Fuel Treatment??? 2024
Justbass11 reply :
Ok so I am at the ramp talking to someone about boats and how the fishing was and he made a statement about not putting fuel treatment in the gas because it will ruin the engine??? Has anyone heard about this??? I thought that you wanted to treat your fuel to help save your outboard. Anyway thanks for your input.
jbmaine reply :
Never heard of fuel treatment ruining an engine, but have heard plenty of stories of old gas screwing one up. I have used Star- Tron in all my engines for years and never had a problem.
ww2farmer reply :
That person was full of it.
My motor has seen a steady diet of 1/2 a can of seafoam, once a month, for 10+ years (small 4 stroke motor,small gas tank) and it's fine. I don't always have easy access to non ethanol gas, and use the sea foam to deal with any potential moisture issues. During damp periods of weather, I will often use the whole can, and I make sure every time I gas up from Oct. - the end of the season, I have treated gas in the tank.
In fact the only time I did have issues was when I forgot to add sea foam before I put it away for the winter. The next spring, my motor ran like crap until I used up the non-treated gas, and could get some sea foam treated gas into the system.
flatcreek reply :
Yep, full of it.
WRB reply :
2 million people believe the world is flat.
Tom
NHBull reply :
The marinas on my lake all advetise adding startron or other additives to their gas.
38 Super Fan reply :
Like all anglers you meet at the ramp...he is full of crap. 
Log Catcher reply :
I always add fuel treatment in time I get gas in the the boat to stop ethanol problems. I am currently using Quickare fuel treatment made by Quicksilver. I found it at Walmart. I have never tried Sea foam.
Fishing Rhino reply :
On 4/22/2018 at 11:45 PM, 38 Super Fan said:Like all anglers you meet at the ramp...he is full of crap.
I'll have to remember that if I ever meet you at a ramp. 
grampa1114 reply :
On 4/22/2018 at 11:45 PM, 38 Super Fan said:Like all anglers you meet at the ramp...he is full of crap.
And just where, exactly, is this boat ramp you go to?
slonezp reply :
On 4/22/2018 at 11:45 PM, 38 Super Fan said:Like all anglers you meet at the ramp...he is full of crap.
I resemble that remark
Fishing Rhino reply :
On 4/23/2018 at 2:59 AM, grampa1114 said:And just where, exactly, is this boat ramp you go to?
On 4/23/2018 at 2:59 AM, grampa1114 said:And just where, exactly, is this boat ramp you go to?
Not to worry. We always use the valet parking services.
That and using a caterer makes for a nice day on the water.
Justbass11 reply :
I have been using “Quickare” by Mercury and have used sea foam before. What I didn’t know was that the world was flat....interesting
grampa1114 reply :
On 4/23/2018 at 4:12 AM, Fishing Rhino said:
Not to worry. We always use the valet parking services.
That and using a caterer makes for a nice day on the water.
And much less crap at the ramp.
All seriousness aside....Justbass11 the more "stuff" you put into your gas tank, the better your chances of developing clogs of materials that just don't mix together. So fish a lot and burn a lot of fresh gas and you'll be just fine.
RHuff reply :
I always use premium (or highest available octane) gas and seafoam in my Mercury 2-Stroke and it runs great.
NHBull reply :
Corn in the gas has been a life line to ailing marinas. In some it accounts for 30% of their business, especially if it was stored in their tanks over the winter. Newer mothers handle it better, but old ones, not so much. Still can’t believe we think it’s a good idea to run motors on a food sorce
gimruis reply :
Maybe he was talking about only using ethanol-free fuel? If that was the case, then a fuel treatment woudln't be necessary. I only use ethanol-free premium so there's no need to add fuel treatment.
boostr reply :
New motors or even older motors don't need it if your going thru tanks of fuel year round, but up north you want it when you store the boat for the winter.
tav reply :
been treating my 2 , 18 gal tanks but how much is to much? if you put more in the prescribed.
