Worst hooksets? 2024
billmac reply :
In your experience, which baits are the most difficult to get a good, consistent hookset with?
I'm guessing for many, the answer will be with jigs. That isn't my experience but that's more to do with the fact that I don't use jigs much.
I only started fishing chatterbaits last year, but I had quite a bit of difficulty getting a good hookset with them.
JediAmoeba reply :
Crankbaits and Jerkbaits - because if they swipe at it and you only get one hook meagerly in the lip, your only hope is they turn and get the other hook in the face.
Michigander reply :
Any bait can have an awful hookup ratio when fished on the wrong rod/line setup.
MassYak85 reply :
Frogs for me, even with the right setup my timing is just off sometimes and if they wrap your line around cover you can end up setting the hook around something like a clump of lily pads and miss them through no fault of your own.
Jermination reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 1:02 AM, billmac said:In your experience, which baits are the most difficult to get a good, consistent hookset with?
I'm guessing for many, the answer will be with jigs. That isn't my experience but that's more to do with the fact that I don't use jigs much.
I only started fishing chatterbaits last year, but I had quite a bit of difficulty getting a good hookset with them.
not sure if it's necessarily the hookset, but i lose more fish on lipless than everything else combined that i throw.
my guess would be if you're having a tough time getting a good hook with a chatterbait step up a notch in rod power, should throw them on at least a MH to drive that big hook home & keep em buttoned
A-Jay reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 1:06 AM, JediAmoeba said:Crankbaits and Jerkbaits - because if they swipe at it and you only get one hook meagerly in the lip, your only hope is they turn and get the other hook in the face.
If I fished stock treble hooks, I'd agree with this.
But I do not, so this is not something I have to deal with.
Once Hooked, I Very rarely lose Crankbait or Jerkbait fish.
However, please do not ask me about my hollow body frog hook up ratio - because it's a little embarrassing.
A-Jay
Choporoz reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 1:02 AM, billmac said:I only started fishing chatterbaits last year, but I had quite a bit of difficulty getting a good hookset with them.
What rod, line and chatterbait brands are you using? I quit trying chatterbaits for about 2-3 years after starting with zman originals -- don't think I ever hooked up with them. Now that I use better lures, MHF rod w/40# braid, the only time I miss is when they don't bother to hit until 3 feet from the boat....I do miss a good number like that every year.
JG233 reply :
I rarely whiff on a hookset while fishing the Seibert Fogy chatterbait. They're also very affordable.
JediAmoeba reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 1:23 AM, A-Jay said:If I fished stock treble hooks, I'd agree with this.
But I do not, so this is not something I have to deal with.
Once Hooked, I Very rarely lose Crankbait or Jerkbait fish.
However, please do not ask me about my hollow body frog hook up ratio - because it's a little embarrassing.
A-Jay
I almost always change out my hooks to owners or gamakatsu's but lose more of these fish than all others combined. It may have to do with the small fish I target unlike the BIG bass you are catching ????
PhishLI reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 1:02 AM, billmac said:I only started fishing chatterbaits last year, but I had quite a bit of difficulty getting a good hookset with them.
I can't say why exactly but I had a bad habit of pointing my rod directly at the lure when I first started throwing chatterbaits. Especially on straight chuck and wind retrieves. Hookups were terrible. I'm now in the habit of instantly indexing to the right or left once the bait hits the water which brings my rod about 90 degrees to the line. Hookups went up like crazy. The reason is obvious..
Hook2Jaw reply :
Frogs, mostly because it's hard to keep in mind I should be waiting before I slam them but also because I don't have a dedicated rod to drive the double hooks home.
Crankbaits also give me a time. I lost a beauty last year because the rod I was using was undoubtedly too stiff. I think I'm going to ask for a deep cranking rod for my birthday.
Cdn Angler reply :
For whatever reason I've had a lot of whopper plopper fish come off, especially smallmouth and in the 110 size. Less so when using 75. I speculate that the 110 is too big for their mouth and I only get 1 hook in and they then can shake the heavy bait. I've tried horsing them and playing them with the same results. Mono seemed to be better than braid. Anyone have a suggestion? 110 specifically.
