The river was pretty dirty from rains though.
Well, my finder also marks fish, lots of them but .... are they bass ? that is the next question.
masterbass reply :
On 5/29/2014 at 11:45 PM, Raul said:Well, my finder also marks fish, lots of them but .... are they bass ? that is the next question.
True, could be carp. We managed to catch 2 little smallies between us and I got a catfish on a spinnerbait. We did cover some water so I thought we'd do better. Figured they would be in pre-spawn mode. Last spring and the year before we killed them in the same areas. Going to give it a go this weekend and see if it gets better.
jhoffman reply :
pre spawn in what location?
Loop_Dad reply :
Luck!
WRB reply :
Location, location, location, then bait (lure), then technique or presentation.
The right lure in the wrong place = no bass regardless how it's presented.
Tom
BassWhole! reply :
Finding fish is most of the equation, figuring out how to catch them is usually not that hard part, although you'd never know it by some things one reads. lures are tools, pick the right one once you get to the job site, sometimes its the mitre saw, sometimes its the screwdriver, sometimes its the hammer.
hatrix reply :
To me having the right technique is more important. Of course you have to also have a bait they are looking to bite that is just a given. Although I do believe you can catch fish on any lure it just might not be the best and you need to find ones that are wanting to bite. I can fish side by side with someone both using the same exact and catch more fish. It is just because I have spent more time on the water or am more familiar with using said lure. Also though I will say for sure my casting ability plays a factor. I am not the greatest but I get my lure where it needs to be pretty good.
BrianinMD reply :
Location, location, location.
then technique
Mr. BattleArmor reply :
As was said before, Location is the most important, then for me it is the Lure and color, and then the technique.
As an example, I took my fiancé fishing for the first time yesterday, and I took her to a spot I know is good, with a bait that I know would catch fish for her at that spot. Well, on her first cast she brought in a 4 pounder. Needless to say, she obviously wasn't thinking about having the perfect technique, but the fish didn't notice that! Location + Lure, then focus on exact technique and presentation
Catt reply :
Yes location is #1, we should all know that 
Lure vs Technique?
On any given day more than one lure & more than one technique will be working.
SirSnookalot reply :
The lure dictates the technique or does the technique dictate the lure? Find the fish and the odds are dramatically increased, location is the most important.
Paul Roberts reply :
On 5/29/2014 at 11:07 PM, roadwarrior said:First and foremost, location. Ya gots to find fish to catch 'em!
Next, moving baits or bottom baits?
Next, exact depth. Two weeks ago it was +/- 19' ONLY on the Tennessee River.
Next, lure. For whatever reason, a thin 3" tube was the ticket.
Next, color. Watermelon ruled and I tried EVERYTHING else!
Good basic breakdown by RW:
Location, strike zone, technique, bait, fine tune.
missouribigbass reply :
On 5/29/2014 at 11:08 PM, playmaker47 said:I think technique is way more important. If the fish want a shaky head then the specific finesse worm on the jighead is less important than properly working the shaky head. You will still catch fish if the technique is right, the specific bait action and color only enhances the ability to catch fish.
Now if you look at it the other way around. You have the perfect soft bait and the perfect color, but are horrible at technique you just won't catch fish.
I agree with all of that.
WRB reply :
The reality is you could backlash that cast with shaky head and worm in the right location, be picking out the backlash and have a bass eat the worm. Was it technique, presentation or the right location....location! Caught lots of bass making bad cast where I didn't intend the lure to go and several picking out backlashes, simply by being in the right place at the right time.On 6/1/2014 at 10:25 AM, missouribigbass said:I agree with all of that.
You can have perfect technique and catch nothing if the bass are not there to react to your lure or technique.
Rarely doesn't a technique out fish a lure the bass are responding to.
Tom
SirSnookalot reply :
On 6/1/2014 at 11:16 AM, WRB said:The reality is you could backlash that cast with shaky head and worm in the right location, be picking out the backlash and have a bass eat the worm. Was it technique, presentation or the right location....location! Caught lots of bass making bad cast where I didn't intend the lure to go and several picking out backlashes, simply by being in the right place at the right time.
You can have perfect technique and catch nothing if the bass are not there to react to your lure or technique.
Rarely doesn't a technique out fish a lure the bass are responding to.
Tom
I agree 100%, I've caught fish while a top water lure was rippling in the water as I was untangling a wind knot, more than once.
If location is the paramount ingredient for success, which seems to be the consensus opinion, why do some professionals consistently do better than others? I do believe they all know how to find fish and have their own techniques perfected, if not they wouldn't be pros.
Paul Roberts reply :
One can be in a great location and catch nothing, or catch a few, or catch a lot. The rest of the equation matters too.
K_Mac reply :
On 6/1/2014 at 1:03 PM, SirSnookalot said:If location is the paramount ingredient for success, which seems to be the consensus opinion, why do some professionals consistently do better than others? I do believe they all know how to find fish and have their own techniques perfected, if not they wouldn't be pros.
I agree SirSnook.
We can all agree that location is priority 1. With that as a given, then what is the answer to the OP's question? I believe technique trumps bait in almost all cases. Yes, there will be times when just getting something in the right spot will work, and other times when bait size or color is critical. Give me the right technique every time though, and I'll take my chances with the baits I have in my bag, even if they are not the "right" ones.