Goldstar225 reply :
I use only ethanol free gas and treat it with stabil. I'll occasionally run a can of seafoam to keep the carbs or injectors clean in my outboards and lawn equipment. I've been doing this routine for many, many years with no fuel related problems.
BigAngus752 reply :
On 4/22/2018 at 10:42 PM, WRB said:2 million people believe the world is flat.
Tom
This is true, though. Have you ever seen a map? Totally flat.
WRB reply :
On 8/6/2018 at 8:34 AM, BigAngus752 said:This is true, though. Have you ever seen a map? Totally flat.
2,000,001
TOXIC reply :
I have an engineer buddy who firmly believes that all additives are snake-oil. He studies all of the MSDS sheets and debunks every one including the most popular. With that being said, I still run Yamaha Ring Free to help with the carbon and Sta-bil when the boat is going to sit. Non corn gas is just not available to me and I run mid grade to help with detonation. Keeping in mind that if your fuel phase separates, there is no miracle in a can that can reverse that and you are going to have to get it out of your tank. Key is to not let that happen.
NHBull reply :
On 8/6/2018 at 9:25 PM, TOXIC said:I have an engineer buddy who firmly believes that all additives are snake-oil. He studies all of the MSDS sheets and debunks every one including the most popular. With that being said, I still run Yamaha Ring Free to help with the carbon and Sta-bil when the boat is going to sit. Non corn gas is just not available to me and I run mid grade to help with detonation. Keeping in mind that if your fuel phase separates, there is no miracle in a can that can reverse that and you are going to have to get it out of your tank. Key is to not let that happen.
And I can't understand for the life of my why fuel/water separators are not standard on new boats
TOXIC reply :
On 8/6/2018 at 9:30 PM, NHBull said:And I can't understand for the life of my why fuel/water separators are not standard on new boats
Depends on the motor. My Mercury had one built into the fuel system and was located on the side of the motor. Mercury specifically advises not to add any additional filters. My Yamaha has an oil filter size water seperator built into the fuel lines and mounted in the bilge. It's an annual change out. I am getting ready to go to Wisconsin on an annual fishing trip and just did the filter change on my motor. There was a little water in the separator (but not enough to set off the alarm) and one of the filters, so we did a fuel sample and it came out good.
NHBull reply :
My Honda has the same small one in the engine, but I added the big one on the advice of my mechanic
WRB reply :
The E fuel regulation is in effect but the supply of E fuel can't keep up demand. There is a high probability the gas station you frequent doesn't always have E fuel although the pump is labeled contains 15% or 10% in some states.
This leaves us a choice and the safe choice is to assume it's E fuel and add additives to our outboard engine fuel.
Tom
Slade House reply :
Seafoam is just snake oil , nuff said
Yakalong reply :
It's your boat but I use it, my mechanic recommends it so does mercury. I will take their advice over a guy at the boat ramp.
NHBull reply :
Marinas on my lake advertise that they pretreat their gas with start on or similar product. I guess that is how they justify 4.00/gal gas. ????
Goldstar225 reply :
On 8/7/2018 at 1:26 AM, Slade House said:Seafoam is just snake oil , nuff said
I was of the same mind years ago and was hesitant to try it. Many on the motorcycle forums I participated in at the time spoke highly of it. Based upon that I gave it a try. My personal experience is that it does work.
DogBone_384 reply :
I put Seafoam in all my dino-burners.
A++
Slade House reply :
On 8/8/2018 at 9:32 AM, Goldstar225 said:I was of the same mind years ago and was hesitant to try it. Many on the motorcycle forums I participated in at the time spoke highly of it. Based upon that I gave it a try. My personal experience is that it does work.
Sea Foam Motor Treatment will help:
THE BIG WORD HERE IS HELP SO IT
- HELPS Clean Injectors . -- NOPE
- HELPS Clean Carb Jets . ---IT DOES JACK TO CLEAN CARB JETS
- HELPS Clean Deposits . --- NOPE , DOESN'T CLEAN DEPOSITS ON THE THROTTLE BODY- NOBODY SAYS IN THEIR YOUTUBE VIDEO TITLED "How to clean your throttle body" spray some seafoam in there first, it helps clean things.