I bought a D&M inline buzzsaw buzzbait this summer that had a massive 6/0 hook. Hook ups were not the issue, but the hook was so big nearly every fish was hooked through their eye or close. I stopped throwing it.
scaleface reply :
Toads %$#
J Francho reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 2:10 AM, scaleface said:Toads %$#
Same. Although, I wonder if the fish are missing just as bad as me. About half the time, I catch them with a follow up bait.
Jrob78 reply :
I might be interpreting the question differently than some of you but for me it's frogs and weightless plastics, like Senkos and Flukes. Frogs don't always get the bait well and with weightless plastics bite detection, line management and line stretch can be an issue. Plus frogs and plastics generally use a big heavy hook so driving it in can be a problem.
Treble hooked baits are pretty easy as you don't have to slam a hookset to drive the hook in and the baits are moving already so you just sweep into it and momentum usually hooks them. I also change out the majority of my hooks so I don't lose many fish once hooked up.
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
Texas rig with mono. That rubberband stretch though... ????????
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
Jig for me, I lost too many fish on Jig especially when I’m on floatable device. I don’t have problem on land BTW.
fishwizzard reply :
Huddgills. Hit to land ratio has to be no better then 30/70 and likely worse.
keagbassr reply :
Frogs/toads for sure
J Francho reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 2:26 AM, NittyGrittyBoy said:Texas rig with mono. That rubberband stretch though... ????????
Anything with mono, really. But you have to remember we used mono for everything for at least 20+ years (in my days, at least). It was without issue back then - I really don't remember whiffing on too many. Maybe braid has made us all soft? 
collinfiske_RFC reply :
Frog is tough even on some of the best days with the right gear. I'm envious of those with a really high hookup percentage. Opening those hooks up from the frog and using a softer frog helps a little bit I've found. Also if throwing the frog, and a hookset is missed, keep a rod rigged next to you with something quiet, light and low profile and send it right in there. Mine is usually a senko or something like that. I've gotten plenty of secondary strikes on the drop right after the blow up.
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
I'm trying to be all nostalgic like Catt and use that old school stuff ????
Shimano_1 reply :
Frogs have been the only thing I've ever had any problems with. Certain frogs just didn't seem to be able to hook up for me. Learned to bend the hooks up a little and stick to a cple that have done better for me
TnRiver46 reply :
Frogs/toads
Jermination reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 5:30 AM, TnRiver46 said:Frogs/toads
boys the key to catching fish on frogs is hold your rod tip high & count to 3 after its underwater. They miss the frog more than i miss them
Mobasser reply :
I don't really think we can blame the line for missing fish on hooksets. I use mono for most stuff, and Miss very few fish on t rigs or jigs. My worst bait for missing fish on hookset are lipless baits. I flipped with 25lb mono yrs ago, just like everyone else. I also remember everyone frogging with mono line too. Did we always miss more fish? No. Fish are missed on hooksets by slow reaction time. Just an opinion. No right or wrong.
Michigander reply :
Ok, so it's not just me with Toads. What are we doing wrong?
Mobasser reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 8:14 AM, Michigander said:Ok, so it's not just me with Toads. What are we doing wrong?
I think it's the way fish hit toads in general? Lots of bass swipe at them.
On 2/11/2020 at 1:23 AM, A-Jay said:If I fished stock treble hooks, I'd agree with this.
But I do not, so this is not something I have to deal with.
Once Hooked, I Very rarely lose Crankbait or Jerkbait fish.
However, please do not ask me about my hollow body frog hook up ratio - because it's a little embarrassing.
A-Jay
Me too A-Jay. This season, I'm going to try to wait that extra 1 or 2 seconds before I set the hook. I think in the excitement of a frog blowup, I've jerked the bait away from the fish too quickly? Sometimes though, it's hard to force yourself to do that.
Sam reply :
Frogs, hands down!
Bird reply :
I remember fishing a non pressured farm pond late in the evening with a Jitterbug and had a huge bass blowing up on it 8-10 times on 1 cast without hooking it.......that's a terrible ratio.
jbsoonerfan reply :
Frogs, I try to wait and sometimes I think I do but alas that frog comes flying back at me more often than I want it to.
Michigander reply :
For frogs, I don't miss many of them but for toads I don't catch many. I mostly use toads to get fish riled up and then toss a Rage Craw in there and haul 'em out since they reveal their location. Would love to just catch them on the toad though, would be so much more efficient.
