Jig Hookset On A Long Cast? 2024
ABW reply :
I've been missing fish lately on my jigs. I fish from the bank and normally fish jigs like a Texas rigged worm on 20-30 yard cast. After I feel a fish, I reel down and then set the hook vertically, but I have been missing them this way. I'm using a 6'8" MH rod with 14 lb Sniper. The jigs I'm using don't have stout or light wire hooks on them. I read somewhere that setting the hook like a Carolina rig (sweep hookset) with this would help on a long cast. Is this true? Is more force generated when the line is laying more horizontally than vertically?
Penguino reply :
What action rod? and what brand? I would prefer a heavy rod for jigs.
Matthew2000 reply :
Don't reel down, just pull it real hard as soon as you feel the bite. Works for me unless I haveslack out then it's just a mess.
ABW reply :
On 4/8/2015 at 7:03 AM, Penguino said:What action rod? and what brand? I would prefer a heavy rod for jigs.
MH EF Powell. Like I said these hooks aren't heavy wire flipping hooks at all. It's a 1/4 oz All Terrain Skip N Jig.
Smokinal reply :
Sniper fluoro? That stuff is like a rubber band. You wouldn't have that issue with a braid/leader setup. Not looking to start the whole braid vs fluoro thing, just sayin.
ABW reply :
On 4/8/2015 at 7:57 AM, Smokinal said:Sniper fluoro? That stuff is like a rubber band. You wouldn't have that issue with a braid/leader setup. Not looking to start the whole braid vs fluoro thing, just sayin.
I know, I used to fish them with braid with a leader but I didn't like how when I tried to adjust my spool tension for a bait the leader knot would get caught in the guides.
Bass_Fanatic reply :
I throw a football jig on 16lb sniper and have never had a problem. I throw em on a powell 714. Reel down to em and sweep the rod to the side, almost like a Carolina rig hook set.
Ozark_Basser reply :
Braid/fluoro helps. Also, a longer rod really helps, but at the end of a long cast, its harder to stick them regardless. I'm 6'3 and and it takes all I have to stick one at the end of a long cast at about 40 yards with a 1/2 oz jig and a 7H rod, and I'll still miss them if they catch me off guard.
ABW reply :
On 4/8/2015 at 8:06 AM, Bass_Fanatic said:I throw a football jig on 16lb sniper and have never had a problem. I throw em on a powell 714. Reel down to em and sweep the rod to the side, almost like a Carolina rig hook set.
I'll try this the next time I go out.
WRB reply :
Use the search tool, click on the gear icon to the far right of the search box, then type in "Oldschool horizontal jigging", read that thread.
Tom
Big C reply :
In the words of the famous Ron Popeil. "Set it and forget it."
gulfcaptain reply :
On 4/8/2015 at 7:57 AM, Smokinal said:Sniper fluoro? That stuff is like a rubber band. You wouldn't have that issue with a braid/leader setup. Not looking to start the whole braid vs fluoro thing, just sayin.
That's what I do....but agree, not trying to start the which line is better. A longer rod might help as will move more line quicker.
WRB reply :
Do you know how much line a rod 7'4" verses a rod 6'6" moves a jig cast 90 feet away when ripped hard upwards from 10 O'clock to 12 O clock, a traditional hook set? zero! If I told you I can hold the jig Between my thumb and index finger and you could swing for the fences at 90 feet away, using a traditional hook set, the jig wouldn't leave my fingers.On 4/8/2015 at 11:19 AM, gulfcaptain said:That's what I do....but agree, not trying to start the which line is better. A longer rod might help as will move more line quicker.
If you first reel the line tight or until you feel resistance, then sweep the rod back hard, the jig my hit you with a hard force, you can't hold onto the jig. The forces are 100 fold with a reel set and rod sweep verses a hard rod set without taking up all the slack line first, when the jig is cast horizontal over 90'.
The longer rods helps to make longer casts and control big bass when coupled to high IPT reels that helps to take up line faster.
Tom
gulfcaptain reply :
On 4/8/2015 at 11:33 AM, WRB said:Do you know how much line a rod 7'4" verses a rod 6'6" moves a jig cast 90 feet away when ripped hard upwards from 10 O'clock to 12 O clock, a traditional hook set? zero! If I told you I can hold the jig Between my thumb and index finger and you could swing for the fences at 90 feet away, using a traditional hook set, the jig wouldn't leave my fingers.
If you first reel the line tight or until you feel resistance, then sweep the rod back hard, the jig my hit you with a hard force, you can't hold onto the jig. The forces are 100 fold with a reel set and rod sweep verses a hard rod set without taking up all the slack line first, when the jig is cast horizontal over 90'.
Tom
Agree with with you, was a reference to possibly looking into a longer rod....but yes in order to get any good hookset at 90ft you have to use proper technique and that would require taking the steps you stated. My suggestion for the longer rod will not be a fix all. Just a adding to the discussion.
Catt reply :
Drop the rod, reel the slack, & set the hook!
scaleface reply :
On 4/8/2015 at 8:44 PM, Catt said:Drop the rod, reel the slack, & set the hook!
