How far will a senko sink? 2024
Ksam1234 reply :
So I looked on the forums for sink rate and maybe I didn't dig deep enough but how far on average will a senko fall? Fishing a new lake Saturday and the max depth is only 15 ft but the mean depth is 7.. let's say the wind speeds are between 4-10 mph.. would he senko be able to reach 15 ft? Or at least 7 ?
portiabrat reply :
Depends on current. If you want to fish a senko deeper than, say, 10 feet, you're probably better off putting one on a drop shot.
WRB reply :
If you take a Senko out of the package and toss in the water it will sink to the bottom over time, the salt content is greater than the soft plastisol making it heavier than water. How long depends on current and line buoyancy. When you add a hook it increases the Senko weight. If you use FC line the line tends to sink. Adding a 3/32 nail weight increases the sink rate and allows you to keep in contact to determine strikes, for this reading the Neko rig is popular.
Tom
J Francho reply :
It will sink until it hits bottom, like any sinking bait.
Ksam1234 reply :
On 10/11/2017 at 7:04 AM, J Francho said:It will sink until it hits bottom, like any sinking bait.
Well that's is if it's light enough.. it may sink but with the wind I didn't know how hard it would effect the sink rate. If you put a senko on the the niagra river let's say, I highly doubt it would reach the bottom as the river runs very fast.. as why I asked if it would easily reach the bottom of this lake.
And thanks @WRB and @portiabrat .. I figured it would be able to reach or at least almost reach. Here really isn't much current except for whichever way the wind blows. And it's only supposed to blow 4-8 mph with an occasional 10 gust.. so pretty calm day
frogflogger reply :
I've fished them 15' but it took a lot of patience and if there's a breeze it calls for some boat handling to feed the line down.
geo g reply :
The answer is: (All the way to the bottom). The only question is how long will it take to get there. That depends on conditions. As a rule, I use the least amount of weight on the line to get the job done, for all baits. This gives fish at all depths a shot at seeing and reacting to the bait on the fall.
Ksam1234 reply :
On 10/11/2017 at 6:56 AM, WRB said:When you add a hook it increases the Senko weight. If you use FC line the line tends to sink.
I have been using braid this entire time on my weightless plastics or senkos, should I use flouro bc it sinks or is braid ok? @geo g what do you think as well? I don't like to use leaders like braid with flouro.. so would straight braid be ok or flouro for the added sink rate
Fishing Rhino reply :
Methinks the deeper it goes, the faster it will fall. How do I reach that conclusion? It's really quite simple.
Water pressure increases with depth. Water pressure will compress the senko, reducing resistance and drag. Ergo, because the bait is smaller due to water pressure while the mass is unchanged, therefore, it will fall faster.
Of course, we will have to take into account that the deeper it goes the more line it has to "drag" to the bottom.
Does the compression of the senko offset the added drag of the line? I don't know. You'll have to ask someone smarter than me.
Pardon my silliness, I've been up too long. Left the house at three-thirty this morning and just got home. A long day on the water will do that to me.
Edit: Does anyone know if a senko will sink in salt water? I've really got to shower and go to bed.
geo g reply :
I use floro 90% of the time with my plastics. First of all it sinks, its invisible under water, it is super sensitive, It holds up well to abrasion from rock,wood, and weeds,and you can feel the slightest tick of the line from finicky bass. The only down side is its expensive.
Not all floro is the same. You will have to try them out until you find the one you like. Trilene 100% professional grade has been my choice for years.
Ksam1234 reply :
On 10/11/2017 at 8:24 AM, geo g said:I use floro 90% of the time with my plastics. First of all it sinks, its invisible under water, it is super sensitive, It holds up well to abrasion from rock,wood, and weeds,and you can feel the slightest tick of the line from finicky bass. The only down side is its expensive.
Not all floro is the same. You will have to try them out until you find the one you like. Trilene 100% professional grade has been my choice for years.
Awesome I'll have to try it.. does it tangle a lot on a bait caster or does it stay pretty straight ? I have never used flouro ever to be honest.. and with the hook set, do you set it harder bc of the stretch ?
geo g reply :
Floro takes a little more care on the spool when you use it. I spray it before starting the day and after the days over to recondition it. After every cast, before reeling back in, I will take a quick look at the reel to be sure there is no slack on the spool. If there is I will tighten up the slack. This all takes about a second of my time. I have been using this stuff so long I don't even think about it, its all automatic now. You take care of your line, and it will last you a long time.