Cranks4fun reply :
When I fish Spro or Booyah frogs (hollow bodied) I get lots of misses. I use 40-50 lb Sufix braid and I still don't get the hook-set timing right most of the time. Bass love to "hit and spit" those floating frogs. My fishing buddy has had better "luck" (skill) than I have with those.
The Ribbit toads, on the other hand, are a far more consistent catcher for me. The only time I have had problems with the hook-up rate on Ribbit toads is when I used the special Ribbit twin hook system they sell. It was horrible! I went back to a heavy guage #5 wide-gap Gammy hook and my catch rates were very high. We love those Ribbit toads on the edges of pads a weed mats. I may miss one in ten bites on those. Just thinking about that surface bite has me longing for spring! Splash, plop, plop, plop, plop, BLAMM!!
Michigander reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 8:59 AM, Cranks4fun said:When I fish Spro or Booyah frogs (hollow bodied) I get lots of misses. I use 40-50 lb Sufix braid and I still don't get the hook-set timing right most of the time. Bass love to "hit and spit" those floating frogs. My fishing buddy has had better "luck" (skill) than I have with those.
The Ribbit toads, on the other hand, are a far more consistent catcher for me. The only time I have had problems with the hook-up rate on Ribbit toads is when I used the special Ribbit twin hook system they sell. It was horrible! I went back to a heavy guage #5 wide-gap Gammy hook and my catch rates were very high. We love those Ribbit toads on the edges of pads a weed mats. I may miss one in ten bites on those. Just thinking about that surface bite has me longing for spring! Splash, plop, plop, plop, plop, BLAMM!!
I think if we ever meet, a singularity will form because you are basically my opposite. Spro and Booyah frogs are my preferred now because I get nine out of ten fish but a toad is one out of ten. My toad retrieve is splash, plop, plop, plop, splash, plop, plop, splash, splash, plop, *profanity*, repeat.
Cranks4fun reply :
Michigander, What kind of "toads" do you have problems with? Are the Ribbits or Zooms or something else? Also, tell the trick to success with my Spro frogs if you know one. I love floating those frogs into holes in the pads and I usually get hits but very few catches on those things.
jbsoonerfan reply :
I'm certainly not the best fisherman, nor do I consider myself to be very smart, but I often wonder if their first "strike" if you want to call it that is an attempt to injure the prey to make it easier to eat. Maybe it is more of a thought out approach to feeding as opposed to a moving topwater bite like a buzzbait. Similar to maybe a strike on a jig or soft plastic versus a spinnerbait or crankbait. Could be that I am totally wrong and they don't have the thought process to act in such a manner, just something I have given thought to.
FishinBuck07 reply :
Definitely frogs for me! I have hit myself in the face multiple times with a darn frog on a hookset!????
Michigander reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 9:09 AM, Cranks4fun said:Michigander, What kind of "toads" do you have problems with? Are the Ribbits or Zooms or something else? Also, tell the trick to success with my Spro frogs if you know one. I love floating those frogs into holes in the pads and I usually get hits but very few catches on those things.
Zoom Horny Toads and Rage Toads on all manner of hooks, tell me your secrets. For the frogs, it's the same hookset as jig but at 2x speed, when you see the strike, reel down quick and instead of weighing the fish because you know she's got it already, swing as soon as the line gets taunt. I think most people swing to early or too late. There's a split second sweet spot that once you find it, you can find it again.
A-Jay reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 8:16 AM, Mobasser said:I think it's the way fish hit toads in general? Lots of bass swipe at them.
Me too A-Jay. This season, I'm going to try to wait that extra 1 or 2 seconds before I set the hook. I think in the excitement of a frog blowup, I've jerked the bait away from the fish too quickly? Sometimes though, it's hard to force yourself to do that.
Yup ~
It's not that I don't wait - I can do that OK.
It's more like, less than 1/2 of my 'strikes' are more like slaps and the fish isn't really eating the bait.
That's right about the time I need to duck . . . .
A-Jay
islandbass reply :
You guys are sad. I never miss a hook up. Ever. Never ever times ten to the 20th power, lol.
Just kidding. For me, it would probably be treble lures in which the strike was less than ideal or my line was so far away that setting the hook is a bit difficult.
my losses generally occur on the timing of the hook set moreso than the lure type. .
Either I don’t react fast enough or react too fast and am unable to make the right adjustments in the timing is where I tend to lose.