- HELPS Control Moisture in Fuel Systems . ---- you mean a water filter?
- HELPS Add Lubricity and Protection to Fuel - nope, fuel does that on its on
- HELPS Anti-corrosive . anti corrosive? fuel systems are made of things that gasoline will corrode
- HELPS Lube Upper Cylinders --- nope, and even if it did , how could you tell, and doesn't oil and gasoline already do that.
- HELPS Quiet Noisy Lifters-- this is BS, and very easily a placebo
- HELPS Stabilize Fuels for up to 2 Years
- HELPS Clean Passageways
- HELPS Liquefy Gum and Varnish
- HELPS De-Ice and Anti-Gel --- You mean seafoam is antifreeze? "Hey american airlines flight 427 we have to hold here while the ground crew sprays seafoam on the wings for deiicing procedure."" NOPE!!!
- HELPS Clean Intake Valves--- NOPE !!!!!!
- HELPS Clean Pistons . Phu*k NOPE!!
so sea foam is claims to help do all these things, when if you have ever actuallly hac to clean your carbs in an outboard (remember to take a engraving micro pen and label your cylinders) , completely clean the entire fuel system (don't forget your zip ties), clean throttle bodies on crappy honda engines , etc etc then you know this stuff is snake oil.
Me personally i don't need products that help, i need products that do. Like JB weld (NOW IN bigger 16 oz tubes) . JB weld does, Dirtex does, bleach does, grease does, oil does, gasoline does, while SEA FOAM HELPS??!!?!??! if i need help in any of the things that sea foam claims to help, ill buy what i need to do that right, and do it right. its like shampoio and conditioner combined, it doesnt do a good job of either shampooing and or condtioning.
JLBBass reply :
On 8/28/2018 at 2:12 PM, Slade House said:Sea Foam Motor Treatment will help:
THE BIG WORD HERE IS HELP SO IT
- HELPS Clean Injectors . -- NOPE
- HELPS Clean Carb Jets . ---IT DOES JACK TO CLEAN CARB JETS
- HELPS Clean Deposits . --- NOPE , DOESN'T CLEAN DEPOSITS ON THE THROTTLE BODY- NOBODY SAYS IN THEIR YOUTUBE VIDEO TITLED "How to clean your throttle body" spray some seafoam in there first, it helps clean things.
- HELPS Control Moisture in Fuel Systems . ---- you mean a water filter?
- HELPS Add Lubricity and Protection to Fuel - nope, fuel does that on its on
- HELPS Anti-corrosive . anti corrosive? fuel systems are made of things that gasoline will corrode
- HELPS Lube Upper Cylinders --- nope, and even if it did , how could you tell, and doesn't oil and gasoline already do that.
- HELPS Quiet Noisy Lifters-- this is BS, and very easily a placebo
- HELPS Stabilize Fuels for up to 2 Years
- HELPS Clean Passageways
- HELPS Liquefy Gum and Varnish
- HELPS De-Ice and Anti-Gel --- You mean seafoam is antifreeze? "Hey american airlines flight 427 we have to hold here while the ground crew sprays seafoam on the wings for deiicing procedure."" NOPE!!!
- HELPS Clean Intake Valves--- NOPE !!!!!!
- HELPS Clean Pistons . Phu*k NOPE!!
so sea foam is claims to help do all these things, when if you have ever actuallly hac to clean your carbs in an outboard (remember to take a engraving micro pen and label your cylinders) , completely clean the entire fuel system (don't forget your zip ties), clean throttle bodies on crappy honda engines , etc etc then you know this stuff is snake oil.