^^ Thats the way I do it. Even worked in the 70's when the rod was 5.5 foot inches long and spooled 14 lb Stren .
Nice_Bass reply :
Yeah...I use sniper fluro as well and it works just fine....sometimes fish can just be lost...or sometimes it is a bit more technique in hooksetting.
scaleface reply :
One of the bass Pros { dont remember which one ] use to make this jig , with the forked weed guard. I would scrape the underside with a pocket knife to bend and weaken it. It got out of the way fast and did not interfere with hooksets. Use to buy them 12 to a card. This is my last one and will not use it. Look at that price .
00 mod reply :
Just to be clear here, a 7'4'' rod will move more line on a hookset than a 6'6'' rod will, if all things are equal.
Just make sure you drop the rod, reel the slack line until you feel pressure and set the hook hard! Works for me at least!
Jeff
BrianinMD reply :
Fully agree with 00 mod, I use a Dobyns DX745 paired with a Chronarch 200E7 spooled with 20lb Abrazx flouro. My hookset is exactly as 00 mod describes and it works very well for me.
tholmes reply :
On 4/8/2015 at 8:44 PM, Catt said:Drop the rod, reel the slack, & set the hook!
This is the way I've always done it. Works like a charm. I'm using a 7' MH rod and 20 lb. Trilene Big Game,
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Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Minus adjustment for reel seat location a 6'6" rod swept from 9:00 to 12:00 (90*) will move the tip 10.362 feet. A 7' rod will move the tip 10.99 feet. The difference is .628' (7.5") Once the slack is removed it shouldn't matter what plane the sweep is made on, in as far as how much line (and hook) is moved.
I try to be quicker on the draw with jigs than plastics as they don't seem to hold them as long. I try keeping the tip low enough as working the jig so there's always some rod avilable to set the hook without too much reeling down.
RanndomUndead reply :
From my personal experience, the longer the cast, the less you really want to set a hook.
Mainly because the further its out, the more your setting it horizontally.
Other guys, instead of letting the fish set the hook itself, will lift the rod up as high as they can and reel/set.
The other trick i know is to wait until you get a hint of the bass turning away and then set the hell out of it. Horizontal or not, making a bass do a 180 with a hook in its mouth is bound to hook something
scaleface reply :
On 4/8/2015 at 10:18 PM, Sean W said:From my personal experience, the longer the cast, the less you really want to set a hook.
Mainly because the further its out, the more your setting it horizontally.
Other guys, instead of letting the fish set the hook itself, will lift the rod up as high as they can and reel/set.
The other trick i know is to wait until you get a hint of the bass turning away and then set the hell out of it. Horizontal or not, making a bass do a 180 with a hook in its mouth is bound to hook something
What if the bass is swimming toward you ?
Try to rig the trailer so it cannot interfere . After all these years Im still experimenting on attaching trailers. Thread them on the shank or just run a hook through them . I have always used a trailer just because everyone else does.
RanndomUndead reply :
On 4/8/2015 at 10:41 PM, scaleface said:What if the bass is swimming toward you ?
Try to rig the trailer so it cannot interfere . After all these years Im still experimenting on attaching trailers. Thread them on the shank or just run a hook through them . I have always used a trailer just because everyone else does.
When the line goes slack on a bite i hold the rod pointing to the left or right, tighten it up a little, and then set the hook into a new dimension on an angle.
I only ever side swipe with circle hooks
WRB reply :
The math works for a circumstance arc representing the rod tip travel. The problem is more complex, you can't use only rod tip traveling in a arc, you factor in the chord travel when the line is fixed 90' to 100' away on a horizontal plane. The difference rod tip moving the line at the fish is under 1", ( difference in angles (fish at 20' deep is about 10 degrees @ 90-100') the jig doesn't see a difference in force being applied between rods 6'6" and 7'5" in a horizontal plane, vertical plane it works.On 4/8/2015 at 10:11 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:Minus adjustment for reel seat location a 6'6" rod swept from 9:00 to 12:00 (90*) will move the tip 10.362 feet. A 7' rod will move the tip 10.99 feet. The difference is .628' (7.5") Once the slack is removed it shouldn't matter what plane the sweep is made on, in as far as how much line (and hook) is moved.
I try to be quicker on the draw with jigs than plastics as they don't seem to hold them as long. I try keeping the tip low enough as working the jig so there's always some rod avilable to set the hook without too much reeling down.
What makes a big difference is using the reel to crank the line tight as fast as possible (reel the slack). The time used up to drop the rod tip and reel in line until the slack is taken up depends on how much line needs to be recovered, a reel recovers between 15" to 25" per reel handle turn depending on the reel IPT at 100' of line off the spool.
1 more reel handle turn recovers more line then the rod movement.
Drop the rod tip down towards the surface, ( where it should be to start with), reel quickly to take up the slack line, ( agree) set the hook works as long as the jig is still in the basses mouth, time is a problem with jigs. Slack line is also a problem the higher you hold the rod tip off the water surface. If you can't detect a strike, none of this matters.
