Thoughts On Canoe Or Kayak 2025

Kpterry82 reply :

So I bought a Jon boat last summer and love it. But here in Jersey I'm limited to where I can take it. There's probably only 5 or 6 ramps in my area. So I've been thinking about also getting a kayak to take to some of those remote spots. But I did find a review on a meyers sports pal canoe that peaked my interest. Trying to decide between the two. I've never fished out of either so any insight would be great.

Goose52 reply :

(copied & edited from one of my posts in a similar thread a while back)

To determine whether you want to get a canoe or a kayak, you need to make a list of your needs, and then determine which craft is the better fit for you. Some of the factors to consider:

• Stabililty and standing capability (moving around, landing fish, another person or kids or dogs in the boat, standing to fish, etc.)

• Cargo/gear storage (how much stuff do you want to take)

• Inboard storage & handling (canoe) versus handling things in your lap or over the water (yak)

• Seating position (usually, but not always more upright seating in a canoe vs. legs-out in yak - have back problems?)

• Vessel weight (how much can you lift/transport)

• Transportability - to the water and possible portaging (do you have a truck, trailer, going to car-top, need to portage, etc.)

• Ease of paddling

• Will you want the capability to motor it?

• Manueverability

• Type of water (lakes, streams, white water, etc.)

• Number of people in the craft

• Stay mostly dry or don't mind getting a bit wet

• Length of voyage (couple hours or a couple days)

• Etc.

Once you answer those questions based on your own capabilities and needs, you'll come closer to chosing either a canoe, a yak, or a hybrid. All are great watercraft in their own ways, you just have to find the best fit for YOU.

I faced the same decision as you are tying to make now but I was open to all types of small watercraft from float tubes up to bass boats. The best solution for ME, was a heavily accessorized canoe. I only fish my local, small (1.5 to 201 acres), no-wake lakes. Some of these lakes don't have boat ramps. I needed something car-topable without a special rack, modular, very light weight, with as much capability as possible. I wanted stability so I could stand and fish all day, lots of inboard storage, motorized, and little to no maintenance. I didn't want to have to buy a truck or other tow vehicle, I didn't want to consume a garage bay or driveway space with a boat and trailer, didn't want high expense and high maintenance, and didn't want to use gasoline power. Taking everything into account, I ended up with a canoe, trolling motor, and outriggers for stability.

My canoe is a Radisson - very similar to the Sportspal:

Kpterry82 reply :

After seeing your setup I'm def leaning towards a canoe. That's awesome! I have lots of gear and would love to start taking my son along as soon as he's able to have an attention span longer then 10 minutes. Where do you store it? Did you make the outriggers yourself? Are they needed or did you just add them for insurance?

Fin Stalker reply :

Goose is correct in everything he said. You need to decide what will work best for you and one of the best ways to find that out is to demo as many as possible if you can. There are a couple of ways that can be done. 1. Find a local dealer that will let you demo a few or go to their demo day so that you can test several back to back. Although I do support my local shop I think the best way to check out several boats at once is to try to find a local kayak fishing club and see if they will let you tag along to one of their get togethers. There you can see how others have rigged their kayaks and see what may fit you. Buying a kayak or canoe is really pretty personal and what works for me may or may not work for you so do a little research before hand and answer the questions Goose put out there.

Goose52 reply :

On 2/2/2015 at 9:19 AM, Kpterry82 said:
After seeing your setup I'm def leaning towards a canoe. That's awesome! I have lots of gear and would love to start taking my son along as soon as he's able to have an attention span longer then 10 minutes. Where do you store it? Did you make the outriggers yourself? Are they needed or did you just add them for insurance?

Well, the possibility of taking your son with you answers one of the questions above.

I car top the canoe. Everything is modular and detachable. It takes less than 15 minutes to rig lakeside. The canoe and all the gear stores in a dolly that I built for it (my wife calls it the canoe hutch ). The outriggers are store-bought (Spring Creek Outfitters) but there are also lots of ways to make outriggers yourself. My canoe is only 12 feet (actually 11'6") long and I consider the outriggers mandatory since I stand nearly the entire time that I'm on the water. With a longer, heavier canoe, which usually translates to added stability, the outriggers would just be for insurance.