Bassguytom reply :
If you are using it wacky use a wacky jig to fish it deeper. That is what we do when fishing senko' deeper then 10 feet.
RPreeb reply :
On 10/11/2017 at 8:18 AM, Fishing Rhino said:Methinks the deeper it goes, the faster it will fall. How do I reach that conclusion? It's really quite simple.
Water pressure increases with depth. Water pressure will compress the senko, reducing resistance and drag. Ergo, because the bait is smaller due to water pressure while the mass is unchanged, therefore, it will fall faster.
Of course, we will have to take into account that the deeper it goes the more line it has to "drag" to the bottom.
Does the compression of the senko offset the added drag of the line? I don't know. You'll have to ask someone smarter than me.
Pardon my silliness, I've been up too long. Left the house at three-thirty this morning and just got home. A long day on the water will do that to me.
Edit: Does anyone know if a senko will sink in salt water? I've really got to shower and go to bed.
It will only compress if the material is compressible. Senko plastic is pretty dense, and I don't think that there is much effect from pressure, at least not at the depths that you will be fishing it. At 33 feet you have doubles the pressure from what you have at the surface, but that won't have any significant effect on something like a plastic worm. A balloon full of air will be half the volume at 33 feet that it is at the surface, but air is far more compressible than a Senko.
I've been down as far as 150 feet on scuba and that has had no effect on anything that I had with me except for my air supply, which went away very quickly at that depth. Nitrogen absorption limits one's stay down there to just a few minutes anyway without having to go through decompression.
J Francho reply :
You aren't fishing the Niagara, so current isn't an issue. Sounds more like a pond. If it's windy, keep your tip down and at a 90* angle to the line. If it some still is that windy that it is holding the bait up, add a BB size split shot a few inches above the hook.
Ksam1234 reply :
On 10/11/2017 at 8:38 AM, geo g said:Floro takes a little more care on the spool when you use it. I spray it before starting the day and after the days over to recondition it. After every cast, before reeling back in, I will take a quick look at the reel to be sure there is no slack on the spool. If there is I will tighten up the slack. This all takes about a second of my time. I have been using this stuff so long I don't even think about it, its all automatic now. You take care of your line, and it will last you a long time.
What do you spray it with? Sorry I have so many questions
geo g reply :
Line spray like KVD's or any other line conditioner is good, but expensive for what you get. For years and from a suggestion from a member of this site, I now use an electric contact cleaner that is one third the price and every bit just as good. You can get it at Home Depot or Ace Hardware. Good for the line and keeps the reel smooth.
Sword of the Lord reply :
Everyone has their preference, but over the last couple of months I have personally reached the conclusion that straight fluoro is pointless. It messes up too easily and it takes a lot of care. So, so much easier to use it as a leader and get the same effect. No casting issues (because you're probably using mono or braid as a main line) and you don't have to take extra special care of it to keep it right. My opinion only.
geo g reply :
Nether braid or mono sink in water like floro, nether braid or mono are invisible under water, and then you have to deal with the knot that passes through your rod guide at the rod tip. Use whatever you want to use, if your happy with it that great, and just stay with it, but most pros have 3 or 4 rods on deck loaded with 100% floro. You just have to get used to it, and learn how to handle it without problems. It takes time, and experience to do that. !00% floro is just so much more sensitive, then connecting to mono. We all have our own preference, that's the American way.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
I routinely fish senkos 20-25 fow wacky rigged. I prefer braid for this use over fc due to stretch of fc there is a lot of stretch throwing 100 feet out 25 foot down. Hooksets are much easier with braid. If there are weeds to deal with braid will get through them with much less hassle while dragging the senko.
TOXIC reply :
Info from the factory is that a 5" Texas rigged weightless Senko has a sink rate of 1 foot per second. That's been the answer I have been told to give. My personal input: It will vary depending on line size due to tension on the water, wind, water temperature and exactly which color/flake combination you throw. But if you count down a senko in a known water depth, you will find the above rate is most common. Deepest I have personally caught a bass on a weightless senko: +-30ft.