If you are not catching big bass on jigs, you are doing something wrong. My guess is if you don't detect strikes, you are not catching bass, the bass rarely hook themselves with a jig.
Tom
Cgrinder reply :
Fan out or thin your weedguards.
Catt reply :
Speed is key; as Tom mentioned there is a time frame that starts with the bass "vacuuming" your jig off the bottom and lasts until they spit it. If your strike detection and subsequent hook set is in the latter half of that time frame your hookup ratio will suffer.
Drop the rod: I'm old school, I keep my rod tip high, somewhere around the 11 °clock position and I seldom drop below the 9:30 position before setting hook.
Reel the slack: Y'all talk like there are yards of line to take up! The amount of slack in your line should never be more than a turn or two of the handle.
Dropping the rod tip and reeling in slack is done simultaneously!
Set the hook: I set hook straight up bringing my reel to my chest, arching my back, and sometimes taking a step backwards. This provides more than enough power to turn a 10 lb bass's head towards me and gets her coming up!
CalebJ reply :
you could start by going with a little bit longer rod like a 7'3 MH F and use a sweeping or 3/4 hook set over the shoulder, or you could try fishing just a little closer to the bank if you can seem to keep a fish on at that distance. It is generally a little harder to set the hook on a jig rather than a texas rig or something of that sort
ABW reply :
On 4/8/2015 at 8:06 AM, Bass_Fanatic said:I throw a football jig on 16lb sniper and have never had a problem. I throw em on a powell 714. Reel down to em and sweep the rod to the side, almost like a Carolina rig hook set.
On 4/8/2015 at 9:55 AM, WRB said:Use the search tool, click on the gear icon to the far right of the search box, then type in "Oldschool horizontal jigging", read that thread.
Tom
I read your article and did exactly this today. Using the same rod, but a different jig this time. I was using a 3/8 oz arky from Siebert Outdoors, which has a substantially thicker wire hook than the jig I was using before. I had gotten 6 bites, and landed all 6. Thanks for the help guys.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 4/8/2015 at 10:11 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:Minus adjustment for reel seat location a 6'6" rod swept from 9:00 to 12:00 (90*) will move the tip 10.362 feet. A 7' rod will move the tip 10.99 feet. The difference is .628' (7.5") Once the slack is removed it shouldn't matter what plane the sweep is made on, in as far as how much line (and hook) is moved.
I try to be quicker on the draw with jigs than plastics as they don't seem to hold them as long. I try keeping the tip low enough as working the jig so there's always some rod avilable to set the hook without too much reeling down.
Did you use the formula s=r(theta) to figure this out? Lol.
Ozark_Basser reply :
Tom is right though. To figure the EXACT distance traveled, it would depend on where the bait is. If you did an experiment at different distances and angles such as vertical, horizontal, or in between where the line would make a 45 degree angle with the rod tip's starting position before setting the hook, you'd find the distances wouldn't vary the same. The two graphs wouldn't be linear.On 4/9/2015 at 2:34 AM, WRB said:The math works for a circumstance arc representing the rod tip travel. The problem is more complex, you can't use only rod tip traveling in a arc, you factor in the chord travel when the line is fixed 90' to 100' away on a horizontal plane. The difference rod tip moving the line at the fish is under 1", ( difference in angles (fish at 20' deep is about 10 degrees @ 90-100') the jig doesn't see a difference in force being applied between rods 6'6" and 7'5" in a horizontal plane, vertical plane it works.
What makes a big difference is using the reel to crank the line tight as fast as possible (reel the slack). The time used up to drop the rod tip and reel in line until the slack is taken up depends on how much line needs to be recovered, a reel recovers between 15" to 25" per reel handle turn depending on the reel IPT at 100' of line off the spool.
1 more reel handle turn recovers more line then the rod movement.
Drop the rod tip down towards the surface, ( where it should be to start with), reel quickly to take up the slack line, ( agree) set the hook works as long as the jig is still in the basses mouth, time is a problem with jigs. Slack line is also a problem the higher you hold the rod tip off the water surface. If you can't detect a strike, none of this matters.
If you are not catching big bass on jigs, you are doing something wrong. My guess is if you don't detect strikes, you are not catching bass, the bass rarely hook themselves with a jig.
Tom
However, it would depend on how you set the hook. If you were on a horizontal plane 90' away and set the hook straight up from 0 to 90 degrees the differences wouldn't matter too much between a 7' and 6'6 rod. If you set the hook sideways or did a sweep hookset, there would still be a pretty significant difference between the two. So DVT's math is applicable, if you set the hook at the right angle.
WRB reply :
Congratulations you solved the hook set problem and have a technique that works for you.On 4/10/2015 at 7:47 AM, ABW said:I read your article and did exactly this today. Using the same rod, but a different jig this time. I was using a 3/8 oz arky from Siebert Outdoors, which has a substantially thicker wire hook than the jig I was using before. I had gotten 6 bites, and landed all 6. Thanks for the help guys.
Tom
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