Turtle135 reply :

I fish lakes, rivers and tidal rivers, Here is my Wilderness Systems Ride 115. Stable enough to stand and fish due to the hull design. I think one of my favorite things about fishing from a kayak is that I can leave my office and be paddling on the local reservoir or the Upper Potomac River in under 60 minutes.

Kpterry82 reply :

Thanks guys! I guess I'm going to have to get out there and test some out as soon as this water softens up. I think for me though the canoe is the way to go. When I go down the list Goose put together it's seems like we have a lot of the same needs and wants. But I'd still like to test some kayaks because it seems like there are lots of yak enthusiasts on here. Thanks again.

Kpterry82 reply :

On 2/2/2015 at 11:52 AM, Turtle135 said:

I fish lakes, rivers and tidal rivers, Here is my Wilderness Systems Ride 115. Stable enough to stand and fish due to the hull design. I think one of my favorite things about fishing from a kayak is that I can leave my office and be paddling on the local reservoir or the Upper Potomac River in under 60 minutes.

Kpterry82 reply :

Nice ride! Do you do the majority of your fishing sitting or standing?

HoosierHawgs reply :

On 2/2/2015 at 11:52 AM, Turtle135 said:

I fish lakes, rivers and tidal rivers, Here is my Wilderness Systems Ride 115. Stable enough to stand and fish due to the hull design. I think one of my favorite things about fishing from a kayak is that I can leave my office and be paddling on the local reservoir or the Upper Potomac River in under 60 minutes.

What is the length of the 115?

buzzed bait reply :

On 2/2/2015 at 10:10 AM, Goose52 said:

Well, the possibility of taking your son with you answers one of the questions above.

I car top the canoe. Everything is modular and detachable. It takes less than 15 minutes to rig lakeside. The canoe and all the gear stores in a dolly that I built for it (my wife calls it the canoe hutch ). The outriggers are store-bought (Spring Creek Outfitters) but there are also lots of ways to make outriggers yourself. My canoe is only 12 feet (actually 11'6") long and I consider the outriggers mandatory since I stand nearly the entire time that I'm on the water. With a longer, heavier canoe, which usually translates to added stability, the outriggers would just be for insurance.

something is out of place there.... your garage is far too clean to be called a garage.

nice setup.

Turtle135 reply :

On 2/2/2015 at 8:21 PM, Kpterry82 said:
Nice ride! Do you do the majority of your fishing sitting or standing?

Thanks! The majority of the time I am sitting. That model seat in the Ride can be set in high position which gives me another 5 inches or so of elevation (enough to pitch jigs from a seated position). If conditions warrant however it is nice to stand and fish crankbaits and spinnerbaits (you can cast farther and manipulate the rod angle for the best presentation).

Turtle135 reply :

On 2/2/2015 at 9:31 PM, jakob1010 said:
What is the length of the 115?

The Ride 115 is 11.5 feet (and the longer Ride "135" is 13.5 feet long)

Darren. reply :

I'll chime in here, having done both, I prefer to fish

out of a hybrid kayak - which is part kayak and

part canoe.

Mine is a Native Watercraft Ultimate 12, the other

hybrid is made by Wilderness Systems and is the

Commander.

You can get the Ultimate in a longer version that

can easily take two people. You sit lower to the

water like a kayak, can still outfit it like a canoe

for the most part.

Here's mine (Been outfitted with new trolling motor

since this pic). I control my trolling motor with my

feet (direction), and have a control box for the

5/3 speed settings on my left hand next to my seat.

Felix77 reply :

I personally owned a canoe and could not stand it. Tippy and very clumsy to move around. I got the Ride 115x last year and loved it!