IndianaOutdoors reply :
I have fished senkos on weighted swimbait hooks with some success. I found that if I keep a semi taught line it stayed horizontal on the fall and still had good action.
fishwizzard reply :
I have done a little fussing with lead wire wrapped on swimbait style hooks to get small plastics to sink a bit faster in current. It works and I have gotten small stickbaits to keep a horizontal fall, but it took some time at home with a bucket of water to find the right amount of lead for a specfic plastic.
Choporoz reply :
Before I came upon BR and learned about all the stuff I was doing 'wrong', I fished a Senko t-rigged with bullet weights for years. I don't think I've caught more fish per senko-fishing-hour since I learned that was verboten. Don't tell anyone, but sometimes I still do.
WRB reply :
There isn't a right or wrong way to bass fish because bass are very forgiving fish that strike a wide variety of lures and live critters, it's what makes our sport so interesting.
When asked I will give you my recommended presentations and techniques based on my experiences that may or may not help you catch bass. I call this sharing information and you can take it or leave it.
Tom
Raul reply :
How far will a senko sink ?
how far is the bottom ?
Choporoz reply :
No question, @WRB. Tom, I very much value your input here. My comment about senkos was typed with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek....except the trigging part...I do still do that at times 
WRB reply :
On 10/12/2017 at 12:56 AM, Choporoz said:No question, @WRB. Tom, I very much value your input here. My comment about senkos was typed with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek....except the trigging part...I do still do that at times
I thought your commit was good and everyone needs to step back and enjoy bass fishing however they want to. Tinkering with tackle and lures is a enjoyable part of fishing. I remember a bass fishing partner 45 years ago rigging a plastic worm wacky style and though that isn't going work but it did!
Tom
Ksam1234 reply :
On 10/12/2017 at 12:49 AM, WRB said:The isn't a right or wrong way to bass fish because bass are very forgiving fish that strike a wide variety of lures and live critters, it's what makes our sport so interesting.
When asked I will give you my recommended presentations and techniques based on my experiences that may or may not help you catch bass. I call this sharing information and you can take it or leave it.
Tom
And as always you have some good advice.
bigbill reply :
I use a c-rig with a 1/8oz brass bullet weight, with a brass clicker, a 24" leader with the senko rigged in a eagle claw 249w weedless hook wacky rigged( hook is in the middle of the senko so it flaps its ends as it floats down. I'm fishing ten feet of water.
On 10/12/2017 at 1:02 AM, WRB said:I thought your commit was good and everyone needs to step back and enjoy bass fishing however they want to. Tinkering with tackle and lures is a enjoyable part of fishing. I remember a bass fishing partner 45 years ago rigging a plastic worm wacky style and though that isn't going work but it did!
Tom
Remember in the 70's it was the split shot rig? We pulled some nice sized bass out of the weeds back then.
The Bassman reply :
Had mentioned in another topic about a friend's little girl fishing with us using a plastic worm gobbed live bait style. She caught fish! Sometimes I think we overthink. (BTW I fish senkos T-rigged w/bullet weight also.)
Comfortably Numb reply :
I use these for deeper suspended bass.
Lake Fork Tackle
Ksam1234 reply :
On 10/12/2017 at 8:17 PM, Comfortably Numb said:I use these for deeper suspended bass.
Lake Fork Tackle
That's pretty nice. I have never seen that before
Comfortably Numb reply :
sticks last forever and hookups are surprisingly good
BaitFinesse reply :
On 10/11/2017 at 8:18 AM, Fishing Rhino said:Methinks the deeper it goes, the faster it will fall. How do I reach that conclusion? It's really quite simple.
Water pressure increases with depth. Water pressure will compress the senko, reducing resistance and drag. Ergo, because the bait is smaller due to water pressure while the mass is unchanged, therefore, it will fall faster.
Of course, we will have to take into account that the deeper it goes the more line it has to "drag" to the bottom.
Does the compression of the senko offset the added drag of the line? I don't know. You'll have to ask someone smarter than me.
Pardon my silliness, I've been up too long. Left the house at three-thirty this morning and just got home. A long day on the water will do that to me.
Edit: Does anyone know if a senko will sink in salt water? I've really got to shower and go to bed.