Me personally i don't need products that help, i need products that do. Like JB weld (NOW IN bigger 16 oz tubes) . JB weld does, Dirtex does, bleach does, grease does, oil does, gasoline does, while SEA FOAM HELPS??!!?!??! if i need help in any of the things that sea foam claims to help, ill buy what i need to do that right, and do it right. its like shampoio and conditioner combined, it doesnt do a good job of either shampooing and or condtioning.
And "you" know all of this because???
Seafoam does everything it states! I've been using it for over 30 yrs!
Sam reply :
I use Marine Sta-Bil.
Follow directions as you can put too much in the tank and dilute the gas.
A-Jay reply :
On 8/29/2018 at 1:41 AM, Sam said:I use Marine Sta-Bil.
Follow directions as you can put too much in the tank and dilute the gas.
Yup
A-Jay
Glenn reply :
For me, it's 3 things:
1. Always use 92 octane non-ethanol gas
2. Always use 2x Marine Stabil
3. Always use 2x Yamaha Ring Free
I blew 2 power heads in 5 years before switching to this approach 10 years ago. No problems since.
Scott F reply :
On 8/29/2018 at 4:49 AM, Glenn said:For me, it's 3 things:
1. Always use 92 octane non-ethanol gas
I blew 2 power heads in 5 years before switching to this approach 10 years ago. No problems since.
Why use 92 octane gas? Doesn't Mercury say to use 87? Does your motor knock with 87 octane?
looking45 reply :
I use Stabil and QuickKleen every time I buy gas
Glenn reply :
On 8/29/2018 at 7:25 AM, Scott F said:Why use 92 octane gas? Doesn't Mercury say to use 87? Does your motor knock with 87 octane?
To beat people like you on the water. LOL 
I kid. Besides the power boost, I think it burns cleaner.
Scott F reply :
On 8/29/2018 at 9:54 AM, Glenn said:To beat people like you on the water. LOL
Seriously, 92 octane only has more anti-knock compounds than 87 and is only needed in high compression engines. It doesn't provide any power advantages, it just costs a lot more. I know that sometimes, the only ethanol free fuel available is 92 octane so you don't have another choice, but since all modern engines are designed to run on E10 I wondered if there was a reason you would choose the more expensive fuel.
Glenn reply :
Hope you know I'm joking with you.
My engine is an '03. Ethanol and it don't mix....ever. Yes, non-ethanol is usually only available in higher octans, but I've also noticed it starts and runs better with higher octane. Not sure if it's the non-ethanol or higher octane part, probably a little of both; but I did read that a non-ethanol version of the same octane has 10% more power than the 10% ethanol version.
Run whatever you like, and nobody will judge you....usually.
Fishing Rhino reply :
Nope, it doesn't work. Yes, it does work.
I have a lawn edger with a Briggs and Stratton motor. It used to be a bear to start after sitting all winter. The only way to get it started was to dump out all of the fuel and drain the carb, and refill with fresh gasoline.
So, one year I decided to try Stabil in the fuel. Since then, the lawn edger starts in the spring without having to get rid of the prior year's fuel and refill with fresh.
I also have it in our backup generator. It will start right up on fuel that is four or five years old. I'd have to check on the label to be sure, but I think one ounce of the Marine Stabil will treat ten gallons of gasoline. I started treating all the fuel I had in five gallon containers in the fall. What I did was to add the Stabil to all the portable storage jugs that contained gasoline. From what I read, gasoline begins to degrade in a few weeks, so I started treating the fuel for the lawn mowers, lawn edger, chain saw, weed whacker, etc. Now I add it to the portable containers when I fill them.
Could be wrong, but I think the main thing that additives do is to protect the fuel lines from being degraded by ethanol.
Maggiesmaster reply :
The simple fact is this: 10% ethanol gas has a little over 1/2 gallon ethanol in a 6 gallon tank of fuel. You can’t add enough fuel additive to make a difference. To keep small engines running well, you have two choices: 1) use non-ethanol gas and change about every 6 months or 2) use ethanol gas and change the gas at least monthly. If you don’t believe this, just visit with a physical chemist....he’ll fill you in.