On the bright side, I’ve never missed a hook set in the winter. Absolutely true.
TnRiver46 reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 9:24 AM, jbsoonerfan said:I'm certainly not the best fisherman, nor do I consider myself to be very smart, but I often wonder if their first "strike" if you want to call it that is an attempt to injure the prey to make it easier to eat. Maybe it is more of a thought out approach to feeding as opposed to a moving topwater bite like a buzzbait. Similar to maybe a strike on a jig or soft plastic versus a spinnerbait or crankbait. Could be that I am totally wrong and they don't have the thought process to act in such a manner, just something I have given thought to.
That’s what all the old timers say about the Night walleye bite here in the spring during alewife spawn. If you go out between 2 am and daylight, supposedly the alewives spawn on the surface (you find this by sound) and the walleyes tear through them. The technique is to parallel the bluff walls with a wobbling type jerkbait waking it on the surface. When you hear the first blowup, your instructions are to do nothing. Then when you hear the second blowup you reel in your fish.
Columbia Craw reply :
Frogs and some other top water baits. It's all about timing and the manner in which the fish strike. AS said and said well, good hooks and the right line and rod and setting the hook is not an issue.
Bluebasser86 reply :
I don't miss many frog bites, and I don't wait after the bite either. If the bait is gone after the blowup, the fish has it. They don't have hands, so unless it landed on top of it, it's in his mouth. IMO, waiting just gives them more time to spit it or bury up in the slop and make getting a solid hook set more difficult. Still going to miss some, it's part of the game, but I hook a vast majority of them since I started swinging as soon as I see the frog is gone.
I have the worst luck with tubes getting a solid hook set, especially if I'm fishing a stupid tube rig. It works great to get bites,
Jaderose reply :
I kinda figured the answer would be frogs/toads. People get all hung up on "you gotta wait this much time", etc. Frogging is, to me, more about practice, experience, and "feel" than anything else. It breaks my heart when I see people giving up on frogging because of the terrible hook up rate. I have spent hour after hour after hour after hour doing nothing but and I have gotten pretty darn good at it. My hook up rate at the height of the season is somewhere around 90-95%. It's that 5-10% miss rate that keeps me doing it...that, and the fact that it is by far the most excitement this old feller can have with a rod in his hand. I love it.
flyfisher reply :
Hollow bodied frogs are probably my lowest but i am with everyone else that I don't think they always eat it. Buzz toad type baits I don't miss many.
Being in a kayak I have learned that certain techniques benefit from standing on the hookset. My guess is the angle of the hookset pulls more up than out. Other baits once I have them on I don't lose too many unless they shake at the boat on a weak treble hookup or in the slop.
N Florida Mike reply :
Swimming toads, like ribbett, etc.
I do ok with the hollow body frogs.
Probably strange to most of y’all on here, and somewhat off topic, but I have a much reduced hook up rate with ANY bait , using braided line as opposed to mono.
Michigander reply :
On 2/12/2020 at 12:12 AM, Jaderose said:I kinda figured the answer would be frogs/toads. People get all hung up on "you gotta wait this much time", etc. Frogging is, to me, more about practice, experience, and "feel" than anything else. It breaks my heart when I see people giving up on frogging because of the terrible hook up rate. I have spent hour after hour after hour after hour doing nothing but and I have gotten pretty darn good at it. My hook up rate at the height of the season is somewhere around 90-95%. It's that 5-10% miss rate that keeps me doing it...that, and the fact that it is by far the most excitement this old feller can have with a rod in his hand. I love it.
That's about where I am with frogs. I love them, more so than other lures, and have really really practiced with them. I don't have to think about the hookset, I just let my muscle memory do it for me, then it's up to my brain to figure out how to get them back to the boat.
On 2/12/2020 at 12:18 AM, flyfisher said:Hollow bodied frogs are probably my lowest but i am with everyone else that I don't think they always eat it. Buzz toad type baits I don't miss many.
Based on empirical evidence, I don't think most people can be good at frogs and toads, it's one or the other...
flyfisher reply :
On 2/12/2020 at 6:47 AM, Michigander said:That's about where I am with frogs. I love them, more so than other lures, and have really really practiced with them. I don't have to think about the hookset, I just let my muscle memory do it for me, then it's up to my brain to figure out how to get them back to the boat.