I like your thnking but I think it would fall slower the deeper it went. If an increase in water pressure increases bouyant force then we would expect the senko sink more slowly as it reaches extreme depth, possibly even becoming neutrally bouyant.
Fishing Rhino reply :
On 10/13/2017 at 6:27 AM, BaitFinesse said:I like your thnking but I think it would fall slower the deeper it went. If an increase in water pressure increases bouyant force then we would expect the senko sink more slowly as it reaches extreme depth, possibly even becoming neutrally bouyant.
That would be correct if, and only if, water pressure was only applied to the bottom. But, you are on to something. Water pressure is generally equally distributed on the surface of an object that is immersed in water.
However, since the object is three dimensional, there will be more force exerted on the deepest parts of an object. Side pressure is neutral. But, since the bottom of the plastic bait is slightly deeper than the top of the bait a greater force will act on the bottom.
Think of a piece of wood floating on the surface, there is no downward force from the water on the top of the block of wood. But once an object sinks, that changes.
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What does buoyant force mean?
Fishing Rhino reply :
I somewhat disagree with the swimmer in the pool example. What does a swimmer do just before diving for an object on the bottom of a pool? He takes a deep breath and becomes buoyant, or more buoyant. Water resists the movement of any object.
Ever float on the water and exhale? What happens? You begin to sink. Take a breath before your nose and mouth are beneath the surface, and your body will float higher. Many drown because of panic. They start screaming and thrashing around which depletes the amount of air in the lungs, and they sink. If they'd just relax and take a deep breath, they would stay at the surface. Exhale quickly and take a deep breath. Then hold it for a bit. Then repeat the exhaling, inhaling technique.
Keep your lungs inflated and you'll float. Cause your lungs to contract by expelling the air, and you'll sink. People with less body fat may have trouble floating because muscle is more dense than fat.
Ksam1234 reply :
On 10/13/2017 at 8:21 AM, Fishing Rhino said:I somewhat disagree with the swimmer in the pool example. What does a swimmer do just before diving for an object on the bottom of a pool? He takes a deep breath and becomes buoyant, or more buoyant. Water resists the movement of any object.
Ever float on the water and exhale? What happens? You begin to sink. Take a breath before your nose and mouth are beneath the surface, and your body will float higher. Many drown because of panic. They start screaming and thrashing around which depletes the amount of air in the lungs, and they sink. If they'd just relax and take a deep breath, they would stay at the surface. Exhale quickly and take a deep breath. Then hold it for a bit. Then repeat the exhaling, inhaling technique.
Keep your lungs inflated and you'll float. Cause your lungs to contract by expelling the air, and you'll sink. People with less body fat may have trouble floating because muscle is more dense than fat.
So your saying stay fat and float ? Hah
BaitFinesse reply :
The small increase in water density on the bottom of the ocean would increase bouant force but the same pressure that brought the increase in density would compress the senko, reducing surface area and bouant force. Neat thought exercise. This has been a fun topic
Fishing Rhino reply :
On 10/13/2017 at 8:24 AM, Ksam1234 said:So your saying stay fat and float ? Hah
Yes, less fat requires more work to stay afloat.
".........
If an object has a greater density than water, it sinks. If it is less dense than water, it floats. Which type of body material—muscle or fat—had greater density than water and which had a lower density?
So, as it turns out, athletes with very little body fat might have to work harder to stay afloat in the water. To be healthy, our bodies need a balance of fat and muscle."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/muscle-versus-fat/
The size of the lungs is also a factor.
GrumpyOlPhartte reply :
Dang! After three years back in the sport, I just purchased my first three bags of 5” Yamasenko worms to try as the waters here in Massachusetts cool down. Not even sure if they’ll be a good fall fishing bait. Didn’t realize I’d need an engineering degree to use ‘em. I was just gonna start with a T-rig and mebbe a 1/0 wacky rig and see what happens. Now I gotta buy a scientific calculator? Sheesh! (Seriously - I think one of the best things about these forums is the wealth of info shared by you guys ... but at my skill level I’m afraid I’m gonna just heave ‘em out there and see what happens.)
flatcreek reply :
Mine stop sinking about the time I cross her eyes.Great baits..
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