Choporoz reply :

I admit that I've never been in a good canoe (or fishing canoe, if there is such a thing.)...but I did rent a canoe to fish on a small lake on two different occasions. The first time was such a battle with the wind that I did little fishing. The second time it seemed like the wind was better so I tried it again. Turns out the 'marina' was on the leeward side and as soon as I hit open water, I was toast. I found a few sheltered shores to beat, but I was very tempted to beach the dang thing at the windward end and walk home. Fighting the wind alone in a canoe was not something I want to experience again.....ever.

Jim Mac reply :

I also use a kayak, the Nucanoe Frontier 12'. Stable and very versatile. What sold me on it was the square motor-ready transom, the track system allows the seats(1 or 2) to be placed where you want, and you can use any swivel seat(allowing 360 degree fishing). They sell 3 different height seat bases also, giving you many options.

Hanover_Yakker reply :

Whatever hull you choose should fit your fishing style - get some seat time, go to some demo days and take your time making your decision! Personally, I prefer the safety of a sit on top kayak hull, but your waters and fishing style/needs may dictate otherwise. Good luck and keep us posted on your ultimate decision! You could say that I'm a little biased towards Hobie, but I also have seat time in Natives, Ocean Kayaks, Wilderness Systems and Jacksons. Kayaks and canoes are awesome tools to get you closer to the fish!

Eccs reply :

Very Good video on the Sports Pal! Very in depth review of it. The reviewer is also from Jersey so he talks about how useful to take it to all the little ponds and lakes

A-Jay reply :

On 2/3/2015 at 1:27 AM, Choporoz said:
I admit that I've never been in a good canoe (or fishing canoe, if there is such a thing.)...but I did rent a canoe to fish on a small lake on two different occasions. The first time was such a battle with the wind that I did little fishing. The second time it seemed like the wind was better so I tried it again. Turns out the 'marina' was on the leeward side and as soon as I hit open water, I was toast. I found a few sheltered shores to beat, but I was very tempted to beach the dang thing at the windward end and walk home. Fighting the wind alone in a canoe was not something I want to experience again.....ever.

That may be because you have never been fishing with me.

And that is not an invite.

A-Jay

Choporoz reply :

Quite true I haven't. No invite?

I forgot to mention that I have fished from canoes with my wife on a few occasions and readily admit that handling a canoe in wind or current is FAR easier with two than it is alone.

A-Jay reply :

On 2/4/2015 at 1:44 AM, Choporoz said:

Quite true I haven't. No invite?

I forgot to mention that I have fished from canoes with my wife on a few occasions and readily admit that handling a canoe in wind or current is FAR easier with two than it is alone.

Nope

I was just having a little fun.

And the wind is always a challenge for any small craft.

A-Jay

Kpterry82 reply :

On 2/4/2015 at 1:33 AM, Eccs said:

Very Good video on the Sports Pal! Very in depth review of it. The reviewer is also from Jersey so he talks about how useful to take it to all the little ponds and lakes

This is the review I was talking about. I wasn't even thinking a canoe until I saw this. was just going to go with a kayak. But after everyone's replies I think I really need to try some out. I'm heading to the outdoor show in Harrisburg next week so hopefully I can get some more hands on info there.

Kpterry82 reply :

On 2/2/2015 at 11:57 PM, DarrenM said:

I'll chime in here, having done both, I prefer to fish

out of a hybrid kayak - which is part kayak and

part canoe.

Mine is a Native Watercraft Ultimate 12, the other

hybrid is made by Wilderness Systems and is the

Commander.

You can get the Ultimate in a longer version that

can easily take two people. You sit lower to the

water like a kayak, can still outfit it like a canoe

for the most part.

Here's mine (Been outfitted with new trolling motor

since this pic). I control my trolling motor with my

feet (direction), and have a control box for the

5/3 speed settings on my left hand next to my seat.

Another nice ride! I'm getting jealous over here hows the stability in that? I'm really hoping to do most of my fishing standing.