Based on empirical evidence, I don't think most people can be good at frogs and toads, it's one or the other...
I did fine last year on them but compared to other techniques it is definitely the worst ratio.
Michigander reply :
On 2/12/2020 at 7:31 AM, flyfisher said:I did fine last year on them but compared to other techniques it is definitely the worst ratio.
I lose more on spinnerbaits than I do frogs. Toads however... 10% strike to hookup to land is a great day for me.
flyfisher reply :
On 2/12/2020 at 7:33 AM, Michigander said:I lose more on spinnerbaits than I do frogs. Toads however... 10% strike to hookup to land is a great day for me.
I usually only throw a toad when i am getting blowups and no hookups on the hollow body. More often than not, it makes for a better day of frogging. I figured if they are blowing it up and I am not hooking up that a different type of bait in the same areas will up my chances.
Ratherbfishing reply :
As A Jay mentioned, lipless crankbaits with stock hooks are rather frustrating. I either widen the gap on these with pliers or replace them with one or two sizes larger-especially the back hooks.
frogflogger reply :
I fished frogs almost exclusively for five years in the glades and had good hook up success. Once I quit using too stiff of a rod. I use an old daiwa l&t frog rod that has flex and power. I keep the rod tip low and don't count, after a bit of experience you know when they have the frog and it is usually sooner than you think. I keep grinding at the hookset and don't let up. I never have seen the need to bend hooks up but many claim it helps. I always use a sideways hookset keeping the rod tip low. It took a while to figure this out but my partner and I had many days of rarely missing a strike. I still fish frogs up here in the hills where I miss more spotted bass strikes than I care to admit but I'll just call them small.
txchaser reply :
Frogs for me too, but I had a bad habit of either not reeling the slack all the way out or dropping the tip just a little before the hookset. Both had the same effect, no fish.
billmac reply :
Not an experienced frog fisherman. What's causing the bad hookups? Are they not taking it all the way in?
TnRiver46 reply :
On 2/14/2020 at 12:36 AM, billmac said:Not an experienced frog fisherman. What's causing the bad hookups? Are they not taking it all the way in?
I think it’s Murphy’s law. I had a bucket mouth this summer jumping all around the boat and finally came off. Turns out the barbs had rusted off the frog hooks! And when you throw one around lily pads down in the Deep South? It’s destined for heartbreak. The biggest one in there will eat it, wrap around the pad stem, and stick your hooks into it and be free. Seems like a worm puts more in the boat but you can sure locate them blowing up a frog
Paul Roberts reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 1:18 AM, Jermination said:not sure if it's necessarily the hookset, but i lose more fish on lipless than everything else combined that i throw.
my guess would be if you're having a tough time getting a good hook with a chatterbait step up a notch in rod power, should throw them on at least a MH to drive that big hook home & keep em buttoned
I like this answer. Lots in there to think about.
Agree with the chance for fish coming unpinned with lipless cranks. They are heavy and easy for fish to throw. I like a powerful rod that will keep that line tight.
I used to fish barbless hooks on my crankbaits, without complaints -(except with jumpers). Have gone to micro-barbs since and learned more about unhooking. Anyway, I found that I lost more fish on softer rods with barbless hooks. Realized the only way to keep them pinned was keeping the line tight at all moments. Too soft a rod allowed moments, esp on headshakes, when they'd easily spit the hook. Power is required. (Barbless hooks and lipless cranks, like jigs, is a losing combination.)
Agreed about rod power being a primary consideration. The bigger the hook, the heavier the bait, the more power needed to both set and keep buttoned.
If you aren't getting hooks in, beyond hook sharpness, rod power is worth looking at.
txchaser reply :
Anyone tried the savage gear hooks that use a braid attachment instead of a metal eye?
Bass Ninja reply :
On 2/12/2020 at 12:12 AM, Jaderose said:I kinda figured the answer would be frogs/toads. People get all hung up on "you gotta wait this much time", etc. Frogging is, to me, more about practice, experience, and "feel" than anything else. It breaks my heart when I see people giving up on frogging because of the terrible hook up rate. I have spent hour after hour after hour after hour doing nothing but and I have gotten pretty darn good at it. My hook up rate at the height of the season is somewhere around 90-95%. It's that 5-10% miss rate that keeps me doing it...that, and the fact that it is by far the most excitement this old feller can have with a rod in his hand. I love it.