BassWhole! reply :
On 6/1/2014 at 1:03 PM, SirSnookalot said:..If location is the paramount ingredient for success, which seems to be the consensus opinion, why do some professionals consistently do better than others? I do believe they all know how to find fish and have their own techniques perfected, if not they wouldn't be pros.
Some folks are just better at competing, it has nothing to do with fishing. Coaches and sport psychologists have known this for a long time, and there is a lot of cutting edge research being done by the neuro folks. We see it all the time, someone who is clearly talented, but can't get over the hump, and others who are maybe not the best, but find a way to win, of course every so often, we get "that" guy (or gal) that is a superior at both, and we just awe, the sport is really irrelevant.
missouribigbass reply :
On 6/1/2014 at 11:16 AM, WRB said:The reality is you could backlash that cast with shaky head and worm in the right location, be picking out the backlash and have a bass eat the worm. Was it technique, presentation or the right location....location! Caught lots of bass making bad cast where I didn't intend the lure to go and several picking out backlashes, simply by being in the right place at the right time.
You can have perfect technique and catch nothing if the bass are not there to react to your lure or technique.
Rarely doesn't a technique out fish a lure the bass are responding to.
Tom
The question was technique vs bait. I didnt see anything about location. That's a given. You don't have to be a fisherman to know you can't catch what isn't there.
Fish Murderer 71 reply :
I dont think of it as Technique "vs" lure, its a combination of all three.... Location, tech, and lure. Heres the example ... Thursday nights we have a night tournament, I was fishing a dam going from S to N throwing a fluke, my partner was throwing a topwater, another boat was coming in off a big point to the dam from the N to S. he was thorwing DD and his partner was throwing a lipless, we all ended meeting at a place that produces decent sized fish. They threw theirs several time with no return and left, we continued through where they had just fished, and I pulled out a nice three # bass on a fluke. 4 different lures in the same spot within a mater of minutes... What was it that made my lure more appealing than the other three??? The world may never know!!!
Raul reply :
There´s no technique if there´s no lure and viceversa. Then comes the next thorny question: which lure ?
WRB reply :
Assuming you know how to locate bass during every seasonal period and you are fishing where the bass are located ( big assumption) which is more important the lure or the technique?
When I find bass, this can take a lot of time, I am not thinking about a specific lure or presentation until several factors are determined first.
1. Are the bass active.
2. How deep are they and where are they positioned relative to the structure or cover.
3. What seasonal period are the bass in, water temperature, weather, wind, etc.
Putting this together lures are selected that I have had a high percentage of success with under the prevailing circumstances. Lure selection first, how to present this lure is second to determine if the bass will strike and what it takes to trigger strikes by trail and error.
Selecting a lure that can be effectively fished in cover or deep structure should be your decision after you have located the bass and that isn't a given!
The one thing that experience teaches you is there are a lot if ways to catch bass any given day. Somedays you figure a few out, somedays other anglers do better, no panacea, no magic lure or technique just a lot of fishing.
Tom
hoosierbass07 reply :
I've come to the conclusion bass fishing is 99% about location. Maybe 95%. Then weather/time of year, then time of day (the exact time they want to feed), then presentation. This year I've upped my catch rate because I think I found the real secret to bass fishing - finding different locations to fish at. Different parks, different ponds, and leaving the bank for different areas on my kayak.
macmichael reply :
On 5/30/2014 at 8:51 PM, reason said:Finding fish is most of the equation, figuring out how to catch them is usually not that hard part, although you'd never know it by some things one reads. lures are tools, pick the right one once you get to the job site, sometimes its the mitre saw, sometimes its the screwdriver, sometimes its the hammer.
Sounds to me like you're a carpenter? Never knew all these tools we good at catching fish!!!!! 
Godd analogy though.
RoLo reply :
Between the lure and the delivery technique, I'd definitely give the nod to technique
Two anglers in the same boat may be fishing identical lures, right on down to color,
but at day's end, one of those anglers is going to have a heavier stringer than the other.
The wildcard is 'execution', which isn't a single factor but involves a series of factors.
For instance, an attempt was made to omit location from the equation, but location goes beyond 'boat location'.
'Lure placement' is one of the facets of delivery and it deals with micro-location (Pockets, Fingers, Holes ~).
Presentation also embraces lure Depth, lure Speed and lure Motion, any one of which can make a big difference in results.
Roger
hatrix reply :
On 6/2/2014 at 11:02 PM, RoLo said:Between the lure and the delivery technique, I'd definitely give the nod to technique
Two anglers in the same boat may be fishing identical lures, right on down to color,
but at day's end, one of those anglers is going to have a heavier stringer than the other.
The wildcard is 'execution', which isn't a single factor but involves a series of factors.
For instance, an attempt was made to omit location from the equation, but location goes beyond 'boat location'.
'Lure placement' is one of the facets of delivery and it deals with micro-location (Pockets, Fingers, Holes ~).
Presentation also embraces lure Depth, lure Speed and lure Motion, any one of which can make a big difference in results.
Roger
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This is like what I said in my comment. Location is just a given so I don't know why people are even Include it. I look at it from the point of fishing next to someone and one person catching more fish. There can be multiple baits to get them with but the right presentation is key. Also like you had said casting accuracy could almost be considered location but I think that is more technique.
FrogFreak reply :
Lure or technique huh......I would say lure if I had to pick one. Heck maybe if you have the right lure and use a crazy technique you'll start a new trend! I'm going to try and burn my football jig on top and see what happens.
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