Darren. reply :

I stand quite often. And you can see in my avatar

that I sit up on the gunnels, as well. I have no

balance problems at all.

hoosierbass07 reply :

The hot thing right now are sit-on-top kayaks. I have a Ride 115 and love it but - it is heavy. When you pick a kayak or canoe make sure you factor in the weight of it and how you are going to transport it. If you can transport a sit-on-top and deal with the weight, I would recommend a sit-on-top. Also, the most important thing about kayaks is the seat! If you do buy a kayak make sure it has a very very good seat.

carlm01 reply :

post-45706-0-72039700-1423084488_thumb.j I have a seaeagle 285 pro , It's an inflatable , I love it it's lightweight has a swivel seat and a floor and can be rigged with some nice options ,I just added a Hummingbird Helix 5 SI/GPS Combo.. All done with scotty mounts and a 40# TM... Good luck with whatever you choose...

ClackerBuzz reply :

don't buy that meyers sports pal. like goose i have a Radisson canoe. it's airplane grade aluminum ie super thin. you can't take it into shallow streams or you will dent, puncture, jar loose the rivets...and even worse loosen the seam. a welded seam runs up the middle and there is a metal tracking piece over it. my canoe is leaking from that seam. it would take an aluminum welder, a whole lot of time to strip the inner ribs/foam, and a bunch of money to fix my leak. i just keep a huge bath towel in the back to ring out as my bilge pump. the cost/time/hassle is too much so i deal with it. i sold my second radisson (my lake only canoe) b/c the other one is sinking faster and faster.

if you get a canoe go with polyethylene material. i also have a sit in kayak and love it as well. its better on small streams bc it can handle the rocks. i prefer sit in b/c i also live in the north. i didn't like sit-on top kayaks in March and November b/c it's just too easy to splash cold water on myself.

i like to stand while i fish so i like being in the canoe much more. i also use a trolling motor with 2 batteries when on larger lakes and only my canoe can handle that

FrogFreak reply :

Try a wavewalk kayak, they're stable and fun to fish from. Wavewalk.com.

Raymurda reply :

SOT Kayak all day and twice on Sunday.

Dogmatic reply :

I own several small watercraft (2 canoes, (including a sportspal),2 kayaks(SOT), and a inflatable pontoon). I just bought 14' semi-vee jon boat that'll be the focus of my attention(decking out like a bass boat), but my favorite ride, the one I grabbed for most of the small water exploring I do, was the pontoon. But, you might want to check these canoes out (they should be in Harrisburg). http://www.riverridgecustomcanoes.com/main.html

If I was in the market now, I would definitely be checking out the hybrids, mainly because every once in awhile ya might want to take someone else along and the space in a canoe or hybrid is a big plus,also standing,and control of your craft while doing so, is really important.

MrM_vs_Wild reply :

I have been fishing from an Old Town Sportsman square back canoe for the last 2 years and its been perfect for me. I typically fish Pymatuning reservoir on the PA/Ohio border (yeah its a huge lake and even I've been surprised at what I could handle when the wind picked up and the rolling waves got larger). Either way, I don't use outriggers although I do have them, but I don't feel like it makes much of a difference in such a big canoe (15.5ft). My buddy and I stand up and fish from it all the time and we've never gone over. The only downside is that I can't really take it out when I'm by myself and I'm a pretty big guy. I think it weighs like 110 lbs.. just tough to manage getting it up onto the roof rack without damaging my vehicle. I also have a kayak that I will take out occasionally but I much prefer the canoe. I use a 45lb thrust trolling motor and take 2 batteries when I know I'll be moving around a lot. It moves slow, around 4 or 5 mph, which on a big lake like Pymatuning limits my ability to cover a lot of water, but for hitting specific area it has been really effective, especially when I go places the big boats can't get too. I also use this canoe to float the Youghiogheny, Allegheny, and Shenango rivers. I have been debating on getting something bigger, but honestly for the money you really can't beat this canoe. I think I paid 500 for it at Dicks brand new when they were having a spring sale. After watching Keepingitreelfishing's video on the sportspal I must say that I would probably recommend something like that over the old town just based on weight differential and ease of use. But if you don't want to deal with outriggers and want a big space to hold your gear then a canoe is definitely the way to go. You should PM keepingitreelfishing on youtube, hes pretty good about getting back to people and he lives in Jersey. Maybe he'll show you the ropes. Tight lines!

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