Almost the same for me. A friend got me addicted to frog fishing, so now when I go out, 70% of the time I'm throwing a frog, 25% its a chatterbait, and the last 5% whatever else I think might work. What changed for me was seeing a video of some underwater footage showing that a lot of bass slap the frog underwater first, trying to stun it, and then turn and take it in their mouth. I missed a lot of fish till I learned that. Like other have mentioned, waiting for the right time to set the hook was big, but just as big is getting that feel for when is the right time when the bass gets the frog its mouth. I've noticed that pretty much every fish will require a slightly different length of time...its just about getting that feel for what is happening on the end of the line, making sure the fish has it, and then crossing their eyes. It seems to me that when a frog is sitting still, bigger bass over 3 lbs tend to just come under and suck it in. If its on the move, or a smaller bass, it usually slaps it beneath the surface and then bites. I hardly ever fish standing in my kayak, and setting the hook over my head or sideways doesn't seem to make a difference.
Glenn reply :
I rarely miss fish on frogs and toads. Took me awhile to re-train myself on hooksets in order to improve, because it's easier said than done. But you really have to ignore the strike, and instead do nothing until you feel the fish TUGGING on your line. THEN lay into 'em!
Here's my frog fishing video where's there's several catches caught on film. The link starts the video at one of the catches. You can see how long I wait after the strike until I set the hook. I then go into more detail about the hookset, because you're dealing with thick, heavy hooks.
Jaderose reply :
On 2/14/2020 at 11:32 PM, Bass Ninja said:Almost the same for me. A friend got me addicted to frog fishing, so now when I go out, 70% of the time I'm throwing a frog, 25% its a chatterbait, and the last 5% whatever else I think might work. What changed for me was seeing a video of some underwater footage showing that a lot of bass slap the frog underwater first, trying to stun it, and then turn and take it in their mouth. I missed a lot of fish till I learned that. Like other have mentioned, waiting for the right time to set the hook was big, but just as big is getting that feel for when is the right time when the bass gets the frog its mouth. I've noticed that pretty much every fish will require a slightly different length of time...its just about getting that feel for what is happening on the end of the line, making sure the fish has it, and then crossing their eyes. It seems to me that when a frog is sitting still, bigger bass over 3 lbs tend to just come under and suck it in. If its on the move, or a smaller bass, it usually slaps it beneath the surface and then bites. I hardly ever fish standing in my kayak, and setting the hook over my head or sideways doesn't seem to make a difference.
Exactly. I can't count the number of times I've had bass knock my frog 3 or 4 feet in the air because they were slapping at it. PLUS, the muck mats I fish are heavy and thick so there is basically no way the frog can actually be seen. They are guessing based on vibration. If you set the hook on every explosion you will miss pretty much most of them AND now your frog is gone. When they slap or blow up and miss, your frog needs to still be there. Couple of *Pop...pop's* later and it's game on. They are dialed in and will inhale your frog. Cross their eyes and get them outta there...FAST
the reel ess reply :
On 2/11/2020 at 1:02 AM, billmac said:In your experience, which baits are the most difficult to get a good, consistent hookset with?
I'm guessing for many, the answer will be with jigs. That isn't my experience but that's more to do with the fact that I don't use jigs much.
I only started fishing chatterbaits last year, but I had quite a bit of difficulty getting a good hookset with them.
I agree with both of these. To get better at the jig I decided to put one on a dedicated rod and use it every time out. If you're thinking it will be like a T rigged worm with an offset shank worm hook, you're wrong. That's a thick gauge hook with a fiber weedguard in front that you really have to drive home hard as well as a soft plastic that can foul the hook points. Many times I've tried to set the hook on a smaller fish only to have it spit the bait. Thankfully, bigger bass are easier to set it on because they offer good resistance. Basically, it's the same with the chatterbait. I even sharpened my point and still missed a bunch.
The frog is one that has a low hookup rate. But that's because the fish don't get the hooks in the mouth as often and you have to compress the bait to expose them. You need to feel that fish's weight before you set. When they do get the hooks, if you don't turn them towards you they have a tendency to leverage the frog out in the weeds. If you'll take some pliers and bend the hook poits out just a tad, so that they're not touching the plastic body, you'll hook more bass. A HVY-F or MF longer rod will help out a lot with any of these.
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