Way2slow reply :
I can see using one or the other, which I prefer SeaFoam, but think using both is overkill.
Actually, test have shown running high octane fuel in an 87 octane engines causes even more carbon because of the lower burn rate.
The main thing is to stick with top tier gasolines. If you don't, do a net search and educate yourself on Top Tier gas. I don't even run that other off brand crud in my lawn mowers.
gasolin
Many years back, the military ran test on fuels and additives because of the long intervals tactical vehicles and equipment would sit unused. Following those test, it was recommended to add SeaFoam, that it would keep the fuel usable for up to one year. I guess they decided since it was just snake oil, Seafoam needed this recommendation to sell it. I would never run year old gas in my outboard no matter what additive was in it.
Goldstar225 reply :
On 8/28/2018 at 2:12 PM, Slade House said:Sea Foam Motor Treatment will help:
THE BIG WORD HERE IS HELP SO IT
- HELPS Clean Injectors . -- NOPE
- HELPS Clean Carb Jets . ---IT DOES JACK TO CLEAN CARB JETS
- HELPS Clean Deposits . --- NOPE , DOESN'T CLEAN DEPOSITS ON THE THROTTLE BODY- NOBODY SAYS IN THEIR YOUTUBE VIDEO TITLED "How to clean your throttle body" spray some seafoam in there first, it helps clean things.
- HELPS Control Moisture in Fuel Systems . ---- you mean a water filter?
- HELPS Add Lubricity and Protection to Fuel - nope, fuel does that on its on
- HELPS Anti-corrosive . anti corrosive? fuel systems are made of things that gasoline will corrode
- HELPS Lube Upper Cylinders --- nope, and even if it did , how could you tell, and doesn't oil and gasoline already do that.
- HELPS Quiet Noisy Lifters-- this is BS, and very easily a placebo
- HELPS Stabilize Fuels for up to 2 Years
- HELPS Clean Passageways
- HELPS Liquefy Gum and Varnish
- HELPS De-Ice and Anti-Gel --- You mean seafoam is antifreeze? "Hey american airlines flight 427 we have to hold here while the ground crew sprays seafoam on the wings for deiicing procedure."" NOPE!!!
- HELPS Clean Intake Valves--- NOPE !!!!!!
- HELPS Clean Pistons . Phu*k NOPE!!
so sea foam is claims to help do all these things, when if you have ever actuallly hac to clean your carbs in an outboard (remember to take a engraving micro pen and label your cylinders) , completely clean the entire fuel system (don't forget your zip ties), clean throttle bodies on crappy honda engines , etc etc then you know this stuff is snake oil.
Me personally i don't need products that help, i need products that do. Like JB weld (NOW IN bigger 16 oz tubes) . JB weld does, Dirtex does, bleach does, grease does, oil does, gasoline does, while SEA FOAM HELPS??!!?!??! if i need help in any of the things that sea foam claims to help, ill buy what i need to do that right, and do it right. its like shampoio and conditioner combined, it doesnt do a good job of either shampooing and or condtioning.
I can't speak to each point but...
Yes it will clean throttle bodies, did so many times, carb jets too. You believe what you like. I know what I've experienced. Have a good day sir.
Slade House reply :
alright i will try the sea foam and the stabil in my engines again. see what it does. i hope i am wrong
fishnkamp reply :
Star Tron has been in use in my boat since I purchased it in 1020. Never been an issue. I did replace the factory fuel lines two years ago, for cheap insurance, and cut one open. It was fine inside so I was glad to see that.
Krux5506 reply :
When my parent's bought their cottage this crappy old Agway lawn tractor came with it that ran horribly. My Dad did some basic tune up stuff, still ran bad. He ended up running two cans of sea foam through it and it ran better and better with each treatment. Must be a crazy coincidence I guess if that stuff does nothing.
MickD reply :
It is amazing to me how we all "know" a lot less than we think we do.
I would look to my engine manufacturer for the answer to this question.
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